Post: #1

interesting view...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNEhmf2cH...r_embedded

Post: #2

"I got the phone number from a Ravens cheerleader, so..." --bragging--

Shuuut up. Everybody knows phone numbers are virtually pointless.

Post: #3

always amazes me to see fat guys in those bootcamps

guess it's easier to pay someone top $ to learn "magic pick up lines" than it is to go to a gym and lose some weight

Post: #4

(11-13-2010 04:34 AM)zanetti Wrote:  always amazes me to see fat guys in those bootcamps

The best game in the worlds not helping you if youre obese. Eat less run more.

Post: #5

(11-13-2010 01:35 AM)gringoed Wrote:  "I got the phone number from a Ravens cheerleader, so..." --bragging--

Shuuut up. Everybody knows phone numbers are virtually pointless.

Haha! That guy was just bragging about everything. People have said this before, but the good thing about Roosh's site is that you don't have to hear the stupid bragging stories. Like the guy in the video said "I have 15 [don't remember if that's the exact number] women waiting for me all around the world."

It's not magic having 15 women around the world that you could have sex with. Numbers don't mean anything and without a picture it's not really something worth bragging about. On the other hand, reading the escapades that went on in Tyler Durden's blog (which now seems to be closed/private, anybody know the situation behind this?), now those were interesting and worth bragging about!

Post: #6

(11-13-2010 02:21 PM)kerouac Wrote:  

(11-13-2010 01:35 AM)gringoed Wrote:  "I got the phone number from a Ravens cheerleader, so..." --bragging--

Shuuut up. Everybody knows phone numbers are virtually pointless.

On the other hand, reading the escapades that went on in Tyler Durden's blog (which now seems to be closed/private, anybody know the situation behind this?), now those were interesting and worth bragging about!

Can you link to his blog? He comes off as a really creepy dude to me but if hes getting it done then I tip my cap to him.

Post: #7

Boot camps are a waste of time and money. You are paying two thousand dollars to have some "PUA" (who has probably hooked up with ten girls in his whole lifetime) tell you about the book or materials he created and watch him go out for three nights in order to see him approach, get phone numbers and give you tips on how to pick up women (none of which you really need).


Don't buy into the scam fellas.

Ish

Post: #8

(11-14-2010 01:02 PM)IshGibbor Wrote:  Boot camps are a waste of time and money. You are paying two thousand dollars to have some "PUA" (who has probably hooked up with ten girls in his whole lifetime) tell you about the book or materials he created and watch him go out for three nights in order to see him approach, get phone numbers and give you tips on how to pick up women (none of which you really need).


Don't buy into the scam fellas.

Ish

What is the best way to learn the art of the pickup then?

Post: #9

(11-14-2010 06:56 AM)Jack Frost Wrote:  Can you link to his blog? He comes off as a really creepy dude to me but if hes getting it done then I tip my cap to him.

There are a few Tyler Durden's running around the pick up scene, but the one I was referring to is this one:
http://thedatingcroniclesoftylerd.blogspot.com/

not the more famous PUA coach

Post: #10

I went on a bootcamp about 3 1/2 yrs ago with one of the big PUA companies, which I had read incredibly good things about. Two words: never again. I lost some approach anxiety and got a few generic tips from the instructor. For just under £1000 that is a fucking shocking rip off.

I've come to the conclusion that a very large proportion of "MPUAs" or whatever they style themselves are complete bullshitters. Many are just slick marketers who take advantage of naive guys to earn a shitload of cash, even though most of them probably don't get laid more than the average guy. I like the no-bullshit attitude that Roosh has and it's only because of blogs like this that I haven't become disillusioned with the entire pickup movement. If I lived in the States I might have considered getting some coaching from Roosh, but ultimately the best way to improve is to practice and work fucking hard by YOURSELF.

Post: #11

(11-14-2010 01:31 PM)Badstuber Wrote:  

(11-14-2010 01:02 PM)IshGibbor Wrote:  Boot camps are a waste of time and money. You are paying two thousand dollars to have some "PUA" (who has probably hooked up with ten girls in his whole lifetime) tell you about the book or materials he created and watch him go out for three nights in order to see him approach, get phone numbers and give you tips on how to pick up women (none of which you really need).


Don't buy into the scam fellas.

Ish

What is the best way to learn the art of the pickup then?

On your own.

Post: #12

(11-14-2010 04:38 PM)alchemist Wrote:  I went on a bootcamp about 3 1/2 yrs ago with one of the big PUA companies, which I had read incredibly good things about. Two words: never again. I lost some approach anxiety and got a few generic tips from the instructor. For just under £1000 that is a fucking shocking rip off.

I've come to the conclusion that a very large proportion of "MPUAs" or whatever they style themselves are complete bullshitters. Many are just slick marketers who take advantage of naive guys to earn a shitload of cash, even though most of them probably don't get laid more than the average guy. I like the no-bullshit attitude that Roosh has and it's only because of blogs like this that I haven't become disillusioned with the entire pickup movement. If I lived in the States I might have considered getting some coaching from Roosh, but ultimately the best way to improve is to practice and work fucking hard by YOURSELF.

It takes some men a whole lifetime to realize what you have realized.

Men for thousands of years were getting laid just fine,there was no pick up, peacocking, 3 second rule or other nonsense. The problem is a man, who claims himself as an illusionist, created an analytical structured method to getting laid and has every sexual starved nerd under his illusion (did you catch that he is an illusionist?) that they need game to get laid and has sparked thousands of PUA's and MPUA's who are nothing more then reincarnations of himself and his methods(albeit in different forms) Yes, he is weird but Mystery is a genius, I don't deny that.

The truth is getting laid with lots of women is incredibly easy;however, learning how to is very very difficult. Most men attract a woman and get in a relationship with that one or they attract a few and then bow out through marriage. The majority of men in the world do not sleep with lots of women in their lifetimes. Intelligence, Ego and Profit are the reasons why the PUA industry exists today, selling the rock star fantasy to every insecure male in the hopes shelling out a bunch of products to be consumed by the public. PUA's purposely obfuscate the simple process of fucking to make it so complex in order to have more material to sell you. Is it any wonder why most self help guru's don't quit after one book. Ever wonder why Tony Robbins has a master SERIES, rather then one tape. Your insecurity about women creates the problem which they then exacerbate in order to suck your finances dry. It is the same crap they feed women to make them think that all they need is plastic surgery to make them look beautiful when in the end they are just externalizing the hatred they feel for themselves. Corporations do the same in selling their products with advertisements making you believe all you need to be cooler is the latest Android phone or an Armani suit.

The game is rigged.

It is harder to maintain good credit in America then it is to get laid.

Ish

Post: #13

I know a guy who signed up with Roosh. He felt that he more than got his money's worth. Keep in mind that a large part of that was because Roosh made him do tons of approaches. If your going to a bootcamp, and don't get forced into doing a lot of approaches, then be ready to possibly be entertained but not really advance. I can watch guys be smooth all day, just like I can read articles, but its going to do nothing for me without practice.

A good wing man will do the same thing. He'll put pressure on you to interact with women that you would otherwise might be too shy to approach.

Post: #14

(11-14-2010 06:50 PM)IshGibbor Wrote:  Men for thousands of years were getting laid just fine,there was no pick up, peacocking, 3 second rule or other nonsense.

Men in Eastern Europe right now are getting laid just fine, and vast majority of them does not have anything a Westerner would consider "game". They will likely never have any game at all as they do not need it. Same in Asia (with the only exception of China, which is related to really screwed male-female ratio).

Personally the more I travel, the more I'm getting convinced that the game as a mainstream is an invention of Western/American culture, and is only really applicable in the Western culture. And one of the main points of inventing the game is selling it. Outside the USA I see the game is only used by very few guys who target females well out of their league, either for fun or for profit. Everyone else does just fine without it.

Post: #15

(11-14-2010 06:53 PM)hydrogonian Wrote:  I know a guy who signed up with Roosh. He felt that he more than got his money's worth. Keep in mind that a large part of that was because Roosh made him do tons of approaches. If your going to a bootcamp, and don't get forced into doing a lot of approaches, then be ready to possibly be entertained but not really advance. I can watch guys be smooth all day, just like I can read articles, but its going to do nothing for me without practice.

Yeah, like I said, if I lived in the States, I would definitely have considered signing up with Roosh, precisely because his training seems to differ from most bullshit "bootcamps" in the following ways:
1) It is not ridiculously expensive, particularly for 1-on-1 training.
2) There is no marketing BS around it (e.g. "Sign up and you'll get laid - guaranteed!") He openly states that if you've never approached women before, you should expect to learn how to open and have short conversations - this is something realistic.
3) It seems like Roosh goes out of his way to help students, e.g. personalised email follow-ups. Most big PUA companies see guys as customers first and foremost.

Post: #16

My 2 Cents :

I think one should take a boot camp after learning game on their own, working hard in the field , Practice practice , Practice and get to atleat past the beginner level where you do not have any approach anxiety and very imp ANALYZE what you are doing wrong , Change shit up once in a while, your style of clothes, shoes, hairs , Facial hair and see what kind of responses you get.

When you start getting into a sticky... That's when I would like to use a professionals help....

In one of the earlier threads i asked the forum's opinion on Adam Lyon's workshop, read some of those responses as they can be helpful too.

/thread-1961-p...=bootcamps

After a lot of reasearch I decided on Roosh's workshop , Now on workshops Hands Down Roosh's is the best , Main reason it's not commercialized or only about making money, Roosh seriously had passion about Teaching, He was able to see through my game where I was making mistakes which would have taken me years to Fix.

We did close to 28 Approaches Day and Night Combined, He spent more time in the Field then promised, acted liked a Good Friend as wing man but tough on you to push you harder, I would recommend 1 on 1 time with him as other courses offer that at very high price.

Post: #17

Any time you can exploit someone for a profit it will happen.