Post: #1

I'm less than one year into taking the red pill. Personally I think I've come a long way in this year, but there are still times when the naivete in me comes through. Despite reading many many articles in the manosphere, Solomon's posts, Roissy/Heartiste's posts, and of course Roosh and the forum here, my ingrained nature is to still think that some girls can be good, caring and not sluts. Well, let's just say I got a reality check last night. I hope some of you remember this story and take it to heart as a lesson to not let your guard down, pay attention to warning signs, and come to accept the sad but true nature of our chromosomal counterparts. In fact this is not a woe is me thread by any means, but rather a story demonstrating that women are, sadly, who we thought they were.

I've been banging/seeing this girl for about 6 weeks now; however in no way was it an LTR, or even a potential LTR. Probably somewhere between a fuck buddy and a part-time girlfriend. Took me 3 dates to bang her, cute 20 year old girl from the midwest. Met her on OKC and contrary to the multitude of other dates that have shown up through OKC, she was considerably more attractive than her picture, and younger too (she stated she was 23).

Fast forward through these six weeks, she's doing everything a good LTR would do. Sex on demand, makes me food when I ask for it, is not a dud when we go out, is cool in general, doesn't ask for nights out or expensive dinners, takes a genuine interest in my work, and is just fun to be around. I spent $50 total on both of us prebang, and maybe $100 post bang, again total for both of us. She also dresses somewhat conservatively and has that type of face that doesn't scream slut. Objectively, what one would consider a "good" girl. Couple that with the fact that I'm burning out a bit, I let my guard down and became comfortable. I even considered doing a short overnighter somewhere because to be honest, taking a night off from drinking, smoking cigs and talking to cunty 6s...and going out of town to bang a 20yo for a weekend was very appealing. Plus, as a bit of a traditionalist if a girl is acting in a positive manner (and, as described above, she was), I don't mind rewarding her with positive reinforcement - be it a night out or what not.

So last night she came over per usual with her overnight bag. She asked me to plug in her phone for charging which I did. For those of you that have the Iphone you know that when you unplug it the screen turns on. Well I did that later in the night to put my phone in, and there is a picture text from some dude with his shirt off with words along the lines of "just a little tease for you." Now I've never inquired if she's banging other dudes nor did I want to, because frankly she wasn't my girlfriend and I am banging other girls anyway. The funny thing is pre-game I would have confronted her about it right there, she would have made up some excuse and I may or may not have believed it. However I have ingrained this Heartiste maxim: Maxim #11: Calling a girl out on her lie accomplishes nothing. So I let it go, we bang and pass out. So what if she's banging another guy.

I wake up in the middle of the night and start putting some random clues together in my head about her potential slutiness. My mind on overdrive, I think about all the things I've mistakenly overlooked:

- she's been in two threesomes before
- she sends me dirty text pics
- she's in art school
- she's told me I have cart blanche to do whatever I want to her in bed
- she drinks, does coke, is a party girl when she goes out
- masturbates in the passenger seat of my car while driving
- enjoys and is quite talented at giving head
- her friends are sluts
- questioned me numerous times if i'm banging other girls
- she has a small tattoo above her vag

Curiosity gets the best of me so I do some text snooping and basically find out that she is currently banging three other guys besides me. Pretty goddamn outrageous if you ask me. Remember, she is 20. It's one thing to jump from cock to cock in succession, it's a whole other thing to do the pussy pogo on a simultaneous basis. After digesting it for a bit and experiencing some modest disgust, I turned around put my arm around her and went to sleep smiling. Akin to one of those "aha" moments, I realized that despite how much I previously tried to adopt these tenets of game passed on by our elders, and here with specific relevance to the slutty nature of women, I had never really accepted them. Until now. Immediately I thought of another Heartiste maxim: Maxim #8: Always assume she is a slut. It helps kick the legs out from under the pedestal you will be tempted to put her on, and it is more often than not true. Well done Mr. Roissy.

Woke up the next morning, took a shower and got ready for work. She tried to have sex with me but I couldn't get it up, most likely because of what I had just learned and the expected subconscious (or in this case, conscious) effect it had on a proud male. Eventually I had her give me head and as I finished in her mouth, I looked at her puppy dog eyes with the content knowledge that you, my dear slut, are never going to get an ounce of effort out of me again. Enjoy your cock carousel and pray to god your eventual male suitor does not find out what I just did.

Post: #2

Well, she was on OKC.. and hot.. so she's probably a bit of a nympho as she needs internet to have enough guys around to satisfy her. But nicely written story.

Do you have a list of these maxims? I don't think they are listed anywhere easy to find on roissy/heariste's blog..

Post: #3

What did you expect from a girl like this?

Post: #4

Why do you care? The more sluts the better.

Post: #5

Well written post. I've experienced that feeling of slight sickness upon the realization of a particular girl's slutty nature. By now it's happened on enough occasions that it doesn't even phase me anymore. My delusions of women are just about 100% gone.

In your case it happened with a 20 year old, and quite frankly, that's what she SHOULD be doing. The sad reality is that her sisters in their late 20s and early 30s are very often doing the same thing.

You should consider yourself grateful to seeing the truth with open eyes and an enlightened spirit. Many men would react to this situation with petty jealousy or let their one-itis take over. This girl lets you do whatever you want to her and it sounds like she treats you well. Enjoy her for what she is.

Post: #6

Sluts only exist in your head.

You are doing nothing other than kicking yourself in the balls with this mind-set.

Post: #7

I didnt know what the signs of sluttiness were until maybe six months ago but once I read them I realized that all but one chick I've dated,fucked or been involved with qualified as a slut.Now that I know the signs I refuse to fall for the ol' bait n switch ever again.Now their ALL sluts in my eyes.It's just a matter of who's she sluttin' it up with?.?.?.

Post: #8

(11-29-2012 03:04 PM)Norset Wrote:  Well, she was on OKC.. and hot.. so she's probably a bit of a nympho as she needs internet to have enough guys around to satisfy her. But nicely written story.

Do you have a list of these maxims? I don't think they are listed anywhere easy to find on roissy/heariste's blog..

http://gameformarriage.blogspot.com/2011...axims.html

(11-29-2012 03:13 PM)Balkanite Wrote:  What did you expect from a girl like this?

My point was I was a bit blinded by the niceties of her actions to not really put it together that she was what she was.

(11-29-2012 03:16 PM)_GQ_ Wrote:  Why do you care? The more sluts the better.

Well a part of me wants to still think that the slut is the exception to the rule, and not the other way around. I realize that is an antiquated and now close to defunct viewpoint to have.

Trust me I love sluts. I was just upset moreso at myself for letting my guard down and potentially engaging in LTR type behavior with a female of such unscrupulous character.

(11-29-2012 03:21 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Well written post. I've experienced that feeling of slight sickness upon the realization of a particular girl's slutty nature. By now it's happened on enough occasions that it doesn't even phase me anymore. My delusions of women are just about 100% gone.

In your case it happened with a 20 year old, and quite frankly, that's what she SHOULD be doing. The sad reality is that her sisters in their late 20s and early 30s are very often doing the same thing.

You should consider yourself grateful to seeing the truth with open eyes and an enlightened spirit. Many men would react to this situation with petty jealousy or let their one-itis take over. This girl lets you do whatever you want to her and it sounds like she treats you well. Enjoy her for what she is.

I'm getting there. I've literally just been banging away since leaving the last LTR so the once in a while where I drift towards more than just a ONS or two or three bangs it is still new territory for me.

(11-29-2012 03:22 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  Sluts only exist in your head.

You are doing nothing other than kicking yourself in the balls with this mind-set.

I should never leave my head then. Not sure what you mean by your second sentence, I'm happy about what happened not the other way around.

Post: #9

This girl is a slut so all girls in the world are sluts?? That logic seems a little funny to me?

(11-29-2012 02:55 PM)slubu Wrote:  come to accept the sad but true nature of our chromosomal counterparts.

Women are sexual creatures! Why is this sad? To me, this is exciting! This is good news!

Imagine a world were women were prude and non sexual. THAT WOULD BE SAD!

Would you really be happier if women were more conservative?

(11-29-2012 02:55 PM)slubu Wrote:  women are, sadly, who we thought they were.

I don't know. If we thought they were sexual, and we get confirmation that they are sexual, why would that makes us sad?

I think the issue is that we thought they were something else. Many of us thought that women were these special little creatures that only have sex with 2-3 guys their whole life!

If you thought that, you are naive. You have been programmed by mainstream media and feminist culture to believe something that isn't true.

Whats makes guys sad is not the fact that getting pussy is easier then they previously imagined. What makes guys sad is the fact that their entire worldview gets shattered, they beleive the world is a certain way and then they find out they were wrong.

This is a big shock to most guys. They get mad and want to lash out.

Blame your parents, teachers, and older mentors for not telling you the truth.

Welcome to the real world - Women are human beings just like us! They think about cock, they fantasize about sex, they get horny, they want to fuck. They want to have fun just like us.

This doesn't depress me. This excites me.

(11-29-2012 02:55 PM)slubu Wrote:  - she's been in two threesomes before
- she sends me dirty text pics
- she's in art school
- she's told me I have cart blanche to do whatever I want to her in bed
- she drinks, does coke, is a party girl when she goes out
- masturbates in the passenger seat of my car while driving
- enjoys and is quite talented at giving head
- her friends are sluts
- questioned me numerous times if i'm banging other girls
- she has a small tattoo above her vag

How long have you known all of this? You knew she was a slut as soon as you saw that tattoo!!! Many signs here that you could have picked up on.

I don't see anything sad here. I see a 20yo college girl who moved out to LA from the midwest. She is having fun. She will eventually marry some guy and he will never know. I think this has been going on forever and it will go on forever.

Women are not any more special then us. We like to fuck, they like to fuck, that's reality.

If you are religious, blame the creator.

If you are an atheist, blame the culture.

If you are a scientist, blame evolution.

GIRLS ARE SLUTS! GO BANG THEM BEFORE YOU ARE OLD!

Post: #10

like you said, you ignored some strong signs, especially

- she's been in two threesomes before
- she drinks, does coke, is a party girl when she goes out
- her friends are sluts
- she has a small tattoo above her vag

Post: #11

Find em...Fuck em,(then wash dick thoroughly)...Forget em...That's my new motto...The crazy thing is I honestly don't care if a chick has slept or is currently sleeping around...Just don't lie to me about it which all sluts will do.

Post: #12

(11-29-2012 03:21 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  I've experienced that feeling of slight sickness upon the realization of a particular girl's slutty nature. By now it's happened on enough occasions that it doesn't even phase me anymore. My delusions of women are just about 100% gone.

Exactly! Thinking that women are not highly sexual is a "delusion"

If you think women are natually prude and non sexual, you are "delusional"

(11-29-2012 03:21 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  In your case it happened with a 20 year old, and quite frankly, that's what she SHOULD be doing.

I agree. This is what she should be doing. She is 20 years old and away at college. If she doesn't do it now, she will do it when she's older.

I don't think sexuality is a bad thing. Sexual experimentation is fun, and I think its important for a young person to do it.

(11-29-2012 03:21 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  You should consider yourself grateful to seeing the truth with open eyes and an enlightened spirit.

Yes, you now see the truth. It can be confusing at first but soon your anger will turn to joy.

This shit really is just like The Matrix!!!

(11-29-2012 03:21 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  This girl lets you do whatever you want to her and it sounds like she treats you well. Enjoy her for what she is.

For most of history, in many parts of the world, man has tried to make the womens vagina sacred. We worship the virgin, we protect the vagina with chastity belts, we make women cover up there faces and body so they don't distract men.

Are we still living in the fucking stone ages!!!

It's 2013! Girls wanna fuck!!!

Post: #13

@Gio, I agree with most everything you said. The last thing I want is conservative girls. I was simply pointing out that one should not assume a girl, who acts in a wholesome manner, is therefore a wholesome girl. I love sluts and in fact encourage girls to give it up as quickly as possible. However, her general attitude came across as that of a girl seeking to prepare herself as an LTR and when I found out what was going on it just made me realize I need to disengage from this thinking. I'm far from mad or angry, as I state in the intro paragraph that this is not a woe is me thread, and later on when I say I went to bed with a smile on my face.

@lurker, seriously what the hell is wrong with me. I should know better than that. Way better.

I guess some main points I'm trying to make is that 1) I'm not faulting her, I'm faulting myself for thinking otherwise; and 2) I'm not mad or upset really, I went to sleep with a smile on my face and just think people should be aware of appearances, since I was not. I love sluts just as much as the next guy (though I do feel 4 simultaneous cocks is a bit too much...)

Post: #14

HiFlo Maxim Uno: You can take the girl out of the whore, but you can't take the whore out of the girl.

Post: #15

(11-29-2012 04:05 PM)slubu Wrote:  I was simply pointing out that one should not assume a girl, who acts in a wholesome manner, is therefore a wholesome girl.

"Assume" = makes an "ass" of "u" and "me"

"Don't judge a book by its cover"

And, especially don't ever judge a women by her outward appearance or presentation. They are masters of deception.

The biggest whores often look like church girls.

The world is full of con artists! (male and female)

Post: #16

(11-29-2012 04:09 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(11-29-2012 04:05 PM)slubu Wrote:  I was simply pointing out that one should not assume a girl, who acts in a wholesome manner, is therefore a wholesome girl.

"Don't judge a book by its cover"

And, especially don't ever judge a women by her outward appearance or presentation. They are masters of deception.

The biggest whores often look like church girls.

The world is full of con artists! (male and female)

It's funny, by chance another member here happened to meet her one night we were out. His thoughts were the same: sweet and innocent. Also a large part of my tempered happiness is that I think this will help my game a lot in the near future - I'll just assume every girl wants to bang nonstop. It's basically what you've been preaching.

Post: #17

(11-29-2012 04:13 PM)slubu Wrote:  It's funny, by chance another member here happened to meet her one night we were out. His thoughts were the same: sweet and innocent.

Serial Killers and rapists often appear "sweet and innocent" also.

You guys are lucky you didn't invest with Bernie Madoff!

(11-29-2012 04:13 PM)slubu Wrote:  I think this will help my game a lot in the near future - I'll just assume every girl wants to bang nonstop.

Yes, this new reality based mindset will help you.

Btw, I love your new signature!

Post: #18

Sales rule #1. Assume everyone is the same

She could have tattoos and be a goodie goodie.

She could go to church everyday after she sleeps with you and is cheating on her husband. At church you would never know.

She could be wealthy but into tantric sex.

Assume everything is yours and eventually it will be.

I think this is a HUGE win for you. Now you have 0 excuse not have any anxiety when day gaming, for all you know that girl at the grocery store is a stripper. You never know.

Post: #19

As soon as I saw that tattoo above her pussy, I would have assumed that she was a porn star!

Post: #20

(11-29-2012 04:05 PM)slubu Wrote:  I guess some main points I'm trying to make is that 1) I'm not faulting her, I'm faulting myself for thinking otherwise; and 2) I'm not mad or upset really, I went to sleep with a smile on my face and just think people should be aware of appearances, since I was not. I love sluts just as much as the next guy (though I do feel 4 simultaneous cocks is a bit too much...)

At various points you can step back and realize, "Goddamn, my social programming was stronger than I previously imagined."

Slubu neither you or myself are dumb, in fact we're pretty damn smart guys. If anyone were to ever claim that we were drones or subject to conformist doctrine we'd probably laugh in their face.

But that's just what feminism and western culture has done. There are many others like us, good guys who are smart as hell that fell for The Big Scam.

Even though this 20 year old is a slut, she may very well want an LTR with you. In fact, I can almost guarantee it. She still gets giddy with all the attention she gets from these other guys. She gets high from the fucking and affection and attention. But somewhere in there, like all women, she will sniff out value. Game is a "value magnifier". Because of the way you've portrayed yourself to her, she sees you as high value and will want to LTR you. This is a high compliment: a girl in the midst of a cock carousel slowly coming to terms that she has a quality male on her hands and she has some decisions to make.

Unfortunately for her, and this is where the feminist solipsism comes into play, her value has hit rock bottom with YOU because of your recent discovery.

Post: #21

(11-29-2012 03:13 PM)Balkanite Wrote:  What did you expect from a girl like this?

(11-29-2012 03:16 PM)_GQ_ Wrote:  Why do you care? The more sluts the better.

(11-29-2012 03:22 PM)JJ Roberts Wrote:  Sluts only exist in your head.

You are doing nothing other than kicking yourself in the balls with this mind-set.

Why the cunty responses?

I wouldn't write off all women as sluts. Just that you never really know what you're dealing with.

Great writeup. Just want to make a clarification - a girl can, in theory at least, be a freak AND be loyal. She can be a cold fish in bed AND a cheating whore. There's probably a negative relationship between libido/freakiness and fidelity, but not always.

Post: #22

Did you not read my text messages? All girls are getting and sending these. Trust me! Next time you think you found otherwise go to the text thread and pencil her name in.

Post: #23

I have dated strippers, we would go out to dinner dressed nice and no one would ever suspect that she was working the pole the night before.

Nice, older, conservative people would talk to her and she would just charm their socks off!

My dad was a pimp. His hookers would go to the grocery store and no one would ever suspect that they were prostitutes!

"All the world's a stage" - Shakespeare

Post: #24

The hardest part of game is preventing yourself from getting comfortable. That's exactly what happened here. You state up front this isn't a woe onto me post but let's be honest here, you wouldn't have taken the time to a craft a well thought out story and analysis if you weren't emotionally invested on some level.

This investment is what clouded your judgment, or dare I say caused you to rationalize red flags she had away. You posted the list yourself. Your conclusion that all girls are sluts comes simply from experience, through one lens. If you want to achieve higher quality non-sluts, you have to get out of your element. Scratch online game and go places where it screens for this automatically. Today I number closed a hot 21 yr old law student in the library. Is she a sloot? Most likely. Is there a better chance she's not because I screened her beforehand and didn't meet her online? Probably.

Ive been where you are, ive overlooked tell tale bad behaviors and signs exhibited because of beauty and sexuality. I cut it off or let it naturally fade out before it comes toxic. I still get texts and emails from some which I can't answer because doing so will reactivate that investment rollercoaster.

Either do your best to detach yourself emotionally from these girls you become comfortable with, or screen better initially.

Post: #25

I can't speak for slubu obviously, but I would be at least as disenchanted as slubu is, were this to happen to me. Whatever way you slice it, a girl getting 4 dicks concurrently is gross. Add to that that he wasn't aware that it was going on, that she seemed like a nice sweet girl, that he grew to appreciate her (even if only as a 'part-time girlfriend') and then he finds out this.

One difference between Roissy and Roosh and mainstream PUAs, is that R&R don't preach this new agey bullshit that you have to respect whores, and see them as no worse or better than any other woman. As a man, you're free to have standards and judge a woman for being a whore. If she is, it doesn't preclude you from banging or even dating her. Just accept reality as it is, and don't whitewash yourself into getting cuckolded.