Post: #1

Goodfellas is one of my favorite movies and Henry Hill, as played by Ray Liotta, teaches some valuable lessons:

(WARNING PLOT SPOILERS)

(Feel free to correct details I got wrong as I am writing this off memory)

1. He gets dragged along on a double date with Joe Pesci's character and he is pissed to be there. He barely touches his food and doesn't make eye contact with the beautiful woman (Karen) who he is set up with on the date. Is Karen fed up with this arrogant jerk? Of course not. She is intrigued and fascinated.

2. Henry invites Karen on a second date and stands her up. Does she just give up, and say, "Oh well, this guy is an asshole"? Of course not. She drives down to find where he is shooting the shit with his friends and screams at him "Nobody stands me up." He laughs in her face and his friends rag on him a little bit, but he does promise to take her on a date.

3. Hill takes Karen on a date to the mob Italian restaurant where they treat him like royalty. He takes her through the back entrance and introduces him to the chefs, the guests, the owner - everyone. He shows his appreciation for the special treatment by tipping everyone - the doorman, the waiter, etc. Then, to Karen's surprise, the waiter grabs and sets a new table and right in front of the band for the two of them. She is impressed and curious about how he knows and is able to grease everyone in the restaurant. Does he say, "Oh well it's really cool, I am in the mob and I make $X amount of money and the other day my friends and I did this and blah blah blah blah."? Hell no! His answer is one word, "construction". She doesn't dare ask any more.

4. Karen's beta male friend, who she has known since high school, takes her on a car ride and crudely tries to make out with her. When she refuses, he leaves her in the parking lot and speeds off. Does Hill hug her and sob alongside her, saying "what a jerk, some people" blah blah blah. Hell no. He races in his car to her house and pistol whips the guy right in his driveway. He doesn't say another word about it. He doesn't have to.

5. When Henry gets married to Karen, Karen's mother is concerned that he is staying out all night and up to no good. At first, Karen and Henry live with her parents. So he finally comes home early one morning after a night out and Karen's mother starts screaming nonsense at him. Karen is saying "No, Mom, stop." She knows better than to step on an alpha male's toes. Does Hill apologize and placate the mother and hug it out with the three of them, maybe even sobbing and promising to change his ways? Hell no. He just mumbles Jesus Christ, or something to that effect, and turns directly around and leaves.

6. When Hill starts pushing cocaine, he is screwing the girls who cut the drugs for him. Karen is so in love with him and devoted to him that she curses the bitches out and confronts them, rather than dare confront him.

7. When Karen steps out of line, Hill lets her know by displaying his righteous anger. He is not afraid of his wife even when she is totally fed up and points a gun at him. He talks her down from the ledge and lets her know she messed up.

8. Is getting married worth it? Henry and Karen are left penniless when Karen panics and flushes tens of thousands of dollars down the toilet. Henry and Karen separate and she gets custody of the children. I can't say I would blame Karen, though, as Henry took the ultimate gamble by selling drugs and was left penniless, a federal informant, and some "schnook" living in suburbia in the witness protection program.

Post: #2

Good movie. But it glamorizes things from the perspective of Henry Hill. He was never a made man. He was just a fuck-up and a rat, not a role model.

Your broader point is well-taken: women can be attracted to criminals and losers with game. I don't think the original poster is the DC blogger Rookie.

Post: #3

(11-10-2012 05:37 PM)TheRookie Wrote:  Goodfellas is one of my favorite movies and Henry Hill, as played by Ray Liotta, teaches some valuable lessons:

(WARNING PLOT SPOILERS)

(Feel free to correct details I got wrong as I am writing this off memory)

1. He gets dragged along on a double date with Joe Pesci's character and he is pissed to be there. He barely touches his food and doesn't make eye contact with the beautiful woman (Karen) who he is set up with on the date. Is Karen fed up with this arrogant jerk? Of course not. She is intrigued and fascinated.

2. Henry invites Karen on a second date and stands her up. Does she just give up, and say, "Oh well, this guy is an asshole"? Of course not. She drives down to find where he is shooting the shit with his friends and screams at him "Nobody stands me up." He laughs in her face and his friends rag on him a little bit, but he does promise to take her on a date.

3. Hill takes Karen on a date to the mob Italian restaurant where they treat him like royalty. He takes her through the back entrance and introduces him to the chefs, the guests, the owner - everyone. He shows his appreciation for the special treatment by tipping everyone - the doorman, the waiter, etc. Then, to Karen's surprise, the waiter grabs and sets a new table and right in front of the band for the two of them. She is impressed and curious about how he knows and is able to grease everyone in the restaurant. Does he say, "Oh well it's really cool, I am in the mob and I make $X amount of money and the other day my friends and I did this and blah blah blah blah."? Hell no! His answer is one word, "construction". She doesn't dare ask any more.

4. Karen's beta male friend, who she has known since high school, takes her on a car ride and crudely tries to make out with her. When she refuses, he leaves her in the parking lot and speeds off. Does Hill hug her and sob alongside her, saying "what a jerk, some people" blah blah blah. Hell no. He races in his car to her house and pistol whips the guy right in his driveway. He doesn't say another word about it. He doesn't have to.

5. When Henry gets married to Karen, Karen's mother is concerned that he is staying out all night and up to no good. At first, Karen and Henry live with her parents. So he finally comes home early one morning after a night out and Karen's mother starts screaming nonsense at him. Karen is saying "No, Mom, stop." She knows better than to step on an alpha male's toes. Does Hill apologize and placate the mother and hug it out with the three of them, maybe even sobbing and promising to change his ways? Hell no. He just mumbles Jesus Christ, or something to that effect, and turns directly around and leaves.

6. When Hill starts pushing cocaine, he is screwing the girls who cut the drugs for him. Karen is so in love with him and devoted to him that she curses the bitches out and confronts them, rather than dare confront him.

7. When Karen steps out of line, Hill lets her know by displaying his righteous anger. He is not afraid of his wife even when she is totally fed up and points a gun at him. He talks her down from the ledge and lets her know she messed up.

8. Is getting married worth it? Henry and Karen are left penniless when Karen panics and flushes tens of thousands of dollars down the toilet. Henry and Karen separate and she gets custody of the children. I can't say I would blame Karen, though, as Henry took the ultimate gamble by selling drugs and was left penniless, a federal informant, and some "schnook" living in suburbia in the witness protection program.

Number 3 is where he loses his alpha self. To spend about 500 dolllars on a date for a good looking woman is crap....especially in those days.

Post: #4

Great flick. But Hill was, by most standards, a loser and a rat. Is he still hiding out in Seattle? He used to occasionally show up on The Howard Stern Show some years back. I think I still like "Casino" a bit more.

Post: #5

I'm sorry but I think the title suggests that we have sex with intellectual men.

Post: #6

Post: #7

(11-10-2012 08:18 PM)CMan0928 Wrote:  I think I still like "Casino" a bit more.

This.

Post: #8

(11-10-2012 09:17 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

(11-10-2012 08:18 PM)CMan0928 Wrote:  I think I still like "Casino" a bit more.

This.

When they beat Nicky and his brother nearly to death with bats and them buried them alive I cringed. Amazing flick.

Post: #9

(11-11-2012 12:38 AM)CMan0928 Wrote:  

(11-10-2012 09:17 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

(11-10-2012 08:18 PM)CMan0928 Wrote:  I think I still like "Casino" a bit more.

This.

When they beat Nicky and his brother nearly to death with bats and them buried them alive I cringed. Amazing flick.

Post: #10

(11-11-2012 12:38 AM)CMan0928 Wrote:  

(11-10-2012 09:17 PM)Enigma Wrote:  [quote='CMan0928' pid='305799' dateline='1352596690']
I think I still like "Casino" a bit more.

This.

Glad I'm not the only one. I usually get odd looks when I've said that in the past.

Post: #11

(11-11-2012 12:40 AM)CMan0928 Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 12:38 AM)CMan0928 Wrote:  

(11-10-2012 09:17 PM)Enigma Wrote:  [quote='CMan0928' pid='305799' dateline='1352596690']
I think I still like "Casino" a bit more.

This.

Glad I'm not the only one. I usually get odd looks when I've said that in the past.

Casino is good but NO WAY is it better than Good Fellas. Scorcese would say the same.

Post: #12

Agree with few of the posters; definitely like Casino more than Goodfellas. Both are good movies but these are movies, it comes down to personal preferences, can't really argue over which is better since both are good movies directed by Scorsese.

Post: #13

(11-11-2012 01:17 AM)TheSlayer Wrote:  Agree with few of the posters; definitely like Casino more than Goodfellas. Both are good movies but these are movies, it comes down to personal preferences, can't really argue over which is better since both are good movies directed by Scorsese.

I didnt buy Robert de Niro playing the Jew running the mob´s casino. IMO he is way too Italian to pull that off well.
Now as the half Irish Jimmy in Good Fellas his performance was classic.

Post: #14

(11-10-2012 06:11 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-10-2012 05:37 PM)TheRookie Wrote:  Goodfellas is one of my favorite movies and Henry Hill, as played by Ray Liotta, teaches some valuable lessons:

(WARNING PLOT SPOILERS)

(Feel free to correct details I got wrong as I am writing this off memory)

1. He gets dragged along on a double date with Joe Pesci's character and he is pissed to be there. He barely touches his food and doesn't make eye contact with the beautiful woman (Karen) who he is set up with on the date. Is Karen fed up with this arrogant jerk? Of course not. She is intrigued and fascinated.

2. Henry invites Karen on a second date and stands her up. Does she just give up, and say, "Oh well, this guy is an asshole"? Of course not. She drives down to find where he is shooting the shit with his friends and screams at him "Nobody stands me up." He laughs in her face and his friends rag on him a little bit, but he does promise to take her on a date.

3. Hill takes Karen on a date to the mob Italian restaurant where they treat him like royalty. He takes her through the back entrance and introduces him to the chefs, the guests, the owner - everyone. He shows his appreciation for the special treatment by tipping everyone - the doorman, the waiter, etc. Then, to Karen's surprise, the waiter grabs and sets a new table and right in front of the band for the two of them. She is impressed and curious about how he knows and is able to grease everyone in the restaurant. Does he say, "Oh well it's really cool, I am in the mob and I make $X amount of money and the other day my friends and I did this and blah blah blah blah."? Hell no! His answer is one word, "construction". She doesn't dare ask any more.

4. Karen's beta male friend, who she has known since high school, takes her on a car ride and crudely tries to make out with her. When she refuses, he leaves her in the parking lot and speeds off. Does Hill hug her and sob alongside her, saying "what a jerk, some people" blah blah blah. Hell no. He races in his car to her house and pistol whips the guy right in his driveway. He doesn't say another word about it. He doesn't have to.

5. When Henry gets married to Karen, Karen's mother is concerned that he is staying out all night and up to no good. At first, Karen and Henry live with her parents. So he finally comes home early one morning after a night out and Karen's mother starts screaming nonsense at him. Karen is saying "No, Mom, stop." She knows better than to step on an alpha male's toes. Does Hill apologize and placate the mother and hug it out with the three of them, maybe even sobbing and promising to change his ways? Hell no. He just mumbles Jesus Christ, or something to that effect, and turns directly around and leaves.

6. When Hill starts pushing cocaine, he is screwing the girls who cut the drugs for him. Karen is so in love with him and devoted to him that she curses the bitches out and confronts them, rather than dare confront him.

7. When Karen steps out of line, Hill lets her know by displaying his righteous anger. He is not afraid of his wife even when she is totally fed up and points a gun at him. He talks her down from the ledge and lets her know she messed up.

8. Is getting married worth it? Henry and Karen are left penniless when Karen panics and flushes tens of thousands of dollars down the toilet. Henry and Karen separate and she gets custody of the children. I can't say I would blame Karen, though, as Henry took the ultimate gamble by selling drugs and was left penniless, a federal informant, and some "schnook" living in suburbia in the witness protection program.

Number 3 is where he loses his alpha self. To spend about 500 dolllars on a date for a good looking woman is crap....especially in those days.

Number 3 was less about impressing her, and more about that just being the way wiseguys took care of business. You're breaking off all those different guys because of the respect they show you. You're paying them because they're letting you in the back door and setting up that table in front for you. If it had just been the fellas out, instead of taking out a chick, the would have still hooked all of those guys up.

Post: #15

(11-11-2012 01:33 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(11-10-2012 06:11 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-10-2012 05:37 PM)TheRookie Wrote:  Goodfellas is one of my favorite movies and Henry Hill, as played by Ray Liotta, teaches some valuable lessons:

(WARNING PLOT SPOILERS)

(Feel free to correct details I got wrong as I am writing this off memory)

1. He gets dragged along on a double date with Joe Pesci's character and he is pissed to be there. He barely touches his food and doesn't make eye contact with the beautiful woman (Karen) who he is set up with on the date. Is Karen fed up with this arrogant jerk? Of course not. She is intrigued and fascinated.

2. Henry invites Karen on a second date and stands her up. Does she just give up, and say, "Oh well, this guy is an asshole"? Of course not. She drives down to find where he is shooting the shit with his friends and screams at him "Nobody stands me up." He laughs in her face and his friends rag on him a little bit, but he does promise to take her on a date.

3. Hill takes Karen on a date to the mob Italian restaurant where they treat him like royalty. He takes her through the back entrance and introduces him to the chefs, the guests, the owner - everyone. He shows his appreciation for the special treatment by tipping everyone - the doorman, the waiter, etc. Then, to Karen's surprise, the waiter grabs and sets a new table and right in front of the band for the two of them. She is impressed and curious about how he knows and is able to grease everyone in the restaurant. Does he say, "Oh well it's really cool, I am in the mob and I make $X amount of money and the other day my friends and I did this and blah blah blah blah."? Hell no! His answer is one word, "construction". She doesn't dare ask any more.

4. Karen's beta male friend, who she has known since high school, takes her on a car ride and crudely tries to make out with her. When she refuses, he leaves her in the parking lot and speeds off. Does Hill hug her and sob alongside her, saying "what a jerk, some people" blah blah blah. Hell no. He races in his car to her house and pistol whips the guy right in his driveway. He doesn't say another word about it. He doesn't have to.

5. When Henry gets married to Karen, Karen's mother is concerned that he is staying out all night and up to no good. At first, Karen and Henry live with her parents. So he finally comes home early one morning after a night out and Karen's mother starts screaming nonsense at him. Karen is saying "No, Mom, stop." She knows better than to step on an alpha male's toes. Does Hill apologize and placate the mother and hug it out with the three of them, maybe even sobbing and promising to change his ways? Hell no. He just mumbles Jesus Christ, or something to that effect, and turns directly around and leaves.

6. When Hill starts pushing cocaine, he is screwing the girls who cut the drugs for him. Karen is so in love with him and devoted to him that she curses the bitches out and confronts them, rather than dare confront him.

7. When Karen steps out of line, Hill lets her know by displaying his righteous anger. He is not afraid of his wife even when she is totally fed up and points a gun at him. He talks her down from the ledge and lets her know she messed up.

8. Is getting married worth it? Henry and Karen are left penniless when Karen panics and flushes tens of thousands of dollars down the toilet. Henry and Karen separate and she gets custody of the children. I can't say I would blame Karen, though, as Henry took the ultimate gamble by selling drugs and was left penniless, a federal informant, and some "schnook" living in suburbia in the witness protection program.

Number 3 is where he loses his alpha self. To spend about 500 dolllars on a date for a good looking woman is crap....especially in those days.

Number 3 was less about impressing her, and more about that just being the way wiseguys took care of business. You're breaking off all those different guys because of the respect they show you. You're paying them because they're letting you in the back door and setting up that table in front for you. If it had just been the fellas out, instead of taking out a chick, the would have still hooked all of those guys up.

Disagree with you Timoteo on this one. Mob guys didnt go to the Copa to hang out with other guys. They had their local bars and social clubs for that. Sure they spent money all the time, but it is clear in the movie that he was trying to impress her.

Post: #16

(11-10-2012 08:27 PM)Enfant_Terrible Wrote:  I'm sorry but I think the title suggests that we have sex with intellectual men.

I thought this thread was about rimming ray liotta.

Post: #17

I thought "Casino" was largely the same movie as "GoodFellas," set in a different city. Scorcese used the same music, and a lot of the same crew of actors. I like "Casino," but I can't say it was better than "GoodFellas."

Post: #18

(11-12-2012 02:32 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 01:33 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(11-10-2012 06:11 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-10-2012 05:37 PM)TheRookie Wrote:  Goodfellas is one of my favorite movies and Henry Hill, as played by Ray Liotta, teaches some valuable lessons:

(WARNING PLOT SPOILERS)

(Feel free to correct details I got wrong as I am writing this off memory)

1. He gets dragged along on a double date with Joe Pesci's character and he is pissed to be there. He barely touches his food and doesn't make eye contact with the beautiful woman (Karen) who he is set up with on the date. Is Karen fed up with this arrogant jerk? Of course not. She is intrigued and fascinated.

2. Henry invites Karen on a second date and stands her up. Does she just give up, and say, "Oh well, this guy is an asshole"? Of course not. She drives down to find where he is shooting the shit with his friends and screams at him "Nobody stands me up." He laughs in her face and his friends rag on him a little bit, but he does promise to take her on a date.

3. Hill takes Karen on a date to the mob Italian restaurant where they treat him like royalty. He takes her through the back entrance and introduces him to the chefs, the guests, the owner - everyone. He shows his appreciation for the special treatment by tipping everyone - the doorman, the waiter, etc. Then, to Karen's surprise, the waiter grabs and sets a new table and right in front of the band for the two of them. She is impressed and curious about how he knows and is able to grease everyone in the restaurant. Does he say, "Oh well it's really cool, I am in the mob and I make $X amount of money and the other day my friends and I did this and blah blah blah blah."? Hell no! His answer is one word, "construction". She doesn't dare ask any more.

4. Karen's beta male friend, who she has known since high school, takes her on a car ride and crudely tries to make out with her. When she refuses, he leaves her in the parking lot and speeds off. Does Hill hug her and sob alongside her, saying "what a jerk, some people" blah blah blah. Hell no. He races in his car to her house and pistol whips the guy right in his driveway. He doesn't say another word about it. He doesn't have to.

5. When Henry gets married to Karen, Karen's mother is concerned that he is staying out all night and up to no good. At first, Karen and Henry live with her parents. So he finally comes home early one morning after a night out and Karen's mother starts screaming nonsense at him. Karen is saying "No, Mom, stop." She knows better than to step on an alpha male's toes. Does Hill apologize and placate the mother and hug it out with the three of them, maybe even sobbing and promising to change his ways? Hell no. He just mumbles Jesus Christ, or something to that effect, and turns directly around and leaves.

6. When Hill starts pushing cocaine, he is screwing the girls who cut the drugs for him. Karen is so in love with him and devoted to him that she curses the bitches out and confronts them, rather than dare confront him.

7. When Karen steps out of line, Hill lets her know by displaying his righteous anger. He is not afraid of his wife even when she is totally fed up and points a gun at him. He talks her down from the ledge and lets her know she messed up.

8. Is getting married worth it? Henry and Karen are left penniless when Karen panics and flushes tens of thousands of dollars down the toilet. Henry and Karen separate and she gets custody of the children. I can't say I would blame Karen, though, as Henry took the ultimate gamble by selling drugs and was left penniless, a federal informant, and some "schnook" living in suburbia in the witness protection program.

Number 3 is where he loses his alpha self. To spend about 500 dolllars on a date for a good looking woman is crap....especially in those days.

Number 3 was less about impressing her, and more about that just being the way wiseguys took care of business. You're breaking off all those different guys because of the respect they show you. You're paying them because they're letting you in the back door and setting up that table in front for you. If it had just been the fellas out, instead of taking out a chick, the would have still hooked all of those guys up.

Disagree with you Timoteo on this one. Mob guys didnt go to the Copa to hang out with other guys. They had their local bars and social clubs for that. Sure they spent money all the time, but it is clear in the movie that he was trying to impress her.

I think you're applying our contemporary thinking to a different era, and a totally different class of men. It said a lot about a man to be able to show a woman a good time, so sure, he went first-class with her. If you remember, he also set up his side piece with an apartment and furnished it (only chumps do that now). That's how they rolled. But to say he somehow lost alpha cred by doing so is stretching it. He ran shit in his relationships with women. The money they shelled out was nothing to them, because they always knew they'd hustle for more. To those guys, NOT throwing money around made you suspect in the eyes of your peers.

Post: #19

(11-12-2012 01:32 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 02:32 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 01:33 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(11-10-2012 06:11 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-10-2012 05:37 PM)TheRookie Wrote:  Goodfellas is one of my favorite movies and Henry Hill, as played by Ray Liotta, teaches some valuable lessons:

(WARNING PLOT SPOILERS)

(Feel free to correct details I got wrong as I am writing this off memory)

1. He gets dragged along on a double date with Joe Pesci's character and he is pissed to be there. He barely touches his food and doesn't make eye contact with the beautiful woman (Karen) who he is set up with on the date. Is Karen fed up with this arrogant jerk? Of course not. She is intrigued and fascinated.

2. Henry invites Karen on a second date and stands her up. Does she just give up, and say, "Oh well, this guy is an asshole"? Of course not. She drives down to find where he is shooting the shit with his friends and screams at him "Nobody stands me up." He laughs in her face and his friends rag on him a little bit, but he does promise to take her on a date.

3. Hill takes Karen on a date to the mob Italian restaurant where they treat him like royalty. He takes her through the back entrance and introduces him to the chefs, the guests, the owner - everyone. He shows his appreciation for the special treatment by tipping everyone - the doorman, the waiter, etc. Then, to Karen's surprise, the waiter grabs and sets a new table and right in front of the band for the two of them. She is impressed and curious about how he knows and is able to grease everyone in the restaurant. Does he say, "Oh well it's really cool, I am in the mob and I make $X amount of money and the other day my friends and I did this and blah blah blah blah."? Hell no! His answer is one word, "construction". She doesn't dare ask any more.

4. Karen's beta male friend, who she has known since high school, takes her on a car ride and crudely tries to make out with her. When she refuses, he leaves her in the parking lot and speeds off. Does Hill hug her and sob alongside her, saying "what a jerk, some people" blah blah blah. Hell no. He races in his car to her house and pistol whips the guy right in his driveway. He doesn't say another word about it. He doesn't have to.

5. When Henry gets married to Karen, Karen's mother is concerned that he is staying out all night and up to no good. At first, Karen and Henry live with her parents. So he finally comes home early one morning after a night out and Karen's mother starts screaming nonsense at him. Karen is saying "No, Mom, stop." She knows better than to step on an alpha male's toes. Does Hill apologize and placate the mother and hug it out with the three of them, maybe even sobbing and promising to change his ways? Hell no. He just mumbles Jesus Christ, or something to that effect, and turns directly around and leaves.

6. When Hill starts pushing cocaine, he is screwing the girls who cut the drugs for him. Karen is so in love with him and devoted to him that she curses the bitches out and confronts them, rather than dare confront him.

7. When Karen steps out of line, Hill lets her know by displaying his righteous anger. He is not afraid of his wife even when she is totally fed up and points a gun at him. He talks her down from the ledge and lets her know she messed up.

8. Is getting married worth it? Henry and Karen are left penniless when Karen panics and flushes tens of thousands of dollars down the toilet. Henry and Karen separate and she gets custody of the children. I can't say I would blame Karen, though, as Henry took the ultimate gamble by selling drugs and was left penniless, a federal informant, and some "schnook" living in suburbia in the witness protection program.

Number 3 is where he loses his alpha self. To spend about 500 dolllars on a date for a good looking woman is crap....especially in those days.

Number 3 was less about impressing her, and more about that just being the way wiseguys took care of business. You're breaking off all those different guys because of the respect they show you. You're paying them because they're letting you in the back door and setting up that table in front for you. If it had just been the fellas out, instead of taking out a chick, the would have still hooked all of those guys up.

Disagree with you Timoteo on this one. Mob guys didnt go to the Copa to hang out with other guys. They had their local bars and social clubs for that. Sure they spent money all the time, but it is clear in the movie that he was trying to impress her.

I think you're applying our contemporary thinking to a different era, and a totally different class of men. It said a lot about a man to be able to show a woman a good time, so sure, he went first-class with her. If you remember, he also set up his side piece with an apartment and furnished it (only chumps do that now). That's how they rolled. But to say he somehow lost alpha cred by doing so is stretching it. He ran shit in his relationships with women. The money they shelled out was nothing to them, because they always knew they'd hustle for more. To those guys, NOT throwing money around made you suspect in the eyes of your peers.

You make it a good point Timoteo about it being a different era. Though Tommy (Joe Pesci) was definitely more alpha in the way he treated women. Remember, ¨he had one almost every night¨ and didnt seem to go out of his way to treat women great, except for maybe the jew broad he was trying to bang, at the beginning of the film. This while Henry was setting up a mistress in an apartment and having to deal all the shit from his wife Karen.
By the way, in real life Karen had an affair with the Capo Paulie while and after Henry was in jail. One of the real reasons Tommy was killed is that he tried to rape Karen and Paulie found out about it.

Post: #20

(11-12-2012 02:19 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 01:32 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 02:32 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 01:33 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(11-10-2012 06:11 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  Number 3 is where he loses his alpha self. To spend about 500 dolllars on a date for a good looking woman is crap....especially in those days.

Number 3 was less about impressing her, and more about that just being the way wiseguys took care of business. You're breaking off all those different guys because of the respect they show you. You're paying them because they're letting you in the back door and setting up that table in front for you. If it had just been the fellas out, instead of taking out a chick, the would have still hooked all of those guys up.

Disagree with you Timoteo on this one. Mob guys didnt go to the Copa to hang out with other guys. They had their local bars and social clubs for that. Sure they spent money all the time, but it is clear in the movie that he was trying to impress her.

I think you're applying our contemporary thinking to a different era, and a totally different class of men. It said a lot about a man to be able to show a woman a good time, so sure, he went first-class with her. If you remember, he also set up his side piece with an apartment and furnished it (only chumps do that now). That's how they rolled. But to say he somehow lost alpha cred by doing so is stretching it. He ran shit in his relationships with women. The money they shelled out was nothing to them, because they always knew they'd hustle for more. To those guys, NOT throwing money around made you suspect in the eyes of your peers.

You make it a good point Timoteo about it being a different era. Though Tommy (Joe Pesci) was definitely more alpha in the way he treated women. Remember, ¨he had one almost every night¨ and didnt seem to go out of his way to treat women great, except for maybe the jew broad he was trying to bang, at the beginning of the film. This while Henry was setting up a mistress in an apartment and having to deal all the shit from his wife Karen.
By the way, in real life Karen had an affair with the Capo Paulie while and after Henry was in jail. One of the real reasons Tommy was killed is that he tried to rape Karen and Paulie found out about it.

I actually think guys in the life thought being married made them more respectable and stable, while all of them had a "Goomah," a regular side girlfriend. I believe in the narration of the film by Henry, he said that Friday was for the wives, but Saturday night was for the girlfriends. Tommy was definitely the exception in that he wasn't married, and that may have also been part of the problem. He was too wild. Married guys had families to take care of, so they were a lot more careful and tried to stay under the radar.

Post: #21

(11-12-2012 10:41 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 02:19 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 01:32 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 02:32 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-11-2012 01:33 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  Number 3 was less about impressing her, and more about that just being the way wiseguys took care of business. You're breaking off all those different guys because of the respect they show you. You're paying them because they're letting you in the back door and setting up that table in front for you. If it had just been the fellas out, instead of taking out a chick, the would have still hooked all of those guys up.

Disagree with you Timoteo on this one. Mob guys didnt go to the Copa to hang out with other guys. They had their local bars and social clubs for that. Sure they spent money all the time, but it is clear in the movie that he was trying to impress her.

I think you're applying our contemporary thinking to a different era, and a totally different class of men. It said a lot about a man to be able to show a woman a good time, so sure, he went first-class with her. If you remember, he also set up his side piece with an apartment and furnished it (only chumps do that now). That's how they rolled. But to say he somehow lost alpha cred by doing so is stretching it. He ran shit in his relationships with women. The money they shelled out was nothing to them, because they always knew they'd hustle for more. To those guys, NOT throwing money around made you suspect in the eyes of your peers.

You make it a good point Timoteo about it being a different era. Though Tommy (Joe Pesci) was definitely more alpha in the way he treated women. Remember, ¨he had one almost every night¨ and didnt seem to go out of his way to treat women great, except for maybe the jew broad he was trying to bang, at the beginning of the film. This while Henry was setting up a mistress in an apartment and having to deal all the shit from his wife Karen.
By the way, in real life Karen had an affair with the Capo Paulie while and after Henry was in jail. One of the real reasons Tommy was killed is that he tried to rape Karen and Paulie found out about it.

I actually think guys in the life thought being married made them more respectable and stable, while all of them had a "Goomah," a regular side girlfriend. I believe in the narration of the film by Henry, he said that Friday was for the wives, but Saturday night was for the girlfriends. Tommy was definitely the exception in that he wasn't married, and that may have also been part of the problem. He was too wild. Married guys had families to take care of, so they were a lot more careful and tried to stay under the radar.

Tommy was nuts. Poor Billy Bats.

Post: #22

(11-12-2012 10:43 PM)CMan0928 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 10:41 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 02:19 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 01:32 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 02:32 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  Disagree with you Timoteo on this one. Mob guys didnt go to the Copa to hang out with other guys. They had their local bars and social clubs for that. Sure they spent money all the time, but it is clear in the movie that he was trying to impress her.

I think you're applying our contemporary thinking to a different era, and a totally different class of men. It said a lot about a man to be able to show a woman a good time, so sure, he went first-class with her. If you remember, he also set up his side piece with an apartment and furnished it (only chumps do that now). That's how they rolled. But to say he somehow lost alpha cred by doing so is stretching it. He ran shit in his relationships with women. The money they shelled out was nothing to them, because they always knew they'd hustle for more. To those guys, NOT throwing money around made you suspect in the eyes of your peers.

You make it a good point Timoteo about it being a different era. Though Tommy (Joe Pesci) was definitely more alpha in the way he treated women. Remember, ¨he had one almost every night¨ and didnt seem to go out of his way to treat women great, except for maybe the jew broad he was trying to bang, at the beginning of the film. This while Henry was setting up a mistress in an apartment and having to deal all the shit from his wife Karen.
By the way, in real life Karen had an affair with the Capo Paulie while and after Henry was in jail. One of the real reasons Tommy was killed is that he tried to rape Karen and Paulie found out about it.

I actually think guys in the life thought being married made them more respectable and stable, while all of them had a "Goomah," a regular side girlfriend. I believe in the narration of the film by Henry, he said that Friday was for the wives, but Saturday night was for the girlfriends. Tommy was definitely the exception in that he wasn't married, and that may have also been part of the problem. He was too wild. Married guys had families to take care of, so they were a lot more careful and tried to stay under the radar.

Tommy was nuts. Poor Billy Bats.

Remember, Paulie warned Henry about him when he first got out of jail. Tommy was a cowboy, always with something to prove. Bats was disrespectful to him, but the code is the code. You can't fuck with made guys. His temper always dictated his actions, and you simply can't handle business like that, especially in a situation where you can get whacked for any little thing.

Post: #23

(11-12-2012 10:48 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 10:43 PM)CMan0928 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 10:41 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 02:19 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 01:32 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  I think you're applying our contemporary thinking to a different era, and a totally different class of men. It said a lot about a man to be able to show a woman a good time, so sure, he went first-class with her. If you remember, he also set up his side piece with an apartment and furnished it (only chumps do that now). That's how they rolled. But to say he somehow lost alpha cred by doing so is stretching it. He ran shit in his relationships with women. The money they shelled out was nothing to them, because they always knew they'd hustle for more. To those guys, NOT throwing money around made you suspect in the eyes of your peers.

You make it a good point Timoteo about it being a different era. Though Tommy (Joe Pesci) was definitely more alpha in the way he treated women. Remember, ¨he had one almost every night¨ and didnt seem to go out of his way to treat women great, except for maybe the jew broad he was trying to bang, at the beginning of the film. This while Henry was setting up a mistress in an apartment and having to deal all the shit from his wife Karen.
By the way, in real life Karen had an affair with the Capo Paulie while and after Henry was in jail. One of the real reasons Tommy was killed is that he tried to rape Karen and Paulie found out about it.

I actually think guys in the life thought being married made them more respectable and stable, while all of them had a "Goomah," a regular side girlfriend. I believe in the narration of the film by Henry, he said that Friday was for the wives, but Saturday night was for the girlfriends. Tommy was definitely the exception in that he wasn't married, and that may have also been part of the problem. He was too wild. Married guys had families to take care of, so they were a lot more careful and tried to stay under the radar.

Tommy was nuts. Poor Billy Bats.

Remember, Paulie warned Henry about him when he first got out of jail. Tommy was a cowboy, always with something to prove. Bats was disrespectful to him, but the code is the code. You can't fuck with made guys. His temper always dictated his actions, and you simply can't handle business like that, especially in a situation where you can get whacked for any little thing.

Bats was a made guy, right? I gotta admit the first time I watched "Goodfellas" I thought maybe it would be forgotten over time and Tommy would get made and move on. Nope. Killing Morrie was what bothered me. That dude was hilarious. When he was at Henry's house and he started talking about what would eventually become the Lufthansa Heist and how he had been planning it for two years? Epic. I thought Morrie was gonna pull his dick out right then and there and beat off.

Post: #24

(11-12-2012 10:56 PM)CMan0928 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 10:48 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 10:43 PM)CMan0928 Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 10:41 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(11-12-2012 02:19 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  You make it a good point Timoteo about it being a different era. Though Tommy (Joe Pesci) was definitely more alpha in the way he treated women. Remember, ¨he had one almost every night¨ and didnt seem to go out of his way to treat women great, except for maybe the jew broad he was trying to bang, at the beginning of the film. This while Henry was setting up a mistress in an apartment and having to deal all the shit from his wife Karen.
By the way, in real life Karen had an affair with the Capo Paulie while and after Henry was in jail. One of the real reasons Tommy was killed is that he tried to rape Karen and Paulie found out about it.

I actually think guys in the life thought being married made them more respectable and stable, while all of them had a "Goomah," a regular side girlfriend. I believe in the narration of the film by Henry, he said that Friday was for the wives, but Saturday night was for the girlfriends. Tommy was definitely the exception in that he wasn't married, and that may have also been part of the problem. He was too wild. Married guys had families to take care of, so they were a lot more careful and tried to stay under the radar.

Tommy was nuts. Poor Billy Bats.

Remember, Paulie warned Henry about him when he first got out of jail. Tommy was a cowboy, always with something to prove. Bats was disrespectful to him, but the code is the code. You can't fuck with made guys. His temper always dictated his actions, and you simply can't handle business like that, especially in a situation where you can get whacked for any little thing.

Bats was a made guy, right? I gotta admit the first time I watched "Goodfellas" I thought maybe it would be forgotten over time and Tommy would get made and move on. Nope. Killing Morrie was what bothered me. That dude was hilarious. When he was at Henry's house and he started talking about what would eventually become the Lufthansa Heist and how he had been planning it for two years? Epic. I thought Morrie was gonna pull his dick out right then and there and beat off.

Yeah. Bats was made. It was kind of grimy the way Jimmy did Morrie. Yes, Morrie was a loudmouthed pest, but he may have shut up if he had gotten paid. There was no reason not to give him his money, but Jimmy simply didn't want to pay most of the guys that put in work on the job. He looked for an excuse to whack them all. Of course, the guys that went out and bought cars and furs after they were told to lay low and not make large purchases had it coming. Stacks also fucked up, so they REALLY had to do him..HA HA!

Post: #25

(11-10-2012 08:18 PM)CMan0928 Wrote:  Great flick. But Hill was, by most standards, a loser and a rat. Is he still hiding out in Seattle? He used to occasionally show up on The Howard Stern Show some years back. I think I still like "Casino" a bit more.

He died sometime this summer.