Post: #26

Just another example of how the greatest moves are often simple moves that just need a little style added to the technique.

Post: #27

(11-06-2012 09:51 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 03:43 AM)w00t Wrote:  Thats classic Mystery Method.

Yeah, I have never read Mystery Method so I don't know.

I sure there are differences.

Starting with:

Wearing a Custom Suit VS Eyeliner and fuzzy hats.

I am sure the differences don't stop there.

Wearing a suit falls under peacocking/DHV and is classic Mystery Method too. Actually in his early Fasteduction archives Mystery advocated wearing a suit as well. It was only later that he changed to his ridiculous outfits.

Post: #28

(11-07-2012 02:00 AM)w00t Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 09:51 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-06-2012 03:43 AM)w00t Wrote:  Thats classic Mystery Method.

Yeah, I have never read Mystery Method so I don't know.

I sure there are differences.

Starting with:

Wearing a Custom Suit VS Eyeliner and fuzzy hats.

I am sure the differences don't stop there.

Wearing a suit falls under peacocking/DHV and is classic Mystery Method too. Actually in his early Fasteduction archives Mystery advocated wearing a suit as well. It was only later that he changed to his ridiculous outfits.

Exactly,wearing a suit is just classic MM peacocking. The thing is that some confused peacocking with eye liner and top hats etc. because Mystery chose to wear that. However Mystery didn't advocate others necessarily doing that too,top hats and platform boots were just Mystery's personal taste in fashion but in exaggerated form.

Post: #29

I have done this at restaurant bars and outside smoking jays/cigs. Never approached a table and bust up a convo w/the dude. The dynamic of talking down to a sitting person, while they answer up to you is unsettling.

How do you swing the pulling up of a chair/sitting down? Break down the timing/method.

(11-04-2012 10:31 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(11-04-2012 10:19 PM)Menace Wrote:  G, isn't this move similar to what was advocated in Mystery Method and group tactics where you talk to the guy first before dealing with your target? Conceptually it sounds similar, although Mystery did not articulate in quite this way.

Could be. I have never read any Mystery Method stuff though.

(11-04-2012 10:22 PM)rationalize_this Wrote:  Spot on again. I'm all about efficiency, and this is another great pre-screening technique that is no contest.

I would add that style does play an important part. But lets face it, if you're out and you're not dressed to pull you are probably wasting your time. The way I play it, is a sort of networking/mutual interest card. Talk a little ship, but mostly hone in on some mutual interest (boating is big down here) and play down what you do, but not to the point where you're not DHVing the girls.

***Interests can be regionally specific. NYC= (travel, scotch, summer homes, the hamptons) MIA = (boating, fishing, travel, South America).
And for everyone out there that can't relate to any of this, just bullshit. Or plow the guy full of drinks until he can't stand and be a "gentleman" by taking the girls home.

Ha.

Exactly. You said it right, you want to hit the guy with kind of a "networking" vibe.

Potential biz. Money. Connections. Travel. Restaurants. The Good Life.

Quote:Or plow the guy full of drinks until he can't stand and be a "gentleman" by taking the girls home.

That is hilarious. And so true.

Sometimes you will find out that the guy had just met the girls earlier in the night.

He sometimes doesn't really have them on hook that hard.

On one of my recent swoops, this was the case.

I invited all of them back to my crib after bouncing two clubs at 5 am.

The guy actually got pissed at his girl and split my crib.

I brought one of the girls into my room for a tour, showed her my Custom Suits in my walk in closet and ended up swooping her standing up from behind in my walk in closet while her friend was chilling on the couch.

And I tried to kiss her no less than 20 times earlier in the night to no avail.

Really weird. But both girls were top notch beautiful.

Post: #30

NYC is a different story, something about this city just makes me want to roll solo. Hell I've cherry picked 3 Romanian girls off the street (/thread-14130-page-15.html) on my way to lunch and had them kissing each other (and me of course) in a club in meatpacking that night. I had to phone up an old college friend of mine to take one off my hands (trust me I was grateful that's why I can relate so well to this thread).

@Rationalize_this....was this spot "Catch," near the Gansevoort Hotel? Me and a friend tried to get in there on a Monday night in late October, and while we were waiting outside there was nothing but Russian-sounding accents around us. We chatted up a couple of Latvian girls outside the rope (we're tennis buffs, so we talked about Ernests Gulbis, a top tennis pro. Of course, one of them claimed to know him...HA HA!). I'm not sure if it was the night in question, or if that's the crowd that always hangs out there. The guy at the door was a dick, so we gave up after a while. The two Latvians didn't get in either.

Post: #31

(11-08-2012 12:34 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  NYC is a different story, something about this city just makes me want to roll solo. Hell I've cherry picked 3 Romanian girls off the street (/thread-14130-page-15.html) on my way to lunch and had them kissing each other (and me of course) in a club in meatpacking that night. I had to phone up an old college friend of mine to take one off my hands (trust me I was grateful that's why I can relate so well to this thread).

@Rationalize_this....was this spot "Catch," near the Gansevoort Hotel? Me and a friend tried to get in there on a Monday night in late October, and while we were waiting outside there was nothing but Russian-sounding accents around us. We chatted up a couple of Latvian girls outside the rope (we're tennis buffs, so we talked about Ernests Gulbis, a top tennis pro. Of course, one of them claimed to know him...HA HA!). I'm not sure if it was the night in question, or if that's the crowd that always hangs out there. The guy at the door was a dick, so we gave up after a while. The two Latvians didn't get in either.

You're a tennis fan? Ha I played professionally for awhile and that's part of how I learned so many languages, and have such a good circle full of connects down here. It also helps with the ladies, I don't even know how many times I've promised tennis "lessons". Gulbis is the man, I partied with him and Gasquet at the Winston Salem Open a few years back (Gasquet banged a fattie!).

Catch is great on Mondays, and you will most likely have too many Eastern European girls around you to handle, but this was at HLB. I was rooftop chilling at the Gvoort with the 2 Romanians and some promoter approached us saying there was a grand opening that night down the street and we were the "exact clientele" he was trying to attract. Rolled up there, coat checked, and had bottles all night top level VIP without dropping a dime. It was DJ Nick @ Nite I think. Kinda sucked that those two girls were staying with me, as the talent there was GREAT that night. You can't have it all though...

Doormen in NYC are straight dicks. I've found a few ways to combat this.
1) Go on slow nights and shoot the shit with the guy.
2) Dress to kill- good shit always happens
3) Always roll with MINIMUM two girls (for each guy, if its 3 guys you better have 9 girls)
4) Grease
5) Have a promoter on LOCK
6) Place like Lavo, Tao, Tenjune you can eat there and get "stamped", and then free entry into the club sin the line. Make a reservation, roll up there with girls or swoop some there, and just pregame at your table till top club time.

Post: #32

We actually only ended up there because I celeb friend of ours had a birthday party at the Dream Hotel penthouse, and did the after thing there. She texted that the door guy was even giving HER and her people a hard time, and she's VERY famous. Since we didn't get there with them, he was being extra-dickish. He told my boy something about them having to add $1,500 to their table (two more bottles, which we would have probably ordered anyway). She texted my boy that her assistant was coming up to try to get us in, but he never came out. I'm a native New Yorker, so I'm used to the door thing. I generally don't play that game, and only go to something at those kinds of night spots if I know I have a solid in, or as you stated, have plenty of female talent with me.

I am a major tennis fan. The Borg/McEnroe matches at Wimbledon in the late 70s got me turned on to the sport, and I've followed it ever since. When I first starting thing about travel many years ago, it was really more about seeing tennis tournaments - one of my goals to this day is to see a match at every Grand Slam (I live in Queens, so I've been to the US Open a couple of times). The French is probably the next one I'll hit, since I have a good hook-up there. I'd have a place to stay, and she used to work for the Federation (she said young Andre Agassi wasn't the nicest guy), and she also knows Yannick Noah. I've been to London a couple of times, but never during Wimbledon (the one I most want to see). My next trip I'd like to center it around getting out there and seeing a match, but I need to do the online lottery thing on their site. I think you can que up for tickets to the grounds also. I'd also like to see some of the other cool tour sites, like Dubai and Madrid. Now that I travel more with the idea of capturing flags, I can combine the two.

Post: #33

(11-08-2012 03:50 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  We actually only ended up there because I celeb friend of ours had a birthday party at the Dream Hotel penthouse, and did the after thing there. She texted that the door guy was even giving HER and her people a hard time, and she's VERY famous. Since we didn't get there with them, he was being extra-dickish. He told my boy something about them having to add $1,500 to their table (two more bottles, which we would have probably ordered anyway). She texted my boy that her assistant was coming up to try to get us in, but he never came out. I'm a native New Yorker, so I'm used to the door thing. I generally don't play that game, and only go to something at those kinds of night spots if I know I have a solid in, or as you stated, have plenty of female talent with me.

I am a major tennis fan. The Borg/McEnroe matches at Wimbledon in the late 70s got me turned on to the sport, and I've followed it ever since. When I first starting thing about travel many years ago, it was really more about seeing tennis tournaments - one of my goals to this day is to see a match at every Grand Slam (I live in Queens, so I've been to the US Open a couple of times). The French is probably the next one I'll hit, since I have a good hook-up there. I'd have a place to stay, and she used to work for the Federation (she said young Andre Agassi wasn't the nicest guy), and she also knows Yannick Noah. I've been to London a couple of times, but never during Wimbledon (the one I most want to see). My next trip I'd like to center it around getting out there and seeing a match, but I need to do the online lottery thing on their site. I think you can que up for tickets to the grounds also. I'd also like to see some of the other cool tour sites, like Dubai and Madrid. Now that I travel more with the idea of capturing flags, I can combine the two.

Timoteo, I'm from the city too. How old are you?

Post: #34

Timoteo, that's crazy. Yeah the door game can be draining, but rewarding if you're on that night. I started traveling around the U.S. when I was 13, and internationally when I was 16. I've been to all four grand slams and actually played the French and Australian in juniors (needless to say I lost first and 2nd round...). Roland Garros was my favorite. Say what you want about the frogs, the atmosphere there is unlike any other I've ever experienced, and I've played in some crazy places.

Where are you located? I'd definitely be up for a meetup in Manhattan when you're in the area. I don't have much of a social circle up there save for a few of my brazilian college tennis teammates who now work for J.P and HSBC, so you can imagine how often they go out.

Post: #35

Soup, Timoteo, are you guys going to be in the city during Thanksgiving or mid-December?

Post: #36

(11-08-2012 08:14 PM)soup Wrote:  

(11-08-2012 03:50 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  We actually only ended up there because I celeb friend of ours had a birthday party at the Dream Hotel penthouse, and did the after thing there. She texted that the door guy was even giving HER and her people a hard time, and she's VERY famous. Since we didn't get there with them, he was being extra-dickish. He told my boy something about them having to add $1,500 to their table (two more bottles, which we would have probably ordered anyway). She texted my boy that her assistant was coming up to try to get us in, but he never came out. I'm a native New Yorker, so I'm used to the door thing. I generally don't play that game, and only go to something at those kinds of night spots if I know I have a solid in, or as you stated, have plenty of female talent with me.

I am a major tennis fan. The Borg/McEnroe matches at Wimbledon in the late 70s got me turned on to the sport, and I've followed it ever since. When I first starting thing about travel many years ago, it was really more about seeing tennis tournaments - one of my goals to this day is to see a match at every Grand Slam (I live in Queens, so I've been to the US Open a couple of times). The French is probably the next one I'll hit, since I have a good hook-up there. I'd have a place to stay, and she used to work for the Federation (she said young Andre Agassi wasn't the nicest guy), and she also knows Yannick Noah. I've been to London a couple of times, but never during Wimbledon (the one I most want to see). My next trip I'd like to center it around getting out there and seeing a match, but I need to do the online lottery thing on their site. I think you can que up for tickets to the grounds also. I'd also like to see some of the other cool tour sites, like Dubai and Madrid. Now that I travel more with the idea of capturing flags, I can combine the two.

Timoteo, I'm from the city too. How old are you?

I'm 49. Born and raised here - I grew up in East Harlem, lived in the Bronx for a year, but have been in Queens since '81.

Post: #37

(11-08-2012 08:24 PM)rationalize_this Wrote:  Soup, Timoteo, are you guys going to be in the city during Thanksgiving or mid-December?

I'll be around for the holidays, definitely.

Post: #38

When in NYC, why would you want to go to a Vegas style club were you have to play the bottle service game? The unique thing about NYC is that you can find small great places on every corner which many hotties prefer to attention whoring on clubs.

Post: #39

(11-10-2012 05:53 PM)Vicious Wrote:  When in NYC, why would you want to go to a Vegas style club were you have to play the bottle service game? The unique thing about NYC is that you can find small great places on every corner which many hotties prefer to attention whoring on clubs.

Agreed. Which is why I don't do clubs. I only attempted to that night due to special circumstances. I'll only go if I know who's throwing the party, and I'm sure I'll get right in. No place is really worth standing out in the cold for an hour to get in.

Post: #40

I can vouch that this works. Someone ran it on me once.

Was in Rome traveling budget style in hostels. Met these two girls, one Croatian and the other from Tennessee. We went out together, were having a good time, but I couldn't isolate the Croatian and a threesome wasn't going to happen.

Then this smooth Brazilian guy comes up and starts chatting me up. Talking about football or something, bought a round, seemed like a chill guy. I was happy to introduce him to the girls.

From there on it went smooth. He transitioned real well into game, we were feeding off each other like old school wingmen, and managed to separate the girls after a few drinks.

The G's Brazilian twin?

Post: #41

(11-10-2012 06:33 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(11-10-2012 05:53 PM)Vicious Wrote:  When in NYC, why would you want to go to a Vegas style club were you have to play the bottle service game? The unique thing about NYC is that you can find small great places on every corner which many hotties prefer to attention whoring on clubs.

Agreed. Which is why I don't do clubs. I only attempted to that night due to special circumstances. I'll only go if I know who's throwing the party, and I'm sure I'll get right in. No place is really worth standing out in the cold for an hour to get in.

I never roll "cold" to clubs. And I won't wait in line. As to dropping 1k for bottle service? Won't do that either. The best way to play that game is simply not to. That's why having a promoter on lock or girls with you is so crucial. Daygame FTW!

Also, because of my location in NYC sometimes logistics cater to going to some of these clubs. (Why go elsewhere when there's a club walking distance with talent from your pad)

You're talking about these "small great places".
Which areas? Which streets? What are the names? What days of the week are the "hotties" there? Drop some info!

Just booked my flight. I'll be up in the city Dec 12 until after Christmas. PM me if you're interested in a meetup.

Post: #42

Recently I've been at some retail events and have found a similar dynamic with gay dudes, or as Mixx would say, gatekeepers. Once you've gained their trust, everything else is smooth sailing. It seems like all of this is all a corollary of Nixon's 1972 China Cold War strategy "The enemy of my enemy is my friend;" except for RVF people its "He who cannot hit it for whatever reason is my friend."

Post: #43

@46 Have had this happen w/gay dudes. I am pretty friendly and chat w/everybody. Usually, Ill see the hottie girl and tell the gay dude "She's a hottie. Introduce me."

Hell, 80% of my swoops at gay-bars/clubs during the weekdays in SF were like that.

Post: #44

I figured this classic Gmanifesto thread was worth a bump since it is more relevant than ever in 2016. In my experience, way more than half of the girls I see out at the bar are already being engaged by at least one guy, and that percentage is more like 90%+ if she's hot.

Here lies the secret to not only having success while going out solo, but, more importantly, truly having a good time when you're at the bar alone. I recommend you read or re-read G's post.

Guys are almost always receptive to a friendly conversation - if they aren't, they probably aren't the type who are talking to girls anyway. More reasons why this is THE move:

-It puts you in positive, talkative mood without having to go through the discouraging sting of the night's first rejection.

-It robs even the cuntiest girl of her favorite power move - being a rude cunt. Viciously rejecting and insulting the brave men who approach her at the bar is heeelarious and empowering when it's girls night out. But if she pulls any of that nonsense when you approach her guy friend, she comes off as a weird psycho bitch in front of her beloved peers. God forbid she lets one of those beta orbiters see what a horrible person she is, right?

-It raises your status since you didn't feel the need to go straight for the girls like every other thirsty guy at the bar.

-It allows you to act more like yourself. If you are friendly, somewhat funny, and not a complete faggot, the guy will probably be kind to you. You don't need to "game" a guy, just be yourself. You will still need to game your girl, but you don't need to be as much of a cocky, douche-y clown once you have some social proof.

-It gives some purpose to the night. Robotically approaching girls for the sole purpose of acquiring sex is acceptable and maybe even necessary when you are completely new to the game. Eventually, however, it will feel like work. If you make a point to truly socialize, you may meet friends, business connects, or get invited along on one of those random late-night adventures that only a lone wolf can partake in.


Look at the group dynamics. If one guy is alone in a talking circle with two or more girls, and ALL the girls look completely comfortable/happy with his presence, he's almost certainly their friend. With a slightly closer look, it's usually easy to see which one he's banging (if any) or if he's gay.

Post: #45

This is an interesting post as I've been trying to do this before I even knew what it was. I just realized one day that randomly approaching other guys is way less scary than women and I wanted to see if I could leverage it into an approach for a girl in group situations.

Unfortunately, what generally happens is that I open the guy and we chat for awhile, but he never introduces me to the girls. In the end, I always end up getting to this point in the conversation where I get tired of talking to the guy and receiving weird "who is this guy?" looks from the girls and just eject.

The only time this ever kind of worked out is when I unknowingly chatted with a guy for a little bit that ended up being with a group girls.

Post: #46

(05-06-2016 11:07 AM)rapaz12 Wrote:  This is an interesting post as I've been trying to do this before I even knew what it was. I just realized one day that randomly approaching other guys is way less scary than women and I wanted to see if I could leverage it into an approach for a girl in group situations.

Unfortunately, what generally happens is that I open the guy and we chat for awhile, but he never introduces me to the girls. In the end, I always end up getting to this point in the conversation where I get tired of talking to the guy and receiving weird "who is this guy?" looks from the girls and just eject.

The only time this ever kind of worked out is when I unknowingly chatted with a guy for a little bit that ended up being with a group girls.

Unless he's a player that's really secure, he'll never introduce you to his prospects.

Would you introduce some random dude to your chicks?

Game is required here.

This is a working the crowd issue that has a relativity simple solution.

WIA

Post: #47

Well, what's the solution? How can I engage the girls in the conversation without coming off as trying to hard?

Post: #48

1) Approach guy to talk all about last night's game
2) Parlay into talking about the players who get married and still cheat
3) I think we need a woman's opinion, say "Sugartits, we're having this discussion....And my boy here feels...
*you take the opposite position or take the same*

4) to broad, what do you think"

3+ way conversation.

Boom

So basic structure
- start with a guy topic that Can have a girl angle
- talk with guy, get rapport
- slightly change the topic
- inform guy
- open chick with the guy, three way
- group convo

Now as she responds you have ample opportunity to pick apart her response.

From there, you talk to the guy
"Is she always like this?"
"How do y'all know each other?"

--

From there you know whether or not she's taken, nobody's feelings got hurt, and you can interact with everyone like a friendly stranger/life of the party.

If she's not with him, now you know. From there you can run game, and he's been undercut. (If he wants to steal back the thunder/ use amog tactics) If the girl ends up being an attention whore, crowd management.

So there are no introductions. You don't ask for her name, you keep her on tilt until she asks for yours. Because if she wants to know your name....

Game 101 - Group theory

Cute chicks go to clubs alone or in small groups.

However the best looking chicks go with an entourage. She has orbiters, obstacles and competitors.

You can eat pretty good on sniper game, day game, and online - but dealing with groups is the skillset you should want because it opens up a lot more opportunities.

WIA

Post: #49

Wow, I never thought to do it that way. This way allows me to direct the conversation instead of waiting for a green light from someone else.

Thanks for the breakdown.

Post: #50

Genius.