Post: #51

(10-18-2012 11:09 PM)cat_a_clysm Wrote:  People will sure be upset, but probably not the HBD or WN people as he describes.

Now I'm just convinced you know nothing of what you speak. Nobody with knowledge of WN would say something this daft.

Post: #52

Yeah, hot white woman with black thug is pretty much the apotheosis of everything white nationalists oppose.

In fact, if you removed the whole "niggers are taking our womens" issue away, WN and HBD would be a hollow husk of itself.

Post: #53

I dunno if I buy that. My observation has shown some significant overlap in their membership and viewpoints, particularly when it comes to white intellectual/behavioral supremacy over certain groups (ex: blacks).
Maybe you've seen something else, but I'm fairly confident in my observation having been engaging these groups for the better part of a decade.

Your "observation" comes from your experience engaging them as "the other", not from a disinterested observation. There is some overlap, but WN and HBD are totally separate things. HBD means human bio diversity, the idea that different races have certain characteristics on an overall level (ie, west africans tend to be better sprinters than northern europeans). HBD is a fact, just like game is a fact. Being opposed to HBD is like being a feminist -- it means being opposed to human nature. WN, white nationalism, means wanting a white-only country. WNs all believe in HBD, but most HBD guys don't want or even care about a white-only country.


Strong opposition to interracial mingling from both, particularly when said mingling involves blacks.

The HBD view would be in favor of mixing as long as talking about high quality examples from each side. WNs oppose mixing but they are aware that it happens. Everyone know that a percentage of hot white girls go for black guys specifically, and a bigger percentage of hot white girls are open to black guys with solid game.


I take great pleasure in the discomfort of both groups. Why do I do this?
I do not like them. The feeling is mutual, I'm sure.

You think this is "weird"?

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I think it's a lot better to take pleasure in one's own accomplishmentsd rather than others discomfort

Post: #54

(10-18-2012 11:09 PM)cat_a_clysm Wrote:  People will sure be upset, but probably not the HBD or WN people as he describes.

Which WN/HBD blogs do you read?

Post: #55

(10-19-2012 12:11 AM)cat_a_clysm Wrote:  Your "observation" comes from your experience engaging them as "the other", not from a disinterested observation.

You think so?

Tell me more about my life and the viewpoints I held years before we even began to have this conversation.

Quote:There is a ton of overlap,

Fixed that bit for you.

Quote:but WN and HBD are totally separate things. HBD means human bio diversity, the idea that different races have certain characteristics on an overall level (ie, west africans are genetically inferior intellectually to western Europeans).

Fixed that too.

Quote:HBD is a fact,

Sure it is, bro.

Quote:just like game is a fact. Being opposed to HBD is like being a feminist -- it means being opposed to human nature.

...assuming HBD is, in total, representative of human nature and not just another outgrowth of a xenophobic conservative agenda.
I'd call that conclusion a half truth, and that's if I'm being very generous.

Quote:WN, white nationalism, means wanting a white-only country. WNs all believe in HBD, but most HBD guys don't want or even care about a white-only country.

I'm sure you don't mind the "NAMs" at all, in spite of their "inferior" minds.

The reality is simple.

1. I am black.
2. HBD has nothing good to say about blacks, and is in fact crawling with hostility towards blacks (easily observable by any outsider with the eyes to read a few well known HBD blogs and their comments).
3. HBD has a strong WN following.
4. WN has a strong HBD following.
5. HBD tolerance of WNs is, in my mind, tantamount to fraternizing.

The academic distinctions between the two may exist, but ideologically these are two peas in one very hostile pod as far as any "NAM" is concerned. I'm not dumb enough to miss that reality.

Quote:The HBD view would be in favor of mixing as long as talking about high quality examples from each side.

Ah. So when the negro/hispanic comes around, you give him the extra "lookover" (most of which I'm sure his white peer would bypass) to make sure he's a "credit to his race" (which, according to you, is not generally "high quality").
Sounds lovely, bro. I'll sign right up for that.

Quote:WNs oppose mixing

Understatement of the decade.

Quote:but they are aware that it happens. Everyone know that a percentage of hot white girls go for black guys specifically, and a bigger percentage of hot white girls are open to black guys with solid game.

And some people hate this reality more than others.

Quote:I think it's a lot better to take pleasure in one's own accomplishmentsd rather than others discomfort

False dichotomy.

Good try, though.

Post: #56

Rollo Tomassi (RationalMale) with a great comment on this subject:

Quote:What will make White Knights go into vapor lock is that first picture of her above. She has that same sweet, doe-eyed, blonde haired look all the ‘quality girls’ they know at church have. They just can’t fathom that girl getting worked by a black guy and taking photos with him for momentos.

Still waiting for the coming implosion.

Post: #57

I fuckin love this thread. This is the best thread since Gmac banged that girl on Date Lab and it was "definitely a first."

Post: #58

Yeah, in practice there is very little to no distinction between HBD and WN.

I will say that some HBD/WN types like former Congressman David Duke pay lip service to the right of all people's, including blacks, to their own national, racial identity and heritage. But, actually Duke is a moderate on these matters. Most white nationalists don't even acknowledge the right of other races to anything.

At the same time, I get bored of liberals who criticize WN types while being perfectly accepting of Jewish nationalists who decry Jewish intermarriage with gentiles and support Israel. There is zero difference in principle between this position and WN.

Post: #59

(10-19-2012 01:22 AM)Therapsid Wrote:  At the same time, I get bored of liberals who criticize WN types while being perfectly accepting of Jewish nationalists who decry Jewish intermarriage with gentiles and support Israel. There is zero difference in principle between this position and WN.

I'll agree on that.

Some of the dialogue that followed the episodes involving African migrants to Israel earlier this year was quite concerning to me. I do feel there ought to be more critical attention paid to some of these developments.

Post: #60

HBD gives WN the "scientific" justification for their views.

Post: #61

(10-19-2012 01:29 AM)Roosh Wrote:  HBD gives WN the "scientific" justification for their views.

Bingo.

It is also full of the same crap used to justify the expression of institutional racism in the USA against blacks, native americans, hispanics and other non-Europeans all over the planet.
Any distinction is predominantly academic in nature-in practice, these two ideologies go hand in hand.

Post: #62

Isn't Roissy's blog technically pro-HBD?

That is how I found out about HBD.

He links to HBD studies every now and then and touts John Derbyshire, who is definitely an HBDer.

Post: #63

I like Roissy/Heartiste, despite his WN proclivities. It's cool that he links to Roosh and all. But fuck, his readers. I read the comments on posts unrelated to race, and they devolve to the most grotesque race baiting. I will say this: if you're not black and use the n word in earnest, you're fucking trash. I go to working class bars to pick up trashy chicks and have to back-turn regularly on people for this offense.

I think about it this way - if you're so bloody superior and intelligent, then you don't need to be classless to your supposed inferiors. Unless you're not the master race, after all.

Post: #64

(10-19-2012 01:32 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  He links to HBD studies every now and then and touts John Derbyshire, who is definitely an HBDer.

And totally not hostile to non-asian minorities, as evidenced by his wonderfully insightful rant on the topic of blacks earlier this year.

Just "human nature" according to cat up there. Nothing to see here!

Post: #65

(10-19-2012 01:31 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(10-19-2012 01:29 AM)Roosh Wrote:  HBD gives WN the "scientific" justification for their views.

Bingo.

It is also full of the same crap used to justify the expression of institutional racism in the USA against blacks, native americans, hispanics and other non-Europeans all over the planet.
Any distinction is predominantly academic in nature-in practice, these two ideologies go hand in hand.

Is there any source where one can really learn about the differences between races in an objective manner without going through all the bigoted crap?

Post: #66

(10-19-2012 01:43 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(10-19-2012 01:32 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  He links to HBD studies every now and then and touts John Derbyshire, who is definitely an HBDer.

And totally not hostile to non-asian minorities, as evidenced by his wonderfully insightful rant on the topic of blacks earlier this year.

Just "human nature" according to cat up there. Nothing to see here!

Yeah, Derbyshire is married to an Asian broad. He wants to be the spokesman of the white man but he loves that tight Oriental pussy.

Bringing it back to game - if you want the hottest girls in the U.S., you're better off leaving HBD crap out of it until after you fucked the chick. Then you can reveal yourself as a fascist. I've tested it.

Post: #67

(10-19-2012 01:46 AM)the_conductor Wrote:  

(10-19-2012 01:31 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(10-19-2012 01:29 AM)Roosh Wrote:  HBD gives WN the "scientific" justification for their views.

Bingo.

It is also full of the same crap used to justify the expression of institutional racism in the USA against blacks, native americans, hispanics and other non-Europeans all over the planet.
Any distinction is predominantly academic in nature-in practice, these two ideologies go hand in hand.

Is there any source where one can really learn about the differences between races in an objective manner without going through all the bigoted crap?

I would suggest just going through the - somewhat limited - scientific literature on cognitive ability, neuroscience, evolutionary psychology, and genetics.

The problem is, there's a vast chasm between the mainstream of scientists unwilling to explore human diversity and the minority of racialists like the late lamented Philippe Rushton who are more than happy to substantiate the worst prejudices.

Post: #68

The good news is that he and his bitches support the WV Mountaineers. +1

Post: #69

Why is it that some white chicks are attracted to ugly ass black guys?

Post: #70

(10-19-2012 07:21 AM)Armenian Wrote:  Why is it that some white chicks are attracted to ugly ass black guys?

Game.

Post: #71

This is so awesome.

Every time one of these stories comes out I think men everywhere see another glitch in the matrix.

Post: #72

(10-19-2012 07:21 AM)Armenian Wrote:  Why is it that some white chicks are attracted to ugly ass black guys?

Is this a common occurrence where you live? If so, please tell me where you live, so I can go there. For the most part black dudes have to really hustle to bang white chicks at the same level that a similar-looking white guy would.

Post: #73

(10-19-2012 09:12 AM)j r Wrote:  Is this a common occurrence where you live? If so, please tell me where you live, so I can go there. For the most part black dudes have to really hustle to bang white chicks at the same level that a similar-looking white guy would.

It's fairly common in Canada. At least among the high school/university crowd. The young girls seem to dig the whole wanna be rapper swag. I don't see the older black dudes(30+) hitting fine white chicks though. They are mostly stuck with big black mamas.

Post: #74

(10-19-2012 12:52 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(10-19-2012 12:11 AM)cat_a_clysm Wrote:  Your "observation" comes from your experience engaging them as "the other", not from a disinterested observation.

You think so?

Tell me more about my life and the viewpoints I held years before we even began to have this conversation.

Quote:There is a ton of overlap,

Fixed that bit for you.

Quote:but WN and HBD are totally separate things. HBD means human bio diversity, the idea that different races have certain characteristics on an overall level (ie, west africans are genetically inferior intellectually to western Europeans).

Fixed that too.

Quote:HBD is a fact,

Sure it is, bro.

Quote:just like game is a fact. Being opposed to HBD is like being a feminist -- it means being opposed to human nature.

...assuming HBD is, in total, representative of human nature and not just another outgrowth of a xenophobic conservative agenda.
I'd call that conclusion a half truth, and that's if I'm being very generous.

Quote:WN, white nationalism, means wanting a white-only country. WNs all believe in HBD, but most HBD guys don't want or even care about a white-only country.

I'm sure you don't mind the "NAMs" at all, in spite of their "inferior" minds.

The reality is simple.

1. I am black.
2. HBD has nothing good to say about blacks, and is in fact crawling with hostility towards blacks (easily observable by any outsider with the eyes to read a few well known HBD blogs and their comments).
3. HBD has a strong WN following.
4. WN has a strong HBD following.
5. HBD tolerance of WNs is, in my mind, tantamount to fraternizing.

The academic distinctions between the two may exist, but ideologically these are two peas in one very hostile pod as far as any "NAM" is concerned. I'm not dumb enough to miss that reality.

Quote:The HBD view would be in favor of mixing as long as talking about high quality examples from each side.

Ah. So when the negro/hispanic comes around, you give him the extra "lookover" (most of which I'm sure his white peer would bypass) to make sure he's a "credit to his race" (which, according to you, is not generally "high quality").
Sounds lovely, bro. I'll sign right up for that.

Quote:WNs oppose mixing

Understatement of the decade.

Quote:but they are aware that it happens. Everyone know that a percentage of hot white girls go for black guys specifically, and a bigger percentage of hot white girls are open to black guys with solid game.

And some people hate this reality more than others.

Quote:I think it's a lot better to take pleasure in one's own accomplishmentsd rather than others discomfort

False dichotomy.

Good try, though.

First, "oppose mixing" was your description of the groups, so you can't really turn around and say that I'm making an understatement.

I repeat that HBD is a fact of life just like game is a fact of life. If you claim HBD is just an outgrowth of conservative xenophobia that is just like saying game or red-pill is just an outgrowth of male chauvinism. You've taken no effort to understand what you are criticizing and you are displaying a classic feminist style fingers-in-the-ears attitude.

HBD writers like Roissy, Steve Sailer, Half Sigma, Derbyshire etc, have no hostility at all towards blacks. Many/most men of all races are low quality and there is no implication in my post that non-whites are automatically lower quality. HBD deals in averages and overall group comparisons and it by no means suggests that any race is worse than another, just different (as you would expect because of evolution in different environments). It definitely does not say that an individual person is better or worse automatically because of their race.

At a WN site you would get comments like "oh boo mudshark" to those pics, but you would also get "she's ruined" comments on pretty much any mainstream site too including highly liberal reddit. Lots of people don't understand game, and for people who don't understand game, it really doesn't make sense that a hot white girl would go for a guy like that, especially her student.

You get aversion to mixing from blacks just as much as whites. When Stacy Dash came out for Romney, there were black guys saying stuff like "she's on the white man dick, real blacks don't want her anymore" all over twitter. There was also a recent case of a group of black guys in South Carolina who jumped a white guy while walking with his black girlfriend.

Generally it doesn't tend to be high value men who complain about race mixing OR who like to gloat about race mixing. That kind of stuff comes from men with a chip on their shoulder. You could also say that high value men don't spend 20 minutes of their day typing up a post like this one, and that's fair too lol

Post: #75

(10-19-2012 12:20 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(10-18-2012 11:09 PM)cat_a_clysm Wrote:  People will sure be upset, but probably not the HBD or WN people as he describes.

Which WN/HBD blogs do you read?

Roissy, Steve Sailer, Half Sigma, Derbyshire, those type of guys