Post: #1

I don't mean you, as in you personally, but you in the general sense.

In your heart of hearts, do you think it is possible to say the right things to make a chick who's not really interested in you at first to open her legs for you later that night?

I know this is true in a general sense.

And I know from personal experience it's possible to change a chicks mind from the hell no, I don't know, to maybe, to the soft yes, to the fuck yeah.

WIA

Post: #2

You can make things a little easier for yourself, but in my experience it's more likely to talk your way out of attraction.

All other qualities being equal, it certainly helps, but I wouldn't rely solely on it.

Post: #3

Well I think that would be the epitome of good game. What someone who's gotten into game strives for.

Post: #4

There are a lot of PUA products that emphasize NLP and routines etc., to talk women into attraction, when I personally don't think its probable

Put it this way, if there was some fat bitch who you weren't into, is there anything she could do or say to change your opinion on her?

Now, I recognize men and women are different in some respects.. I don't think its out of the realm for unattractive men to swoon some women with a high degree of charisma/confidence, but it is still unlikely.

In my opinion I don't waste time with women who aren't attracted initially. In fact, I can't think of a bang I've had where the girl initially gave me negative energy, so if they give me negative energy from the beginning I'm out of there

Post: #5

Yes absolutely IMHO.

Post: #6

If you mean say certain the perfect things with poor body language then no way. Not even close. If you are including body language in there, then yes, nearly every single woman on the planet could be yours if you know what to say. However sometimes that will include lying to her, and a lot of guys don't like doing that.

Post: #7

(09-30-2012 03:32 AM)20Nation Wrote:  ...yes, nearly every single woman on the planet could be yours if you know what to say.

I don't believe that for a second. As was mentioned in the analogy above, that's like saying, any fat/ugly chic could make you fall for her if she could say just the perfect words.

Some women will be uninterested no matter what you say or do. Some are indifferent and may be persuaded if you put your best foot forward. Some will be into you no matter what so long as you aren't hopelessly lame.

Post: #8

Well, I do think "attraction is not a choice." I don't think it is about what you say, but about your energy and how women read you and the energy of your body language. There is an abundance of females out there, so I think it is more about finding one that likes you, rather than trying to force the issue with one who does not.

Post: #9

I've never been with a girl who had no interest in me what so ever when we met or at least thought I was cute. I dont bother if I dont sense something right away.

Post: #10

You can't talk your way into pussy in the sense of making a logical case for why a girl should want to fuck you. That's not how the female brain works.

You CAN talk your way into pussy by painting a vivid and compelling picture with your words that captures her emotionally. Women are much more verbal than men. They respond to vivid emotional language much the same way that men respond to vivid imagery (i.e. men have porn, women have Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey).

Now, as to whether you can talk your way into any woman's pussy with words alone, of course that's unrealistic. Obviously your general vibe and appearance will play a large role in the first impression you convey. But that goes for all aspects of life, not just game. If the same guy rolled up and started a conversation with you while wearing homeless rags vs. a sharp business suit, you'd have a much different reaction.

That's why self-improvement is such an integral part of game. Maximize the things you can control, like your fitness, wardrobe, bankroll, life experiences, conversation skills and game, and stop worrying about the things you can't control, like looks, height, etc...

Post: #11

Two words - "I'm rich"

Post: #12

Well she doesn't know if she's interested until you talk. Game is talk mostly. How do I pull girls at the deli counter over and over? All talk. How many decent looking guys do you know that can't pull? It's because they don't know what to say to get her thinking about getting with them.

Post: #13

I've always believed a chick has to at least be on the fence from the start, and only then could you possibly talk her into giving it up. I would think it would be incredibly difficult to turn a clear no into a yes. She's got to be somewhat open to fucking you from jump to be able to talk her into the sack.

Post: #14

Is this a ???? Isn't this exactly what every player here strives for? The ability to cold and calculated like approach any girl, in any scenario, and effectively jump through hoop after hoop until your inside her? Like said above this is the EPITOME of game.
I'll give you a few examples. And for the sake of this thread, all SNLS.

Talking your way in: +1
Essentially cold approaching, creating the connection, getting the makeout, transitioning with ease of logistics, setting the mood, getting it in.

I was at a local bar that is basically solely hispanic. I've met a girl here from pretty much any given country in South America. I shoot the shit with the security and the hostess, and grab a drink from inside. I'm smoking a cigarette outside bantering with the hostess every once in a while when I notice this (8) 20 year old puerto rican girl about to light up as well. Shout out to G for his "do you need a light" opener. I light her up, and we start bantering about whiskey and surfing. I had gone surfing in puerto rico before. Her english is getting choppy, so I switch to Spanish, my 3rd language and her face lights up like Mitt Romney at a press conference about American deaths in Libya.

I finish my drink, and she walks in with me to grab another and a dance. We're dancing salsa, and I am definitely not the best dancer. She is laughing at me and I get the playful escalation kino going. After a few songs, we go back outside again for a cigarette, and I'm talking offhandedly with Security again. I casually mention I live in a building you can see from where we are, and that having to do some work tomorrow, am grabbing a drink. She seems hesitant, but after changing the subject, and having one more cigarette, she obliges. We walk over arm in arm and up to my place. Comfortable cushions are already on the balcony, and we have a drink admiring the view. 10 minutes later we were banging. I think I may have taken 1 sip. That's talking your way into the pussy.

Texting your way into the pussy
I had a harem girl in my rotation over on a saturday because I didn't find any legit plans to do. A friend from lawschool calls me around 9:30 and says he's 2 buildings down from me with 5 girls about to go to a well known club in south beach. I get off the phone, and tell harem girl that I have a last minute client dinner I just got called to go to, and to drop me off. I suit up faster than I ever have before and I'm out the door in 15. I get to my buddies place and a few of the girls Ive met before, and I don't get the feeling they're even remotely into me. They need more to drink I'm telling myself. We pregame for awhile and then roll up to sobe. We get in and a few other friends I know have a table on a top level. We all join. At this point the girls are in full dance/attention whore mode and basically aren't approachable. I step aside for a cigarette when I see this 28 year old with huge tits (7.5) waiting for her friend by the bathroom. I slyly hop in line. Its loud so I keep it short, and I quickly number close her before its her turn in the bathroom. Turns out she's brazilian. I return to my friends and at this point one of the pregame girls starts telling me how creepy some of the other guys are. Code for: "I'm bored, you don't look like you give a fuck, so flirt with me." I oblige, and am running solid game, when the brazilian girl starts texting me.
Here's the exchange:

her: Hi new friend
me: Hola come to our table top floor
her: I'll try
her: I can't find your table

(At this point we all leave sobe, its about 5am right now, I'm hanging at the girls appartment with everyone else. I'm trying to isolate with no luck)

me: i left back to my place in Brickell, lets do something this week
her: We are back in brickell too
her: Its a house party in my friend house
her:
me: I'm at xxx building
her: we are right across the street
her: xxx i guess
me: come across to my building and we'll have some champagne
her: I have no idea which is yours
me: I'll walk you over
Her: ok

Bang.


Talking your way OUT of the lay:

Its a Saturday night and my brother and I are planning on going to another club on sobe. But we need girls. My brother invites a cute blonde he knew from undergrad and her 2 friends over to pregame and come with us. During the pregame they are not pleasant to be around whatsoever. Giving me one word answers to friendly questions, no thank yous after I make them drinks, and talking amongst themselves about guy drama bullshit. I tell my brother no worries if they continue to act this cold I'll just pull a girl from the club. We get in the car and its getting worse. We're turning up the music to try and drown out their now increasingly drunken bullshit. We get to the club, and my promoter says we need more girls in our group so I can get another bottle compd. I tell the girls the situation, and they look puzzled. I say look its early, we've got a table, we're going across the street for a drink and then we'll roll.

So we walk across the street and into a lounge/bar situation. Its loud, and I tell my brother to entertain them for a bit. I approach this 8.5 persian girl, and I'm in when I guess she's persian, from tehran, and her age. We're dancing within 5 minutes, and I'm introduced to her two friends. I escalate with all 3 and I can tell 2 are definitely into me. I tell them they should come to our table across the street it will be fun, etc. They oblige after a little more dancing and I signal my brother to scoop the other 3. We get into the club, escorted to our table and the 3 previous girls are visibly pissed. I attempt to placate but Im getting the same shit again, one word answers, little eye contact, and pow wows between the 3 of them so I give up and go back to the persian girl.

I'm close to making out with her, we're flirting heavily, I have her isolated next to me arm around her in the booth when one of the original 3 ( a Jewish American Princess) starts berating me. You just used us by bringing us here, now you're ignoring us, who do you think you are. Instead of laughing it off, I go off on a roosh rant. "Maybe if you three weren't so fucking cold, ungrateful, and ADD to the point where you can't hold a conversation past the point of "OMG i can't believe he just texted you that", I'd have taken you more seriously."
She storms off back to her friends who go who knows where in the club. The persian girl next to me went cold like a light switch. It just wasn't the same after that, and the more I tried to reheat the oven, the further from that I got.
The most I got that night was a makeout from some random club whore. I effectively talked my way out of the bang with the Persian girl. If I had handled the situation better, or perhaps tried to make more of an effort from the beginning to deal with the previous 3 girls, I'd have talked my way into a bang with one of the original 3, or gone home with the persian girl.

Post: #15

(09-30-2012 04:13 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  ...I don't believe that for a second. As was mentioned in the analogy above, that's like saying, any fat/ugly chic could make you fall for her if she could say just the perfect words...

You're looking at it the wrong way. First of all, most people aren't ugly...just some people are more attractive than others.

Second, I noticed how you mentioned "fat"...being fat makes you less attractive, being fat also suggests to people you don't look after your appearance. However, ANYBODY can lose weight.

If a man doesn't have an attractive face he can still find ways to improve it. Many men don't help themselves with their hairstyle. If you're slightly balding shave your head, if your head is a little big grow more hair for it to be less noticable etc...EVERYBODY can do something to make themselves more physically attractive.

Personally, I would give any woman a chance if she's slim, dresses feminely, etc, etc...basically if she higlights her best features and makes an effort...IMO everyone deserves props for doing the best they can and for making the most of what they have appearance-wise (both men and women)...If a woman wouldn't do the same for me she could piss off.

(09-30-2012 04:13 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  Some women will be uninterested no matter what you say or do. Some are indifferent and may be persuaded if you put your best foot forward. Some will be into you no matter what so long as you aren't hopelessly lame.

Under time constraints yes, but without it I believe every woman can be persuaded, at least, that's the mind set we should have.

It's a matter of who has the stronger frame.

If woman doesn't seem interested in me at first (normally expressed by a lack of talking) I would flip it on its head...a disinterested woman can also be ineterpreted as someone who is shy, nervous or simply rude. I'd assume these first and behave accordingly, I'd say "Are you trying to think of something to say?" or I'd tell her if she could do an impression of somebody (think of a woman with a really odd voice for comical effect) and conclude that she is boring if she doesn't do one etc...basically I would make her lack of interest HER problem rather than mine....

(09-30-2012 05:12 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  Well, I do think "attraction is not a choice." I don't think it is about what you say, but about your energy and how women read you and the energy of your body language.

Yeah, attraction isn't a choice.

(09-30-2012 05:12 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  ...There is an abundance of females out there, so I think it is more about finding one that likes you, rather than trying to force the issue with one who does not.

The act of forcing in itself is unnattractive...If you're interested in a woman who appears not to be interested in you, you must communicate to her that you don't care what she thinks.

Like I mentioned earlier that's her problem. Having preconcieved notions about somebody you just met is STUPID...so call her out on it, but do it sarcastically.

And I say sarcastically so you don't offend her...instead try to make her aware of her stupid ways...If she behaves stupid, treat her as stupid...

(09-30-2012 10:02 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  Well she doesn't know if she's interested until you talk. Game is talk mostly. How do I pull girls at the deli counter over and over? All talk. How many decent looking guys do you know that can't pull? It's because they don't know what to say to get her thinking about getting with them.

Actually game is less about talk more about body language and tone of voice, appearance, how you behave...then I would say it is talking.

Post: #16

I don't think an unattractive 5' 1 guy who is skinny fat is going to talk his way into a 5' 10 cute 7 if she is repulsed by him at the start. We are talking about like 1 in 10000 cases.

Post: #17

(09-30-2012 04:13 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(09-30-2012 03:32 AM)20Nation Wrote:  ...yes, nearly every single woman on the planet could be yours if you know what to say.

I don't believe that for a second. As was mentioned in the analogy above, that's like saying, any fat/ugly chic could make you fall for her if she could say just the perfect words.

Some women will be uninterested no matter what you say or do. Some are indifferent and may be persuaded if you put your best foot forward. Some will be into you no matter what so long as you aren't hopelessly lame.

The fat repulsive guy could say he's a billionaire, or a professional baseball player, or a talent scout, etc. And if he says it right, in a believable way he can have any girl he wanted. Many girls can look past ugly looks if he has exactly what they find important. Whether it be money, power, accomplishments, the ability to help them to a better place, some characteristic they dont have (like a girl who is insecure about not being social enough, will flock to a guy who is very social, hoping it will rub off on her.)

So yes if there are no rules. The ugliest guy, if he can make the perfect story for the girl believable(which includes body language), I really believe he can get any girl.

And since this is a hypothetical situation. If he says everything perfectly at the right time. Yeah I really believe that

Post: #18

double post

Post: #19

(09-30-2012 04:13 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(09-30-2012 03:32 AM)20Nation Wrote:  ...yes, nearly every single woman on the planet could be yours if you know what to say.

I don't believe that for a second. As was mentioned in the analogy above, that's like saying, any fat/ugly chic could make you fall for her if she could say just the perfect words.

Some women will be uninterested no matter what you say or do. Some are indifferent and may be persuaded if you put your best foot forward. Some will be into you no matter what so long as you aren't hopelessly lame.

This

Post: #20

You can talk your way into some pussy and you can also talk your way out of some pussy.

It's all in the delivery.

Post: #21

Yes and no. Your question is a little strange. Can you talk your way into pussy? The answer is no. How do you expect that to work?? You can spit all the game you want, but that's just one part of the lay. Put me in a room with any woman and I believe I could spark attraction, but that's just one part of the puzzle. You need to take what you've created and turn into something profitable and even then, there are a lot of stages in the seduction that are out of your control. Game is not magic. Its not a spell you are casting on a woman even if it sometimes during your greatest moments it seems like it. Seduction I.e. "getting it in" is a dance that requires two partners.

Post: #22

Game essentially boils down to developing the courage to consistently approach the women you like, while not coming across lame.

Post: #23

Quote:I don't mean you, as in you personally, but you in the general sense.

In your heart of hearts, do you think it is possible to say the right things to make a chick who's not really interested in you at first to open her legs for you later that night?

I know this is true in a general sense.

And I know from personal experience it's possible to change a chicks mind from the hell no, I don't know, to maybe, to the soft yes, to the fuck yeah.

As a QUALIFIER, maybe it is my age, or experience ... but, the last thing I want to hear 30 minutes before sex is uncertainty. In fact, I don't mind investing time and attention over the course of days, weeks to have mutual anticipation. The results are much much better IMO.

Years ago, I did not mind it because getting my rocks off was the only goal. Now, style and form matter to me more than just plain old pussy.

Post: #24

(10-02-2012 03:28 PM)theIVth Wrote:  

(10-02-2012 01:15 PM)Mr.Wynn Wrote:  Hey thats whats up, theIVth. i'll probably have to join okc from everybody writing about it on this forum. i know u probably don't wanna post ur entire message on here but what's the tone of it? Joking, aggresive? I try to add humor in my messages if they have something typed in their description that i can go off of but a lot of times thats not the case. I've gotten a good amount of bangs off other sites but pof was always a slump for me

Im pretty direct and just let them know that I want to get to know them because they seem interesting. I subtly let them know that Im physically attracted to them and that I want to see what their personality is like. I basicly finish by letting them know that Im cool and laid back (letting them know im not crazy) and then tell them to hit me back. I just leave my real name as a PS to make myself seem more human. Thats it.

And Ive never hit girls on any website other than blackplanet.com. I have a homeboy that gets on blackpeoplemeet.com every once in a while but ive never been on there. Ive messed around on blackplanet ever since college and just got back on there as of last month after next messing with it for a couple of years.

(10-06-2012 10:26 AM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  Game essentially boils down to developing the courage to consistently approach the women you like, while not coming across lame.

True that. Plain & simple