Post: #26

This is gearing up right now and you will see more stuff happen after the US elections in November. Israel wants to attack oil-rich Iran, this will draw bigger countries like Russia/China on the Iran side.

As for enlisting, I am not and I will not be canon fodder for some super elite families that will make trillions of the war effort.

I would hide in South America or whatever pussy paradise there might be that is safe, experts claim the southern hemisphere would be safer against nuclear attacks.

Post: #27

Hell no. If there's a draft, I'm dodging it. Also, I can't imagine how soft the army would be. There are hordes of this and this everywhere. For some real killer instinct, get some American women in combat boots. Equality, right?

Post: #28

I wouldn't need to enlist..I'd already be an officer.

Post: #29

Sure. I'd love to be able to join the great tradition of slaying enemies on the field of battle.

Post: #30

The military wouldn't have me as I'm too old at this point. But if we got involved in a major war, a war with real losses, it's not about who would enlist, it's about who can avoid being drafted. And draft dodging won't be as easy as it was in the 60s.

Post: #31

"In modern war you will die like a dog for no good reason." - Ernest Hemingway

I'd sooner flee the country than voluntarily serve myself up as cannon fodder for the bankers, corporations and corrupt politicians that have run this country into the ground.

Post: #32

(09-12-2012 02:26 PM)Rah Wrote:  There's a lot of ways WW3 could go down. Maybe the Middle East goes shishkabobs and the major powers take different sides.

In any case, would you voluntarily enlist in your country's military if WW3 did happen right now? Or would you go ghost and loot and pillage while the world burns?

Assume your country is fully committed.

Define ''World War Three''.

The War on Terror involves American forces fighting all over the world, so technically the War on Terror is a world war. You Americans even have the whole home front propaganda thing going.

It may be low intensity but it's nevertheless the United States attacking multiple targets throughout the world : Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Indonesia, Somalia, etc etc

How is that not a world war?

Bear in mind that the concept of ''world war two'' is a journalistic invention. The Great War was only named ''world war one'' more than 20 years after the fact.

Since there is a world war going on, this is not a ''what-if'' scenario. My understanding is that an American can easily volunteer to fight in a combat area, today. No need to wait.

Post: #33

If I was ever conscripted to fight a war outside my home country, I'd put a bullet in the head of any superior officer who I knew supported my slavery. If I was pretty sure I could get away with it. I'm not suicidal.

This kind of fragging was all the rage in Vietnam, and for good reason.


But before it came to that I'd do my best to be smoking cigars and banging the native women in some other country I'd slipped away to.

Post: #34

No way in hell I am defending a country where men are second class citizens. If the United States goes to war with anyone I bet that the other country would have more respect for men and treat men better.

Post: #35

Eh, congress can't even pass a budget. I don't think we have to worry about re-enstating the draft anytime soon.

Post: #36

I don't understand drafting, perhaps someone could enlighten me? So they force me to wear a uniform and move into a barracks, what's stopping me from sitting on my ass and refusing bare-faced to go into combat?

Post: #37

(09-13-2012 06:26 AM)Tengen Wrote:  I don't understand drafting, perhaps someone could enlighten me? So they force me to wear a uniform and move into a barracks, what's stopping me from sitting on my ass and refusing bare-faced to go into combat?

You get charged with dereliction of duty and put in front of the firing squad. Aussies are notorious for not being able to shoot, so you should be safe.

Post: #38

(09-13-2012 06:26 AM)Tengen Wrote:  I don't understand drafting, perhaps someone could enlighten me? So they force me to wear a uniform and move into a barracks, what's stopping me from sitting on my ass and refusing bare-faced to go into combat?

Remember all those guys going "over the top" in WWI? A lot of them weren't too keen on it. If someone refused at the big moment he was often shot on the spot by the CO who kept a service revolver for the purpose. This happened a lot. Summary executions are very common in wartime, and the family never finds out the truth.

Post: #39

I'm a college grad on DEP right now-shipping out in a couple month. Credit's fucked up now so no OCS for me until that gets cleared up. The main thing is that I realized a few months ago that my 3yrs of post-undergrad bitch-ployment have amounted to not much except anger, frustration, a CELTA Certificate to teach English and the ability to straight-faced lie to motherfuckers so that they buy shit I'm selling for someone else or myself.

As I currently read Aaron Clarey's, "Worthless", I realize further that I shot myself in the foot taking up a single major in the Liberal Arts (Foreign Lanaguages), when it would have been wiser to study that in conjunction with an int'l business degree, which I plan on getting the military to pay for. I don't know what my enlistment stint will bring me but I know that I will not waste my life again standing around like a zombie bouncing around from one bitch retail job to another like the AFC I used to be.

Post: #40

(09-13-2012 06:21 AM)j r Wrote:  Eh, congress can't even pass a budget. I don't think we have to worry about re-enstating the draft anytime soon.

They've (Congress) pretty much engineered the socio-economic shit-storm we're in to the point that recruiters in the Air Force, Navy and Army (esp. in the first two) are turning folks away because so many of the 20-somethings with "worthless" degrees like me need someway to pay our loans back.

Post: #41

(09-13-2012 10:29 AM)choichoi Wrote:  I'm a college grad on DEP right now-shipping out in a couple month. Credit's fucked up now so no OCS for me until that gets cleared up. The main thing is that I realized a few months ago that my 3yrs of post-undergrad bitch-ployment have amounted to not much except anger, frustration, a CELTA Certificate to teach English and the ability to straight-faced lie to motherfuckers so that they buy shit I'm selling for someone else or myself.

As I currently read Aaron Clarey's, "Worthless", I realize further that I shot myself in the foot taking up a single major in the Liberal Arts (Foreign Lanaguages), when it would have been wiser to study that in conjunction with an int'l business degree, which I plan on getting the military to pay for. I don't know what my enlistment stint will bring me but I know that I will not waste my life again standing around like a zombie bouncing around from one bitch retail job to another like the AFC I used to be.

The military can be a good choice for some. It toughened me up and gave me a good skill to fall back on. Feel free to PM any of us vets for advice or support.

Post: #42

(09-12-2012 09:09 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  This is gearing up right now and you will see more stuff happen after the US elections in November. Israel wants to attack oil-rich Iran, this will draw bigger countries like Russia/China on the Iran side.

Just look at how China is making grabs for the Daoyou Islands and Russia is beefing up it's claims on Saikhalin, effectively bitching out Japan. Uncle Sam could quite use this as justification for stepping up measures to keep the two powers "in check"

(09-12-2012 09:09 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I would hide in South America or whatever pussy paradise there might be that is safe, experts claim the southern hemisphere would be safer against nuclear attacks.

I wouldn't be so quick to run off to poosy paradise (couldnt resist, haha), man, in the event of a nuclear war - have you read "On the Beach" by Nevil Shute?

Post: #43

(09-13-2012 10:32 AM)choichoi Wrote:  

(09-13-2012 06:21 AM)j r Wrote:  Eh, congress can't even pass a budget. I don't think we have to worry about re-enstating the draft anytime soon.

They've (Congress) pretty much engineered the socio-economic shit-storm we're in to the point that recruiters in the Air Force, Navy and Army (esp. in the first two) are turning folks away because so many of the 20-somethings with "worthless" degrees like me need someway to pay our loans back.

I've been just where you are. Being a college E-4 can be a bit annoying as you see a lot of people who are younger and dumber with a lot of authority over you. It's worse in some jobs than others.

My advice is to stay humble at first. You'll likely stand out from all the dumbass 20-yos. The thing about the military is that your rank and the authority you command aren't always the same.

Also, constantly be looking for opportunities. Here's the thing about the military. No one will tell you anything. There's all sorts of things available to you that you'll never know about until you go find them. College classes, trainings, certifications, GMATs, you can take all of that on Uncle Sam's dime, but you have to go search out the information yourself.

Post: #44

(09-13-2012 10:58 AM)j r Wrote:  I've been just where you are. Being a college E-4 can be a bit annoying as you see a lot of people who are younger and dumber with a lot of authority over you. It's worse in some jobs than others.

My advice is to stay humble at first. You'll likely stand out from all the dumbass 20-yos. The thing about the military is that your rank and the authority you command aren't always the same.

Also, constantly be looking for opportunities. Here's the thing about the military. No one will tell you anything. There's all sorts of things available to you that you'll never know about until you go find them. College classes, trainings, certifications, GMATs, you can take all of that on Uncle Sam's dime, but you have to go search out the information yourself.

Thanks for the advice man, I'll make the most of this opportunity.

Post: #45

I think the main thing here is and I pose to ask as well, theres a difference between a possible Red Dawn type invasion and being sent off to some foreign ass land in the name of freedom.

If its Red Dawn, you better believe I'm joining the resistance or gonna be doing my best behind enemy lines (or whatever have you) to be freeing people or sabotaging the enemy.

Kinda surprised to see so many wouldn't, but then again-understand peoples reasons not to given how easy it is for countries to go to war over petty shit. Yadda yadda yadda.

If war did happen, and the draft was enabled-you better fucking believe it won't be that easy to get out of it and there will be stronger penalties than in the past.

Post: #46

I don't want to shoot anybody I don't know. But if I absolutely had to go I'd want to be a pilot of some sort.

But nah. There's no good wars except Star Wars. I'll pass.

Post: #47

(09-13-2012 10:35 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  I realize further that I shot myself in the foot taking up a single major in the Liberal Arts (Foreign Lanaguages)

Speaking foreign languages is a great way to get into a lot of things in the military. I think you picked a good major, unless your school gives a degree in Killin' Commies.

I speak a few and got certified in them and they sent me to all kinds of places.

Regarding the initial topic of this thread, I was in the United States Navy 9/11/2001, which for quite a while we thought was the start of WW3. Granted that was horrible shit, I was in the right place at the right time and my performance during war time got me promoted like crazy.

Aloha!

Post: #48

I could see some major shit go down in the Middle East, even more so than what's going on currently.

I come from a family full of WWII, Korea, and Vietnam combat vets. Gramps was a pilot in Normandy, dad was infantry grunt in Vietnam.

Answer is and always will be "no". I got places I can camp out in the mountains. We know enough about American history and the oligarchy in the United States using the middle and lower class boys to fight their wars for resources and economic gain for the top .01%.

Although I might consider being a private chef for an air force General. I think they make a shit ton of money plus travel and benefits.

Post: #49

(09-13-2012 05:57 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  I could see some major shit go down in the Middle East, even more so than what's going on currently.

I come from a family full of WWII, Korea, and Vietnam combat vets. Gramps was a pilot in Normandy, dad was infantry grunt in Vietnam.

Answer is and always will be "no". I got places I can camp out in the mountains. We know enough about American history and the oligarchy in the United States using the middle and lower class boys to fight their wars for resources and economic gain for the top .01%.

Although I might consider being a private chef for an air force General. I think they make a shit ton of money plus travel and benefits.

Whatever dude. I'll conscript your ass to be my personal chef, and if I catch you trying to bang my 11 female secretaries, it's to the gallows with you. A rogue General can't be bothered with a poonanie fox in the hen house.

Post: #50

(09-13-2012 06:00 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(09-13-2012 05:57 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  I could see some major shit go down in the Middle East, even more so than what's going on currently.

I come from a family full of WWII, Korea, and Vietnam combat vets. Gramps was a pilot in Normandy, dad was infantry grunt in Vietnam.

Answer is and always will be "no". I got places I can camp out in the mountains. We know enough about American history and the oligarchy in the United States using the middle and lower class boys to fight their wars for resources and economic gain for the top .01%.

Although I might consider being a private chef for an air force General. I think they make a shit ton of money plus travel and benefits.

Whatever dude. I'll conscript your ass to be my personal chef, and if I catch you trying to bang my 11 female secretaries, it's to the gallows with you. A rogue General can't be bothered with a poonanie fox in the hen house.

As long as we're stationed in SE asia i'm cool with that