I have seen Turks only with average to ugly chicks.Just a stroll in the ghetto can confirm that.In fact I thought I had never seen a Turk with a German girl but it was because I only paid attention to hot chicks.Once I noticed the ugly ones I saw that lots of them date Turks and Arabs.I saw some beautiful German girls with Blacks in Berlin.
From southern Europeans I have seem only Italians pull with ease German girls who visit northern Italy in mass.
Greeks of second generation in Germany are indistinguishable from Germans in appearance,clothes,behaviour even in haircut.Only the big nose betrays them that they are Greeks.Like Germans they do not approach.
Poles in Germany also integrate very well and become indistinguishable from Germans.You can recognize then from their eyes (not so strict look like Germans have).
Russians remain Russians they do not change.Turks also remain Turks.

The Germans who approach have tremendous game and are really good in that (eg Aaron Sleazy).They are very efficient.The rest does not approach at all.

(09-07-2012 07:35 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  I have seen Turks only with average to ugly chicks.Just a stroll in the ghetto can confirm that.In fact I thought I had never seen a Turk with a German girl but it was because I only paid attention to hot chicks.Once I noticed the ugly ones I saw that lots of them date Turks and Arabs.

As I said, the Turks usually do well with the ghetto/hiphop type of Germans who are into that whole macho behavior. Often, those types of girls look pretty trashy.

Quote:I saw some beautiful German girls with Blacks in Berlin.

There are a lot of decent looking German girls who go for black guys. The thing is, the African blacks who come here seem to have no standards at all when in comes to the local women.

You guys are right, northern Germany and especially Berlin are way different from the southern parts. My whole family is from Berlin and I would never consider moving anywhere south of Frankfurt, becauses the people down there tend to be uptight, stuck up bitches. For you guys who are complaining, just dont go there or, if you are already there, move. Problem solved. If you'd live somewhere in the boonies in Texas, it would suck, too, wouldnt it.

(09-07-2012 07:35 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  I have seen Turks only with average to ugly chicks.Just a stroll in the ghetto can confirm that.In fact I thought I had never seen a Turk with a German girl but it was because I only paid attention to hot chicks.Once I noticed the ugly ones I saw that lots of them date Turks and Arabs.I saw some beautiful German girls with Blacks in Berlin.
From southern Europeans I have seem only Italians pull with ease German girls who visit northern Italy in mass.
Greeks of second generation in Germany are indistinguishable from Germans in appearance,clothes,behaviour even in haircut.Only the big nose betrays them that they are Greeks.Like Germans they do not approach.
Poles in Germany also integrate very well and become indistinguishable from Germans.You can recognize then from their eyes (not so strict look like Germans have).
Russians remain Russians they do not change.Turks also remain Turks.

The Germans who approach have tremendous game and are really good in that (eg Aaron Sleazy).They are very efficient.The rest does not approach at all.

This is pretty much true. The vast majority of Turks and Arabs in Germany are lowlifes. 40% dont even finish high school, are therefore socially stigmatized and hence, a German quality girl would never date them. There are some exceptions, obviously.
On the other hand, blacks in Germany is a different story. Some do extremely well. Ive some black friends who in certain venues get more pussy than they can handle. Those are not proper Africans, but black Germans. Real African immigrants dont do too well, since they lack of language skills, social prestige and come from a cultural background which is vastly, maybe even too, different.

Also Kamaki is right when he says that Germans have no game and dont approach. For some reason, they just dont. I was at a party looking for pussy and eventually got some. Afterwards an American friend of mine told me that I reminded her of her buddys back home, because I would approach so aggressively.

@obla: Its absolutely not true that you have to be darkskinned, dark haired or look exotic to get German girls. Im blond, blue eyed and do pretty well here and so do some of my German buddys. Approach and you'll get pussy eventually, no matter where you are (ok, maybe not in Kabul...). Dont focus too much on looks, it'll hurt your game.

For sure dark skin alone does not get you anywhere in Germany.For a Mediteranean it is crucial to prove that he belongs to the upper middle class of his country and fully adopts German values.

Why it gets overlooked? Because German chicks are starting to turn into Jersey Shore whores (not surprising after decades of US control). Following is from a show called Maedchen-gang (Girl gang):

(09-07-2012 04:25 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  Not necessarilly. It's more that there are certain types of girls over here that go for tanned and dark skinned guys, so they have a market to exploit in Germany. Like I said, Black guys (especially the stereotypical Black Americans) do well with girls who are heavily into the whole American hiphop scene. Turks and Middle Easterners also do well with German hiphop fans, mainly because of the macho-stereotype associated with them (similar to Hispanic stereotypes in the US).

Latin, Italian, and Spanish guys will likely do well because they've not only got the hiphop crowd (who may mistake them for Turks at first), but also the type of girls who have a soft spot for Latin culture. It's kind of like the exotic factor that alot of white guys have when they go to Asia.

what are you talking about?? german girls dont like spaniard men.. they only like dark skinned men like italians or blacks.. this is what i've seen in cologne and berlin while i lived in germany. and i'd say about 70% of the german girls visiting usa go out with black and italian guys. again, this is based on my observation and that of my friends.

Dark skinned Italians?

(09-07-2012 01:42 PM)obla Wrote:  what are you talking about?? german girls dont like spaniard men.. they only like dark skinned men like italians or blacks..

Totally false, and please don't say dark skinned for Italians, just a minority of them are like that.
Most have average skin pigmentation and in the north there are a lot of fair skinned guys with bright eyes.

This famous football player, for example, has very typical italian traits:

(09-07-2012 02:00 PM)Way Cool Jr Wrote:  

(09-07-2012 01:42 PM)obla Wrote:  what are you talking about?? german girls dont like spaniard men.. they only like dark skinned men like italians or blacks..

Totally false, and please don't say dark skinned for Italians, just a minority of them are like that.
Most have average skin pigmentation and in the north there are a lot of fair skinned guys with bright eyes.

This famous football player, for example, has very typical italian traits:

its absolutely true!! and your pic shows an italian who is dark skinned. i've lived in europe for 11 years and have visited all major cities there. and i always see german girls with balcks or italians or arabs. so what are you talking about? italians are dark skinned by nature. everyone knows this.. theyre mediterranean. why are you upset about this fact? i dont get it.

look at this pic and tell me if italians arent dark skinned:

(09-07-2012 03:04 PM)obla Wrote:  

(09-07-2012 02:00 PM)Way Cool Jr Wrote:  

(09-07-2012 01:42 PM)obla Wrote:  what are you talking about?? german girls dont like spaniard men.. they only like dark skinned men like italians or blacks..

Totally false, and please don't say dark skinned for Italians, just a minority of them are like that.
Most have average skin pigmentation and in the north there are a lot of fair skinned guys with bright eyes.

This famous football player, for example, has very typical italian traits:

its absolutely true!! and your pic shows an italian who is dark skinned. i've lived in europe for 11 years and have visited all major cities there. and i always see german girls with balcks or italians or arabs. so what are you talking about? italians are dark skinned by nature. everyone knows this.. theyre mediterranean. why are you upset about this fact? i dont get it.

I'm not upset, because there is nothing to be upset. xd
I'm Italian and I live in Milano, and I guarantee you that here a lot of people (most of them) are not really fitting in that description.
Look for example at our past Prime Ministers and you'll see that almost nobody of them is dark skinned.
Or take a look at our national football team, you'll see a great variety of phenotypes.
People across the world think that all italian man are more or less like are like that, maybe because of the italian-americans (most of them were from the south of Italy).
I don't want to criticize, I just want to give more clarity to this subject.

(09-07-2012 03:20 PM)Way Cool Jr Wrote:  I'm not upset, because there is nothing to be upset. xd
I'm Italian and I live in Milano, and I guarantee you that here a lot of people (most of them) are not really fitting in that description.
Look for example at our past Prime Ministers and you'll see that almost nobody of them is dark skinned.
Or take a look at our national football team, you'll see a great variety of phenotypes.
People across the world think that all italian man are more or less like are like that, maybe because of the italian-americans (most of them were from the south of Italy).
I don't want to criticize, I just want to give more clarity to this subject.

i really dont want to fight.. all i'm doing is making an observation.. i've been to italy a million times and the citizens there that i've seen are dark skinned. italians are a mediterranean people, one time conqurered and mixed with north african arabs.. they look far from swedish or german. again, thats my observation and i dont mean to insult anyone.

(09-07-2012 01:42 PM)obla Wrote:  

(09-07-2012 04:25 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  Not necessarilly. It's more that there are certain types of girls over here that go for tanned and dark skinned guys, so they have a market to exploit in Germany. Like I said, Black guys (especially the stereotypical Black Americans) do well with girls who are heavily into the whole American hiphop scene. Turks and Middle Easterners also do well with German hiphop fans, mainly because of the macho-stereotype associated with them (similar to Hispanic stereotypes in the US).

Latin, Italian, and Spanish guys will likely do well because they've not only got the hiphop crowd (who may mistake them for Turks at first), but also the type of girls who have a soft spot for Latin culture. It's kind of like the exotic factor that alot of white guys have when they go to Asia.

what are you talking about?? german girls dont like spaniard men.. they only like dark skinned men like italians or blacks..

As I already said, it depends on what crowd your in.

Saying "German girls only like dark skinned men" is like saying "European men only like Japanese girls".

The RVF's own Goodwin's law is that every thread eventually turns into a race thread.

(09-08-2012 10:03 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  As I already said, it depends on what crowd your in.

Saying "German girls only like dark skinned men" is like saying "European men only like Japanese girls".

again, based on extensive travel to germany and surrounding nations and cities, i can say that generally, german girls have an attraction for dark skinned men like, italians, arabs and blacks. it may be a stereotypical observation, but stereotypes are generally true. and whenever german girls visit the usa, most of them hook up with black guys. again, this is based on my observation and that of my friends. i see it all the time.

then you said that "european men only like japanese girls".. well, i dont know if thats true or not but in the usa, i can honestly say that generally, american guys like asian girls. visit nyc and see the tons of american guys going out with asians. again, this is a general statement. but general statements like stereotypes are generally true.

(09-08-2012 10:36 AM)obla Wrote:  

(09-08-2012 10:03 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  As I already said, it depends on what crowd your in.

Saying "German girls only like dark skinned men" is like saying "European men only like Japanese girls".

again, based on extensive travel to germany and surrounding nations and cities, i can say that generally, german girls have an attraction for dark skinned men like, italians, arabs and blacks.

Based on spending half my life here, I'd say that is only true for a certain demographic. I know a lot of German women who aren't into Turks or Black guys, and others who don't seem to care either way.

People tend to notice what sticks out more in a group of people. They don't bother taking notice to or remembering that which doesn't stick out. This is called selective thinking and confirmation bias, and it's where a lot of stereotypes are born.

Quote:then you said that "european men only like japanese girls".. well, i dont know if thats true or not but in the usa, i can honestly say that generally, american guys like asian girls. visit nyc and see the tons of american guys going out with asians. again, this is a general statement. but general statements like stereotypes are generally true.

Stereotypes are usually based on generalized observations. To get back to the Asian girl example: there is a noticable group of Europeans and Euro-Americans who like Asians, but whether they make up a majority is an entirely different matter. Plenty of the guys on this forum claim not to like Asians. Instead of saying "White people/European men like Japanese girls" it would make more sense to say "There's a certan percentage of European men who like Japanese girls".

What do German girls think about Indian guys? Are German girls white? I am NOT attracted to black girls, only the white ones. Do German girls go for darker skinned guys? Maybe the race totem pole is upside down there? I need to know this. I want to have sex and lose my virginity to a white girl. NOT a black girl.

(09-08-2012 10:56 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  Based on spending half my life here, I'd say that is only true for a certain demographic. I know a lot of German women who aren't into Turks or Black guys, and others who don't seem to care either way.

People tend to notice what sticks out more in a group of people. They don't bother taking notice to or remembering that which doesn't stick out. This is called selective thinking and confirmation bias, and it's where a lot of stereotypes are born.

traveling in and out of germany i can say that not every german girl is going to go out with a dark skinned man. but based on my travels and experiences with hangin out with friends and friends of friends, german girls have a HUGE tendency to go the direction of dating dark skinned men.

and i've been noticing this growing trend for the past 23 years.

Quote:Stereotypes are usually based on generalized observations. To get back to the Asian girl example: there is a noticable group of Europeans and Euro-Americans who like Asians, but whether they make up a majority is an entirely different matter. Plenty of the guys on this forum claim not to like Asians. Instead of saying "White people/European men like Japanese girls" it would make more sense to say "There's a certan percentage of European men who like Japanese girls".

but to word it specifically robs the overall point of general observations that stereotypical statements are made for. stereotypes are just generalizations with the backing of truth. many people make the mistake of comparing steretypes with isolated cases. steretypes are not meant to be a definitive case by case belief; but a tendency or trend that possesses an element of truth.

Although i agree that German women can be annoying, masculine, etc, I will say this: out of the northern europeans i have met: Dutch, Germans, Swiss, Austrians, Scandinavians, the most perfect girls i have met (hot lookswise and great personality were actually German.

With the caveat that these are only my experiences, i haven't met any Dutch, Scandis, or Swiss/Austrians that blew my mind. For some reason, most of them have been German.

Germans seem to be very split IMHO, some are fit the negative stereotypes, but some are actively aware of the bad stereotypes and do seem to try to actively differentiate themselves.

(09-08-2012 06:34 PM)whosyourdaddy Wrote:  Although i agree that German women can be annoying, masculine, etc, I will say this: out of the northern europeans i have met: Dutch, Germans, Swiss, Austrians, Scandinavians, the most perfect girls i have met (hot lookswise and great personality were actually German.

With the caveat that these are only my experiences, i haven't met any Dutch, Scandis, or Swiss/Austrians that blew my mind. For some reason, most of them have been German.

Germans seem to be very split IMHO, some are fit the negative stereotypes, but some are actively aware of the bad stereotypes and do seem to try to actively differentiate themselves.

youve had the most success with germans?? are you serious?? well, thats weird since many of my friends have had trouble hooking up with them, despite that fact that many of my friends are good puas. thats very weird. i wonder what you say or do to attract them..

(09-08-2012 07:21 PM)obla Wrote:  

(09-08-2012 06:34 PM)whosyourdaddy Wrote:  Although i agree that German women can be annoying, masculine, etc, I will say this: out of the northern europeans i have met: Dutch, Germans, Swiss, Austrians, Scandinavians, the most perfect girls i have met (hot lookswise and great personality were actually German.

With the caveat that these are only my experiences, i haven't met any Dutch, Scandis, or Swiss/Austrians that blew my mind. For some reason, most of them have been German.

Germans seem to be very split IMHO, some are fit the negative stereotypes, but some are actively aware of the bad stereotypes and do seem to try to actively differentiate themselves.

youve had the most success with germans?? are you serious?? well, thats weird since many of my friends have had trouble hooking up with them, despite that fact that many of my friends are good puas. thats very weird. i wonder what you say or do to attract them..

Sounded more like he said that the most attractive women he met were Germans (even though on average, most aren't that much).

(09-10-2012 06:13 AM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  Sounded more like he said that the most attractive women he met were Germans (even though on average, most aren't that much).

oh i see..

I dont know. It's not bad here at all.

(08-25-2011 04:34 PM)Mace Wrote:  Maybe that's why we're so down on American women - most of the the population is of Anglo & German origin - the two most despised groups on this forum!

Thats false, by far the most common ancestry among white american is British Isles/Ireland, the german ancestry is largely overestimated, and many people claim being german americans even when they are only 1/4 part german, because they remember the more recent foreigners and forget about the wide and more abundant british colonial stock. Just walk around streets of the UK and Germany, far and far more white americans could pass for random brits, most germans look alien from american perspective, both physically and culturally.

Second, the germans that went to the USA were from rhineland-palantine, one of the least stereotypically looking germans even on average (sw germany)

(08-25-2011 04:34 PM)Mace Wrote:  Maybe that's why we're so down on American women - most of the the population is of Anglo & German origin - the two most despised groups on this forum!

mace, if you werent a guy i'd kiss you for making such a truthful statement! i couldnt tell you the number of times that my friends and i noticed that anglo-saxon, german, polish, and russian girls behaving in a way that men despise. this is especially true with anglo-saxon women. they act so nervous and protected like your gonna kidnap them or something just by looking at them. no one understands them at all.

thats why i'm very harsh with them if they get out of line with me.. i seriously dont fucking play around with them. if they get out of line, i'll put them in their place, i dont give a fuck to be honest with you. and you know what? it may be negative, which i admit, but its the only way many times that i get respect from them. believe it or not.

(09-07-2012 09:31 PM)obla Wrote:  

(09-07-2012 03:20 PM)Way Cool Jr Wrote:  I'm not upset, because there is nothing to be upset. xd
I'm Italian and I live in Milano, and I guarantee you that here a lot of people (most of them) are not really fitting in that description.
Look for example at our past Prime Ministers and you'll see that almost nobody of them is dark skinned.
Or take a look at our national football team, you'll see a great variety of phenotypes.
People across the world think that all italian man are more or less like are like that, maybe because of the italian-americans (most of them were from the south of Italy).
I don't want to criticize, I just want to give more clarity to this subject.

i really dont want to fight.. all i'm doing is making an observation.. i've been to italy a million times and the citizens there that i've seen are dark skinned. italians are a mediterranean people, one time conqurered and mixed with north african arabs.. they look far from swedish or german. again, thats my observation and i dont mean to insult anyone.

Yes that's true although I wouldn't call italians particularly dark, but they tend to be ethnic looking (if you know what I mean by ethnic as being noticeably different from your own ethnic group), compared to northern europeans (mostly scandinavians, dutch and nortern germans), Some southern germans/austrians and swiss-germans can have darker features aswell (darker hair , eyes, etc) but still look pretty central/northern european physically wise (specially body types and facial structures), I wouldnt confuse them with a spaniard or italian.

But I have noticed some people at the british Isles can be about as mediterranean looking as some spanish/portuguese or italians, for example sean connery and catherine zetal jones types, but well I dont think most people would count the Brits/Irish as germanic people, not even the english, since the vast majority of their ancestry is of brethonyc/pre-celtic origin and not of modern germanic one.