Post: #26

Being single is perfect....at least..i don't want any relationship burdens.

the OP must be falling into one of those categories and remained single and found out that its a disease.

add me into ''Single....but experienced'' category .

Post: #27

I know many people in their 40's and 50's single and happy, couldnt imagine it any other way....

Post: #28

(05-22-2011 09:03 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  I look at marriage the way I look at having an office job. It's a good option for a lot of AVERAGE guys who want something stable in their life.

Ya except neither an office job nor your marriage is stable.

Post: #29

"Reality check: What these guys need to accept is that no one’s perfect — and include themselves in that statement. And, in Dr. Kerner’s opinion, “There is no such thing as a soul mate,” he says. “Rather, it’s the journey of building a great relationship over time that leads to a ‘soul mate’-type of closeness.” So the next time you’re iffy about a girl, give her more of a chance before you write her off."

This is about the only thing this guy wrote that I can totally agree with. But it's usually women that go on and on about the "soul mate" thing. I don't believe I've ever heard or read a guy stating that he was looking for this magical pairing with a woman. Most men are realistic...they KNOW they're going to take a hit, but marry because they think it's something they SHOULD do. If you really want to be a dad, I understand why - it's better to give your kids a shot at being raised in a loving, nuclear family environment. But I wonder...is it better from jump to just have a kid with some chick, work out custody arrangements and be a father that way? Food for thought.

As to the workaholic type, his advice is pure poison. Focus on finding someone that will be "supportive" of his career? What does "supportive" mean? Enjoying the fruits of his labor? Are you being supportive merely by being with him? This is ammunition that women use to secure more of your assets in divorce. They'll say how they were supportive of a man's professional life, and thereby HELPED him in earning the money he made, making them ENTITLED to take half of it. Unless you actually WORKED FOR HIM, you didn't help him earn shit. He would have made the money without you. In fact, he may have earned MORE without you in his life than with you in it.

Post: #30

(05-22-2011 08:23 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  This article is just an exercise in shaming, one designed to get men to "sign on the dotted line" so to speak and enter contract en masse with women.

The problem is encompassed within a few of financial analogies I personally am fond of using: return on investment, risk, and the role incentives play in driving behavior.

1. Return on Investment(ROI): Most modern American women have a very poor ROI, especially for a reasonably successful, financially secure (or affluent) single guy in his 30's/40's. That guy is in his prime: with the affluence, experience and confidence he has attained over time, he can (assuming he's stayed in decent shape) pretty much have his pick of women.

This guy (rich, older, in shape) is the "Mr Big" that all the women want to snag, but they fail to realize that he has no incentive to let them snag him. To do so, he'd need to give up his sexual access to a wide variety of women, give up his financial freedom(tying much of it to her) and give up his independence. This all amounts to a massive investment, so we have to ask: what is the return? What does a woman bring to the table in return for all of the investment Mr. Big makes by committing to her?

To put it simply: Women are depreciating assets. This episode of the Tom Leykis show is a perfect descriptor of the topic. If you guys don't know about Tom Leykis, get on Youtube and start listening, there are hundreds of his shows recorded and posted there. He's like Roissy's father.





To summarize the video: The average American woman, even when attractive in her mid-20's, is a depreciating asset who would give Mr. Big a negative return on his investment. They just don't bring much to the table aside from their looks(which will deteriorate), and are thus better off rented or leased than bought(read: married).

American Mr. Bigs (and even the Mr. Above Averages or Mr. Somewhat Larges) are figuring this out, and they are selling their stock en-masse. The author of this article can't change that reality.

2. Risk: As noted above, men give up a lot and expose themselves to a lot by getting married. Marriage is a great deal for women: it provides them with more security, minimizing the risks that they would otherwise face. Men don't get those benefits, but instead receive more risks, which come primarily in the form of rather unfavorable divorce laws. By signing on the dotted line, they give a woman the opportunity to take half of his assets, his home and his children whenever she pleases, regardless of what he does and how good he is.

Does your average financier regularly take on extremely risky investments? Not often, especially when they don't offer the potential for extremely high returns(as noted in point one, ROI). Men aren't going to do things any differently.

3. Incentives drive behavior: This is a common saying in the financial world and it applies elsewhere as well. The female empowerment movements that began in the 60's and 70's accelerated the death of the patriarchy. Patriarchs(male heads of the family, "family guys") are no longer valuable, respected or widely appreciated in this society.

The "nice guys" who often evolve into the best "family guys" (the ones who would be most willing and able to get married and stay that way) are frequently avoided by women in this society in favor of men with less of a "nesting" demeanor (men generally referred to as "bad boys" for their lack of pedestalization of women and their unwillingness to embrace the traditional family man role). Guys who were raised to adhere to this role are, in quite large numbers, voicing their disappointment with their treatment by their female peers who don't seem to appreciate or respect them.

Why don't American women appreciate/respect them? Because while men have been raised to be "respectful" of women and pedestalize them (lest they be labelled misogynists), women have been raised to shake off those old traditional gender roles.

In other words, we've created an entirely new game with new rules that we allow women to play freely, but we haven't brought men up to speed. They're still playing by the old rules, and are thus getting caught off guard when they realize that "being nice" and doing everything a woman wants isn't the way to her heart. This society creates "nice guys" and then summarily makes it very difficult for them to succeed. This naturally breeds resentment, further eroding any incentive to play by the "traditional" rules and marry.

Watch American TV and you'll see many patriarchs portrayed on sitcoms and other shows as bumbling morons, outsmarted by their small female children and all of the women in their life.

In other words, what we are seeing is a society where men who want to marry, become family men and adhere to that type of traditional role and commitment are rejected, cheated on, and roundly insulted. The women don't appreciate them and the divorce laws are punitive.

There is ZERO incentive in this society to become a patriarch. Every card is stacked against them form the word "go" (childhood, when he's told how "being nice" wins women's hearts).

Of course, zero incentive to marry creates a lot of incentive to go the opposite route: play the field, and remain free. That path breeds a far happier existence in this society than "being a nice guy" and "manning up" to marry a woman does, which is why so many guys are taking it.

Nothing short of a widespread and fundamental shift in the way this society views and treats men (especially patriarchs) and how women behave and view men will stop this trend.

As much as I enjoy reading your post, marriage brings a degree responsibility in your life, which might giv more focus which in turn can increase your earning power. The trick is finding the right one.

After being overseas for 5 years and just coming back to the USA, my conclusion is that marriage seems not to as important as before, and that women want to have the privileges men had for the longest time.

Post: #31

(05-23-2011 03:47 PM)babelfish669 Wrote:  Can someone write an article, "5 types of guys who get married before they are 35"

1. The Boring Loser that Snagged an Average Chick
2. The Guy That Has Only Had Sex with One Girl, His Wife
3. The Guy That Does What All His Friends Do And Doesn't Want To Get Left Out
4. The Poor Short Term Decision Maker
5. The Guy Whose Parents Still Tell Him What To Do

Yeah heh this is exactly what is needed. Haha.

Post: #32

What a shit list.

Why would you have the five types of people and round it off with a 'none of the above' category?

Here I can do one too:

The five reasons you shouldn't make money

1) You don't need more stuff.
2) Making money is greedy.
3) You'll eat too much junk food.
4) You'll feel bad when you don't save it.
5) None of the above - Any other reason you could possibly have to not make money goes here, so don't make money folks!

Post: #33

Holy shit, Kitsune, I'm going to retire and drop out of uni. Thanks for that, I probably would have just been a slave to money forever otherwise.

Post: #34

When broads ask me why I've never married I generally tell them; "I like all of my shit. Not just half of it."

Surprisingly, it doesn't seem to scare them off. Often they start qualifying themselves.

Post: #35

(05-21-2011 05:33 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  Workaholic partier here.

Ill keep the friends with benefits thanks. No alimony payments to worry about.

Seconded.

Post: #36

Take it from a guy who has been single for over 3 years but has been in some LTRs; they are overrated, and you know who overrates them the most? The people who aren't in them.

5 misconceptions people who aren't in long-term relationships have about them:

1) LTRs are about effort-free sex (maybe at first...)
2) It's nice to be with someone who cares about you (most women don't care for men as much as they just don't want to be alone, most men don't care about women as much as they like fucking them.)
3) Long-term relationships are cheaper than chronic dating (again, maybe at first...)
4) It's wrong to sleep with someone you don't care about (hahahahahahahahahahaha!)
5) It's nice to be with someone that's loyal to you (most women [and men with game] are to loyal as dog is to polka-dot umbrella.)

And of course I hear 'But don't you want to get married someday!?', and I laugh; getting married in North America is like taking all of your shit and all of your money to Vegas and betting it on black.

But yes, this article, and people out there, act like choosing to be single (while slaying a bunch of ass) is a disease, and now this goofy beta is too (I love how many men out there are buying women's bullshit, less competition). I'm a partier-type, so that must mean I'll be relegated to an address book full of 'friends with benefits', oh no!

Post: #37

(07-06-2012 07:00 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  Take it from a guy who has been single for over 3 years but has been in some LTRs; they are overrated, and you know who overrates them the most? The people who aren't in them.

5 misconceptions people who aren't in long-term relationships have about them:

1) LTRs are about effort-free sex (maybe at first...)
2) It's nice to be with someone who cares about you (most women don't care for men as much as they just don't want to be alone, most men don't care about women as much as they like fucking them.)
3) Long-term relationships are cheaper than chronic dating (again, maybe at first...)
4) It's wrong to sleep with someone you don't care about (hahahahahahahahahahaha!)
5) It's nice to be with someone that's loyal to you (most women [and men with game] are to loyal as dog is to polka-dot umbrella.)

And of course I hear 'But don't you want to get married someday!?', and I laugh; getting married in North America is like taking all of your shit and all of your money to Vegas and betting it on black.

But yes, this article, and people out there, act like choosing to be single (while slaying a bunch of ass) is a disease, and now this goofy beta is too (I love how many men out there are buying women's bullshit, less competition). I'm a partier-type, so that must mean I'll be relegated to an address book full of 'friends with benefits', oh no!

I agree with those generalizations, but there are certainly exceptions. I've been in a few LTRs and each one has been different. I'm in one now and so far she's managed to do the exact opposite of previous LTRs (but she's SE Asian, the first one I've LTRed, so that explains something I'm sure)

What bothers me most about the original article are the little tidbits of advice from dudes with PhDs and shit, it's just classic sideline punditry. I'd like to see who these guys are and what kind of chicks they've banged or hitched up with.

On a deeper level, we should always be aware of what the media is trying to sell to us. Articles are written for a reason, and they are funded privately by individuals with an agenda. I wouldn't call myself paranoid, but the more I extricate myself from mainstream media, the more it all seems incredibly manipulative to me when I do encounter it. I haven't had a T.V. in about 10 years, and when I see it now, it blows me away that people can sit in front of this thing for hours at a time.

Post: #38

(07-07-2012 12:07 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  On a deeper level, we should always be aware of what the media is trying to sell to us. Articles are written for a reason, and they are funded privately by individuals with an agenda. I wouldn't call myself paranoid, but the more I extricate myself from mainstream media, the more it all seems incredibly manipulative to me when I do encounter it. I haven't had a T.V. in about 10 years, and when I see it now, it blows me away that people can sit in front of this thing for hours at a time.

Broadly, there is a conspiracy of sorts. There are just a few companies that control virtually all mass media. The executive staff is intimately involved with our financial institutions, the government, universities, and think tanks.

For the most part, something along the lines of Brave New World is the ultimate goal here. The elite wishes to maintain their positions of power. Within the United States, this largely comes from being direct beneficiaries of our imperial system of extracting wealth from the world economy via sovereign debt (See Michael Hudson's _Super Imperialism_).

The problem in the US is we don't really have a functional economy. Nearly all wealth comes from this imperial system, but only a few can benefit and live a life of largess. The vast majority of Americans are effectively economically obsolete within this economic structure.

So, we get the service economy, we get the office drones, and we get loads of welfare.

This kind of life is not satisfying on a base level, so propaganda is necessary to reinforce the supposed value of this lifestyle. This is the function media serves.

Masculinity is one of the greatest threats to this system, but attempts to control it have been mixed due to liberal philosophy. There is no question original propaganda efforts to undermine patriarchy and encourage promiscuity was very much in the Brave New World mode of placating people with casual sex. No one anticipated however how primal female sexuality is, i.e. the 80/20 rule.

The resurgence of propaganda glorifying relationships is a way to keep the beta males from revolting, even if all the are doing is playing video games and jacking off to porn. It's enough to keep the delusion going.

So where does that leave us? Yes, sex is fun. But we all know what really happens when you are fucking a lot of women. Women sense it, and want you. Men also sense it, and respect you. Historically, the men who got the most pussy were leaders.

Being a player can be fun, but it is a path to power - the kind of power necessary to overcome the present nihilism and degeneracy of modern society. The revolutionary army of tomorrow will be composed of broken-hearted beta males. It doesn't take much to convince a man that wholesale destruction is a lot more fun than youporn.