Post: #26

One thing I've noticed from online profiles is that a lot of short girls really dig tall guys. If I see that a chick wants a guy 180cm and over - I'll check her height, and bingo, she is almost always around five foot nothing.

More on the topic of girls trash-talking short guys, it's really a reflection of Western women's entitlement more than anything else. Feminist society opens the floodgates to all kinds of bitching with no negative consequences.

Post: #27

(07-01-2012 06:37 PM)houston Wrote:  I see GUYS on there hating on short guys! What the fuck. I'm 5'8 and never had a girl say anything about my height until I started messing around online dating sites (what a surprise).

If any newbies feel bad about being short, just remember el mechanico is 5'7, I'm 5'8, and Mixx was 5'10.

That is the bad part of the Internet and Game.

There are way too many weirdos obsessing about things that are not a big deal at all.

Almost all the guys I have known in my life that have swoop mass girls were 6'0 and under.

I know some tall players too, but I would say I could name 3-5 guys under 6'0 for ever player I have known over 6'4.

I refuse to watch any of those weesh "infield" videos people post.

I actually think watching those makes people's Game worse.

Post: #28

Women submit to dominant men.

And modern American women - being the most dominant of all women - naturally need to submit to an even more dominant man to satiate their reptilian hindbrains.

In patriarchal, non-feminized cultures where men still command respect, a man is assumed alpha until he proves otherwise.

In the feminized West where men are scorned, a man is assumed beta until he proves otherwise.

This is why American women lust for exaggerated caricatures of hypermasculinity - really tall guys, roid monkeys, thugs, outlaws, criminals, drug dealers etc. These are the only guys who project dominance on sight.

Every other guy is assumed beta by default.

The threshold for dominance is much higher in America today than anywhere in the civilized world.

Post: #29

I haven't dated many tall girls, but do guys believe they feel self conscious of their height as well?

Post: #30

I have mentioned on here before that one of the biggest players I have ever met was like 5'6 or so.

Mad confidence and Game.

Swooped mad West Coast swimsuit models.

One of my great friends, a little older than me, and was kind of a mentor.

Height ain't sh*t.

He was like a white version of Eazy E. Same swagger and attitude.

True Hustler.

We actually called him "Easy".





Update:

You know what is interesting?

Look at NWA.

Who was the top Alpha in that group of Alphas?

Eazy-E.

The shortest cat.

Again, Height ain't sh*t.

Post: #31

(07-01-2012 09:16 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-01-2012 06:37 PM)houston Wrote:  I see GUYS on there hating on short guys! What the fuck. I'm 5'8 and never had a girl say anything about my height until I started messing around online dating sites (what a surprise).

If any newbies feel bad about being short, just remember el mechanico is 5'7, I'm 5'8, and Mixx was 5'10.

That is the bad part of the Internet and Game.

There are way too many weirdos obsessing about things that are not a big deal at all.

Almost all the guys I have known in my life that have swoop mass girls were 6'0 and under.

I know some tall players too, but I would say I could name 3-5 guys under 6'0 for ever player I have known over 6'4.

I refuse to watch any of those weesh "infield" videos people post.

I actually think watching those makes people's Game worse.

Wait a minute Gmanifesto. Are you saying this PUA video won't help a newbie? Just look at his stylish clothes and listen to the words flowing from his mouth.

Post: #32

But Houston, look at how big and tall he is...

Post: #33

(07-01-2012 09:44 PM)Samseau Wrote:  But Houston, look at how big and tall he is...

I heard from a reliable PUA source that he walks into bars and clubs and short guys under 5'10 leave. It's no competition and they're intimidated by his height Shit, I wouldn't even want to be the last man in the club competing with him...

Post: #34

(07-01-2012 09:19 PM)Kissinger Wrote:  I haven't dated many tall girls, but do guys believe they feel self conscious of their height as well?

I would say yes...women that are taller than the average are often self-conscious, especially if they are goofy looking. They'll tend to slouch and try to hide as best they can. If she's attractive, she probably deals with it better, but will still complain about not getting approached, or not getting dates, etc. Most women don't want to be taller than the man that they're with, and plenty of guys struggle with that also.

Post: #35

(07-01-2012 09:17 PM)Wayne Dennis Wrote:  Women submit to dominant men.

And modern American women - being the most dominant of all women - naturally need to submit to an even more dominant man to satiate their reptilian hindbrains.

In patriarchal, non-feminized cultures where men still command respect, a man is assumed alpha until he proves otherwise.

In the feminized West where men are scorned, a man is assumed beta until he proves otherwise.

This is why American women lust for exaggerated caricatures of hypermasculinity - really tall guys, roid monkeys, thugs, outlaws, criminals, drug dealers etc. These are the only guys who project dominance on sight.

Every other guy is assumed beta by default.

The threshold for dominance is much higher in America today than anywhere in the civilized world.

Excellent post, welcome to the forum!

Post: #36

(07-01-2012 09:54 PM)houston Wrote:  

(07-01-2012 09:44 PM)Samseau Wrote:  But Houston, look at how big and tall he is...

I heard from a reliable PUA source that he walks into bars and clubs and short guys under 5'10 leave. It's no competition and they're intimidated by his height Shit, I wouldn't even want to be the last man in the club competing with him...

Height is just one of many factors in game. You could say height ain't shit, which would be true if you have other aspects of who you are handled. Otherwise we may as just say looks ain't shit, money ain't shit, style ain't shit, charisma ain't shit. I could go on.

How tall are you G? I asked you in the last height thread and you never responded?

Here's a look at recent world leaders and height. You be the judge. By the way, Putin is 5'7".

Post: #37

(07-01-2012 09:22 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  You know what is interesting?

Look at NWA.

Who was the top Alpha in that group of Alphas?

Eazy-E.

The shortest cat.

Again, Height ain't sh*t.

A shit ton of sick Emcees are short dudes, coming up in the hood if you can't play sports, you got to rap, or find some kind of other hustle.

Tupac was only 5 ft 10 in., although he wore timberlands all the time, and exaggerated his height.

Some rappers that are on the short side, just off the top of my head:

Guru (gangstarr), Royce the 5 9', Buckshot, Del Tha Funky Homosapien, Eminem, and ofcourse Too Short, plenty that aren't coming to mind.

Post: #38

I'm curious as to how these girls define "short", especially after seeing this tweet:

Ms.Chairdeline ‏@Sheeprise
"Hates short guys. =_= even though they are taller A BIT. I want a 170cm tall guy"

170cm = 5'5.7.", or about 5 foot 6.

This one has more stringent standards.

•Taylar• ‏@GetEmTayy
"Guys under 5'7<<< wat the fuck can your short ass do???"

This one even more so:

JASMINE ‏@jasminex3
"Short guys <<< you need to be at least 5'8 & up.. "

And this one is the strictest yet:

Gabby Bieber ‏@GaBeeVee
"@Amazing_Kristin: If I was a guy I'd wanna be 5'10+ lol Guys just aren't suppose to be short to me..."

So what is the threshold below which a guy is at risk of being considered short by a large proportion of western women? 5'8" and below? The average male height in the USA is 5'10", and no western country seems to go below 5'9".

Post: #39

Anyone got pictures of the people talking shit on Twitter? I don't know how to work that wack ass website.

Post: #40

(07-01-2012 11:26 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  I'm curious as to how these girls define "short", especially after seeing this tweet:

Ms.Chairdeline ‏@Sheeprise
"Hates short guys. =_= even though they are taller A BIT. I want a 170cm tall guy"

170cm = 5'5.7.", or about 5 foot 6.

This one has more stringent standards.

•Taylar• ‏@GetEmTayy
"Guys under 5'7<<< wat the fuck can your short ass do???"

This one even more so:

JASMINE ‏@jasminex3
"Short guys <<< you need to be at least 5'8 & up.. "

And this one is the strictest yet:

Gabby Bieber ‏@GaBeeVee
"@Amazing_Kristin: If I was a guy I'd wanna be 5'10+ lol Guys just aren't suppose to be short to me...

So I 100% agree height in the long-term sense isn't shit but like most extreme comments this needs to be caveated.

I am 5'9.5" inches to be exact. This puts me dead center of average height for America there for i do not get a height bump nor do i get a height minus. Roughly speaking if you are 5'8 to 5'10) no change, sub this range and you are starting to be called short.

In terms of height being a "bonus" you need to hit ~6' 1". I believe MIXX had a post on this and I've found 6'1" to be the sweet spot. Unless you have veteran level game I would actually encourage cheating once and while if you're in a rut (intermediate). What you do is use socks in your shoes (holler at old school dudes who used to wear basketball shoes with 15 pairs of socks to fit in their hand me downs!). Anyway, you can simply use this to get your foot to mold and add up a few inches. All it really does is get you some more eye contact and make more women approachable.

Long-term this is a waste of time as you should actually adopt the ego-less player approach (fearless) and simply talk up every cute girl you see.

Anyway pretty long rant, but basically the jist is this:
1. Vet player - Height ain't shit
2. Intermediate - Use lifts to get out of ruts if you're in one
3. Beginner - Probably best to avoid unhealthy boosters like walking in lifts since you'll rely on it in the future and you will damage your self esteem.

I have no shame in saying that I lift it up when I haven't gotten laid in a few weeks. But that of course is slowly changing so I use them maybe 2-3 times a year. If i started from the get go with them... i'd probably fuck up my Achilles and rely on it.

Post: #41

In general as long as you are their height, preferably in heels, then it is not a positive or a negative either way. For each inch you add above their height, give yourself a +1 to your height score™. For each inch you are shorter than them, -1 to your height score™.

New term. Height score™. Yes, it's a relative score. The height score™, is probably the only attribute we can actually quantify in all of game. Unlike even money, it is universal to the entire world. A +3 height score™ in America is the same in China.

Remember, just because you have a low or a high height score™ doesn't mean you don't have other pluses or minuses in other attributes. Maybe you have charisma. Maybe you have a good looking face. Maybe you are ripped. Maybe you are rich. Maybe you wear custom suits or have a niche style. Or, maybe not. You can have a high score and still suck, or the opposite. It's just we can't measure the other attributes, except maybe your penis score™.

Even that is relative. Huge vagina's dude.

Post: #42

(07-01-2012 10:54 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

Just as an aside, that picture is awesome for body language. It is like the equivalent of two male lions sizing each other up. Not even a hint of passivity from either of them.

Post: #43

(07-01-2012 10:54 PM)durangotang Wrote:  Height is just one of many factors in game. You could say height ain't shit, which would be true if you have other aspects of who you are handled. Otherwise we may as just say looks ain't shit, money ain't shit, style ain't shit, charisma ain't shit. I could go on.

Of course it is.

It is one you have no control over which is why people should not obsess over it.

That is why I focus on things you can control: Fitness, Boxing, Custom Suits, Smoking, Game, Money.

Quote:How tall are you G? I asked you in the last height thread and you never responded?

Maybe I didn't see it. Or maybe it's because I have answered it on here many times for people.

5'11.

Post: #44

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i can't bear to watch this dude, he's so fucking gay.

Post: #45

I have nothing against short dudes, apart from sometimes they have a big chip on their shoulder about it. Especially English Indians/Pakistanis, man they are so aggressive sometimes, you just wanna push them in the Thames.

Post: #46

(07-02-2012 09:20 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  It is one you have no control over which is why people should not obsess over it.

I couldn't agree more.

Post: #47

Quote:
© okcupid.com

no one should give a shit. as long as she isnt towering over you, its enough. that means smaller choice for the guys at the low end of the spectrum, but these figures suggest that its really not that important in >> real life <<. the messaging results just show their hamster and "perfect man list"

i dont know if the graphs are "lie adjusted" (both men and women actually are 2" shorter than they list on okcupid). more statistics. http://blog.okcupid.com
in general, at least in my country online dating sites are a fuckn waste of time

Post: #48

Very interesting Void. I have some difficulty reading the first graph due to poor labeling, but from what I can gather height isn't a big deal for men unless you do internet dating.

The amount of sex partners the short men had were around 8-10, while taller men had around 10-12. Big fucking deal.


Height, it seems, is a MUCH bigger deal for girls then it is men... look at little attention taller girls get versus short girls! Damn, I had no idea it was that bad for tall girls.


Come to think of it, I have been with taller girls in the past. I've always assumed that taller girls would like taller guys, and so I've mostly ignored them. But for the taller girls I have been with (i.e. girls 5'10'' and up) not once did a taller girl bring up height, whereas shorter girls talked about it every now and then.

I did date a girl who was 5'11'' for a month and she told me one of the things she was sensitive about was her height. She thought she was too big.


Looks like taller girls are the untapped niche

Post: #49

Arrogantly giving myself a bump for calling 6'1" as the end of the jump, cool graph dude.

Remember women are more shallow than men when given the time to dive into your life and personality, the more mysterious the better always keep em guessing!

Post: #50

This whole thing is absurd - look at average height across the world:
http://www.disabled-world.com/artman/pub...art.shtml/

Outside of Europe and North America, average male height is 5'7-5'8, which would be considered slightly short in America.

These American women need to be cut down to size in their standards. They want a guy to be tall, in addition to being rich, monogamous, charming, adventurous, and good looking, well traveled, and so on....give me a break.

All American women should be forced to live in Cambodia (and not hang out with just backpacker dudes) for a year...that will straighten things out.