Post: #1

If fucking many girls as possible is being Alpha, wouldn't getting many hot girls pregnant as possible worldwide without paying child support and have rich betas to take your children and ur children's mommies be the ultimate biological Alpha, since spreading your genes and they are being taken care of?

Post: #2

I knew a guy that did this. Not sure how many kids he has now, but it's a ridiculous amount.

Post: #3

What was he like? Is he doing it and did he have pay loads of support?

Post: #4

I'd be very surprised if I don't have some kids running around the upper midwest.

Fake names in towns where no one knew me while raw dogging the local talent probably wasn't the smartest thing, but I have yet to be served papers.

Post: #5

Roissy wrote something about this and concluded that no, saying that guys with lots of (legal or illegal) kids are automatically Alphas would imply that guys who get morbidly obese, extremely undesirable and etc. women pregnant are thus Alphas for dumpster-diving. I generally agree with him. Being Alpha, in the sense of sexual market, is best defined as fucking (or having real and not "sour grapes" ability to) many young hot girls.

Can't find the article right now, anyone has it?

Post: #6

Depends on the quality of the offspring, really.

I mean yes, the more reproductively successful you are... the more reproductively successful you are. The reason the line between alpha/beta is grey and not black is because they are two evolutionary strategies which are in constant flux, between them forming an evolutionarily stable society.

More cads eventually leads to more dads, which eventually leads to more cads. Whenever one is dominant, the other is advantageous.

In terms of reproductive success, if you have kids with someone and leave them with a cuckold that puts them in a microwave, you aren't successful reproductively. If you have 50 kids and they're all infertile, you're genetically unsuccessful. If you have one kid with a high quality woman and your son goes on to have fifty kids, you're genetically successful. If your only daughter has three kids by a drugdealing psycho, then more of your genes get passed on than if you have a daughter with a super rich husband who never had kids. It is all variable.

Post: #7

But if you get 50 hot girls pregnant, you are successful regardless, because many of your children will become dirty hot sluts or players and repeat the same behavior and keep the cycle going, because women grew up in single parents or unstable family often become sluts and do risky behaviors, similarly boys become bad boys and do delinquent shit. Of course so girls u got prego will get rich hubbies and ur children become successful maybe. It is alpha cuz u are making fuck load of children with hot girls and ur children will do the same. It is less alpha if it is with average or fuglies.

Post: #8

You can try the whole, "Knock her up, let her find a beta to raise the kid" strategy, but see how "alpha" you feel if it backfires and you're paying 25% of your income to child support.

Post: #9

Nah that's not cool. Just fuck, don't knock up.
Don't read so much evolutionary shit, and if you do don't take it so literally.

Post: #10

Why do you want to knock up so many women to become Alpha? You can't get any more Alpha than this:

Post: #11

By this logic prodigious contributors to semen banks are the ultimate alphas.

Post: #12

This is a common attitude among many guys down in Jamaica, its also the country with the highest rate of illegitimate children in the world.

Post: #13

(06-26-2012 09:40 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Roissy wrote something about this and concluded that no, saying that guys with lots of (legal or illegal) kids are automatically Alphas would imply that guys who get morbidly obese, extremely undesirable and etc. women pregnant are thus Alphas for dumpster-diving. I generally agree with him. Being Alpha, in the sense of sexual market, is best defined as fucking (or having real and not "sour grapes" ability to) many young hot girls.

Can't find the article right now, anyone has it?

Roissy can say what he likes about the alpha/procreator theory, and I won't disagree that impregnating whales is less than impressive. Likewise, merely siring a bunch of children is not sufficient to deem one an alpha male, especially given the fact that any beta male (using societal restrictions to enforce strict monogamy and his exclusive access to a given woman as a patriarch without competition or her having much say in the matter) can accomplish this.

However, I don't buy the idea that reproductive success is not linked to any objective measure of "alpha". While it is not a sufficient condition, I do think it is a somewhat necessary one, at least if one is to try and reach the full potential of what it means to be an "alpha male".

Reproduction is the actual purpose of sex. Only within the last 30 or so years has technology managed to separate reproduction from the sexual act, and even then that separation is only really consistently available to a sliver of earth's population (read: relatively well-off inhabitants of progressive, first-world societies and a few elites within developing nations-perhaps 1 or so billion of earth's 7+ billion people). Procreation is the end to which all measures of "alpha" that we go on and on about in evo-psych/game/the manosphere are aimed.

"Alpha", by definition = reproductively desirable male with a greater chance of siring more offspring and finding more women to carry them. Attraction is merely part of the "alpha male's" ability, and that ability to attract is not actually meant to be the alpha's end in and of itself. That ability to attact many women is actually designed to facilitate sexual access, which in turn is meant to facilitate reproduction. The alpha's ability to attract many young, hot women (which Roissy states is sufficient as an end or as a definition of "alpha") only exists as a result of his expressed traits of reproductive fitness-in other words, these women are drawn to him because they subconsciously (or consciously) sense his reproductive fitness, and desire his seed (while the alpha himself is drawn consciously or otherwise to said young, hot women for their reproductive fitness as well).

On a purely biological level, the alpha is, by definition, built to do much more than merely attract many women or fuck many women. Those are not ends, but rather means to a single, final end: He is built to impregnate many women.

This is the actual point of it all: Procreation.

In the modern west, moving to this logical conclusion of "alphadom" is too costly for most men (and women, arguably) and also heavily socialized out of them. This is why we have reduced the scope of what it means to be alpha to just achieving a high notch count (or merely being able to achieve a high notch count). While the reality goes beyond this (to reproduction), it is more practical in our day to assume it does not, so this is what we do. I find this state of things exceedingly empty, largely meaningless and mildly depressing, but understand that it really cannot be helped.
In other societies, men are still able to safely realize the full potential of what we call 'alpha', and bring it to its logical conclusion (reproduction) on a more regular basis.

It is one thing to be able to seduce and attract a lot of pretty women. It is another entirely to be able to sire children with many such women. That is the next level, IMO, and the one I personally find much more worthy of aiming for. The alpha male is, by definition, designed for precisely this aim. When one concludes that merely attracting many women or fucking a bunch is sufficient to the final definition of "alpha", one tells just part of the story-an important part, but still merely a portion. Simply attracting and/or fucking a ton of women is great and constitutes a necessary ability to be considered an alpha, but it is not the end for which the "alpha" came into being. That end is reproduction.

(07-01-2012 12:31 AM)scotian Wrote:  This is a common attitude among many guys down in Jamaica, its also the country with the highest rate of illegitimate children in the world.

Being of Jamaican heritage myself, I can a) confirm this and b) posit that this may very well be a genetic phenomenon, something that is bred into us.
That I can still maintain this attitude myself in spite of my upbringing (only 6 of 21 years alive spent in Jamaica, most of life spent amongst affluent white people who operate with diametrically opposite mentality, etc) tells me there's more to it than just circumstance. We're prone to be this way almost anywhere we go.

Some humans are, by nature, just more heavily inclined to want to breed more expansively. Jamaicans are among them, or at least that is my hunch.

Post: #14

(06-30-2012 08:38 AM)Samseau Wrote:  You can try the whole, "Knock her up, let her find a beta to raise the kid" strategy, but see how "alpha" you feel if it backfires and you're paying 25% of your income to child support.

Dude, but when u get more 10 girls prego, they can't get much out of child support from u, but u will be spending up to 50% of ur income on them, that is why u have betas for. If she is getting enough from the beta, she won't need ur money. Plus you can be always on the run, you raw dog 5 bitches one city, another 5 in another city, rinse and repeat, then do it at the international level. I am not saying u should do it, but u can. Yes,u can go jail for not paying CS, but when there are 20 bitches with ur kids and u make average wage, they are not gonna get shit even they got ur money. Dude, I read a story a guy who had 30 kids with 10 women and he makes minimum wage, it seems like women knows he is deadbeat yet they still fuck him raw. He has to have some swag or game skill to get 10 bitches prego, I bet he fucked way more than that, I mean most guys don't even fuck more than 10 girls in their whole lifetime.
link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.../desmon...528850....
A reproductive alpha is one who has the most successful offspring quality and quantity wise. But when u get enough hot bitches pregnant, some of them are bound to be successful at getting rich nice guys to care of them and they will make hot and slutty or alpha kids who continue the cycle even without rich step-dads.

Post: #15

I wonder how many guys on here are going in raw overseas and spreading their seeds around the world.