Post: #1

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/d...will_.html

I lived in Quebec (Montreal) for some time and it was a great place to be. However, this recent ruling is fucking absurd. Basically if you're living with a girl for a year and you split up, then she is entitled to everything that a married woman would be entitled to. Disgusting.

Aside from getting the $400,000 in child support per year she also was awarded the $56,000/month (672,000/year) in alimony payments she requested, ON TOP OF the $20MM as lump sum. I really hope the ruling is overturned. This is the last straw.

Post: #2

Edit: That feminist paper took off the article from the homepage within minutes of it being online. Here is a copy:

I Don’t!
How a bizarre legal case involving a mysterious billionaire could force 1.2 million Canadians to be married, against their will.
By Lili Boisvert|Posted Thursday, May 24, 2012, at 12:01 PM ET

An astonishing 34.6 percent of all Quebec couples are de facto couples
Photograph by George Doyle/Stockbyte.

Somewhere in North America, there is a place where little girls don’t give the slightest thought to what kind of wedding dress they’ll wear one day. A place where young men have never heard the expression: “why buy the cow when you can have the milk for free?”—because the milk is always free. A place where no one asks an unmarried couple expecting a baby if they’re getting hitched.

This place is the province of Quebec. The French language spoken here is no guarantee for romance. Couples are practical, and lovers treasure their individuality. Quebec has become one of the least marrying places in the world, thanks to the institution known as “de facto spouses,” But now, thanks to a bizarre legal case entangling a Quebec billionaire and his de facto spouse , the freedom to un-marry is under threat. More than 1 million Quebecois in this kind of relationship may soon be automatically married by the state, against their will.

De facto spouses are defined by Quebec’s law as two people who have been living together for a year or more without being married and who check the “couple” box on their income tax statement form. Quebec’s lawmakers have deliberately chosen not to give de facto couples the same rights and responsibilities that married couples have under the Law of Quebec, to preserve the freedom of choice. Upon the termination of a relationship, “no matter how long cohabitation has lasted, de facto spouses have no legal support obligation to each other, even if one spouse is in need and the other has a high income.” Quebec is the only province in Canada where spousal support payments are not recognized by law for de facto spouses.
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Other countries also recognize the status of common-law couples, including France and the Scandinavian nations. In the United States, common law marriage is a legal status in a minority of states.

The very religious province of Quebec traditionally perceived de facto spouses as a threat to the social order. But the “Quiet Revolution” starting in the 1960s led to a radical rejection of the church, a decline in religious weddings, and a reform of the Family Law that introduced the notion of de facto unions in 1979. The status gained more recognition during the e’80s and ’90s, mostly thanks to lobbying by gay rights advocates.
The institution has become wildly popular in Quebec, for gays and straights. An astonishing 34.6 percent of all Quebec couples are de facto couples, and one half of couples under 40 are not married. A full 60 percent of Quebec children are born out of wedlock.

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In 2002, “Eric” and “Lola” put an end to their decade-long de facto union. (These are pseudonyms used by the media, because Canadian law forbids the publication of the couple’s real names to protect the privacy of their children.) Lola, a Latin American woman, met Eric, a world-famous billionaire, when she was only 17 and he was 32. Although she wanted to get married throughout their relationship, Eric, who claims like many Quebecois that he “doesn’t believe in marriage,” refused.

When the separation occurred, Lola didn’t take it lying down. She decided to challenge Quebec’s law and ask for everything a married woman would have been entitled to. Her lawyers claimed that the provincial law discriminates against unmarried couples. The first provincial court to hear the case saw it otherwise. In 2009, The Supreme Court of Quebec rejected Lola’s claim for $56,000 (Canadian) per month for herself and $50 million as a lump sum. Eric was already giving her $411,000 per year as child-support payments for their three kids.

Lola appealed that court’s decision, and in 2010, the appeals court of the province sided with her. That decision suggested that every other person in a de facto couple had the same rights as her, or the same obligations as Eric. In other words, it invalidated the province’s law that one de facto spouse never has to support another when they split up. Groups that defend single mothers and children’s rights applauded the ruling.

The Quebec government, however, was astounded. The provincial Justice Minister, Jean-Marc Fournier, declared that the appeal court decision would harm the individual’s right to choose what kind of matrimonial state they want for themselves. The Quebec government has appealed the decision to the Supreme Court of Canada, which will rule on it by July.

The sums of money involved make Eric and Lola’s case somewhat absurd to the average Canadian. But it could shape the lives of the 1.2 million Quebecois in de facto couples, making them as good as married, even though neither of them exchanged rings or asked the other person’s permission to spend their lives together.

Ever practical, Quebec’s lovebirds are taking precautions. Linda, a 43-year-old woman in Longueuil, moved in with her boyfriend a couple of months ago. He told her that he is going to make her sign a legal document to protect himself in case the “Eric and Lola trial” turns out in favor of Lola. Linda wasn’t shocked and she wasn’t insulted. Being a de facto spouse is normal, the modern way to go. “His legal paper, he can bring it on! If he wouldn’t have suggested it, maybe I would have.” She is happy not to be married, and happy not to be obliged to provide for him.

Post: #3

Wow, just wow...I'm speechless...this is beyond belief. What next? If you date a girl for a month or 2, when dump her, she will sue your ass and get half your stuff? While an extreme example, I wouldn't be surprised if something like this were to see the light in this feminazi hell hole that is North America...

Post: #4

Easy solution:

Even Scaramanga only charged $1m per hit.

Post: #5

This teaches a lesson and almost forces us as men to remain players for life.

Post: #6

Is this for real???
Just stop this madness for fuck sake.

Post: #7

I learn something everyday on here.

This shit cray.

Post: #8

"Eric was already giving her $411,000 per year as child-support payments for their three kids."

Child support, you say?

Post: #9

I love Quebec but I hate the politics there, this is just another example why. I'm don't think that this law applies in the rest of Canada as we are under common law and Quebec has their own "code civil".

Quebec also has some other weird laws such as; a woman, if she marries, cannot take her husbands last name, she legally has to retain her maiden name (I think Switzerland has a similar law). I don't know why this is but you'll run into a lot of Quebecers with hyphenated last names, makes for long name bars on the back of hockey jerseys; "Tremblay-Gagnon", "Levesque-Pelletier", etc.

Every time I see Quebec in the news I want to shoot the TV, lately its been the student protests, not sure if they're planning on separating anytime soon or not.

Post: #10

(05-25-2012 09:34 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  This teaches a lesson and almost forces us as men to remain players for life.

El mech - I completely agree with you. Honestly, marriage is completely out of the question for the rest of my life. The more I fuck girls from completely different social and cultural backgrounds, the more I come to realize that there's nothing special about any individual girl that I would risk losing half of my fortune to. Even 10%. And how a guy can fuck the same girl year after year is completely beyond me.

I've come a long way from a year ago.

Post: #11

Can't marry 'em, Can't live with 'em, pretty soon we're gonna be paying alimony just for sticking your dick in 'em.

Post: #12

You guys are suffering from being a victims of your own success.

As more and more men respond to feminazism by opting out of the system, dont think that for one minute women and their beta white knighter communist socialistic fascists will take it lying down.

They are simply going to lower the bar in order to capture men's resources.

Look out for these trends on the way.

1. Alimony and child support even if never married, kid is not yours - but you helped raise or had a relationship with the kid, if you dated her for a period greater than 1 year, .....

2. Travel restrictions: you will not be able to travel abroad due to taxes on travel, TSA, IRS, Homeland security, etc. etc. - you will not be able even to bring in foreign women - VAWA - etc.

Women aren't going to yield and the legal bureacracy staffed by beta and omegas will allow you off the hook - they will simply escalate and enslave you.

Post: #13

(05-26-2012 08:21 AM)alphaspiraton Wrote:  

(05-25-2012 09:34 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  This teaches a lesson and almost forces us as men to remain players for life.

El mech - I completely agree with you. Honestly, marriage is completely out of the question for the rest of my life. The more I fuck girls from completely different social and cultural backgrounds, the more I come to realize that there's nothing special about any individual girl that I would risk losing half of my fortune to. Even 10%. And how a guy can fuck the same girl year after year is completely beyond me.

I've come a long way from a year ago.

Glad to hear it. I think it boils down to some dudes just have to have that ol' lady in their life. I talk to my married cousins and can't believe the shit they put up with. One of them just lost all his spending privileges the other day when his wife revoked his access to money. they both make 100k+ and have payments that equal that. He has to fake car repairs to get some cash through me from her. But ya know if they broke up he would be right in a ltr in a couple months.

Another ones wife left him a couple years ago and he moved to Ohio to marry some girl my aunt knew from work within a few months. I asked why? He said he doesn't like watching TV by himself and eating. Swansons Salisbury for one is not his thing. I like Salisbury steak and have more fun drunk texting girls than I do hanging out with them so....I guess from the outside looking in I'm the one with a problem.

Post: #14

(05-26-2012 02:10 PM)kdolo Wrote:  You guys are suffering from being a victims of your own success.

As more and more men respond to feminazism by opting out of the system, dont think that for one minute women and their beta white knighter communist socialistic fascists will take it lying down.

They are simply going to lower the bar in order to capture men's resources.

Look out for these trends on the way.

1. Alimony and child support even if never married, kid is not yours - but you helped raise or had a relationship with the kid, if you dated her for a period greater than 1 year, .....

2. Travel restrictions: you will not be able to travel abroad due to taxes on travel, TSA, IRS, Homeland security, etc. etc. - you will not be able even to bring in foreign women - VAWA - etc.

Women aren't going to yield and the legal bureacracy staffed by beta and omegas will allow you off the hook - they will simply escalate and enslave you.

I think you're over doing it a bit here.

Post: #15

The older I get the more I enjoy my privacy. I don't think I could handle a woman being around me all the time.

Post: #16

this is part of the reason i enjoy the rise of East Asia. They will never allow shit like this

Post: #17

(05-26-2012 02:30 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  The older I get the more I enjoy my privacy. I don't think I could handle a woman being around me all the time.

You're set in your ways. That means you're creepy and a perv if you get laid.

Post: #18

(05-26-2012 02:33 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  You're set in your ways. That means you're creepy and a perv if you get laid.

and my parents said I would never amount to anything. Marriage, for me, was hell on earth.

Post: #19

Was today at the park with the family with the cousins, aunts and the whole gang for a barbequeue and at one point, everybody, my aunts, married cousins, female cousins all turned towards me and gave me a life lecture for half an hour on the urgency for me to settle down, to get married and having kids. And that it was time for me to stop travelling around the world and being a player/bachelor. For most of the time, I was just brushing them off with jokes but at one point, got really pissed and almost left the park. Do you guys in here who are in your 30's and beyond, who are still living the international playboy lifestyle, also get the now it's time to settle down talk from relatives?

ElMec, I simply fail to comprehend how can a grown up adult, gets told by his wife how to spend his OWN money. That to me is simply beyond logic. I will never ever allow a woman, no matter how hot she may be, to tell me how to spend my own money or not to do things or see such and such. How can guys let themselves go like that? Don't these guys have any pride? It's guys like these which are our greatest threat.

Post: #20

Its happening here in Australia already.

6 months of cohabitation is enough for her to be classified as common law wife, and from there she can make your life hell. She could move into a home you own and not own a thing in it, and a call to the cops citing domestic abuse would see you kicked out with restraining orders against you. You dont even need to marry them anymore, just live with them.

Im packing it in over the next couple of years and moving.

Post: #21

(05-26-2012 02:24 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 02:10 PM)kdolo Wrote:  You guys are suffering from being a victims of your own success.

As more and more men respond to feminazism by opting out of the system, dont think that for one minute women and their beta white knighter communist socialistic fascists will take it lying down.

They are simply going to lower the bar in order to capture men's resources.

Look out for these trends on the way.

1. Alimony and child support even if never married, kid is not yours - but you helped raise or had a relationship with the kid, if you dated her for a period greater than 1 year, .....

2. Travel restrictions: you will not be able to travel abroad due to taxes on travel, TSA, IRS, Homeland security, etc. etc. - you will not be able even to bring in foreign women - VAWA - etc.

Women aren't going to yield and the legal bureacracy staffed by beta and omegas will allow you off the hook - they will simply escalate and enslave you.

I think you're over doing it a bit here.

I provided evidence for my point. where is yours ?

Post: #22

(05-26-2012 10:43 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  Was today at the park with the family with the cousins, aunts and the whole gang for a barbequeue and at one point, everybody, my aunts, married cousins, female cousins all turned towards me and gave me a life lecture for half an hour on the urgency for me to settle down, to get married and having kids. And that it was time for me to stop travelling around the world and being a player/bachelor. For most of the time, I was just brushing them off with jokes but at one point, got really pissed and almost left the park. Do you guys in here who are in your 30's and beyond, who are still living the international playboy lifestyle, also get the now it's time to settle down talk from relatives?

ElMec, I simply fail to comprehend how can a grown up adult, gets told by his wife how to spend his OWN money. That to me is simply beyond logic. I will never ever allow a woman, no matter how hot she may be, to tell me how to spend my own money or not to do things or see such and such. How can guys let themselves go like that? Don't these guys have any pride? It's guys like these which are our greatest threat.

Dont get mad. It just women expressing their psychological discomfort with the idea that a man can have resources and use them solely on himself and not women and children. This is a big threat to women if men cease marrying and having kids - but simply spend their money and bangs - that means that women will have to fend for themselves and wont have kids with which to extort resources from men - the comments from the women have nothing to do with you personally - basic shaming language

Post: #23

Quebec has antiquated Common Law remember (some USA States are under this to I believe; Louisiana a modified version). The issue is that it does not re-analyze shit, its all still based on ancient and school stuff. If you think about it no man lived with a female unless they we're married.. this is how that whole shit came to pass. You can settle more favorable arrangements in common law marriages I believe but naturally things will fuck you over if your not on top of the rules that apply to you. Or.. don't be having women live with you for more than 8 months... unless she is raising her child .. why?

My French homie says that women would go spend a few months with their mothers back in small town Quebec, he would claim this would be a big enough loop hole to established her whiten a bonded arrangement. It all gets factored into when taxes are done, if couples are dubious and just do things together then the Men set them selves up to get had. But if you do things separately tick off the necessary boxes all is good. If the female is happy she won't give a shit or question anything that would be the difference between traditional French-Canadian women and their counterparts. culturally it would be easier to protect your neck if you know your shit.

The same shit softly applies in regular Canadian and British laws also. After a certain amount of time the female will be able to re-coup shit from you.. again it comes down to taxes and how you establish yourself to the Govt tho. Majority of people are obvious to these types of things, this was all stuff Men knew back in the day as they wanted to ensure each penny for their family and not for any whores they had kicking around.

Post: #24

(05-27-2012 12:07 PM)kdolo Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 02:24 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 02:10 PM)kdolo Wrote:  You guys are suffering from being a victims of your own success.

As more and more men respond to feminazism by opting out of the system, dont think that for one minute women and their beta white knighter communist socialistic fascists will take it lying down.

They are simply going to lower the bar in order to capture men's resources.

Look out for these trends on the way.

1. Alimony and child support even if never married, kid is not yours - but you helped raise or had a relationship with the kid, if you dated her for a period greater than 1 year, .....

2. Travel restrictions: you will not be able to travel abroad due to taxes on travel, TSA, IRS, Homeland security, etc. etc. - you will not be able even to bring in foreign women - VAWA - etc.

Women aren't going to yield and the legal bureacracy staffed by beta and omegas will allow you off the hook - they will simply escalate and enslave you.

I think you're over doing it a bit here.

I provided evidence for my point. where is yours ?

I am the evidence. I travel wherever I want, throw girls off my porch when they piss me off, have custody of my kid via courts and pay no support and have never been tossed from my house or had anything taken from me. I know immigration atts that told me I could bring any girl here I want.

Where's your evidence? Just because you read some shit online doesn't mean it applies to everyone. Just the dumb shits who are getting the fucking.

Post: #25

(05-27-2012 12:31 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(05-27-2012 12:07 PM)kdolo Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 02:24 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(05-26-2012 02:10 PM)kdolo Wrote:  You guys are suffering from being a victims of your own success.

As more and more men respond to feminazism by opting out of the system, dont think that for one minute women and their beta white knighter communist socialistic fascists will take it lying down.

They are simply going to lower the bar in order to capture men's resources.

Look out for these trends on the way.

1. Alimony and child support even if never married, kid is not yours - but you helped raise or had a relationship with the kid, if you dated her for a period greater than 1 year, .....

2. Travel restrictions: you will not be able to travel abroad due to taxes on travel, TSA, IRS, Homeland security, etc. etc. - you will not be able even to bring in foreign women - VAWA - etc.

Women aren't going to yield and the legal bureacracy staffed by beta and omegas will allow you off the hook - they will simply escalate and enslave you.

I think you're over doing it a bit here.

I provided evidence for my point. where is yours ?

I am the evidence. I travel wherever I want, throw girls off my porch when they piss me off, have custody of my kid via courts and pay no support and have never been tossed from my house or had anything taken from me. I know immigration atts that told me I could bring any girl here I want.

Where's your evidence? Just because you read some shit online doesn't mean it applies to everyone. Just the dumb shits who are getting the fucking.

Dude, you probably got custody because your old baby mama was one FUCKED UP BITCH. No offense to you, of course.

Let me guess - she probably did mad drugs, and you kept record of them to use against her in court.

But let's be real - you were lucky in getting custody.