Post: #51

I like him, though the way he pronounces "human", dropping the "h" always makes me laugh to myself. "Unlocking the yuman mind".

Post: #52

Here's another good Icke video that is similar to what Alex Jones said on his latest appearance on Joe Rogan:

Post: #53

(03-07-2019 02:33 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Here's another good Icke video that is similar to what Alex Jones said on his latest appearance on Joe Rogan:

It sounds like he is talking about a school of thought that our true self is actually consciousness. We are pure energy and we come to this reality called Earth to experience negative influences in order to spiritually grow.

Our ultimate goal is to love without judgment. That is why we spiritually grow faster when we are experiencing negativity.

Our bodies are connected to our main consciousness even though we are purposely dumbed down when we are in this reality. Supposedly it helps in learning to not remember where we come from and why we are here.

Our life plan is developed ahead of time. It includes building up a avatar of sorts. That is what he means by David not being his true self even if his main consciousness remembers all the experiences.

We reincarnate many times with different personas to learn through different experiences.

Roosh may come back as a feminist in his next life.

It's interesting because a lot of people think we are in a simulation. This theory would be very similar to that simulation theory.

I've spent a lot of time reading about this theory. It actually makes a lot more sense than the religion I was brought up in.

Post: #54

(03-07-2019 02:57 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(03-07-2019 02:33 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Here's another good Icke video that is similar to what Alex Jones said on his latest appearance on Joe Rogan:

It sounds like he is talking about a school of thought that our true self is actually consciousness. We are pure energy and we come to this reality called Earth to experience negative influences in order to spiritually grow.

Our ultimate goal is to love without judgment. That is why we spiritually grow faster when we are experiencing negativity.

Our bodies are connected to our main consciousness even though we are purposely dumbed down when we are in this reality. Supposedly it helps in learning to not remember where we come from and why we are here.

Our life plan is developed ahead of time. It includes building up a avatar of sorts. That is what he means by David not being his true self even if his main consciousness remembers all the experiences.

We reincarnate many times with different personas to learn through different experiences.

Roosh may come back as a feminist in his next life.

It's interesting because a lot of people think we are in a simulation. This theory would be very similar to that simulation theory.

I've spent a lot of time reading about this theory. It actually makes a lot more sense than the religion I was brought up in.

So in short:

Post: #55

(03-07-2019 02:33 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Here's another good Icke video that is similar to what Alex Jones said on his latest appearance on Joe Rogan:

At about 8 minutes, sound familiar?






or this kid







When I took LSD thirty years ago, I experienced what all three videos are talking about, it was divine, my cheeks hurt the day after from smiling so much, I felt like a purely spiritual being, it was profound, I really can't put into words the depth of that experience. Jill Bolte Taylor does a good job.

It is clear to me that this is what people call a religious experience, except that religion is a man-made construct, you know it instantly after being in that state.

Post: #56

Excellent interview from last year, he goes into Silicon Valley, AI, conspirancies and trangsender stuff.

Post: #57

(03-10-2019 07:58 AM)Zep Wrote:  ...

When I took LSD thirty years ago, I experienced what all three videos are talking about, it was divine, my cheeks hurt the day after from smiling so much, I felt like a purely spiritual being, it was profound, I really can't put into words the depth of that experience. Jill Bolte Taylor does a good job.

It is clear to me that this is what people call a religious experience, except that religion is a man-made construct, you know it instantly after being in that state.

This is the kind of babble that destroyed real religion in the 1960s-70s, a shallow physiological reaction to a powerful, nefarious chemical that's interpreted as some kind of godly revelation.

LSD was engineered by the deep state and actively promoted on the Boomer masses in order to dumb them down and get them to think that frying your brain and navel gazing is "spirituality", and that their parents' "organized" religion was bad.

This was of course incredibly successful, they've managed to dumb down and sidetrack into dead end hippiedom an entire generation.

50 years later, you have Icke and Rogan peddling another dangerous toxic drug, DMT, and more acid "microdozing", with Icke pushing bona fide truth bombs poisoned with dodgy esoteric nonsense and eastern mysticism packaged for rudderless Brits.

PS: Luke Rudowsky is a shill, he's a mason who was exposed by an activist who used to work with him 10 years ago.

Post: #58

I love this guy. He’s got balls of steel.

Post: #59

(05-05-2019 06:31 PM)911 Wrote:  

(03-10-2019 07:58 AM)Zep Wrote:  ...

When I took LSD thirty years ago, I experienced what all three videos are talking about, it was divine, my cheeks hurt the day after from smiling so much, I felt like a purely spiritual being, it was profound, I really can't put into words the depth of that experience. Jill Bolte Taylor does a good job.

It is clear to me that this is what people call a religious experience, except that religion is a man-made construct, you know it instantly after being in that state.

This is the kind of babble that destroyed real religion in the 1960s-70s, a shallow physiological reaction to a powerful, nefarious chemical that's interpreted as some kind of godly revelation.

LSD was engineered by the deep state and actively promoted on the Boomer masses in order to dumb them down and get them to think that frying your brain and navel gazing is "spirituality", and that their parents' "organized" religion was bad.

This was of course incredibly successful, they've managed to dumb down and sidetrack into dead end hippiedom an entire generation.

50 years later, you have Icke and Rogan peddling another dangerous toxic drug, DMT, and more acid "microdozing", with Icke pushing bona fide truth bombs poisoned with dodgy esoteric nonsense and eastern mysticism packaged for rudderless Brits.

PS: Luke Rudowsky is a shill, he's a mason who was exposed by an activist who used to work with him 10 years ago.

Faith must be subject to reason. The Victorians thought that women were more spiritual than men, because they mistook spiritualism for spirituality. Yes, they enjoyed church more than men - but they also enjoyed palm reading and horoscopes.

Emotions can be useful, but they must always be subject to reason. I am not staunchly opposed to hallucinogens, but they're just a chemical. You can use alcohol to have a good bonding experience with your friends, or to make an ass of yourself. And if your 'revelation' from a spiritual experience doesn't accord with reason, then your faith is misplaced.

Always subject your emotions and insights to the harsh analysis of reason. It's not enough to feel good about things - you need to be logical about things

Post: #60

So you think faith and emotions are synonyms?

You don't think someone, some fallible human, can't rationalize himself into error thinking he's reasoning?

What was the motivating force that led apostles just to walk away from their lives when Jesus said "Follow me."?

Reason?

Why did Augustine start reading Bible when he heard a child outside who wasn't talking to him say, "Take up and read, take up and read."?

Reason?

It is pretty straightforward that emotions can lead us astray.

To conflate this with seemingly irrational acts of faith seems just as dangerous as being an overly emotional sensation seeker.

And then there is intuition too, which very often seems to go defiantly against reason. Is this also just an irrational idiosyncratic sense that needs to be reined in by reason?

Or does it have a deeper logic of its own? One that only reveals itself when you have faith in it and take the intuitive leap that makes no sense on the surface.

Is intuition not a faculty that can be developed by trusting it, and doesn't this development come in a way that is closer to faith and more agnostic to reason?

Or how about when you are feeling that God is very far away from you. Can you always reason your way closer?

Or is it something like a song or a poem that can unbind the heart and remind you of the connection in a near instantaneous visceral way?

Does a parent give a crying child an emotionless analysis of their situation or does he just pick the kid up and give a good squeeze?

So if God is our father, will he not, at times, reach us directly through our emotions and not bother with the analysis till later?

This is all food for a really good discussion in which rationality has a part, but if you want to say that it is superior to emotion, faith, intuition, in a person's spiritual walk, that case still needs to be made.

Luckily we have a forum for just this sort of thing.

Post: #61

(03-10-2019 07:58 AM)Zep Wrote:  [quote='Roosh' pid='1949077' dateline='1551987235']

When I took LSD thirty years ago, I experienced what all three videos are talking about, it was divine, my cheeks hurt the day after from smiling so much, I felt like a purely spiritual being, it was profound, I really can't put into words the depth of that experience. Jill Bolte Taylor does a good job.

It is clear to me that this is what people call a religious experience, except that religion is a man-made construct, you know it instantly after being in that state.

I'm against all drugs. You should watch closely the people who are promoting Marijuana, to see what their agenda is. Marijuana gives you an immediate high, but over the long run it makes your life more difficult and unable to deal with the harshness of life. In contrast, you can achieve the same state with meditation, but meditation takes work. But, in contrast to an external drug, meditation makes you better able to deal with the harshness of life, which is the point of meditating.

Contrast, the response of Sadhguru to Jordan Peterson when asked about Marijuana legilization.

Sadhguru comes out clearly against Marijuana and explains in detail why it makes your life worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8xwdYc04B8

Contrast the response of Sadhguru, to that of Jordan Peterson who comes out with shallow reasons why he is in favor of legalization.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bfI-t7Xj7M

David Icke promoting the nonsense that psychodelic drugs opens up your third eye.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32oZC266QtU


The "Prophets" of the West make me want to vomit.

Post: #62

(05-06-2019 01:16 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  snip

Are you replying to me?

"As St. Thomas Aquinas argued, because the light of reason and the light of faith both come from God, there can be no contradiction between them."
~Fides et Ratio, Pope John Paul II

Furthermore, as Fr. Ripperger points out, emotions are of the body and the demons have control of them. Distrust emotions that are disconnected from reason.

Post: #63

In defense of psychedelics.

It’s a double edged sword. Psychedelics allow one to delve deep into their subconcious mind, which generally allows for a glimpse into the greater collective consciousnesses. If undertaken with reverence, a few experiences is enough to help break through the worldly, materialistic conditioning that has ensared our ID.

However, like all profane things, psychedelics present a trap to the wayfarer. One develops a dependence on them to reach altered states of conciousness. Further still, as it is an external object, this dependence breaks down in the Between where we are faced with Source and only Source. It essentially becomes just another addiction, and we are once again grasped by our grasping.

On an esoteric level, one is far more likely to encounter Daemonic energies when partaking in psychedelic medicines. Proper care must be taken with set and setting, lest one become susceptible to the energetic frequencies radiating from fellow wayfarers or the environment itself. There is a Chinese saying, “Partake in cannabis for 100 days to reveal demons” - a phenomena I am, unfortunately, intimately acquainted with.

It is a bit short sighted to decry all psychedelic use. There is tremendously strong evidence that the Abrahamic tradition used similar medicinal concoctions for spirit journeying as the neighboring Egyptians, or the later Hellenistic world. Further still, Cannabis was integral to the Hebrew, as a medicinal balm, material for clothing and rope, as well as a component in the annointing oil.

As with all things, the devil is in the details, specifically dosing in this case.

Post: #64

I used to love tripping. I was into all the Eastern religion bullshit and crypto-satanic babble by CIA assets the likes of Terrence McKenna. I didn't accept Jesus as my saviour until I stopped using these spiritual poisons.

David Icke is a devil worshiper.

Post: #65

New interview, he talks about Progressives, the Democrats, 5G, Fake News, Climate Change, Brexit

Post: #66

(05-06-2019 04:34 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 01:16 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  snip

Are you replying to me?

"As St. Thomas Aquinas argued, because the light of reason and the light of faith both come from God, there can be no contradiction between them."
~Fides et Ratio, Pope John Paul II

Furthermore, as Fr. Ripperger points out, emotions are of the body and the demons have control of them. Distrust emotions that are disconnected from reason.

Yes. You inspired a divine rant.

I think you are putting unnecessary limits on how the big G can reach people.

The inverse of your quotes are just as true. Distrust disconnected reason just as you would distrust disconnected emotions.

God meets people where they are at.

There are plenty of people who can out reason other people, who can make another person's position look foolish, and they can be as far from God as it is possible to be, all the while thinking they are doctrinally correct.

Our corner of the internet skews towards 'best argument wins' and that can end up being like the guy who interrupts other people enjoying music by quoting the lyrics at them and questioning their enjoyment of the music, and this person can think they have got the whole thing figured out when really, they can't hear the music, and they are just ruining someone else's good time. (Not directed at you.)

God is the words and the music.

Remove either and you miss out.

Post: #67

(05-07-2019 11:11 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 04:34 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 01:16 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  snip

Are you replying to me?

"As St. Thomas Aquinas argued, because the light of reason and the light of faith both come from God, there can be no contradiction between them."
~Fides et Ratio, Pope John Paul II

Furthermore, as Fr. Ripperger points out, emotions are of the body and the demons have control of them. Distrust emotions that are disconnected from reason.

Yes. You inspired a divine rant.

I think you are putting unnecessary limits on how the big G can reach people.

The inverse of your quotes are just as true. Distrust disconnected reason just as you would distrust disconnected emotions.

God meets people where they are at.

There are plenty of people who can out reason other people, who can make another person's position look foolish, and they can be as far from God as it is possible to be, all the while thinking they are doctrinally correct.

Our corner of the internet skews towards 'best argument wins' and that can end up being like the guy who interrupts other people enjoying music by quoting the lyrics at them and questioning their enjoyment of the music, and this person can think they have got the whole thing figured out when really, they can't hear the music, and they are just ruining someone else's good time. (Not directed at you.)

God is the words and the music.

Remove either and you miss out.

That's why you need both faith and reason. Without faith, you have unbound axioms leading to irreconcilable systems. Without reason you have impetus, but no discipline as to where it goes. The devil loves both atheists and mystic; both are easily manipulated into following his path. I was warning against over-reliance on emotions; over-reliance on reason is equally as bad.

Post: #68

Quote:It is clear to me that this is what people call a religious experience, except that religion is a man-made construct, you know it instantly after being in that state.

okay, the last bit would piss me off too if I was religious. It comes off as arrogant, I can understand that, i.e. "yea, I know what you're speaking about, forget all the books, and study and just drop some LSD" ... nah man, didn't mean it that way. I should have written that I felt and thought that this was what people meant when they had a religious experience. Stating that religion is ( just ) a man-made construct is dismissive.

The reason I still think I experienced The Divine was because of what David Icke, Jill Taylor, Max Loughan, jiddu Krishnamurti and other eastern spiritual teachers, and 100's of other people described when they crossed over, if you'll accept that term. Those 100's include religious people too, the words they use to describe God, Infinite Love, Of and About Everything, Profound Joy, etc, I was in that space. I can't prove it though. It was super-natural, it definitely wasn't a buzz, or a great high, I felt so much love and joy, as I stated, the next day my cheeks really were sore from smiling for six hours.

If I was brought up with religion I think that I might then have said, "I have felt God", but I wasn't. If I was I can see how the explanation for such an experience would be readily available. I don't know why I feel this way and others don't?? personality I guess. One of the guys I took LSD with believes in God, another doesn't, another doesn't think about it at all.

This stuff about 'the devil' loving atheists etc. Come on man, let's not get carried away, I mean, be reasonable . I help old people cross the street, I help a double amputee up the subway stairs when I see him, I sometimes give money ( or food) to homeless people, I'll hold hands with the religious at a dinner table and say "Amen" with them ( feels good!).

Anyways.

Post: #69

(05-07-2019 06:28 PM)Zep Wrote:  

Quote:It is clear to me that this is what people call a religious experience, except that religion is a man-made construct, you know it instantly after being in that state.

okay, the last bit would piss me off too if I was religious. It comes off as arrogant, I can understand that, i.e. "yea, I know what you're speaking about, forget all the books, and study and just drop some LSD" ... nah man, didn't mean it that way. I should have written that I felt and thought that this was what people meant when they had a religious experience. Stating that religion is ( just ) a man-made construct is dismissive.

The reason I still think I experienced The Divine was because of what David Icke, Jill Taylor, Max Loughan, jiddu Krishnamurti and other eastern spiritual teachers, and 100's of other people described when they crossed over, if you'll accept that term. Those 100's include religious people too, the words they use to describe God, Infinite Love, Of and About Everything, Profound Joy, etc, I was in that space. I can't prove it though. It was super-natural, it definitely wasn't a buzz, or a great high, I felt so much love and joy, as I stated, the next day my cheeks really were sore from smiling for six hours.

If I was brought up with religion I think that I might then have said, "I have felt God", but I wasn't. If I was I can see how the explanation for such an experience would be readily available. I don't know why I feel this way and others don't?? personality I guess. One of the guys I took LSD with believes in God, another doesn't, another doesn't think about it at all.

This stuff about 'the devil' loving atheists etc. Come on man, let's not get carried away, I mean, be reasonable . I help old people cross the street, I help a double amputee up the subway stairs when I see him, I sometimes give money ( or food) to homeless people, I'll hold hands with the religious at a dinner table and say "Amen" with them ( feels good!).

Anyways.

And yet, as an atheist your axioms are arbitrary. Even math is but an opinion. Why not change them if it will help you achieve better results?

Note: I don't think you're a proper atheist.

Post: #70

It's a work in progress but I'm trying to make my chemicals the best chemicals they can be.

I pity the fool with broke-ass chemicals.

Post: #71

(05-08-2019 05:23 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  It's a work in progress but I'm trying to make my chemicals the best chemicals they can be.

I pity the fool with broke-ass chemicals.

Yes Lenny, yes.

I had broke-ass chemicals for 25 yrs, a fcuking little ssri changed it all.
Make yuor cehmicals teh bset they can be! Yeeeessss.

@Aurini - my axioms have recently been calibrated, polished, and greased with silicone spray. They are just fine thank-you very much.

Quote:Question: "What is the definition of faith?"

Answer: Thankfully, the Bible contains a clear definition of faith in Hebrews 11:1: “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.” Simply put, the biblical definition of faith is “trusting in something you cannot explicitly prove.”

This definition of faith contains two aspects: intellectual assent and trust. Intellectual assent is believing something to be true. Trust is actually relying on the fact that the something is true. A chair is often used to help illustrate this. Intellectual assent is recognizing that a chair is a chair and agreeing that it is designed to support a person who sits on it. Trust is actually sitting in the chair.

I'll give you the number of my technician if you want?

Donald Duck made a yuge error - "everything we know and love is reducible to the absurd acts of chemicals, and there is therefore no intrinsic value in this material universe" - Wrong - consciousness is chemical sure, but we are in relationship with the material world ( we are spirits, in the material world ), so meditation, connecting with people, etc, influences the brain chemistry, therefore, the material world has massive value. So, we're back at square one - eat three meals a day, find someone to love, and something to hope for, and life will be fine.

Didn't Monty Python make a movie about all of this?