Post: #26

(03-31-2019 02:52 PM)Mage Wrote:  Atheism has killed more.

War is baked into the human genome (or beyond, look at chimps). It's not a function of ideology.

(03-31-2019 02:52 PM)Mage Wrote:  A failed attempt to shame me. You should be ashamed of yourself.

How so? You're conducting the worst form of generalization imaginable, and it's very easy to turn the tables.

(03-31-2019 02:52 PM)Mage Wrote:  Also as I already said I am not a Christian.

But you are engaging in a rather one-sided rant here. Why?

Seems to me you have a bug up your ass (no pun intended) over gays and want to draw a rather shaky line between atheism and homosexuality/pedophilia in order to service it.

(03-31-2019 02:52 PM)Mage Wrote:  ...their wars were more likely political and used religion only as justification.

And how does that matter to those who suffered and died?

(03-31-2019 02:52 PM)Mage Wrote:  Atheist wars and killings are unashamedly political and have no justification.

Everyone justifies. Evil never sees itself as evil, only misunderstood.

That's the nature of who we are. To risk invoking Godwin's law, Hitler justified. The question isn't whether it's justified. It's whether those justifications pass muster or not.

And the old testament in particular is full of justification. The OT God is a wrathful one indeed, and the NT God equally wrathful if you factor in judgment day.

(03-31-2019 02:52 PM)Mage Wrote:  I want to show to you is that atheism taken to it's logical end only leads to death

I know that's what you want to show, but you haven't done a good job of it.

And I can show you the worst what theism taken to its logical extreme can be: pre-2001 Afghanistan beheadings in soccer stadiums.

Post: #27

Socrates was executed for being an atheist. And Justin Martyr, the celebrated Catholic Saint, was beheaded for --- you guest it - being an atheist.

Post: #28

(03-31-2019 03:16 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 02:52 PM)Mage Wrote:  Atheism has killed more.

War is baked into the human genome (or beyond, look at chimps). It's not a function of ideology.

Well then why do you single out religious people as if they were particularly evil if everyone does it?

I agree that war is natural part of being human. I have actually no problem with it, my own faith is ok with that as part of life. Does not deny God.

(03-31-2019 03:16 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 02:52 PM)Mage Wrote:  A failed attempt to shame me. You should be ashamed of yourself.

How so? You're conducting the worst form of generalization imaginable, and it's very easy to turn the tables.

You were first to generalize by trying to show that people believing in God are somehow more violent then others. Now you act as if you do not remember it.

(03-31-2019 03:16 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 02:52 PM)Mage Wrote:  Also as I already said I am not a Christian.

But you are engaging in a rather one-sided rant here. Why?

Seems to me you have a bug up your ass (no pun intended) over gays and want to draw a rather shaky line between atheism and homosexuality/pedophilia in order to service it.

If something seems to you then question your mental health.

What I said is that atheism leads to homosexuality and pedophilia and I meant it. if you do not want to you or your children to become homos or pedos then you are not a true atheist yet and are just a confused person. Seek God and escape atheism, because that is what is coming to you and your progeny, slowly but surely. If you are ok with homosexuality and pedophilia then you are a true atheist.

(03-31-2019 03:16 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 02:52 PM)Mage Wrote:  ...their wars were more likely political and used religion only as justification.

And how does that matter to those who suffered and died?

Have you done anything to make leftist atheists of present less violent or are you just attacking believers over these wars of the past? Stop acting like you care about some people who died hundreds of years ago in Spanish Inquisition. What have you done to save aborted babies and political dissidents of Venezuela today?

(03-31-2019 03:16 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 02:52 PM)Mage Wrote:  Atheist wars and killings are unashamedly political and have no justification.

Everyone justifies. Evil never sees itself as evil, only misunderstood.

What is evil in atheist paradigm? There is no evil, there is just nature and laws of physics. Invoking evil shows you are confused and not honest with yourself. For evil to exist there should be something non evil a.k.a. good. The highest good is called God in theist thought.

(03-31-2019 03:16 PM)questor70 Wrote:  That's the nature of who we are. To risk invoking Godwin's law, Hitler justified. The question isn't whether it's justified. It's whether those justifications pass muster or not.

And the old testament in particular is full of justification. The OT God is a wrathful one indeed, and the NT God equally wrathful if you factor in judgment day.

As you said yourself violence is natural. Then why act upset about it?

(03-31-2019 03:16 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 02:52 PM)Mage Wrote:  I want to show to you is that atheism taken to it's logical end only leads to death

I know that's what you want to show, but you haven't done a good job of it.

And I can show you the worst what theism taken to its logical extreme can be: pre-2001 Afghanistan beheadings in soccer stadiums.

You are doing bad job yourself. Using Islam to attack God is a stupid idea. Islam is just one religion and God is above any religion. You don't have to even belong to a religion to believe in God, did you know that?

Post: #29

(03-31-2019 03:33 PM)Sherman Wrote:  Socrates was executed for being an atheist. And Justin Martyr, the celebrated Catholic Saint, was beheaded for --- you guest it - being an atheist.

Socrates was not an atheist you lying prick. He believed in an immortal human soul.

It is also stupid to say that a Christian Saint was an atheist.

Post: #30

(03-31-2019 02:24 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  Mage but Christians also say this material world doesn't matter, so why have children? Only the afterlife truly matters, thats why saints were proud to suffer.
If earthly desires are pointless compared to the afterlife, why wouldnt every christian give away everything and live like a beggar? Everyone would live like a priest or a monk if it were that profoundly magnificent. It's better to live in a gutter and beg for food than be rich and concerned with worldly achievements.
Achieving a good job, slim wife, healthy children would be too "materialistic" for the higher consciousness of an afterlife right? The idea that a Priest is choosing the higher path by not being married because marriage is just an Earthly aspect right...
With Christianity it's almost teaching you to NOT win at anything in life, because you'll get a huge prize afterwards. It's why many christians accept the left's premise of giving away their country. Is there an objective christian reason to NOT give away your property? Should I try to succeed and win or not?
Edit: Mage I'm just awfully confused at the christian premise that this world itself is evil and doesn't matter so your personal comfort, success, and satisfaction don't matter, vs. Christians should build, achieve, and win in life.

Are you fucking kidding? These are basic questions that everyone knows the answer to, and you seem to think they have no answer? What the Fuck?

The Bible literally tells Christians to be fruitful and multiply!!!

The Bible also says that some Christians are called to mission work and give up all creature comforts. Otherwise the proscription is to help those who are in need. You can't help people if you need help yourself... so many of them work hard so they can take care of those around them.

Also... and this comes from a more Jewish reading of the Bible... some Christians believe that the more $$$ they have the more God is blessing them.

Post: #31

(03-31-2019 02:52 PM)Mage Wrote:  These tiny religious wars and persecutions are dwarfed by the atheist killings and persecutions of WW1, WW2, and Communist regimes. And abortions.

Atheism has killed more.

Jesus said "they will see a splinter in your eye but they will not see a log in their own"

Trying to assign body counts to belief or non-belief in God is ridiculous. If you look at history it becomes pretty clear that a state is going to engage in war or genocide when it wants to regardless of whether or not its theistic. The pathological beliefs just get attached to the theist/atheist beliefs in any event. Both Amish and Muslims believe in God, but only the latter group runs around killing people over it. Trying to pin the murderous behavior of communists on an atheist libertarian is similarly fallacious.

Post: #32

I didn't even bother to read either thread. POR QUE NO LOS DOS?!? REALIZE YOU ARE A SPIRITUAL ENTITY HAVING A HUMAN EXPERIENCE. CONNECT WITH SOURCE; FUCK BITCHES GET MONEY.

"Hate cost money, but this love free." -Mac Miller

Post: #33

No good; no evil; just experience. Do what thou wilt be the whole of the law; Love under will. There is no magical boogey man in the sky unless you create him with your beliefs.

Post: #34

(03-31-2019 04:00 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 02:52 PM)Mage Wrote:  These tiny religious wars and persecutions are dwarfed by the atheist killings and persecutions of WW1, WW2, and Communist regimes. And abortions.

Atheism has killed more.

Jesus said "they will see a splinter in your eye but they will not see a log in their own"

Trying to assign body counts to belief or non-belief in God is ridiculous. If you look at history it becomes pretty clear that a state is going to engage in war or genocide when it wants to regardless of whether or not its theistic. The pathological beliefs just get attached to the theist/atheist beliefs in any event. Both Amish and Muslims believe in God, but only the latter group runs around killing people over it. Trying to pin the murderous behavior of communists on an atheist libertarian is similarly fallacious.

I am not the one who started talking about killing and body counts. It was questor70, by starting the old rant about past wars and persecutions done by Spanish Inquisition et cetera.

I also think we should discuss the existence or absence of God by examples and arguments from our own lives and not look to past blaming the other camp for violence they did. But since questor70 stated it I had to show him this game can be played by both sides.

If you were perfectly honest Bortimus Prime - you would call both of us to stop doing this. But you didn't. Meaning you are not above subjectivity.

You see atheists are always so quick to call on theists by not living up to their standard. Always forgetting that if it were not for theists there would be no standard at all. At least theists are trying. Often failing, often succeeding, but at least trying. Atheists are nihilists - not trying and discouraging those who try.

Post: #35

(03-31-2019 03:38 PM)Mage Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 03:33 PM)Sherman Wrote:  Socrates was executed for being an atheist. And Justin Martyr, the celebrated Catholic Saint, was beheaded for --- you guest it - being an atheist.

Socrates was not an atheist you lying prick. He believed in an immortal human soul.

It is also stupid to say that a Christian Saint was an atheist.

I didn't say it. I am saying what was said in history. Read the Apology. It is also a fact that Justin Martyr was accused of atheism. Your ignorance of history is showing.

Post: #36

I’m not an atheist because I don’t want to believe in God or because I resent people who do. I wish it was true. Maybe it is. I don’t know. I think I would be a lot happier and the world would have a much brighter future if the supernatural did exist somewhere outside the minds of superstitious people. Maybe it does. I don’t know. That’s my position. I’m just not convinced. That doesn’t mean I’m not open to reasonable arguments there is a God, that I have a soul, or that death is anything other than the cessation of one’s personal existence. I also fully recognize that a society that widely believes in God is often far more unified, stable, and better for the raising of families than one where the primary ethic is thoughtless individual gratification. I used to believe in it all: God, the Soul, the afterlife. I was raised catholic. But I lost a few friends when I was young and it changed the way I looked at the world.
Being forced to confront death at an early age didn’t bring me to the light. I saw the void and the void saw me. Maybe it would’ve been different if I had been older when this occurred. But ever since that time in my life, Epicurus has always made more sense to me than Aquinas. Again not because I want it to be so, but because that more closely matches my experience.

Post: #37

(03-31-2019 04:08 PM)Mage Wrote:  I am not the one who started talking about killing and body counts.

Everything started with you portraying atheists as psychopaths.

(03-31-2019 04:08 PM)Mage Wrote:  I also think we should discuss the existence or absence of God

Maybe start a new thread then. This one was created to challenge the idea that you need to believe in God to be a good person. It's not a debate for or against the existence of a diety.

(03-31-2019 04:08 PM)Mage Wrote:  Atheists are nihilists

And so the flame-baiting generalizations continue.

BTW, I don't like nihilism. I don't know Zack Snyder's beliefs but his work is very nihilist and one of his daughters committed suicide and I wouldn't be surprised if his bleak outlook on life was a factor in it. I think that if you don't believe in God you still have to stand for something. Even if there is no absolute good and evil, it's possible to make a stand for what you personally believe in, what matters to you. Secular humanists like Gene Roddenberry or Unitarians like Rod Serling were kind of what SJWs were before they became so damn obnoxious and trigger-happy. So I don't deny that atheism CAN lead to nihilism, but that it doesn't HAVE to lead to it or that they are, as your statement above, synonymous with nihilists.

Post: #38

(03-31-2019 02:18 PM)Mage Wrote:  99% of vocal atheists are just people with slightly higher IQ then average thinking they are geniuses and blabbing about how smart they are for understanding muh science, at the same time ignoring the truths that:

a)Their high intelligence is built on the physical senses that are limited
b)their high intelligence absent faith or instinct is maladaptive and leads to their extinction

True atheists are not the vocal ones. True atheists do not spend time to argue and reason why they are atheists. True atheists are psychopaths who do whatever they want and run from even a discussion about God and morality like devil from fire.

Homosexuality is the highest expression of atheism.

Homosexuality is much more reasonable when you have such a strong mind that you can override procreation instincts and if you do not accept faith either. No hassle with women, no hassle with children just find a man as horny as you and fuck. it is absolutely the best logical choice from a selfish atheist perspective.

If you are an atheist you are a homosexual in the making. Maybe not you but your children will gradually become more queer with every generation. You will likely not procreate similarly as a homosexual anyway.

Oh wait there might be an even higher form of Atheism - pedophilia. To groom a young child into a partner unable to resist and to install into him any behavior you want to use him as your toy. Cannot get more rational then that. it is the smart thing to do. If you feel any resistance to accepting that fact you are not as atheist as you think you are and you still have some irrational instinct or morality left in you.

What the fuck did I just read. All atheists are homosexuals and pedophiles in the making, okay mate

By that logic we're all Nazis in the making looking to perpetuate Holocaust 2.0 because we ask the JQ. Same logic of CNN funnily enough.

Anyway, my problem with these ancient religions is that whilst they do offer a decent moral and lifestyle guide for people lacking one, they are incomplete guides with gaping holes, some harmful beliefs and are unable to sufficiently adapt to modern times.

Right now the Church supports open borders, accepts gays and covers up rampant child abuse. Regardless of whether they're "true Christians" or whatever, most Christians still follow their guidance and end up perpetuating their own self-destruction through welcoming mass immigration or turning the other cheek constantly.

In contrast a rational moral and life guide you create through your own learning can more readily adapt to encompass the various novel situations that modern life is creating. If the current market conditions do make marriage a terrible deal and both partners being virgins almost impossible then how is the advice still relevant? The inability for the guides to adapt to modern circumstances make it untenable today, and if you start adapting certain rules like men should be virgins untul marriage or keep the sabbath holy then you might as well admit you/re not following the religion, you're just using it as inspiration for your own system.

Post: #39

(03-31-2019 09:00 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 01:49 AM)Ouroboros Wrote:  I bet there are plenty of opinions that you would express here on this forum that you would not express at work or in the company of certain friends or family members

There's a difference between simply keeping your mouth shut in the wrong social context and pretending to be something you're not. I don't, let's say, pretend to be a male feminist. If someone pushes my back up against the wall I'm going to at least allude to my red-pill ideas about women. You have to lead an authentic life.

You only have to keep your mouth shut because red-pill ideas are far less socially acceptable than feminist ideas; I doubt there are many male feminists out there who feel the need to keep their views silent. You might not be pretending but you're still conforming, albeit passively. In the same way that atheists in conservative societies have to conform by remaining silent about their views on religion.

Also it's just not practical to be completely authentic in some situations. I was once asked in a job interview 'why do you value diversity and inclusion, and what should a manager do to improve diversity and inclusion in the workplace?' There's no acceptable red-pilled answer to that question.

(03-31-2019 09:00 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 01:49 AM)Ouroboros Wrote:  I don't know if religion is necessary to maintain healthy gender relations in such societies, but there seems to be a correlation there.

I would agree with that. But I think there are ways to apply checks and balances onto women outside of religion--either fighting fire with fire (Game) or boycotting (MGTOW).

This is why just about every thread complaining about women here tends to split into two camps: those who blame women and those who blame men for enabling women.

That's an interesting point. It would be great if game or MGTOW could fix the situation without the need for religion. I'm not so optimistic, for a few reasons:

- The majority of men who go down the MGTOW path seem to be those who are mostly invisible to women anyway. To get women to care about being 'boycotted', you would need to persuade the top 10-20% of men who are doing well in the current environment to eschew women, which would be very challenging to say the least.

- Males are programmed to seek out and inseminate females. It's unlikely that meaningful numbers of men (provided they have healthy levels of testosterone) will ever be convinced of the need to reject their libido and go MGTOW - they're probably more likely to embrace homosexuality than chastity.

- Since women care more about social attention than sex, focusing on the former is probably a much more effective route to changing their behaviour. Men should definitely stop acting so thirsty on dating apps and social media, giving their time and attention in return for nothing, while helping to make the objects of their attention ever more toxic. Abstaining from social media and apps could be construed as a form of 'MGTOW'. Sadly, I just don't think most men have the willpower to do this.

- Game is normally used to obtain casual sex. Increased promiscuity is not going to solve many social problems (other than reducing incel rage); on the contrary, it makes many of these problems a lot worse.

- 'Relationship game', the least studied aspect of game, can be used to improve the quality and increase the longevity of long-term relationships. It has potential to reduce divorce rates and increase family formation. But I wonder how many men have the skill to learn it or the stamina to keep at it for a long duration of time. It also seems unlikely that the majority of men will ever have access to the requisite knowledge, since it's hidden away in corners of the internet characterised by fringe politics, and written in books whose authors are described as rapists by mainstream news sources.

Post: #40

(03-31-2019 02:18 PM)Mage Wrote:  99% of vocal atheists are just people with slightly higher IQ then average thinking they are geniuses and blabbing about how smart they are for understanding muh science, at the same time ignoring the truths that:

a)Their high intelligence is built on the physical senses that are limited
b)their high intelligence absent faith or instinct is maladaptive and leads to their extinction

True atheists are not the vocal ones. True atheists do not spend time to argue and reason why they are atheists. True atheists are psychopaths who do whatever they want and run from even a discussion about God and morality like devil from fire.

Homosexuality is the highest expression of atheism.

Homosexuality is much more reasonable when you have such a strong mind that you can override procreation instincts and if you do not accept faith either. No hassle with women, no hassle with children just find a man as horny as you and fuck. it is absolutely the best logical choice from a selfish atheist perspective.

If you are an atheist you are a homosexual in the making. Maybe not you but your children will gradually become more queer with every generation. You will likely not procreate similarly as a homosexual anyway.

Oh wait there might be an even higher form of Atheism - pedophilia. To groom a young child into a partner unable to resist and to install into him any behavior you want to use him as your toy. Cannot get more rational then that. it is the smart thing to do. If you feel any resistance to accepting that fact you are not as atheist as you think you are and you still have some irrational instinct or morality left in you.

That's rather like accusing a maths teacher of being a paedophile, because the logic and reason he uses to establish a mathematical proof is the same cold rationality that - according to you - leads inexorably to child abuse. A ridiculous thing to suggest.

Atheism =/= rationalism in general. Atheism = rationalism applied only to the question of whether God exists or not.

Being an atheist does not compel you to ignore your sense of empathy or your instincts, abandon any ethical code you might have, or take any action whatsoever.

Post: #41

(03-31-2019 02:52 PM)Mage Wrote:  These tiny religious wars and persecutions are dwarfed by the atheist killings and persecutions of WW1, WW2, and Communist regimes. And abortions.

Atheism has killed more.

Wars involving nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, missiles and machine guns kill more people than wars involving spears, arrows and swords.

Do you really think the Crusades or the Islamic invasions would have been any less destructive than the wars of 20th century if they had had modern weaponry?

Post: #42

(03-31-2019 02:23 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  

(03-30-2019 11:43 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  The god pill thread is certainly a strange turn to this forum. I always enjoyed gaining different perspectives from reading here, but that thread is a bit of a stretch to read. But I dont mean to direct this at roosh who is fostering a new understanding of life, it just seems that out of nowhere some posters are spouting off sermons like theyre hardcore christians to appease roosh or something. very sycophantic behavior.
Do those posters really practice christian ideals? how about complete celibacy, not even masturbation or perverted thoughts of any form. How about treating everyone as equals? Cant spout your racial theories anymore. Or tithing? the government takes their cut now prepare to give another 10%.
I agree with many christian ideals but fundamentally disagree with some and for that i cant be a true believer in it, nor do I buy the jesus miracles although I dont necessarily doubt he existed or wasnt a wise teacher.
Also Christianity is like swiss cheese as far as a living manual. It doesnt have clear rules on alcohol, homosexuality, and tattoos for example. Should you love your enemy or fight wickedness? Why does god ruin good people while allowing reckless idiots, greedy backstabbers, and violent criminals run amok? Do all those indian people in the amazon using stick bows go to hell too? For this reason alone Christianity is fractured like a broken mirror into all these denominations that take all kinds of various stances on issues like political parties which further muddies the waters.
Ive always enjoyed Roosh's philosophical insights and i hope he can take away the good of christianity while not falling hook line and sinker into the wackiness of it despite the fact that christianity says you must go all in to attain salvation.

The direction that Roosh is going isn't odd at all. It's not odd for the forum itself either, because many of the men involved are older now. It's actually a very natural progression.

Many of the questions you have regarding Christianity are simply a lack of you searching for answers.

Yes Christianity has clear answers on Alcohol and other drugs, homosexuality, tattoos, fighting evil and fighting wars. All of these things have been extensively covered and written about over the last 2000 years.

Alcohol for example is not forbidden, but being drunk is sinful. Homosexuality is bad, but it's no different than adultery.

The most interesting stuff is regarding fighting wars.

Okay well how can you reconcile basically everyone on here agreeing that getting laid is a good thing? how can we reconcile going out drinking, or smoking a joint here and there and spending tons of money on nice things and expensive trips and enjoying the hedonistic life while not giving really giving a damn about everyone else? Why do we all agree that pushing homos up in hollywood and whatnot is sick but the alpha studs can go out and get a new girl every night and thats okay? Good for the goose but not for the gander. Not saying that we cant "sin" but no one on here is attempting to be some ultraconservative virgin boy.

All i see is a steaming pile of hypocrisy from all the christfags and moral authorities on here.

Post: #43

(03-31-2019 06:19 PM)Ouroboros Wrote:  You only have to keep your mouth shut because red-pill ideas are far less socially acceptable than feminist ideas

No, it's because the workplace is for getting work done, not wasting time debating politics or religion.

(03-31-2019 06:19 PM)Ouroboros Wrote:  I was once asked in a job interview 'why do you value diversity and inclusion, and what should a manager do to improve diversity and inclusion in the workplace?' There's no acceptable red-pilled answer to that question.

I wouldn't push to get a job if I'm getting triggered right from the application process.

(03-31-2019 06:19 PM)Ouroboros Wrote:  I just don't think most men have the willpower to do this.

Neither do I. I see this as a dilemma, not a problem that has an easy solution. I can understand why people continue searching for one, though. Men are by nature problem-solvers. We'll gladly keep hacking away at gordian knots forever. That persistence is one of the best qualities we have. And it being a dilemma doesn't change the fact that it's better for men to be red-pilled than not red-pilled.

(03-31-2019 06:19 PM)Ouroboros Wrote:  Game is normally used to obtain casual sex. Increased promiscuity is not going to solve many social problems (other than reducing incel rage); on the contrary, it makes many of these problems a lot worse.

Oh, I understand that paradox. Believe me. Now tell Roosh that. He just published his pièce de ré·sis·tance on Game while now talking about a God Pill.

How about Anne Rice's complicated relationship between her Vampires books and her religious beliefs?

How about Prince? Even though commercially he had to keep embracing his past persona, he became SUPER religious in the latter half of his career in a way his fanbase found hard to reconcile. Read the famous story Kevin Smith gives about being asked to shoot a documentary.

(I hesitate to mention Cat Stevens because I know it will trigger some.)

It will be interesting to see how Roosh reconciles all this.

We're all on our own life journeys. Change can be good.

Post: #44

I have to step in and defend the skeptics for a bit. Since getting actively on the internet over 15 years ago, I've seen countless theist vs atheist debates and yes, the insufferable fedora atheist trope is really a thing and has always been particularly virulent online. The non-believers that have been posting on this thread and the God thread have really gone out of their way to not be snarky or cutting just for the sake of being cutting - the caricature of a mid 2000s to early 2010s Reddit atheist.

Jumping into their thread and throwing out those bombs when they have been recusing themselves from the God thread even when IMO they weren't being disrespectful - especially compared to the Reddit-tier atheists I just mentioned above - isn't the prudent move. Since they are mostly referring from using the same old tired "haha you believe in a sky fairy" canards, let's reciprocate and not be calling people potential pedos or homosexuals.

Post: #45

(03-31-2019 06:47 PM)Ouroboros Wrote:  Atheism =/= rationalism in general. Atheism = rationalism applied only to the question of whether God exists or not.

Being an atheist does not compel you to ignore your sense of empathy or your instincts, abandon any ethical code you might have, or take any action whatsoever.

Wrong. Life is too interconnected to be selectively rational and still make correct conclusions. The question of God existing or not affects every minute detail of life.

Everyone who thinks he is the same guy whether he believes in God or not is short sighted. Your beliefs change you slowly but surely.

(03-31-2019 07:16 PM)Ouroboros Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 02:52 PM)Mage Wrote:  These tiny religious wars and persecutions are dwarfed by the atheist killings and persecutions of WW1, WW2, and Communist regimes. And abortions.

Atheism has killed more.

Wars involving nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, missiles and machine guns kill more people than wars involving spears, arrows and swords.

Do you really think the Crusades or the Islamic invasions would have been any less destructive than the wars of 20th century if they had had modern weaponry?

Wrong. Today we have war in Ukraine and in middle east the kill count is very low compared to many ancient wars. Kill count would be higher if not for technology allowing more precise strikes and advanced espionage.

By the time society had progressed so that nukes and chemical weapons were invented Christians learned to stop making religious wars and Christianity of 20th century was peaceful. Atheists still dragged behind that.

Christians started to worry about weapons of mass destruction since late middle ages.

Post: #46

(03-31-2019 05:56 PM)Valentine Wrote:  What the fuck did I just read. All atheists are homosexuals and pedophiles in the making, okay mate

This is obvious. The western generation before embraced atheism and the current western generation embraces LGBT and all sorts of cuckery and fagotry. It is all interconnected and only a willingly blind person will deny it.

(03-31-2019 05:56 PM)Valentine Wrote:  Anyway, my problem with these ancient religions is that whilst they do offer a decent moral and lifestyle guide for people lacking one, they are incomplete guides with gaping holes, some harmful beliefs and are unable to sufficiently adapt to modern times.

Right now the Church supports open borders, accepts gays and covers up rampant child abuse. Regardless of whether they're "true Christians" or whatever, most Christians still follow their guidance and end up perpetuating their own self-destruction through welcoming mass immigration or turning the other cheek constantly.

Certainly Christian Churches have degraded. But atheist leftists are welcoming open borders and gays much more and they are the origin of these sentiments. It is obvious.

(03-31-2019 05:56 PM)Valentine Wrote:  In contrast a rational moral and life guide you create through your own learning can more readily adapt to encompass the various novel situations that modern life is creating. If the current market conditions do make marriage a terrible deal and both partners being virgins almost impossible then how is the advice still relevant? The inability for the guides to adapt to modern circumstances make it untenable today, and if you start adapting certain rules like men should be virgins untul marriage or keep the sabbath holy then you might as well admit you/re not following the religion, you're just using it as inspiration for your own system.

Inability to adopt to modern circumstances? Well since the modern circumstances are political correctness and catering to globohomo overlords and welcoming migrant bulls in your family this rant about not adapting to modern circumstances just proves my point.

Broken marriages and lack of virgins is the consequences of atheism. Damn right no faith should adapt to that. Strange how selective you are accusing Church of preaching the "obsolete" message of marriage and men's virginity but you do not accuse atheism of spreading the "modern" message of frivolous divorce and females losing virginity before marriage.

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Talk about throwing stones in a glass house lol..

Probably cant find more queers and pedos together in one place than a Catholic church.

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(04-01-2019 02:40 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  Talk about throwing stones in a glass house lol..

Probably cant find more queers and pedos together in one place than a Catholic church.

On what grounds do you make that statement?

Mass media?

Strange, I spent my entire childhood in Catholic Church, met many priests, none made any advances towards me.

No doubt there are pedos in Catholic Church. But please show me any statistics that show that their number is higher then among secular childcare and education workers.

We have a whole teacher slept with a student thread on this forum. Don't we?

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What's your thoughts on the wind down and eventual death of the universe? Portrayed in this wonderful video.





How would an atheist/materialist deal with the prospect of ever increasing darkness for future humans and eventual nothingness?

As in the heat death of the Universe?

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(04-01-2019 01:55 AM)Mage Wrote:  

(03-31-2019 05:56 PM)Valentine Wrote:  What the fuck did I just read. All atheists are homosexuals and pedophiles in the making, okay mate

This is obvious. The western generation before embraced atheism and the current western generation embraces LGBT and all sorts of cuckery and fagotry. It is all interconnected and only a willingly blind person will deny it.

(03-31-2019 05:56 PM)Valentine Wrote:  Anyway, my problem with these ancient religions is that whilst they do offer a decent moral and lifestyle guide for people lacking one, they are incomplete guides with gaping holes, some harmful beliefs and are unable to sufficiently adapt to modern times.

Right now the Church supports open borders, accepts gays and covers up rampant child abuse. Regardless of whether they're "true Christians" or whatever, most Christians still follow their guidance and end up perpetuating their own self-destruction through welcoming mass immigration or turning the other cheek constantly.

Certainly Christian Churches have degraded. But atheist leftists are welcoming open borders and gays much more and they are the origin of these sentiments. It is obvious.

(03-31-2019 05:56 PM)Valentine Wrote:  In contrast a rational moral and life guide you create through your own learning can more readily adapt to encompass the various novel situations that modern life is creating. If the current market conditions do make marriage a terrible deal and both partners being virgins almost impossible then how is the advice still relevant? The inability for the guides to adapt to modern circumstances make it untenable today, and if you start adapting certain rules like men should be virgins untul marriage or keep the sabbath holy then you might as well admit you/re not following the religion, you're just using it as inspiration for your own system.

Inability to adopt to modern circumstances? Well since the modern circumstances are political correctness and catering to globohomo overlords and welcoming migrant bulls in your family this rant about not adapting to modern circumstances just proves my point.

Broken marriages and lack of virgins is the consequences of atheism. Damn right no faith should adapt to that. Strange how selective you are accusing Church of preaching the "obsolete" message of marriage and men's virginity but you do not accuse atheism of spreading the "modern" message of frivolous divorce and females losing virginity before marriage.

Really true Atheism is nothing. A absence not a presence. There is no true ultimate meaning. But there is meaning that is according to each person's subjective preference.

Its like gazing into blackness into the everlasting void. There are those who go mad(Nihilism) whilst many seem to keep their composure.

And even the good things in life ultimately come to an end. Supposing mankind becomes immortal somehow or enduring in generations to live to see the heat death of the universe.