Post: #251

(03-13-2019 01:28 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I like this guy because he's even more unicorn-tier than Trump.

Imagine if he got elected. He would make the hostility Trump gets from both sides of the house and senate look like picnic day at the park. Trump didn't have the cojones to go cage-match with the deep state so sure as hell Yang wont, but there's enormous benefit in showing the reasonable folks remaining on the other side of the aisle that the deep state will fuck their candidate's mandate just as hard as they fucked Trump's.

One step closer to the 1776.

Any idea how to run American Civil War 2 game, bro?

Post: #252

I was going to post this in the Trump thread but I didn't want to cause too much triggering. At least if you come to the Yang thread, you ought to be somewhat mentally prepared for people to not be worshiping the Golden Trump Shrine (that is made out of 24k Gold Dreidels). I'm very considerate like that.

Post: #253

(03-13-2019 08:43 PM)Hegemon1984 Wrote:  

(03-13-2019 01:28 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I like this guy because he's even more unicorn-tier than Trump.

Imagine if he got elected. He would make the hostility Trump gets from both sides of the house and senate look like picnic day at the park. Trump didn't have the cojones to go cage-match with the deep state so sure as hell Yang wont, but there's enormous benefit in showing the reasonable folks remaining on the other side of the aisle that the deep state will fuck their candidate's mandate just as hard as they fucked Trump's.

One step closer to the 1776.

Any idea how to run American Civil War 2 game, bro?

Have food and shelter.

Cold, hungry bitches love food and shelter.

Post: #254

(03-14-2019 04:08 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(03-13-2019 08:43 PM)Hegemon1984 Wrote:  Any idea how to run American Civil War 2 game, bro?

Have food and shelter.

Cold, hungry bitches love food and shelter.

Just remember, Thots will turn on you in a second for a bigger, warmer shelter...

Post: #255

"I pledge allegiance to the bag."

Post: #256

Being a nation of poets, we have a very old saying in portuguese: 'the amendment is worse than the sonnet', meaning that sometimes you try to fix something that is irredeemably shit, and it just ends up being more shit than it was. So you might as well just do away with the whole thing, instead of adding amendments.

This is UBI.

I know many if not most in this thread are joking, but the support for UBI is real out there even if not here.

Instead of fixing the problem of automation, by rejecting it and letting men be men again and work, people want to be made slaves to the government AND the robots simultaneously? Do people honestly believe the government will give money without asking for obedience? Do people believe that, after a transition period, the surplus UBI-recipients will be kept or, at the very least, not mandatorily sterilized? Why? What would be the benefit?

If you think oligarchs are inhuman, wait until you are ruled over by a malicious AI. Will they take pity and keep feeding you fast food and VR porn until your days are over? Fuck no. Aren't our societies destroyed by too much comfort already? Fuck yes.

At least Ocasio Cortez is bangable, Yang is just a dummy nerd.

Post: #257

As with many other sweet utopias, people like to believe that Automation + UBI will give people the time and freedom to pursue other interests instead of slaving away on a stupid office or fast food job. The reasoning is: these jobs aren't fulfilling anyway. People just do them to survive. Right. But what created this scenario?

... the Industrial Revolution, that is, the initial automation.

Before that most people would just continue working on whatever their ancestors mastered - sons of masons became masons, sons of farmers became farmers, sons of shepherds became shepherds, etc. Shit, even sons of Kings were born and raised to follow their father's footsteps. It was a world that made sense, and a guaranteed continuity and order.

Queue the Industrial Revolution: mass disruption of traditional apprenticeships and work flows, mass migration from countryside to cities, destroying community ties and norms, all so they can work in filthy factories (and live in filthy crowded apartments) as the agricultural or artisan jobs no longer put food on the table because now there is technological capacity to ship stuff across vast areas of land and water and the market is open, so you have to compete with everyone else. Plus, now it's a money economy. People in your community traded what they made for what you made - not anymore. The only thing you can trade is your time and effort, and the only thing they give you in return is money - so you can buy their goods you see.

So people thinking that all this free time and free money will result in some enlightenment or freedom are delusional. This is just the culmination of all technology: to do away with humanity, first by tearing its moral and cultural roots off, and now with AI, literally.

Post: #258

Guys, for the love of Christ, please size your images. These monstrosities are clogging up the thread.

[img=600x400] for example.

Post: #259

Nigeria has the lowest level of automation.

The US, Germany, and Japan have the highest levels of automation.

I'll take more automation any time, any day, without the slightest hesitation. There is an infinite pool of new work for human beings to do if we give the low grade work to robots. There is an infinite pool of new work for human beings to do if we give the medium grade work to robots. There is an infinite pool of new work to do if we give the high grade work to robots.

If you want to live in Nigeria...nobody is stopping you.


Regarding the UBI: The federal government will instantly use that to further enslave you. It doesn't matter what the wording is of the law that you pass to enable the UBI. It doesn't matter what you say now. It doesn't matter what your intentions are. The federal government is the most evil force on the planet earth and will INSTANTLY twist and distort any UBI legislation in order to fulfill their goal of universal slavery of citizenry.

Post: #260

(03-14-2019 12:45 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  Nigeria has the lowest level of automation.

The US, Germany, and Japan have the highest levels of automation.

I'll take more automation any time, any day, without the slightest hesitation. There is an infinite pool of new work for human beings to do if we give the low grade work to robots. There is an infinite pool of new work for human beings to do if we give the medium grade work to robots. There is an infinite pool of new work to do if we give the high grade work to robots.

What kind of work are you talking about? STEM work? That's the only work that I can think of. But many people even in high IQ populations already have trouble doing white collar desk jobs or service jobs that require math, logic, and attention to details. I don't see a large section of the population being smart and diligent enough to adapt to automation by moving to the higher ground of STEM work.

Post: #261

I have watched a number of lengthy interviews with Yang and he being the beneficiary of a Blue Blood Prep School and Ivy League education is quite polished and thoughtful in his answers as a well trained legal scholar would be and in a manner that indicates he has hired some top-notch focus group consultants to refine his messaging and talking points. One thing that is lost in the All UBI all the time focus is that he has over seventy position statements on his web site.

For example "UBI is not a left or right idea it is a forward-thinking idea!" and Everyone who is a citizen is entitled to their "Freedom Dividend". Slick and sounds great. But like most things from Asia when you lift the Hood and inspect the engine you are less than overwhelmed.

This is where his true thinking is belied. On the Topic of Relations with Communist Red China's CCP he is very careful to use the cautious language of Appeasement approved by Chairman Xi - that we need to build Bridges of Understanding and Win-Win relationships with China - clearly a reflection of his Taiwanese American Roots - when you live above or near the Dragons lair best not to provoke it with a sharp stick in its eye.

Communist Freaking Red China and its CCP overlords are one of the 4 Great Satanic organizations on this planet along with the NWO Globalists, Radical Isis AlQaeda Hamas Hezbollah Islamists, and the Narco-Terrorists Murdering Drugs Gangs. Most of which the CFRCs have financed and partnered with at one point in time especially with their latest One Belt one Road Debt Enslavement and Invasion diplomacy they use around the world.

Yang becomes POTUS he will appease the Communist Freaking Satanic Red Chinese and be enabler in Chief to their plans to flood the USA with Chinese factories, Chinese Infrastructure Project Engineering firms all employing Chinese workers with the Americans drawing their paltry $1K/mo UBI living below poverty as struggling starving Artists or Rube Goldberg innovators while Chinese students sue the major universities to take all of the available STEM course slots to out compete, out eat and completely beat the American barbarians at our own STEM game...

Suggest you view as many of these Chinese Uncensored YT Channel videos as you have time for:

EU Today and USA Tomorrow:

How China Is Taking Over Europe’s Ports | CCP Trade, Economy, and Politics
https://youtu.be/_XHdGPT11fk

#LearnToCode then #LearnMandarin

Post: #262

What would be the effect of UBI on inmate recidivism rates? Say you commit a crime and go into the system for 5 years, but upon being released you have a $60,000.00 reserve to keep you out of trouble while you get yourself back on your feet. Could this prevent the familiar trope of a criminal returning to their old ways because they can't find a job?

Or should felons be ineligible for UBI just like they can't vote (at least in places that are not Democrat-ruled shitholes)?

Post: #263

(03-14-2019 02:43 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  What would be the effect of UBI on inmate recidivism rates? Say you commit a crime and go into the system for 5 years, but upon being released you have a $60,000.00 reserve to keep you out of trouble while you get yourself back on your feet. Could this prevent the familiar trope of a criminal returning to their old ways because they can't find a job?

Or should felons be ineligible for UBI just like they can't vote (at least in places that are not Democrat-ruled shitholes)?

IIRC Per Yang in his 70+ online positions Convicts UBI would be used by the State to offset the costs of their incarcerations.

No Double Dipping...

Post: #264

(03-14-2019 02:43 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  What would be the effect of UBI on inmate recidivism rates? Say you commit a crime and go into the system for 5 years, but upon being released you have a $60,000.00 reserve to keep you out of trouble while you get yourself back on your feet. Could this prevent the familiar trope of a criminal returning to their old ways because they can't find a job?

Or should felons be ineligible for UBI just like they can't vote (at least in places that are not Democrat-ruled shitholes)?

The bureaucrats will find a way to twist and distort this to keep the inmates in slavery. One way or another.

Post: #265

(03-14-2019 12:51 PM)BlueMark Wrote:  

(03-14-2019 12:45 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  Nigeria has the lowest level of automation.

The US, Germany, and Japan have the highest levels of automation.

I'll take more automation any time, any day, without the slightest hesitation. There is an infinite pool of new work for human beings to do if we give the low grade work to robots. There is an infinite pool of new work for human beings to do if we give the medium grade work to robots. There is an infinite pool of new work to do if we give the high grade work to robots.

What kind of work are you talking about? STEM work? That's the only work that I can think of. But many people even in high IQ populations already have trouble doing white collar desk jobs or service jobs that require math, logic, and attention to details. I don't see a large section of the population being smart and diligent enough to adapt to automation by moving to the higher ground of STEM work.

Move to Nigeria or Belize or some other low automation country, where people dig ditches with shovels instead of backhoes. This will give you the answer you seek.

Post: #266

(03-14-2019 08:59 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  If you think oligarchs are inhuman, wait until you are ruled over by a malicious AI. Will they take pity and keep feeding you fast food and VR porn until your days are over? Fuck no.

One of my favorite Sci Fi novels addressed this. The AI were ordered to protect humanity, but humanity was to be kept under "traditional human governments" and always have 5 encyption keys to shut the whole thing down if it got out of control

It takes the AI about 4 milleseconds to figure out the most efficient way to do this was to reduce humanity to the ignorance, feudalism and barbarism of a thousand years ago (hey, those WERE "traditional human gov'ts after all) with the keys venerated as religious objects (still in human hands even if they had no idea what they were for). The plotline is the protagonists trying to get the 5 keys together and hit the off switch.

Post: #267

(03-14-2019 02:24 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  I have watched a number of lengthy interviews with Yang and he being the beneficiary of a Blue Blood Prep School and Ivy League education is quite polished and thoughtful in his answers as a well trained legal scholar would be and in a manner that indicates he has hired some top-notch focus group consultants to refine his messaging and talking points. One thing that is lost in the All UBI all the time focus is that he has over seventy position statements on his web site.

For example "UBI is not a left or right idea it is a forward-thinking idea!" and Everyone who is a citizen is entitled to their "Freedom Dividend". Slick and sounds great. But like most things from Asia when you lift the Hood and inspect the engine you are less than overwhelmed.

This is where his true thinking is belied. On the Topic of Relations with Communist Red China's CCP he is very careful to use the cautious language of Appeasement approved by Chairman Xi - that we need to build Bridges of Understanding and Win-Win relationships with China - clearly a reflection of his Taiwanese American Roots - when you live above or near the Dragons lair best not to provoke it with a sharp stick in its eye.

Communist Freaking Red China and its CCP overlords are one of the 4 Great Satanic organizations on this planet along with the NWO Globalists, Radical Isis AlQaeda Hamas Hezbollah Islamists, and the Narco-Terrorists Murdering Drugs Gangs. Most of which the CFRCs have financed and partnered with at one point in time especially with their latest One Belt one Road Debt Enslavement and Invasion diplomacy they use around the world.

Yang becomes POTUS he will appease the Communist Freaking Satanic Red Chinese and be enabler in Chief to their plans to flood the USA with Chinese factories, Chinese Infrastructure Project Engineering firms all employing Chinese workers with the Americans drawing their paltry $1K/mo UBI living below poverty as struggling starving Artists or Rube Goldberg innovators while Chinese students sue the major universities to take all of the available STEM course slots to out compete, out eat and completely beat the American barbarians at our own STEM game...

Suggest you view as many of these Chinese Uncensored YT Channel videos as you have time for:

EU Today and USA Tomorrow:

How China Is Taking Over Europe’s Ports | CCP Trade, Economy, and Politics
https://youtu.be/_XHdGPT11fk

#LearnToCode then #LearnMandarin

Yang's parents are from Taiwan, I'm guessing he's more aware of the Red China threat than most.

Post: #268

(03-14-2019 04:01 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  Move to Nigeria or Belize or some other low automation country, where people dig ditches with shovels instead of backhoes. This will give you the answer you seek.

You really trying to say a backhoe is the same as automation?

Quote:Regarding the UBI: The federal government will instantly use that to further enslave you. It doesn't matter what the wording is of the law that you pass to enable the UBI. It doesn't matter what you say now. It doesn't matter what your intentions are. The federal government is the most evil force on the planet earth and will INSTANTLY twist and distort any UBI legislation in order to fulfill their goal of universal slavery of citizenry.

Funny you think you're not a slave already.

I'm getting mixed signals from your posts. You say shithole countries do not embrace automation which is one of the reasons they are shitholes. Therefore automation is a good thing. Then you say the people who will be displaced by the automation will have to go take it up the ass since UBI is just another form of slavery. Reality check... those people will get on some kind of welfare that will cost much more than 1k a month.

The more people that are incapable of earning a living the more of a 3rd world country we become if we don't do something to take care of them. You can't have it both ways.

Post: #269

As an aside, Is anyone else sick of talk of automation or AI, saving the planet with electric cars and self driving cars?

Its so fucking sterile and BORING and points "We advertise a future you buy" instead saying "here's the tools, have a future"

Why can't we have a car that lasts indefinitely, and I can physically drive the damn thing?

A phone battery lasts longer than a day?

Cars fueled by water?

Energy sourced from the electric universe?

Post: #270

(03-14-2019 04:39 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

(03-14-2019 08:59 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  If you think oligarchs are inhuman, wait until you are ruled over by a malicious AI. Will they take pity and keep feeding you fast food and VR porn until your days are over? Fuck no.

One of my favorite Sci Fi novels addressed this. The AI were ordered to protect humanity, but humanity was to be kept under "traditional human governments" and always have 5 encryption keys to shut the whole thing down if it got out of control

It takes the AI about 4 milleseconds to figure out the most efficient way to do this was to reduce humanity to the ignorance, feudalism and barbarism of a thousand years ago (hey, those WERE "traditional human gov'ts after all) with the keys venerated as religious objects (still in human hands even if they had no idea what they were for). The plotline is the protagonists trying to get the 5 keys together and hit the off switch.

Granted, I gave it more than 4 milliseconds: 40 seconds of processing, but, I think I came to a better conclusion than all the AI of the world. So the 5 keys have to remain "into human hands" and humanity shall remain under "traditional human governments"?

Ok, I think the best solution for the AI machines would be: re-create the Cold War era governments. Lock 2 dudes in 2 separate Siberian gulags with 2 keys, lock 2 other dudes in 2 separate US super-max jails with 2 keys, and then give the last key to a Swiss banker. This way the 5 keys will never be reunited, while the requirements are fulfilled. I've just bested the whole gang of AI machines.

Post: #271

(03-14-2019 05:12 PM)Syberpunk Wrote:  As an aside, Is anyone else sick of talk of automation or AI, saving the planet with electric cars and self driving cars?

Its so fucking sterile and BORING and points "We advertise a future you buy" instead saying "here's the tools, have a future"

Why can't we have a car that lasts indefinitely, and I can physically drive the damn thing?

A phone battery lasts longer than a day?

Cars fueled by water?

Energy sourced from the electric universe?

You won't stop someone from creating AI or self-driving cars or any other form of automation. It is coming and in some cases already here.

Entrepreneurs don't care if you are bored. All they care about is creating something cool that people will use.

Industries are constantly being "disrupted" through technology and will continue to do so.

Post: #272

(03-14-2019 04:01 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

(03-14-2019 12:51 PM)BlueMark Wrote:  

(03-14-2019 12:45 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  Nigeria has the lowest level of automation.

The US, Germany, and Japan have the highest levels of automation.

I'll take more automation any time, any day, without the slightest hesitation. There is an infinite pool of new work for human beings to do if we give the low grade work to robots. There is an infinite pool of new work for human beings to do if we give the medium grade work to robots. There is an infinite pool of new work to do if we give the high grade work to robots.

What kind of work are you talking about? STEM work? That's the only work that I can think of. But many people even in high IQ populations already have trouble doing white collar desk jobs or service jobs that require math, logic, and attention to details. I don't see a large section of the population being smart and diligent enough to adapt to automation by moving to the higher ground of STEM work.

Move to Nigeria or Belize or some other low automation country, where people dig ditches with shovels instead of backhoes. This will give you the answer you seek.

I think you misread my question.

What kinds of new work people will be doing once manual labor and most desk jobs are automated?

Most people are not going to be scientists, engineers, and doctors.

Post: #273

(03-14-2019 05:24 PM)BlueMark Wrote:  I think you misread my question.

What kinds of new work people will be doing once manual labor and most desk jobs are automated?

Most people are not going to be scientists, engineers, and doctors.

I'd be interested in what this infinite pool of new work would be as well.

Post: #274

Quote:What kinds of new work people will be doing once manual labor and most desk jobs are automated?

Human chess sets with real weapons? Gladiators fighting wild animals for the amusement of the managing class?

I'm sure the super-rich will be able to support a few thousand concubines each. They're safe.

There will be plenty of jobs for mercenaries and corporate soldiers. Somebody needs to keep the poor in their place.

Post: #275

(03-14-2019 08:59 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  Being a nation of poets, we have a very old saying in portuguese: 'the amendment is worse than the sonnet', meaning that sometimes you try to fix something that is irredeemably shit, and it just ends up being more shit than it was. So you might as well just do away with the whole thing, instead of adding amendments.

This is UBI.

I know many if not most in this thread are joking, but the support for UBI is real out there even if not here.

Instead of fixing the problem of automation, by rejecting it and letting men be men again and work, people want to be made slaves to the government AND the robots simultaneously? Do people honestly believe the government will give money without asking for obedience? Do people believe that, after a transition period, the surplus UBI-recipients will be kept or, at the very least, not mandatorily sterilized? Why? What would be the benefit?

If you think oligarchs are inhuman, wait until you are ruled over by a malicious AI. Will they take pity and keep feeding you fast food and VR porn until your days are over? Fuck no. Aren't our societies destroyed by too much comfort already? Fuck yes.

At least Ocasio Cortez is bangable, Yang is just a dummy nerd.

No one is going to go full Luddite and reject automation. New types of jobs will continue to be created and outdated jobs will continue to get phased out. How many people did it take to operate a farm 200 years ago vs operate one today? Fewer people are planting seeds and more are building tractors.

How many people born in 1980 said they wanted to be a software engineer or social media marketer when they grew up?

(03-14-2019 05:12 PM)Syberpunk Wrote:  Why can't we have a car that lasts indefinitely, and I can physically drive the damn thing?

Planned obsolescence.