Post: #26

(04-14-2012 12:25 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:I mean, if she's agreed to come this far then that means she likes and wants to fuck you, so how in the world do you fuck that up?

Even in Eastern Europe? I would have agreed with you a year ago, but I've had many cases of girls coming over but absolutely not putting out.

It is because you do not give them any present.The reason they come to your apartment is because they expect a present from you.

Post: #27

(04-14-2012 03:57 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(04-14-2012 12:25 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:I mean, if she's agreed to come this far then that means she likes and wants to fuck you, so how in the world do you fuck that up?

Even in Eastern Europe? I would have agreed with you a year ago, but I've had many cases of girls coming over but absolutely not putting out.

It is because you do not give them any present.The reason they come to your apartment is because they expect a present from you.

Does a good fucking not count as a present?

aka. what is an example of a present?

Post: #28

#1 Height. I'm a tall and athletic guy (6'4). I've been blessed with height and it gives me a +1 to most women without even talking to them.

#2 Laid back/chill - Most of these chicks want someone they can go out with and have fun. I take things as they come and some girls out there are into this attitude. Never stressed about life.

#3 - Confidence. Confidence is key. Walking the line between confidence and cockiness is a delicate balance but a women can sense when a man exudes confidence and they love it.

Honorable mention - Beingin a long term relationship and then suddenly being on the market. This isn't necessarily a quality but it is definitely working to my advantage. Both in my hometown and university where everyone knew I was more or less off limits...now word is getting around that I am available.

Post: #29

(04-14-2012 04:06 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

(04-14-2012 03:57 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(04-14-2012 12:25 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:I mean, if she's agreed to come this far then that means she likes and wants to fuck you, so how in the world do you fuck that up?

Even in Eastern Europe? I would have agreed with you a year ago, but I've had many cases of girls coming over but absolutely not putting out.

It is because you do not give them any present.The reason they come to your apartment is because they expect a present from you.

Does a good fucking not count as a present?

aka. what is an example of a present?

No a penis is not considered a present.A vagina is considered a present though.A decent present can be a perfume,a cosmetic,some piece of clothing like dress etc.In general sth costing between 50-100 euro.This is acceptable for Ukrainian girls to fuck.

Post: #30

1) Methodical. Similar to Roosh's scientific brain, I work in processes not outcomes. I test and isolate single variables and look for repeatable patterns. Once I find them, I optimize and iterate until i'm sure I've got what I need. Then I move to the next.

2) Fearless. Approach anxiety? Fuck that. I can, and do, talk to anyone anywhere. I have a rule to always chat with taxi drivers in their car since they have awesome stories and info. No joke, i actually have a 'routine' i run on cabbies that gets me into a social mood even if I feel like dog shit. I ask them a question about a route, and then go into a story about a time a cabbie tried to screw me over and got a huge tip anyway. I proceeded to have amazing good luck all weekend.

3) Connected. I have friends all over my city, country and the world. I can easily locate a specialist for a business venture, find lodging in a new city, get a wingman or a tour guide for a new city without breaking a sweat. This level of connectedness greases a lot of wheels. The best use is networking to the staff of a high end venue. I have skipped the 200-person queue at NYC's Hotel Gansevoort (aka Plunge) on a Saturday night. I shouldn't have to explain what happens when you're seen walking past the velvet rope. People assume you're someone relevant. I"m not....I just know how to talk and get my way!

Post: #31

1) Quick signal/body language recognition: no hesitation to make a move

2) Humor

3) Height (6'3)/ Body builder: defined broad chest, arms, shoulders, emphasized with dressing nice (fitted clothes, etc).

Post: #32

1. I'm cocky - When I get rolling I find a way to keep the conversation sexual, talking about how good I am in bed, and if I don't creep the girl out, I build a genuine interest in what I might be like. That said, if being cocky fails, I can be pretty funny too, and just play it off like I was only joking.

2. I can be Tom Sawyer - I'm good at getting into a girl's head and convincing them to have fun. 'Painting that fence will be a blast!' 'Don't you want to take another shot?' 'Wouldn't it be fun to take off your pants?' 'Don't you think that'd feel great inside you?' Etc.

3. I'm a rocker - Girls like guys with musical talent, simple as that.

Post: #33

Awareness - being in sales taught me to be aware of potential buyers where ever I go. When I walk into a club I immediately am aware of what's around me, who is with who and who is by themselves.

Conversation - again back to sales, I can keep a conversation going with anyone about anything. I blend stories with humor. I also find common ground quickly and focus on things that she finds interesting and let her talk. I break down girls so they feel comfortable with me fast so feel like they have known me a lot longer then they have.

Social proof - taught to me by an experienced player, if I dont know people walking into a bar or club, I make friends fast. I meet the bouncers first, then the bartenders, then I seek out the owner or manager. Regulars know these people so if they see me talking to them, I must be a person of interest. or if it is not a regular that I'm talking to, I can introduce them to these people and it increases my social value. The next time I'm in the club or bar, I almost always have friends there.

Btw - I keep seeing people throw out their height, I am only 5'9". So I don't stand out physically. If you are not tall, you need to find other ways to stand out, and I do it with the art of talking.

Post: #34

1. Dancing ability - Without my dancing skills, I wouldn't have 90% of my lays. Dancing attracts girls like flies to shit. Especially young ones. Dancing allows me to sail through the attraction stage of the pickup, and when I pull a girl out of a dance venue, she is genuinely sexually interested in me just because I knew how to move her around.

2. Chill, yet commanding, vibe - People in general will not give me any problems. Yet if I start talking to them they'll pay attention and listen carefully. I know how to keep people around me relaxed while at the same time keeping my value high. Girls, especially the ones that like being dominated in bed, go for this vibe.

3. Good looks - Although I am short, I have a good looking face and I workout. Every girl I've slept with has told me I'm cute, and gay guys hit on me all the time. There's no question that being good looking is just as good as being suited up, or having hundreds of thousands in the bank. It allows me to pursue hotter girls and especially the hot short girls.

Post: #35

Charisma People like being with me, I'm sociable and everything.

Mental Agility I sense when something is going wrong, and fix it ASAP, including shit tests, cockblocks, boring convos...

Social Proof/Appearance I've been told I'm good looking, I've been told I'm funny, I've been told I'm kinda famous around my social circles

Post: #36

(04-14-2012 12:25 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:I mean, if she's agreed to come this far then that means she likes and wants to fuck you, so how in the world do you fuck that up?

Even in Eastern Europe? I would have agreed with you a year ago, but I've had many cases of girls coming over but absolutely not putting out.

I usually try to have some sort of physical contact before she gets to my apartment, but if not I try to entice her with something nice like cooking for her (which I actually like to do), continuing on a deep convo from before, showing her pictures from back home, or just watching a movie. Every now and then I get a feminazi type of bitch that is just so sure she's not going to be fucking tonight (although 100% of them will prepare the kitty before they leave just in case). Then I kinda work the angle of making her out to be a scared little girl, who is afraid to do what she wants (because at this point, they want to fuck you. just don't want to be slutty). Come from the assumption that you both want to fuck, and the only thing holding both you back is her. A lot of girls don't want a one night thing, so you have to convince her that it's not. Tell her you like her, that she likes you, and you are both adults who wanna do what adults do. You want to see her again, and you think she's a cool chick. You're a guy and you're attracted to her, and want to touch her, but that's it. It doesn't have to go further. All of this is technically true, but it still leaves the door open, which makes it deadly I think. Cause the next day the girl doesn't feel bad about what she did. The trick is convincing her you want to see her again. If she tries that "if you really wanna see me again then we have lots of time to do this" shit, continue of from the frame that she's being a scared little child that's afraid to make out, and when you start to make out, proceed for the pussy. For most girls, a wet pussy is the point of no return.

And honestly, I don't take anything off the table. I'm not above begging or negotiating lol. Well not literally begging, but more like reasoning. Girls think they have the upper hand but they don't have shit. I'll push and push but when they physically push me away, that's when I stop. When I've got the pussy out and my dick is about to penetrate, and they say no stop, I stop. Other than that, I press on.

And once I touch the pussy it's over. There's a reason why a lot of girls won't let you touch the puss during makeout sessions. It's because of guys like me. You gotta take your middle finger and slide that thing inside to use that wetness to rub all around the pussy. You gotta take her hand and put it on your cock. You gotta give her soft kisses and licks punctuated every now and then by playful bites on the lips. You gotta grab the back of her head with your free hand and push her in closer for a deeper kiss. When she feels your shit growing in her hand, that's a super turn on for her. This stuff is really just natural to me. I suck at attraction, but I think I'm a natural at sexual game.

Post: #37

Appearance-If I had discovered game earlier, like in my teens, I'm convinced I'd be well over 100 girls by now. The vast majority of my life I've been far too passive because I'm decent enough looking to get hit on by 6s and 7s regularly. When I started applying game 2 years ago the results were dramatic.

Confident/Cocky- since I started getting a supply of pussy at 18 with almost zero effort, I realized I can get pussy at any time and that translates into my personality. I take risks, say/do stupid shit, hold strong eye contact, am very sarcastic and playful, but ONLY once I'm on a date with a girl. What took me forever to learn, and was a massively humbling realization, was I didn't know how to get the pussy that I WANTED. I'd have to wait for a 6 or 7 to show interest first. Approaching has been by far the biggest hurdle for me, the one aspect where my confidence and cockiness was nonexistent. That's changed over the last year or two.

Foreplay- I think I'm a great kisser. I'm extremely aware of my actions once I'm physical with a girl. I never cut loose until my dick is inside her. Until then, I'm very conscious of how i'm kissing her, pressure, what my tongue is doing, what my hands are doing. I like to think of it as multi tasking or playing a complex musical piece. Kissing a girls neck while wrapping my arm around her lower back, pulling her in, other hand brushing over her tits or running along her leg. That sort of thing. I've been told by several girls, "I promised myself I wouldn't have sex with you tonight." I know that's a common statement from sluts, but in most cases I think my foreplay skills got them to that point.

I wish my answers were more in the approaching/spitting game/kino escalation/SNL category, but I'm working on it...

Post: #38

Confidence: I may border on Cocky. I just believe i should get the best women available.

Looks: I've been told that I could model. Alot of bangs I've had, my looks got me in door or did most of the work for me.

Humor: Ladies love my sense of humor with wit combo.

Post: #39

1. Looks. By far the strongest contributor to getting laid and also the largest detriment to really pushing my skills. On any given night at a club there will be, at a minimum, at least five 6-8's walk up to me and tell me I'm hot/sexy/attractive. 7s and 8s have literally stopped walking in their tracks and stared at me until I come over to talk to them. Not bragging, it is what it is, and it has definite downsides - but on whole, a huge positive.

2. Style. Not rocking suits on the regular, but I've improved this a lot over the last couple of years and have found a casual style that really works for me. Regularly get complimented on this.

3. Ability to read body language. I know instantly when a girl loses interest or finds a conversational direction boring/offending. Allows me to quickly change topics before I lose her permanently.

Post: #40

Am I too forward to ask you to display your style/appearance? It is always useful to see real-world examples of things that make women react so strongly.

(04-15-2012 06:46 PM)Puck Wrote:  1. Looks. By far the strongest contributor to getting laid and also the largest detriment to really pushing my skills. On any given night at a club there will be, at a minimum, at least five 6-8's walk up to me and tell me I'm hot/sexy/attractive. 7s and 8s have literally stopped walking in their tracks and stared at me until I come over to talk to them. Not bragging, it is what it is, and it has definite downsides - but on whole, a huge positive.

2. Style. Not rocking suits on the regular, but I've improved this a lot over the last couple of years and have found a casual style that really works for me. Regularly get complimented on this.

3. Ability to read body language. I know instantly when a girl loses interest or finds a conversational direction boring/offending. Allows me to quickly change topics before I lose her permanently.

Post: #41

redacted - Sorry, but I'm not going to post a pic of me online. Take my privacy pretty seriously.

I probably should qualify those statement by saying that I don't live in Tier 1 city and compared to the guys in those cities I imagine that I don't dress all that well (nor would I be considered as attractive in a place like NYC/LA/Miami). Environment makes a huge difference.

One phrase I read (here, I think) is that girls don't like different, girls like same-different. Basically, I take the typical young professional look of my city and I do it better than most. For example, I have very bright green eyes, so I take the time to find specific colours of clothing that make my eyes pop more than normal and actually fit well. This takes time and effort and most guys around me don't bother to do that. Not living in a Tier 1 city, even little things like keeping my shoes well polished is something that most around me don't do. One really doesn't have to do Mystery type peacocking to stand out in a crowd, at least where I live.

I'm pretty sure it's my facial bone structure that's better than most and I stand around 5'11 and a solid 190 lbs. Again, same-different, I'm in better shape than the majority of guys, but not so big that girls see me as a meathead bodybuilder.

There are lots of guys with good style and lots of well built guys wearing too-small T's and jeans, but not very many who do both. And that's where I found a niche that works for me. But again, I'm not in a Tier 1 city.

Post: #42

My top 3:
1) Putting myself in situations where single women are around me
2) My looks (including style)
3) Conversational aptitude (key element--the you need me I don't need you attitude)

Putting myself in situations where single women are around me isn't really a personal quality, but it's just so basic and instrumental.

This list answers the question a little better:
1) My looks (including style)
2) Conversational aptitude (key element--the you need me I don't need you attitude)
3) I make an effort to hang around cool people (also, we derive status from our associations & cool people have hot girls in the social circle).

My focus right now is mostly on self-improvement in order to leverage women's hypergamous instincts. F. Roger Devlin and Heartiste / R. wrote some interesting stuff on this topic. This not only has the benefit of attracting girls, and hotter ones at that, but it gives me the ability to support a family (if I choose to go that route at some point) or just enjoy the benefits of monetary abundance. Let's face it, even though men have an expiration date that lasts longer than women's, at some point we will need money and/or status if we want to have young attractive women in our old age, that is, if we make it to old age.

Post: #43

(04-15-2012 07:59 PM)Puck Wrote:  redacted - Sorry, but I'm not going to post a pic of me online. Take my privacy pretty seriously.

All he wanted to see was your style, it'd be easy to post a pic with your head out of the picture.

Post: #44

opps

ill repost tmw, i was trying to save a draft

i gotta think about it

Post: #45

Right, but it's no big deal. I fancy myself a pretty decent looking guy, have been called plenty of names to that effect by women that already like me...just never a random girl at a bar. I'm 6'1 195 lbs, but still got a little extra body fat on me. I don't know if my style of dress is any good or not

(04-15-2012 08:53 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(04-15-2012 07:59 PM)Puck Wrote:  redacted - Sorry, but I'm not going to post a pic of me online. Take my privacy pretty seriously.

All he wanted to see was your style, it'd be easy to post a pic with your head out of the picture.

Post: #46

1. Living Without Fear

Eliminating fear from my mind is one of my favorite hobbies. It really helps with the ladies. Not being afraid to speak up, not being afraid to talk, not being afraid to approach, not being afraid to fail. A fearless mind has been my greatest wingman.

2. Being a Little Different

Sometimes it helps, sometimes it hurts but I wouldn't have it any other way. I hate looking like a follower. I hate to be just another guy who looks, walks and talks like everyone else. I think that is so beta. I try to give them a unique experience.

3. Persistence

A few years ago, I had to approach 100 girls to get laid. I never gave a fuck. I learned from every approach. It was fun for me. It made me hungrier. I approached more. I never get down on myself, I never stop working. I enjoy this grind!

Post: #47

Giovonny: how do you go about figuring out fears + eliminating them from your mind? Any resources or tips to share?

Post: #48

(04-16-2012 02:20 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  Giovonny: how do you go about figuring out fears + eliminating them from your mind? Any resources or tips to share?

Many. I have posted on this many times. I gotta go to work but I'll come back later and post some resources..

Post: #49

1.Charisma

I have the capacity of easily making bonds with people, and I have very sharp social intelligence. I know very well how to relate with people on their level. I know how to be engaging, and I know how to chat with the most varied types and work on a group. And what I find most important, something that I learned through the years: I know how to use my charisma as a tool. Meaning that I just know how and when to use it, I can turn it on and off, sort of. I can go by unoticed and discreetly when I want, but I can also easily turn into the center of attetion, all that being very natural and spontaneous.

2.Good understanding of people/depth.

I'm naturally a very deep person, and yet I can still be lighthearted and funny. I have a developed "third eye" and understand where people, girls are at emotionally. I feel I can grasp quite well where they are comming from, and calibrate towards it and according to my purposes. I know how to "connect" with people on a deeper level, I have a good intuition as to how girls "click".

3.Being well-cultured and different.

I think girls can pick when a guy is well-cultured and what nots. This lead to varied and diverse topics of conversation. I've had many times girls impressed how I knew this or that detail either from their culture or from their profession, things regular joe's don't know. I can recall a few times I knew something or other from their own culture that not even they knew... But I guess that would only make me geeky

Post: #50

1. Extremely fit. Now able to benc 175% of body weight and run 5
Miles daily. V-neck is the shirt of choice
2. Money. Gets knocked on here, but having the fluidity to move to literally any venue helps me set up any date I want, also gives me travel stories, basically logistics are all done.
3. Fearless. Have 0 approach anxiety, finally.