Post: #1326

Post: #1327

I would let Maduro stay in power if he agreed to put Styx Hexenhammer in a particularly unpleasant prison camp.

Anyway look like we're not invading after all, which is good news!
Go Trump, for not taking neocon bait!

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Post: #1329

Captn, the Libya vid is by a normie open borders globalist, he presents the Libyan invasion as some kind of well-meaning humanitarian mission that somehow went wrong, as if Iraq never happened, when in fact it was just a mission to destroy the country, destabilize the region (fueling the African immigration onslaught into Europe), and to steal its gold and assets, preventing Gaddafi from establishing an alternative gold-backed organic regional currency. The ensuing chaos after the invasion was by design.

Here's the same normie fruitcake sucking Trudeau's pole:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHQ2lrAjKQk
(no need to click, it's just this fruitcake fawning over Justine T.)

Post: #1330

(03-02-2019 05:49 PM)911 Wrote:  Captn, the Libya vid is by a normie open borders globalist, he presents the Libyan invasion as some kind of well-meaning humanitarian mission that somehow went wrong, as if Iraq never happened, when in fact it was just a mission to destroy the country, destabilize the region (fueling the African immigration onslaught into Europe), and to steal its gold and assets, preventing Gaddafi from establishing an alternative gold-backed organic regional currency. The ensuing chaos after the invasion was by design.

Here's the same normie fruitcake sucking Trudeau's pole:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHQ2lrAjKQk
(no need to click, it's just this fruitcake fawning over Justine T.)

He had some interesting "official narrative" takes that I didn't know about which is why I posted.

Post: #1331

I read that Elliot Abrams is pushing to get TPS declared for Venezuelan migrants to the USA.

“Invade the world, invite the world” really is a brilliant summation of neoconservatism.

Post: #1332

Why anyone here shills for Venezuela is beyond me. He's a mass-murderer.

Not only do our allies, Brazil and Columbia, hate Venezuela, but the Chavistas are responsible for creating huge waves of refugees that are pushing northward into the USA.

He is a ruthless commie who deserves to be treated as he treats his people, with no mercy.

Drop a few hundred megaton bombs on his head. Let the right wingers take over the country and hopefully the people remain inside Venezuela instead of flooding our borders.

Post: #1333

(03-04-2019 04:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Why anyone here shills for Venezuela is beyond me. He's a mass-murderer.

Not only do our allies, Brazil and Columbia, hate Venezuela, but the Chavistas are responsible for creating huge waves of refugees that are pushing northward into the USA.

He is a ruthless commie who deserves to be treated as he treats his people, with no mercy.

Drop a few hundred megaton bombs on his head. Let the right wingers take over the country and hopefully the people remain inside Venezuela instead of flooding our borders.

Its always amusing to see so-called America First people hoping for the destruction of a country close to them.

"Shilling"

Please point out where Maduro is a mass murderer. I'm dying to see those stats. Oh and while you're at it please tell me how many people died in Iraq 2.0?

Post: #1334

(03-04-2019 02:45 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  I read that Elliot Abrams is pushing to get TPS declared for Venezuelan migrants to the USA.

“Invade the world, invite the world” really is a brilliant summation of neoconservatism.

Abrams is a neocon Jewish supremacist, who after being discredited in the Iran Contra affair went into retirement from politics, and wrote some personal memoirs about his philosophy for his own community, clearly laying out the double standard.

Here below are some excerpts from and comments about his book, "Faith or Fear", which show the double standards on two levels, both in his belief that American culture is encroaching on Judaic values (with ironically, liberal Judaism driving that culture), and on his level as a high-level neocon political operative who has been actively fueling mass immigration from Latin America by destabilizing countries like Nicaragua and Honduras, which weakens and dilutes heritage American culture, just as his neocon colleagues have destabilized the middle east in order to flood Europe with migrants, weakening European culture.

He's strongly against intermarriage with goyim, which he views as "pollution of Jewish identity":

Quote:the accommodationists are wrong. Intermarriage is both inevitable in our open society, and immensely threatening to Jewish continuity here. The Jewish community must avoid excuses and circumlocutions, and recognize that only a powerful Jewish identity built on the faith and practice of Judaism can enable young American Jews to resist the temptation of intermarriage. Only that faith can explain to them why they should resist the melting pot and build a family that takes its place in the covenant of Abraham.

Quote:Elliott Abrams’s book, Faith or Fear. He wrote it a dozen years ago, during his lion in winter phase, when he probably thought he’d never get back into power. Its credo: Jewish "separatism," which Abrams openly praises. He suggests that Jews should sit shiva (mourn as dead) Jews who marry out.

"Scolding, rejection, and exclusion" worked, he says. Now’s the time to elevate "separatism and particularism, group identity and group survival, above social integration, individualism, and liberal ideals." Strong medicine? "Wrenching changes" are necessary in the Jewish community to avert the pollution of Jewish identity and community. The walls have to go back up.

It’s not just intermarriage, it’s Christian values, "in which personal faith is the key and community membership and solidarity are of much less importance." These individualistic Christian "traditions" leak into intermarried households. Whereas the Jewish "covenant with God… imposes special obligations upon [Jews]" to inculcate that aforesaid "community membership and solidarity." The Jewish community has been "wrecked" by intermarriage, and every Jew must "instruct his or her children in Judaism, not in the virtues of free thinking. Judaism imposes obligations binding on one and on one’s offspring."

Quote: CounterPunch magazine ran an extensive article on one of the leading neoconservatives, Elliot Abrams. The article shows clearly the thoroughly Jewish roots and currents that make the neocon movement nothing more than a Jewish supremacist apparatus. One of the more revealing quotes shows that Abrams had even written a paper on how American secularism is a threat to Jewish identity. Yes, Jewish identity is paramount, and Jewish success and power is dependent on destroying the “identity” of those who might oppose the Jewish identity and agenda. Abrams and all the Jewish neocons operate under the guiding principle that the more fractured and multicultural a society is the more amenable it is to Jewish ultra-ethnicism. One fascinating area is how many of the Liberals who opposed the war are now in lockstep with the Neocons. But, then when you examine the ethnic identity of those liberals you find again the one linking, powerful factor in the world’s political dynamics: Jewish supremacism. Even if support of Israel’s ultra-racist agenda is a violation of every liberal taboo, so be it, for it is not about liberalism or conservatism at all, it is simply about Jewish supremacism.

Quote: Jews are "above all members of a religious community," he wrote in that book, his emphasis. "Outside the land of Israel, there can be no doubt that Jews, faithful to the covenant between God and Abraham, are to stand apart from the nation in which they live. It is the very nature of being Jewish to be apart–except in Israel–from the rest of the population."

Knowing precisely how Abrams feels about the danger of the melting pot "polluting" his tribe, it's fairly clear what his goal is when he destabilizes Central America, and advocates for letting in refugees from Latin America and other places like Haiti (see his article below). So if Venezuela is thrown into a Syria-like 10 year civil war with 5 million refugees, look for Abrams and his fellow neocons to advocate for open borders.




Elliott Abrams: Let more Haitians move to U.S.

Elliott Abrams | senior fellow at National Council on Foreign Relations Jan 23, 2010

The outpouring of pledges to “rebuild” Haiti has spurred debate about how much aid will be needed, for how long and who could administer such a large program efficiently. In 2008, the last year for which statistics are available, Haiti received more than $900 million in all forms of aid, and many analysts suggest that total must be doubled if “recovery” is to happen. But it is doubtful whether such additional commitments will be made — and kept — as Haiti moves off the front pages.

“Rebuilding” and “recovery” would merely take Haiti, this hemisphere’s poorest country, back to where it stood before the Jan. 12 earthquake. Surely, our goal is to do better. We must increase aid but also allow Haitians to help themselves, and there is no way they can do that sitting in a devastated nation. A substantial number of Haitians must be allowed to move to richer countries -- including ours.

Haiti has approximately 9 million citizens, and 1 million to 2 million Haitians live outside their country. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, half a million people born in Haiti live in the United States, and estimates put several hundred thousand in Canada and as many as 100,000 in France. Those migrants send home $1.9 billion in remittances -- double the official aid flows and equal to 30 percent of Haiti’s gross domestic product.

These sums are greatly exceeded by some of Haiti’s neighbors. The 1.3 million Dominicans living in the United States send home $3 billion in remittances, an amount 20 times as much as official aid flows. A million Hondurans living abroad send home $2.7 billion, providing eight times the global foreign aid Honduras receives. The 1.5 million Salvadorans living here send home $3.8 billion, 15 times official aid flows.

A larger Haitian diaspora would be a far better base for the country’s economic future than aid pledges that may or may not be met. If several hundred thousand more Haitians were able to migrate, those Dominican, Honduran or Salvadoran numbers suggest that remittances to Haiti would give its economy a huge and continuing jolt.

This would require Canada, France and the United States -- the First World countries with the largest Haitian diaspora communities -- to adopt a different and more liberal immigration policy toward Haiti. Canada has already stepped up, expediting immigration applications from Haitians with family members living there. Canada’s immigration minister noted that “we anticipate there will be a number of new applications, which we will treat on a priority basis.”

But France and the United States have so far agreed only to no longer send Haitians back to Haiti. Washington has granted “temporary protected status,” or TPS, meaning that deportation of Haitians already in the United States is stayed for 18 months. In fact, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has suggested that Haitians must stay where they are despite conditions on the island, saying in a Jan. 15 statement: “At this moment of tragedy in Haiti it is tempting for people suffering in the aftermath of the earthquake to seek refuge elsewhere. But attempting to leave Haiti now will only bring more hardship to the Haitian people and nation.”

The secretary went on: “The Department of Homeland Security continues to extend sympathy to our Haitian neighbors and support the worldwide relief effort under way in every way we can.”
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Well, not every way we can -- for one of the best ways to help Haiti is to allow some Haitians to move abroad. It is ridiculous to argue that leaving Haiti in the coming year or two “will only bring more hardship to the Haitian people and nation.” Migration would mean that Haiti needs to provide fewer hospital beds, schools, meals and jobs -- and migrants’ remittances will be key to Haiti’s economic recovery for decades to come.

President Obama said that the disaster in Haiti “is one of those moments that calls out for American leadership.” He should be asking Congress not only to provide aid funds but also to allow a significant increase in the number of Haitians legally admitted to the United States -- to several times the roughly 25,000 per year in the past decade. Canada and France should do the same. There are no panaceas for Haiti’s recovery, but any sensible approach must include migration from the island. If the United States is committed to giving Haiti hope for the future, enlarging the Haitian diaspora is a sure-fire way to succeed.

Elliott Abrams, a senior fellow for Middle Eastern studies at the Council on Foreign Relations, was assistant secretary of state for inter-American affairs in the Reagan administration and a deputy national security adviser to President George W. Bush. This column first appeared in the Washington Post.

Post: #1335

(03-04-2019 04:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Why anyone here shills for Venezuela is beyond me. He's a mass-murderer.

Not only do our allies, Brazil and Columbia, hate Venezuela, but the Chavistas are responsible for creating huge waves of refugees that are pushing northward into the USA.

He is a ruthless commie who deserves to be treated as he treats his people, with no mercy.

Drop a few hundred megaton bombs on his head. Let the right wingers take over the country and hopefully the people remain inside Venezuela instead of flooding our borders.

Yeah, while you left Samseau it seems like every thread in the political forum is just like a balance who finishes by being pointed in the same direction. Anti US anti jewish anti this and that. On this thread we have seen people posting stats for Maduro and even economical charts.

I would find this less absurd if I actually understood the point of some of these posters. I get black pill I get the nihilism, but I don't get is their goal, values or anything.

But yeah Maduro is super popular here he's big. Some guys would cry I think if something bad happened to him.

Post: #1336

You've got millions fleeing the country, starving, looking for food, hyperinflation north of 1,000,000% and you ask me to prove Maduro and his Chavistas are not good?

Please, what a waste of time. I've actually spoken to real life Venezuelan refugees in my city. The Chavistas are scum who deserve torture.

Post: #1337

Curunir, for the last time please stop conflating "not wanting to waste American lives and money in a yet another globalist intervention" with "supporting Maduro".

Post: #1338

While you're here, Sams, could you provide us with a list of impoverished nations governed by meanies and the order in which you think they should be liberated with white lives and national debt?

Post: #1339

(03-05-2019 05:45 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  While you're here, Sams, could you provide us with a list of impoverished nations governed by meanies and the order in which you think they should be liberated with white lives and national debt?

The ones with oil should be liberated with white lives and national debt.

Post: #1340

(03-05-2019 02:18 AM)Samseau Wrote:  You've got millions fleeing the country, starving, looking for food, hyperinflation north of 1,000,000% and you ask me to prove Maduro and his Chavistas are not good?

Please, what a waste of time. I've actually spoken to real life Venezuelan refugees in my city. The Chavistas are scum who deserve torture.

"Mass mruder". By that reckoning your entire country should be fucked up the ass by Russia and China for what its done. That European crsis was set up by israel and you conducted the means to move them.

Where did the shit economy come from Samseau? It wasn't just stupidity from typical SA corruption that got them to this point.

Real life refugees huh? I've spoken with plenty of 'fugees in the UK and dont they all have sob stories? Fuck these guys dont even know their arse from their elbow and you believe them 100%?

Its funny how they weren't fucking off in droves when the going was good. They dont favour the regime and vice versa so ofcourse they're going to run but the government of Maduro isn't the one gutting and beheading people in the streets ala Mexico, thats a criminal problem.

I tend to believe that whatever Mike 'CIA' Pompeo and John 'Israel First' Bolton say on a matter is well crafted mainstream bullshit to start winding things up until it becomes a necessary choice to start shooting.

This isn't about shilling for Maduros obviously corrupt and stupid regime, it is about telling the bullshit from the truth.

Maduro is no mass murderer and believing sob stories from refugees only gives 1 half of the story.

Post: #1341

Blowing up a country's economy is their own fault. They sit on piles of oil, no reason to starve. People are starving and eating food out of the trash. That's on the leader who robs his own country blind while the rest starve. He's a mass murderer who will go to hell.

Quote:While you're here, Sams, could you provide us with a list of impoverished nations governed by meanies and the order in which you think they should be liberated with white lives and national debt?

Spending a few million on bombs is far cheaper than the damage they do to us as migrants and refugees here, where each person ends up costing millions over their lifetime and vote in more Socialists. No thanks!! As long as we have open borders, any country creating refugees in South America is very much our concern.

Post: #1342

(03-06-2019 04:01 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Spending a few million on bombs is far cheaper than the damage they do to us as migrants and refugees here, where each person ends up costing millions over their lifetime and vote in more Socialists. No thanks!! As long as we have open borders, any country creating refugees in South America is very much our concern.

You've got to be kidding. Building a wall, instituting e-verify and organizing some deportations costs literally 1% of a military intervention per country, and there are 30 countries in South America that might or might not someday require a military intervention.

Post: #1343

If it wasn't for Venezuela being one of the few effective staging areas for an invasion of the USA, I would be all for leaving them alone completely.

Unfortunately, they are and the US must take the situation seriously. For all of America's stupid foreign wars and providing defense to other nations, this is the one case where the USA has a legitimate interest.

I will say that I do worry about Venezuela becoming a permanently failed state. It probably won't be too long before no US refineries are calibrated to buy their oil, and then the country's main source of revenue will be gone except maybe during another 1973/2008 style price spike. It's worth keeping in mind that even China will not buy their oil. Let's be honest: without oil it can never recover.

Would containment be an acceptable compromise?

Force the refugees, who overwhelmingly voted freely for this inevitable conclusion over 20 years ago and bitched and moaned about 2 coups to try to save them, to sleep in the bed that they made and block Russia, China, and Islamists from screwing around there. No one gets out or in. Otherwise, leave it alone.

Post: #1344

(03-06-2019 07:57 AM)beta_plus Wrote:  If it wasn't for Venezuela being one of the few effective staging areas for an invasion of the USA, I would be all for leaving them alone completely.

Where did you hear this and why do you think it's not goofy propaganda from the same place that brought you "Weapons of Mass Destruction"?

Post: #1345

There is no amalgamation to make between US military intervention in the middle east and US military intervention in the Americas.

The references should be more Panama and Grenada than Afghanistan and Iraq.

As the poster above I think military intervention in Venezuela would do great good to the region, capitalism and would greatly help Trump and conservatism in general.

This being said it would be way better of course if Maduro could fall by other means without any military intervention or loss of lives.

Post: #1346

(03-06-2019 09:10 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 07:57 AM)beta_plus Wrote:  If it wasn't for Venezuela being one of the few effective staging areas for an invasion of the USA, I would be all for leaving them alone completely.

Where did you hear this and why do you think it's not goofy propaganda from the same place that brought you "Weapons of Mass Destruction"?

Monroe doctrine

Post: #1347

(03-06-2019 07:57 AM)beta_plus Wrote:  If it wasn't for Venezuela being one of the few effective staging areas for an invasion of the USA, I would be all for leaving them alone completely.

USA is more likely to be invaded from Andromeda than from Venezuela.

Post: #1348

(03-06-2019 12:32 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 07:57 AM)beta_plus Wrote:  If it wasn't for Venezuela being one of the few effective staging areas for an invasion of the USA, I would be all for leaving them alone completely.

USA is more likely to be invaded from Andromeda than from Venezuela.

Having a country where you can set up a base and operate from is more favourable than having to operate from a Navy when projecting power.

The threat isn't the Venezuelan military. It's countries like chyna trying to expand their power (who recently opened their first overseas base) taking advantage of the political instability of a country.

Post: #1349

(03-06-2019 05:27 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 04:01 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Spending a few million on bombs is far cheaper than the damage they do to us as migrants and refugees here, where each person ends up costing millions over their lifetime and vote in more Socialists. No thanks!! As long as we have open borders, any country creating refugees in South America is very much our concern.

You've got to be kidding. Building a wall, instituting e-verify and organizing some deportations costs literally 1% of a military intervention per country, and there are 30 countries in South America that might or might not someday require a military intervention.

The wall isn't going to stop anything except allow a more orderly flow of migrants into America.

As soon as a Dem pres gets in, the wall is nothing more than decoration. Any executive action is just as easily undone.

The long term solution isn't pure isolation but actually try to help out neighboring countries without too much of a cost to oneself.

Post: #1350

(03-04-2019 04:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Why anyone here shills for Venezuela is beyond me. He's a mass-murderer.

Not only do our allies, Brazil and Columbia, hate Venezuela, but the Chavistas are responsible for creating huge waves of refugees that are pushing northward into the USA.

He is a ruthless commie who deserves to be treated as he treats his people, with no mercy.

Drop a few hundred megaton bombs on his head. Let the right wingers take over the country and hopefully the people remain inside Venezuela instead of flooding our borders.

So we nuke Caracas, let unspecified "right-wingers" take over the country, and then hope that the flood of refugees stops?

This does not seem like a plan into which serious thought has been put.