Post: #51

(11-13-2017 03:58 PM)Steelex Wrote:  I swear some of you cock block yourselves, mother hen style.

The first step to banging her on the first date is to kiss her on the first date. You gotta crawl before you ball, but you CAN crawl and ball in the same night. And that is way better than trying to slow-cook your way into some twat.

I would also say that that the sooner you fuck a girl, the quicker she invests into you. It's like she realizes that she fell for your trap and now has to post-rationalize her behavior to herself. ESPECIALLY if you gave her a super intense fucking, dominated her, fucked up her makeup, made her squirt, tortured her, ect...

I think that making a girl your whore lightning fast is the best way to bulldoze and bypass all that flakey, annoying, shit testing crap. Girls don't shit test guys that fuck their ass cheeks black and blue.

This might enhance your chances-- but dominating a chick/she goes wild during the sex is no guarantee you're getting her out again.

Post: #52

Second and third dates are dead imo. Its iether bang or nothing.exception is virgin and religious girls those take longer

Post: #53

The last girl who I didn't kiss on the first date I never saw again. I simply lost interest, and I can't honestly say it was because we didn't kiss, but I am sure indirectly that played a part. In this day, most women I am involved with would think something was wrong with a guy if he didn't try to kiss them the first night.

Post: #54

I am interested in what guys here think about all this regarding Balkan nations. If you ever visited our Balkan countries and took our local girls to dates, what did you encounter?

I am asking because in my experience even though I at least try to kiss on first date, I don't hear much about this from guys/girls around me and these guys are still getting further dates and entering into relationships later. Is this some kind of blue pilled slow game that works here or just exceptions?

Post: #55

(11-11-2017 10:36 AM)EmotionalGeek Wrote:  Will you set up another date if You didn't manage to kiss the girl in first one? What is your limit and experience?

If I didn't bang them the first time we went out, I wouldn't see them again.
But I live in Asia where sex is viewed as casual entertainment.

PS. Mostly they don't kiss much, not mouth to mouth anyway.

Post: #56

My thought today on this subject is as to how much the 1st date kiss-close matters at all, given how it doesn't MEAN ANYTHING to her. So, maybe I'm over-thinking it. If I want to kiss her, fuckin' kiss her.

Post: #57

So I met this Ukraine 7.5 20yo off CS hangout.
I took her to scooter ride and we had a nice day together, at the end of the day I tried to escalate on the beach and kiss her - got rejected.
I said farewell and wished her good time on her trip.
Two days after, she send a msg me out of the blue that says her friend ditched her and ask if I wanna hang.
I come, we had deep talks, I touch her all the time, she join hands with me while walking on the street, but when I tried to hold her hand - she would be hesitant.
At the end I tried to kiss again - got rejected.
I had the feeling she put me in the friend zone as she tells me about threesome, Colombian guy she fucked ect..
Day after she asks me if I want to join her for salsa.
As I felt she she use me just for being friend I did not feel like spending time with her anymore, so I sent her this:

Her: are you coming to salsa?
Me: I rather pass, I'm man man. So I wanna spend my time with someone who wants me tonight and I feel you not in the mood for some fun?
you really sweet and curious.. I wish u a great trip.


1) As I know some girls take their time, should I have not sent that msg? I know Ukraine girls are hard

2) I'm not the best salsa dancer and I would not feel comfortable there

What should I have done?

Post: #58

(02-03-2019 07:34 AM)jorge1 Wrote:  Her: are you coming to salsa?
Me: I rather pass, I'm man man. So I wanna spend my time with someone who wants me tonight and I feel you not in the mood for some fun?
you really sweet and curious.. I wish u a great trip.

In my opinion you came across as a little butthurt, because you feel she is just using you for attention and we don't like being used, but at the same time, maybe you just dodged a bullet?

After this message she will either answer something that will give you two chance again to meet again or will say something that you means she is not interested. In either way, you are not losing anything. On the contrary you can move on fast if she rejects you.

Post: #59

She said: Enjoy your evening, man man )

Well, I think i did dogged bullet, but who knows its Ukraine..... she was young but not naive....
And 2nd reject?
I don't usually aim for sluts. she was good girl.
I had it in the past that a girl i met and did not kiss actually respected that i did not hit on her, because in TelAviv, girls are being hit all the time

Post: #60

Damn that's a cold reply, but it's all good, you can move on now. No more wasting time on her, she used you for validation in my opinion.

But next time, try not to come off as butthurt, should have just said "No thanks, i got plans" and put her on ice for a week or two before sending a restart text.

90% of the time if they initiate contact again, they're interested.

Post: #61

Yeah its cold, not surprised from ukraine.
but she did initiated contact 2nd time.
And i couldn't put her on ice, she was about to leave country day after the salsa..

I just ask if i should have gone with her or not, because second time kiss reject sound is terrible.

Post: #62

There's some bullshit in this thread... "if I don't kiss her I don't hear from her..." I just had the best sex in ten years from a Milf I didn't kiss on date 1 or date 2. Banged date 3

I think people have it ass backwards - Its not the kiss that determines success, its the attraction, vibe and how you are feeling each other that might mean a kiss, or not.

Don't overthink it, just do what you are feeling.

Not Kissing it NOT the "kiss of death"

Post: #63

(02-04-2019 03:49 AM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  There's some bullshit in this thread... "if I don't kiss her I don't hear from her..." I just had the best sex in ten years from a Milf I didn't kiss on date 1 or date 2. Banged date 3

I think people have it ass backwards - Its not the kiss that determines success, its the attraction, vibe and how you are feeling each other that might mean a kiss, or not.

Don't overthink it, just do what you are feeling.

Not Kissing it NOT the "kiss of death"

The juice is not worth the squeeze.

FACT: a woman has decided in less than 2 minutes if you are a yes/maybe or a no. The rest of the interaction merely determines if you are getting moved out of the maybe/yes category into the no category.

Fact: A recent study done showed that in a blind survey, 50% of MARRIED women admitted to having a plan B guy on the back burner.

A woman that is hot for you WANTS TO KISS YOU. If you fail to do that then she will likely be turned off by you and view it as a form of rejection.

I ALWAYS kiss close a girl I'm interested in usually at the end of the first encounter with her. If she isn't willing to kiss you why the hell would you assume that she is going to get into bed with you after the 2,d 3rd or 50th date.

You ideally should be going after women that are giving you clear indications of interest. If she won't kiss you on the first date why do you assume anything is going to change over time? What do you think you have some magic kino or escalation techniques that will magically turn on the attraction button? Wake up, dudes.

Stop "chasing" the girls you have really work at getting and go after the hottie that is already into you before you even open your mouth.

Post: #64

I take AMS advice. No kiss unless there's a place for us to bang

Post: #65

jorge1, you're over-analyzing. Ukrainian and Russian girls are expert players...They like to dangle the carrot in front of men and use them for freebies.
Besides, scooter ride sounds like a boyfriend activity, combined with sharing her stories about banging other guys, she most likely put you in the friend zone. Avoid talking too much about relationships with girls, that's the kind of shit they discuss with other chicks or their gay friends/beta orbiters not with the guys they fuck.

Post: #66

In my experience: do not start something that you do not intend to finish.

I've kissed girls on a first date and never saw them again. I no longer make out with girls unless I'm trying to sleep with them on the same date

Post: #67

(11-11-2017 10:36 AM)EmotionalGeek Wrote:  Will you set up another date if You didn't manage to kiss the girl in first one? What is your limit and experience?

No, definitely no for the girl I have been meeting. She frankly rejected me and said she just wanted to have her first kiss after marriage. How can I wait until that day when she had some many things to ask from her man. I prefer play some mantigames' free online games or watch some romantic movies online (free of course) to investing too much on her...

Post: #68

(02-04-2019 03:49 AM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  There's some bullshit in this thread... "if I don't kiss her I don't hear from her..." I just had the best sex in ten years from a Milf I didn't kiss on date 1 or date 2. Banged date 3

I think people have it ass backwards - Its not the kiss that determines success, its the attraction, vibe and how you are feeling each other that might mean a kiss, or not.

Don't overthink it, just do what you are feeling.

Not Kissing it NOT the "kiss of death"

Yes.

I kissed girls on a first date and never saw them again.

2 girls that fell in love to me: the first one kissed me on first date (idc if you dont believe me - 10 months relationship) and the second one, I kissed her on 6 date. Yes, 6 date, the next week banged all the days. Obviously, I knew already that she liked me. So, it depends on the attaction.

Conclusion to me: It is too relative and depends on each girl.

Post: #69

Kissing it's self is not the reason women don't continue the contact. I've had women who kissed in public on the first meeting (wasn't a date), rejected the pull and wanted to meet again. In that case I was the one resisting.

I did have one hot one in a bar who was enthusiastically macking and her friends pulled her away before I could pay my tab. I had her number and vice versa. Never reengaged. Oh well.

Come to think of it, I very seldom have actually asked a girl out on a "first date". Generally I will meet them somewhere in a social setting and escalate during that time period. Once I determine genuine interest on her part then we either progress to sex or make a date for another time.

When you do have PDA with a woman in a social setting it is kinda like "peeing in the pool" and makes you off limits to other women. If you are discrete about it, you may be able to get a pull to "somewhere a little more private". If you show you respect her reputation, she will be more likely to go further in private. Keep that in mind.

I'd never date a woman who was not willing to kiss on a first date, or reciprocate physical touch.

Post: #70

Funny, i d go as far as to say you can fuck a girl on first date and never see her again.

Calibration is key as always. My ex girlfriend was a virgin before she met me. Took me 3 dates to kiss her then another 2 months to take her cherry. Some girls i d kiss on first date and never see them again, some would really take time.

Always be closing, but dont throw it all away jist because you didn't kiss. If you want to look for ltr material it's actually pretty important.

Post: #71

I remember Mystery saying a long time ago to just get the first kiss over with as quickly as possible, then bounce to another venue.
It creates the illusion in her mind that she's been with you for a long time by the end of the night.
He also put the average time to close at 7 hours, whether all in a row or broken up into 2 or 3 dates.
IME he's exactly right.
That dude had things figured out.

Post: #72

Talking from experience, I'd also argue that in general kissing and others forms of "over-escalation" (like getting overly physical, etc.) can backfire seriously if you do it somewhere where you can't bang. Over-escalation here would be any act that sends an unambiguous signal to the girl that you will definitely have sex once you get back to your place (or wherever it is would you would be able to do it).

I think there are two different explanations for this, namely: 1) girls who are mainly out for validation and attention already get satisfied at this point--they have already received the "offer" of sex through your over-escalation and can safely turn the actual sex down it. It's a bit like the pleasure of receiving a job offer even though you are just going to turn it down. Alternatively, 2) the girl isn't into sex on the first date, or isn't into you sufficiently, and being fully aware due to your over-escalation that you are clearly expecting sex, chooses to run away while she still is able to.

For this reason, naturally, I think it's generally safer not to kiss or over-escalate in these situations. I made this rookie mistake several times when I was a far less wiser man. Things like heavily making out in public or non-coital sex in places where it would be difficult to bang several times just led to flaking and no actual coital sex in the end, which baffled me at the time but makes sense now.

Post: #73

(11-13-2017 11:37 PM)Repo Wrote:  If she doesn't drink but has a fun personality I would still take her on a date, but if I didn't get a kiss she would not get a second one. As always use some judgement on a case by case basis, doesn't always have to be a hard rule.

Would that be that you tried to kiss her and she didn't want it? Or that you never got close enough to her on the whole date to even try kiss her?

Post: #74

To add to this "different girls are different" reasoning....
I once took home a girl and I did not make a move on her apart from hugging her in the street as a greeting as we we first met (was an online date). I gave her the spare room. 1 hour later she had crept into my bed. I still didn't fuck her, but we went for it in the morning.

Post: #75

A kiss doesn't mean shit. The majority of the women I kissed closed on a public first date went nowhere. Some women are down to make out with a cute guy as a cheap way to keep a guy's attention without giving up too much of her sexual power, but not much else. Also I'm not really into PDA beyond some light touching and some women are also like that as well.