Post: #4601

This video is actually interesting. Let's just be clear that day game in Poland is pretty ineffective since you are not going anywhere with most of the numbers that you collect, unless you are able to get an instant date. I met once a British guy that spam approached in Krakow more than 400 girls and got laid with only one.
The first girl in the video is Ukrainian and you can understand it from the the accent when she speaks Polish. The guy is on spot with the way he is running game, asking boring questions and keeping the vibe low. As you can see, speaking in Polish doesn't give him any added advantage. Not likely to go anywhere with those numbers btw, maybe just with the Ukrainian he might have some chance. The only one giving some sign of interest is the last one who is actually moving to London.
But this day game style won't work in West.

Post: #4602

(01-16-2019 10:25 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  I've only been here a couple of weeks. Had a bad flu for a week, then threw my back out while doing doing some mild exercises. Being confined to my bed I ended up playing around with Tinder and Badoo. I did this 2.5 years ago and I got a lot of matches with 6 and 7s - ones I consider attractive enough to bang. I felt like the darker skinned foreigner thing was true. Now I struggle to match with 5's. I'm 35, average face, hapa, 176cm. When I managed to get our in Warsaw I feel the negative emotions towards me for being a foreigner. They love my business once I open my wallet but I get the feeling that foreigner = low value here. I was in Ukraine last month and the standard of living in Poland seems a lot higher. I was given the impression that the Polish were dirt poor but it didn't seem like that. My impression is that women seem to have higher standards now. Maybe I'm wrong about this but my looks haven't changed much so my only explanation is that, at least online, women are catching up with the anglosphere in terms of standards. My back is still recovering, probably another week or 2.

This kind of matches my experience. At least in 2016 we could get matches and dates with 6s and 7s (which I was happy enough with, especially in retrospect). The good old days! These days even with what I believe to be significantly better photos, no joy - the occasional 5 maybe. I think part of it is the tinder algorithms but still, there is no denying things have gotten harder. Speaking so-so Polish hasn't helped at all.

Anyway, I'm not gonna spend too much time complaining about what I can't change so I am going to do 1 approach every day and focus as much as I can on quality of interaction and see if there is any positive outcome. My expectations in Warsaw are very low.

Post: #4603

Poland is only good now for good looking western younger guys with some game. Anybody over 30 now is only wasting his time over there. Roosh hit the place at the perfect time. Sad because with Brazil, it probably had the best women overall 10 years ago, and now that is finished.

Post: #4604

(01-17-2019 03:09 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  This video is actually interesting. Let's just be clear that day game in Poland is pretty ineffective since you are not going anywhere with most of the numbers that you collect, unless you are able to get an instant date. I met once a British guy that spam approached in Krakow more than 400 girls and got laid with only one.
The first girl in the video is Ukrainian and you can understand it from the the accent when she speaks Polish. The guy is on spot with the way he is running game, asking boring questions and keeping the vibe low. As you can see, speaking in Polish doesn't give him any added advantage. Not likely to go anywhere with those numbers btw, maybe just with the Ukrainian he might have some chance. The only one giving some sign of interest is the last one who is actually moving to London.
But this day game style won't work in West.

This is why i really don't like these high-volume PUAs (typically from western / arab guys). Ruin all women across the world. And then they have the gall to look down and preach to you "Bro you just need to approach more"

Post: #4605

(01-16-2019 07:41 AM)firat113 Wrote:  Which city did you visit? I have to disagree with the Danish girls being in the same range as polish girls. The 5 days i stayed in Poland i experienced girls to be some of the most beautiful girls i've ever seen. Im stunned by your statement of not seeing many 8s and 9s on the street because that's literally all i saw in Poland. The standard is so high.

I am currently in Copenhagen and you see 2-3 absolute stunners a day, but in Poland, i felt like i saw one every 30 minutes. Danish girls are mostly 6's and 7's in my opinion, but that might be because i've spent years here and desensitized to their looks. The exotic factor of Poland could also have something to do with this.

Krakow, Wroclaw, Warsaw, Torun. Our tastes are probably different. But it's been said many times that Poland is the land of 6s and 7s, and has a butterface problem. I think Danish girls have better faces. Polish girls are rarely beautiful, but rarely ugly.

(01-16-2019 06:15 PM)Mikestar Wrote:  

(01-16-2019 05:13 PM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  A couple of comments on how to face the multiple obstacles and challenges. For an experienced player, Poland might be extremely backbreaking since you have to forget everything that you learned from the previous experience with girls from all around the world. It's one of the few countries where your real value and game level don't match the results.
Being afraid/envious of your success as a man/good lifestyle (issue raised by Sleek2b)
You have to tone down when it comes to your work, it's better being vague. Even in terms of looks, it's better dressing with a T-Shirt and looking like a cheap foreigner, rather than dressing up. Regarding the nationality, it looks like it's better being from a shithole than from a wealthy and western Country. When it comes to talking about travelling, usually girls will be impressed negatively by the fact that you can enjoy 15/17 holidays abroad for year. This lifestyle is not compatible with the boring and dull life (all work/study) that most of them are doing. And contrarily to the Russian and Ukrainian girls, they don't want to be part of it because they prefer the local comfort zone.
Boring personalities
This is absolutely intricate, since most of the conversations during the dates or night approaches are boring interviews. They often don't give you anything to work with. You make a joke and they don't understand. You flirt and they don't respond. Chats are like a chamomile tea. It's hard if you are naturally extrovert, if you have high energy and you learned game in very competitive countries.
You can try with some questions like: how do you like your job? are you thinking to marry? do you have siblings? do you like animals?
If you are an interesting person, are you into such kind of conversation? You can try to be the boring man many are looking for. Is it worth?

Giacomo knows what he is talking about, this is coming from a Polish guy

In my very limited experience this also seems true. But I don't think it's envy. Poles are generally simple people, with simple aims. They genuinely don't want a mysterious, well-travelled man. I made friends with some poles and went out with them and there were lots of happy well-matched couples where the guys just seemed friendly, dependable and able to tell jokes. The girls seemed very satisfied with that. They don't seem to have the collective ADHD of western girls (yet).

In terms of dress sense, many Poles just have bad taste by western standards, so they probably consider westerners poorly dressed by their own standards.

I found western game hit and miss, when it worked it worked very well, but it only worked in a minority of cases. So it would probably be much safer to use the boring game you described.

(01-17-2019 03:09 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  The first girl in the video is Ukrainian and you can understand it from the the accent when she speaks Polish.

I immediately thought where the hell were these Polish girls hiding when I was there. The smaller pointed nose, face shape and eye area are not Polish at all. Hair that long is also rare.

Post: #4606

Unrelated but I came back to my Polish hometown after 1 year recently and noticed a big thing in even small towns but in the whole of Poland. Poland is experiencing an economic boom. The Poland I grew up in always reminded me of poverty but now it’s a different story. I went to a club in a 3rd tier town and saw all the girls wearing Calvin Klein, Moncler, Gucci. I thought wtf, even 3 years ago this wasn’t the case.

Poland has become materialistic as hell right now and the guys have started to dress better too, they are even more aggressive in the clubs. In fact, 8 years ago Poland never had thirsty dudes, but I was with my girl in the club (she was foreign) and Polish dudes tried to hit on her like thirsty hawks (although nothing like in U.K).

This thread has been filled with only negative observations for the last 5 years yet people still go there for girls, I don’t get it. I’m Polish but grew up in the West and even though I can game well in Poland (natives always have the advantage) I choose not to, cos 90% of these problems mentioned with Polish women can be avoided by saving a bit more money and taking a flight across the ocean to Mexico, Colombia etc.

Post: #4607

Regarding to the video.The first girl is Ukrainian(accent).And look at the last one she looks and she behaves like a typical west girl.

Post: #4608

(01-17-2019 12:23 AM)SaintLaurentJake Wrote:  


Would you guys say these are average Polish girls ? Man are they hot. These girls could pass as 8s easily in the US now sadly.

Pay attention to the girls walking around them, those girls are average, these look to be above average no matter what country you're in. I don't think this in-field is legit, then again, no in-field is truly legit.

Post: #4609

I've been hitting Poland for a few years now. Jaunts of 10 days or so. I've been visiting Warsaw and Krakow. I'm a 40 year old guy but have my age down on Tinder as 33 which I could pass for and nobody questions it. My experience is that 1-2 years ago it was pretty decent. I could get numbers on Tinder without even trying. If you're using Tinder or any dating app over the past few years you'll definitely notice a degradation. It's now more of a grind. It's definitely a grind for me now, but my standards have increased and I'm only going after girls who are at least a 6 and no older than 30.

The good news, I've banged 6s and 7s 15 years younger than me over the past year or two. When the algorithm behaves itself I match with decent looking chicks by the shit-load (lots of 6 and 7s with a few sprinklings of 8s). I have more matches than I know what to do with. My pictures are good (I'm a pro-photographer) and I'm not a bad looking guy. But...

What has changed? 70% of the conversations go nowhere and getting them out is tougher than it's ever been. You get lucky occasionally with a chick who is DTF (very, very rarely) but more often than not it's "dating" for these girls.

What's frustrating is the distance. When you return to your home country the girls who were so invested in you (but you never closed due to time issues) just completely fall off the radar, and when you revisit you have to start the grind again with a batch of new girls. Girls who you had three or four dates with, who gave you LMR, just fail to keep in touch with you, and all that work was for nothing.

It's not all bad. I've a 2nd date tomorrow with a hot 26 year old who is very invested and things are going well. But the fear is I don't close her on this trip and I end up just losing her.

Game here now requires an enormous amount of patience, longer jaunts, and not letting the sheer tomfoolery of some of these women ruin your vibe. Like I said, I continue to bang women here, it just requires much more work than it used to even a year ago.

Post: #4610

As they say 1 picture is worth more than 1000 words, so i post a good video which will clarify how younger crowd in 20s - 30s looks in Poland. It's from 2nd tier city:





It pretty much confirms oak post. Girls are OK, mixed bag actually mostly 6-7, definitely better than most west but nothing really spectacular. You can find prettier girls even in UK but the advantage of Poland is that there are simply more girls because of demography. Guys are typical european average, not bad at all actually. I think in looks department a bit better than men in UK overall. So be prepare for quite tough competition.
As for decline - yes it changes rapidly in terms of demography and immigration from Africa and Middle East/Asia. Yes Poland accepts refugees and economics migrants.

Post: #4611

African refugee in Poland tests positive for AIDS.
Proceeds to sleep with as many Polish women as possible (over 300).
Tells them wearing protection would be racist.
Infects at least 40, probably more.

Covered for by every left wing institution and (((media arm))) from the time the first whistle was blown.

The next phase of resistance cannot come fast enough. We are currently weighing future casualties against zero when in reality Westerners are currently being killed or given death sentences all day, every day.

Post: #4612

(01-19-2019 06:41 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Proceeds to sleep with as many Polish women as possible (over 300).
Tells them wearing protection would be racist.

Wow, just wow. Maybe I'll give Poland a miss.

Post: #4613

(01-18-2019 08:57 PM)griffinmill Wrote:  I've been hitting Poland for a few years now. Jaunts of 10 days or so. I've been visiting Warsaw and Krakow. I'm a 40 year old guy but have my age down on Tinder as 33 which I could pass for and nobody questions it. My experience is that 1-2 years ago it was pretty decent. I could get numbers on Tinder without even trying. If you're using Tinder or any dating app over the past few years you'll definitely notice a degradation. It's now more of a grind. It's definitely a grind for me now, but my standards have increased and I'm only going after girls who are at least a 6 and no older than 30.

The good news, I've banged 6s and 7s 15 years younger than me over the past year or two. When the algorithm behaves itself I match with decent looking chicks by the shit-load (lots of 6 and 7s with a few sprinklings of 8s). I have more matches than I know what to do with. My pictures are good (I'm a pro-photographer) and I'm not a bad looking guy. But...

What has changed? 70% of the conversations go nowhere and getting them out is tougher than it's ever been. You get lucky occasionally with a chick who is DTF (very, very rarely) but more often than not it's "dating" for these girls.

What's frustrating is the distance. When you return to your home country the girls who were so invested in you (but you never closed due to time issues) just completely fall off the radar, and when you revisit you have to start the grind again with a batch of new girls. Girls who you had three or four dates with, who gave you LMR, just fail to keep in touch with you, and all that work was for nothing.

It's not all bad. I've a 2nd date tomorrow with a hot 26 year old who is very invested and things are going well. But the fear is I don't close her on this trip and I end up just losing her.

Game here now requires an enormous amount of patience, longer jaunts, and not letting the sheer tomfoolery of some of these women ruin your vibe. Like I said, I continue to bang women here, it just requires much more work than it used to even a year ago.

Is it still easier than girls in the US? Say in a city like Chicago or the like?

Post: #4614

(01-19-2019 12:45 PM)charmingpenguin Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 08:57 PM)griffinmill Wrote:  I've been hitting Poland for a few years now. Jaunts of 10 days or so. I've been visiting Warsaw and Krakow. I'm a 40 year old guy but have my age down on Tinder as 33 which I could pass for and nobody questions it. My experience is that 1-2 years ago it was pretty decent. I could get numbers on Tinder without even trying. If you're using Tinder or any dating app over the past few years you'll definitely notice a degradation. It's now more of a grind. It's definitely a grind for me now, but my standards have increased and I'm only going after girls who are at least a 6 and no older than 30.

The good news, I've banged 6s and 7s 15 years younger than me over the past year or two. When the algorithm behaves itself I match with decent looking chicks by the shit-load (lots of 6 and 7s with a few sprinklings of 8s). I have more matches than I know what to do with. My pictures are good (I'm a pro-photographer) and I'm not a bad looking guy. But...

What has changed? 70% of the conversations go nowhere and getting them out is tougher than it's ever been. You get lucky occasionally with a chick who is DTF (very, very rarely) but more often than not it's "dating" for these girls.

What's frustrating is the distance. When you return to your home country the girls who were so invested in you (but you never closed due to time issues) just completely fall off the radar, and when you revisit you have to start the grind again with a batch of new girls. Girls who you had three or four dates with, who gave you LMR, just fail to keep in touch with you, and all that work was for nothing.

It's not all bad. I've a 2nd date tomorrow with a hot 26 year old who is very invested and things are going well. But the fear is I don't close her on this trip and I end up just losing her.

Game here now requires an enormous amount of patience, longer jaunts, and not letting the sheer tomfoolery of some of these women ruin your vibe. Like I said, I continue to bang women here, it just requires much more work than it used to even a year ago.

Is it still easier than girls in the US? Say in a city like Chicago or the like?

I've never gamed in the U.S. only the UK. I'd imagine it's pretty much the same everywhere but don't quote me on that.

Post: #4615

I lived in Krakow a bit some 7 years ago, visited 5 years ago, and will be visiting again in a couple of weeks. I'm excited to see how it's changed. Once it became a part of the EU & Schengen zone things certainly started to change rapidly. It was fun while I was living there but it certainly became boring after a couple of months.

So, sort of a related question. Anyone spent time in both Kiev & Warsaw recently? I'm debating on where to rent an apartment and post up for a month or two in the fall. I was just in Kiev for a week and got a ton of matches, tons to do, and I was surprisingly into it. The girls could be a bit strange but they were down to meet up. Lots of "I'm looking for a long term relationship" and if you tried to go for the ONS you'd probably never see them again.

I "remember" Warsaw being a bit different. And, as you perhaps tell, I prefer capital cities. The last time I was in Warsaw was 5 years ago but the craft beer scene was there, girls were all nice & friendly, and it wasn't so conservative. I feel like in Warsaw especially the youth rave about Berlin and look to it for some artistic influence.

So my question is - Warsaw or Kiev for fall/summer?

Post: #4616

Warsaw from June to August used to be amazing 5-6 years ago when thousands of young people would gather by the river and spend all night drinking outside. Unfortunately good things don't last long and the police is trying to put a stop to such practices. Let's just say that the nightlife has seen a massive decline.

I would go to Kiev and take some Russian classes. It's more useful than Polish and the city itself is cheaper. Weather is probably better as well, in Warsaw it rains a lot and wearing a jacket at night is quite common in summer.

Post: #4617

(01-18-2019 08:57 PM)griffinmill Wrote:  ... and when you revisit you have to start the grind again with a batch of new girls. Girls who you had three or four dates with, who gave you LMR, just fail to keep in touch with you, and all that work was for nothing.

Don't know which city you are in, but any university town will have many foreigners, especially students. Just a few days ago, going through the city centre, I was amazed how often I heard various languages and the number of people who didn't look Polish astonished me. Being a foreigner has definitely lost its shiny status from 5-10 years ago. It still is a very homogenous country by, say, UK standards but not insulated anymore.

Post: #4618

(01-21-2019 05:37 PM)ksbms Wrote:  

(01-18-2019 08:57 PM)griffinmill Wrote:  ... and when you revisit you have to start the grind again with a batch of new girls. Girls who you had three or four dates with, who gave you LMR, just fail to keep in touch with you, and all that work was for nothing.

Don't know which city you are in, but any university town will have many foreigners, especially students. Just a few days ago, going through the city centre, I was amazed how often I heard various languages and the number of people who didn't look Polish astonished me. Being a foreigner has definitely lost its shiny status from 5-10 years ago. It still is a very homogenous country by, say, UK standards but not insulated anymore.

This was my experience too during my last Polonia trip, this past summer. It seems that banging a/many foreigner/foreigners is no longer something only more adventurous Polkas do to check off the "liberated independent free spirit" box on their YOLO Checklist, but a phase almost every future Babcia of middling or better appearance who makes it out of her village by the age of 22 goes through before settling down at 27 with a Polish dude who is more her speed. Part of me is unsurprised Polish men are growing more and more hostile to foreigners, even foreigners from more economically fertile lands like the UK and the US, where millions of Poles themselves go for better opportunities. If we had this problem in my country, I'd be fucking pissed too. But no one goes to the US for women, because American women are fat.

Post: #4619

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mgaKzC9wHQE&t=464s
Polish girls-Judge for yourself.

Post: #4620

Childhood obesity rates growing in Poland...

Quote:One in four children in Poland are overweight or obese, with the rate growing exponentially in recent years, the Institute of Food and Nutrition has said.

According to the institute, one in five kids were faced with the problem in 2016.

Professor Anna Fijałkowska, from the Mother and Child Institute in Warsaw, said that excessive weight gain can be observed among many children in the first years of their life. She said that the share of overweight kids grows from 10 percent among six-month-old babies to 25 percent among three-year-olds.

She added that Poles “regrettably top Europe’s obesity rankings among eight-year-olds, who comprise a third of all kids in Poland.”

The chief of Warsaw’s Food and Nutrition Institute, Professor Mirosław Jarosz, said that Poland is, however, no different from other countries across the globe, adding that overweight and obesity rates have been growing worldwide since the 1970s.

The World Health Organisation reported in 2017 that the number of kids in the world facing weight issues has skyrocketed over the past 40 years, growing elevenfold from 11 to 120 million.

Jarosz added that overweight and obese children and teenagers will account for 30 percent of the world’s underage population by 2025. Adults with excessive weight will comprise 75 percent of the world’s mature population.

Overweight and obese Poles aged between 35 and 39 already account for more than half of their demographic.

http://www.thenews.pl/1/11/Artykul/40354...and-report

Post: #4621

Indeed, pre-pubescent girls of today, will become doughnut shaped young women, akin to American and British. The end is near. The incomes went up a bit, processed food in Ldil and Biedronka is cheap (whereas fruit and organic is not), fast-food joints are mushrooming up. Polish state doesn't have spades of money to campaigning and educate their citizens to understand health, risks and healthy food consumption. Give it 10-15 years, it will be truly over. The country will be awash with fatties.

Post: #4622

(01-27-2019 11:16 AM)ksbms Wrote:  Give it 10-15 years, it will be truly over. The country will be awash with fatties.

5 years tops

Post: #4623

In the night, it's already getting increasingly difficult to find thin chicks in bars and clubs.
Pre cooked meals or frozen food are getting common in the supermarkets like in the UK. And nowadays if you ask some young girls if they cook their own food, many of them will say "I am not able to cook".

You have to be careful if you live long term in Poland because the quality of food you eat outside might compromise your fitness too. The suggestion to eat healthy in Poland is to avoid restaurants and try to find some mediterrean ingredients in the shops and cook your own food.

Post: #4624

(01-27-2019 11:38 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

(01-27-2019 11:16 AM)ksbms Wrote:  Give it 10-15 years, it will be truly over. The country will be awash with fatties.

5 years tops

Even if so, I don't think that the prospects are so dire, and the cited article by you may be too coarse-grained.

First, from what I've read at Eurostat, not all is equal. First, a disclaimer - the latest aggregate data is from 2014 and new evaluation should come out in 2019.

First, it looks like more men than women are gaining weight. In other words, even though the percentage of thin women keeps going down, the male competition, due to weight gain, is falling even faster. Second, I believe that women's gaining weight is inversely correlated with attractiveness. That is to say, truly cute to attractive girls have much incentive to stay thin (from personal to psychosocial to professional rewards).

And, third, what I believe is rarely, if ever discussed, is the fact that overweight and obesity are negatively correlated with tertiary education (as per the diagram below). According to the data, 2/3 of Polish females with a degree are thin (as of 2014). Interestingly, 4/5 of Italian female with a degree are thin, best result in EU and somewhat counter-intuitive to what most of us would be thinking on this forum, nearly half of Latvian women with tertiary education are overweight or obese!

Hence, the tentative conclusion is that if you keep your appearance and body at its best, stay intellectually and gamewise sharp, live in a major city with a number of universities and frequent places where educated women tend to flock, the prognostics, however alarmist in media, do not reflect a daily doom and gloom. Having said that, the general trend, for both West and East EU populations, is that they are getting bigger and fatter. It is not exactly secret knowledge that on the same street there can be two bars, one full of men, the other full of women. Thus, a clever gamesman should find the right spots, be it in Poland or other, admittedly, Eastern European countries. At the same time, weight gains are only part of the problem and there are many others which made a man's romantic life so much harder. However, the foregoing conclusion is, taking the right actions, a man can get above the average, statistically speaking, results, especially that less and less men will be in a position to compete for any kind of a female.

Proportion of women who were overweight, by educational level, 2014:

Post: #4625

(01-27-2019 10:23 AM)Roosh Wrote:  Childhood obesity rates growing in Poland...

Quote:One in four children in Poland are overweight or obese, with the rate growing exponentially in recent years, the Institute of Food and Nutrition has said.

According to the institute, one in five kids were faced with the problem in 2016.

Professor Anna Fijałkowska, from the Mother and Child Institute in Warsaw, said that excessive weight gain can be observed among many children in the first years of their life. She said that the share of overweight kids grows from 10 percent among six-month-old babies to 25 percent among three-year-olds.

She added that Poles “regrettably top Europe’s obesity rankings among eight-year-olds, who comprise a third of all kids in Poland.”

The chief of Warsaw’s Food and Nutrition Institute, Professor Mirosław Jarosz, said that Poland is, however, no different from other countries across the globe, adding that overweight and obesity rates have been growing worldwide since the 1970s.

The World Health Organisation reported in 2017 that the number of kids in the world facing weight issues has skyrocketed over the past 40 years, growing elevenfold from 11 to 120 million.

Jarosz added that overweight and obese children and teenagers will account for 30 percent of the world’s underage population by 2025. Adults with excessive weight will comprise 75 percent of the world’s mature population.

Overweight and obese Poles aged between 35 and 39 already account for more than half of their demographic.

http://www.thenews.pl/1/11/Artykul/40354...and-report

Shit, this isn't good news.

I was hoping a half-Filipino/half-White hapa guy like me could do great in Wroclaw or some other city. Alot of members on this forum are telling me it's becoming harder and harder to get a ONS from Polish women. Of course, there's also the fact they're trying to 'Westernize' themselves and consequently, accept feminist thinking and/or become fatties.