Post: #26

Nice, Lincoln is alot of fun on game day, O street is a fun place to check out. I go there once every few months and stay at a buddies place. I like the women in Nebraska, just wish it had multiple times the population.

Post: #27

Vegas.

Post: #28

I'm not in my 30s yet, or even close for that matter but let me plug Tampa really quick.

Pros:

-Cost of living is reasonable (I pay less than 2k a month for a place right on the beach with a huge deck and a water view) and there's no state income tax. Get your income up though. You'll be able to live like a king here once you're close to the 6 figure mark.

-Lots of beautiful young women. You've got multiple large schools (UCF, UT, Eckerd) that have lots of hot, DTF chicks available year round. Keep some weed/blow/booze at your place and you'll be swimming in pussy. This isn't including the deluge of foreign poontang that visits here during the winter. I love the German/Dutch blondes in particular.

-Great weather. I went swimming on New Years Day, and boy did it feel good.

-Good job opportunities. My income has increased by over 60% since I've moved here. A lot of opportunities to network with other young professionals if that's your thing.

-Lots of variety. The cultural scene here is pretty sweet, which makes up for the lackluster nightlife (which doesn't bother me, because I haven't been doing much of that lately).

-People are generally extremely friendly overall, and there's a lot of them! You also have St.Pete nearby, which is also wonderful.

-Cheap and easy sports scene. I personally hate the Bucs, but the Lightning games are a great time. Also there's no shortage of golf to play here year round.

Cons:

-Lots of transient people. This isn't a big deal for me, because I travel a lot for work, and I've got a good core group.

-There are some shithole areas where you'll want to be careful. For example, you wouldn't want to wander certain areas of Ybor City at night.

-Traffic can be bad depending on what your work commute is like.

-Shallow women. Luckily I'm only in the hunt for quick side pieces because I just got into an LTR. If you just want dumb hotties to bang, you'll do just fine.

-With your salary it will be hard to attract some of the top-tier talent around here. Girls here seem abnormally superficial. Wealth game alone can land you some 8s and 9s, and I've seen it done masterfully. I'm not on that level yet, but my jetskiis and beach setup have definitely landed me at least a half dozen bangs since I've been here.

I would strongly recommend Tampa overall. This is a great place to live, and I will keep my home base here for the foreseeable future. Feel free to PM me with any questions.

Post: #29

(01-04-2019 05:04 PM)AWright Wrote:  I like the women in Nebraska, just wish it had multiple times the population.

Yes, one of many grievances I have with this state is the lack of available single women. The ratios are awful !!! Easily 10 guys to 1 girl at any given time or venue.

If you're a student, finding single women is a breeze; if you're a single young professional, (non-student) dating is non-existent and depressing (That might be different for you since you grew up in NE).

Scottsdale / Phoenix AZ was great ! That city has the kindest, friendliest people out of all the cities I've lived in. Ratios were not that great but the women (married/single) still maintained above average kindness and were pleasant to talk to.

NYC is awesome. Very easy to hook up with extremely attractive women. Ratio's are OK, it really depends on the night (or day) you go "hunting."

My own personal template for rating cities:

- Women (how easy is it for me to build a collection of plates, Do a majority of women in the region find me attractive, M/F Ratio, Is there a large population of attractive women.)

- People (Are they friendly ?, kind ?, Flaky ?, Do they have small town attitudes, Educated ?, How easy is it to form solid friendships)

- Trees and natural beauty (Ugly cities are depressing after awhile)

- City size (How long do I have to spend in my car to get places, I prefer Small to Midsize cities)

- Amenities (Do they have high end shopping malls, good tailors, Costco, Trader Joes, nice gyms, cool park systems)

- Weather (I prefer warmer climates)

Post: #30

(01-04-2019 05:35 PM)Investment Bro Wrote:  I'm not in my 30s yet, or even close for that matter but let me plug Tampa really quick.

Thanks for the plug, good review and will put it on the map. I'm starting to passively evaluate new cities for me. If I don't pull a girl that I want long term in NYC, I'll try another city in a few years. Living "the life" in NYC racks up a lot of bills and it's just not a long term financial option for me if I want to build for a family future. No state/city income tax can mean a completely different financial future for me at my current role, but it's possible to sacrifice career advancement.

I was thinking of spending $2-3k monthly on a high end place (not possible in NYC without roommates) a small boat (hard in NYC because you need a summer place + storage for it as well), and a car that won't cost me a fortune in insurance or parking. Not looking to spend hundreds of dollars per night on nightlife either, I almost never have a night over $100 even in NYC.

Miami is obviously incredible but I'm unsure about the job opportunities in my field. A lot of Spanish is spoken and it could make me not as competitive. You can keep a boat and car pretty easily, use the boat all year round. It's the most expensive in rent and nightlife but still in my budget, I've also been down there a few times so I know the area. A lot of hot Latin girls, they age well and lots of immigrant talent. Probably underrated for conservative women and talent because of all the immigrants from Cuba, Colombia, Venezuela, etc. Looks are important here and people stay in shape.

Dallas seems fun, cheap, but no water besides a few small lakes. Seems like a city you can ball out in for less money, lots of high end options that don't cost as much as a first tier city. I heard the women are hot and appearance oriented, good church community, great place to settle long term in the suburbs. I'd be worried about not being a part of the "Texas crowd" which s probably tight knit. I also have no interest in football, but I guess I could start watching for conversation.

Tampa is on the map after your plug.

Post: #31

No offense to anyone but it seems like on 75% of threads people give answers that specifically are not what the original post asked for. He said he didn't want to stay in a major city in places like CA or Chi because he only makes 40k a year and he gave some examples of what he was looking for. But still there were at least 5 comments of people telling him to move to Chicago/NYC/Miami when he specifically said that wasn't an option for him

Post: #32

Chicago all day long.

As Bourdain said, it’s one of the two true American metropolis. The other one is insanely expensive/high tax and not worth it unless money is no object.

And in your 30s, you really want to be in a proper metropolis.

Post: #33

Re: Chicago. You said you do not want roommates. On a low budget, I would recommend looking at Logan Square and Uptown for decent logistics and a reasonable possibility of getting a studio for <$1kpm.

Post: #34

We convinced him that his initial parameters may have been a bit misguided. He is considering Chicago now because his preconceived notions about living costs may have been as bad as he thought. Based on what he is looking for, its probably the best option still

Post: #35

I might be one of the few, or only, person here to have lived in both Chicago and Phoenix/Scottsdale, so let me compare both for you.

Here's my overall recommendation: Choose Chicago, for the following reasons:

1) Chicago is bigger, and has way more girls and social opportunities. Ever year, thousands of new good looking women graduating from the Big 10 move into this city. In Phoenix, you basically have people from just ASU and U of Ariz moving in. Chicago was the easiest place in the world for me to make friends, Arizona is definitely the hardest.
2) Chicago has more diversified, established industries and on the whole, much more seasoned professional people to network with. Its not even comparable, whereas Arizona is coming up strong in a few areas but is still very niche (hospitality, tourism, real estate, some technology)

Now here's the comparison:

Chicago Positives:

1) Way more bars and diversified nightlife (River North, Lincoln Park and Lakeview are strong in the white girl arena. Other places are cool too like Wicker Park/Bucktown, Gold Coast, the loop)
2) More avenues for game. Here, you can do nightgame and very solid day game if that's your thing. Michigan avenue is a great place to kick straight up street game in large amounts. There's also some good happy hour spots for mid week game. Social circle game is also a possibility here due to the college networks that continue here after graduation.
3) A large amount of smart, professional people who you can network with and grow your career with. Just walk around the loop and feel the money circulating.
4) Decently priced. Not nearly as cheap as Phoenix but very competitive compared to other big cities. Lots of new buildings to live in along with older, more traditional neighborhoods.
5) Food - food is incredible here.
6) Diversity - There are many good looking white women, especially in the northern part of the city, but there are avenues if you want diversity as well.
7) Better relationship possibilities - I met more people in stable relationships while I was here than anywhere else I've lived. That bodes well for the long term.
8) Good public transport - This will save you hundreds compared to having a car and paying for insurance and parking. The difference in rent between Chicago and Arizona is cancelled out by the car factor.

Chicago Negatives:

1) Weather - This goes without saying. Its very cold from November to March. But people still go out and you got uber.
2) No outdoors activities - Chicago is extremely flat and not surrounded by amazing landscapes for hiking or hunting. The city itself has many incredible places to walk but no amazing natural landscape.
3) Crime - The southside has issues. Stay up north or along the lake.

Now onto Arizona

Positives:

1) Cost of Living - For your expected salary, you could get a decent apartment here for $1000-$1400/month in the hotter spots of town such as old town Scottsdale or downtown phoenix. You'll pay at least several hundred more a month in Chicago.
2) Weather - Amazing warm weather from October through May.
3) Good looking women - The women here are physically very attractive. Definitely some of the best looking women I've seen. However, there are some downsides to gaming here that I'll explain in the negatives list.
4) Outdoor activities - So many incredible places to hike, hunt, fish or the like. Also all very easily accessible by car in 30 minutes to 2 hours.

Negatives

1) Restricted gaming opportunities - To me, there is only 1 viable way to game here and that's night game. Old town and downtown have a set of solid venues that are packed with respectable talent every Friday and Saturday. However, there is little to nothing going on Sunday through Thursday at night. You'll literally need to wait till the end of the week to game . Also, there are no good places to day game here. Sorry, but going to malls is just mostly families or teenage girls. There are no crowded streets for street game. You can try ASU but even that campus is basically isolated blocks of buildings without consistent foot traffic.

Also, everything is incredibly spread apart here. You need to have strong logistics for anything to happen.

2) Hard to make friends - I find this Phoenix/Scottsdale difficult to make friends. People are very friendly but not seemingly interested in friendships, if that makes sense. Most people are very laid back here and not very outgoing, especially compared to a place like Chicago where people are constantly trying to do stuff socially. The ASU networks are hard to break into for the most part.

3) Lack of relationships - I don't see people here in solid relationships. It just seems like a bunch of people causally playing the field forever. That's fine for awhile but it depends on your goals.

4) Lack of professional networks - I find the number of smart, rising professionals here to be pretty low. its growing but nothing like Chicago. The level of decorum here in this area can never match places like Chicago, NYC, DC and the like.

Hope that helps. I like both places and I've benefited immensely from being in both . I lived in Chicago in my 20s and Phoenix in my 30s and it would have been better to do that the other way around.

Post: #36

(01-05-2019 03:35 PM)DonovanVC Wrote:  I might be one of the few, or only, person here to have lived in both Chicago and Phoenix/Scottsdale, so let me compare both for you.

Here's my overall recommendation: Choose Chicago, for the following reasons:

1) Chicago is bigger, and has way more girls and social opportunities. Ever year, thousands of new good looking women graduating from the Big 10 move into this city. In Phoenix, you basically have people from just ASU and U of Ariz moving in. Chicago was the easiest place in the world for me to make friends, Arizona is definitely the hardest.
2) Chicago has more diversified, established industries and on the whole, much more seasoned professional people to network with. Its not even comparable, whereas Arizona is coming up strong in a few areas but is still very niche (hospitality, tourism, real estate, some technology)

Now here's the comparison:

Chicago Positives:

1) Way more bars and diversified nightlife (River North, Lincoln Park and Lakeview are strong in the white girl arena. Other places are cool too like Wicker Park/Bucktown, Gold Coast, the loop)
2) More avenues for game. Here, you can do nightgame and very solid day game if that's your thing. Michigan avenue is a great place to kick straight up street game in large amounts. There's also some good happy hour spots for mid week game. Social circle game is also a possibility here due to the college networks that continue here after graduation.
3) A large amount of smart, professional people who you can network with and grow your career with. Just walk around the loop and feel the money circulating.
4) Decently priced. Not nearly as cheap as Phoenix but very competitive compared to other big cities. Lots of new buildings to live in along with older, more traditional neighborhoods.
5) Food - food is incredible here.
6) Diversity - There are many good looking white women, especially in the northern part of the city, but there are avenues if you want diversity as well.
7) Better relationship possibilities - I met more people in stable relationships while I was here than anywhere else I've lived. That bodes well for the long term.
8) Good public transport - This will save you hundreds compared to having a car and paying for insurance and parking. The difference in rent between Chicago and Arizona is cancelled out by the car factor.

Chicago Negatives:

1) Weather - This goes without saying. Its very cold from November to March. But people still go out and you got uber.
2) No outdoors activities - Chicago is extremely flat and not surrounded by amazing landscapes for hiking or hunting. The city itself has many incredible places to walk but no amazing natural landscape.
3) Crime - The southside has issues. Stay up north or along the lake.

Now onto Arizona

Positives:

1) Cost of Living - For your expected salary, you could get a decent apartment here for $1000-$1400/month in the hotter spots of town such as old town Scottsdale or downtown phoenix. You'll pay at least several hundred more a month in Chicago.
2) Weather - Amazing warm weather from October through May.
3) Good looking women - The women here are physically very attractive. Definitely some of the best looking women I've seen. However, there are some downsides to gaming here that I'll explain in the negatives list.
4) Outdoor activities - So many incredible places to hike, hunt, fish or the like. Also all very easily accessible by car in 30 minutes to 2 hours.

Negatives

1) Restricted gaming opportunities - To me, there is only 1 viable way to game here and that's night game. Old town and downtown have a set of solid venues that are packed with respectable talent every Friday and Saturday. However, there is little to nothing going on Sunday through Thursday at night. You'll literally need to wait till the end of the week to game . Also, there are no good places to day game here. Sorry, but going to malls is just mostly families or teenage girls. There are no crowded streets for street game. You can try ASU but even that campus is basically isolated blocks of buildings without consistent foot traffic.

Also, everything is incredibly spread apart here. You need to have strong logistics for anything to happen.

2) Hard to make friends - I find this Phoenix/Scottsdale difficult to make friends. People are very friendly but not seemingly interested in friendships, if that makes sense. Most people are very laid back here and not very outgoing, especially compared to a place like Chicago where people are constantly trying to do stuff socially. The ASU networks are hard to break into for the most part.

3) Lack of relationships - I don't see people here in solid relationships. It just seems like a bunch of people causally playing the field forever. That's fine for awhile but it depends on your goals.

4) Lack of professional networks - I find the number of smart, rising professionals here to be pretty low. its growing but nothing like Chicago. The level of decorum here in this area can never match places like Chicago, NYC, DC and the like.

Hope that helps. I like both places and I've benefited immensely from being in both . I lived in Chicago in my 20s and Phoenix in my 30s and it would have been better to do that the other way around.

Good breakdown of the two cities, accurate in my experience, except for one point: The daygame opportunities are much higher in Arizona. Don't forget that Chicago is freezing cold 6 months out of the year. Arizona you basically have all year. Lots of pool parties, concerts, during the day all year round, plus Vegas is a 4 hour drive away. I know people in Arizona and they are always drinking during the day in bars, at pools, house festivals. It might not be a "stop them on the street and game," but the weather pretty much allows all day all year outdoor partying, albeit on the weekends.

One thing OP has to take into account is the male competition. How tall/built/well dressed is OP? Chicago is more of a casually dressed city. Scottsdale people are dressed to the nines, lots of tatted up roid heads who dress like they have money. Scottsdale is tougher competition with looks/physique/dress

At the same time Chicago has a large professional layer of people making over 150k. Lots of big banks, law offices, tech, sales opportunities. The professional/financial competition will be tougher in Chicago.. There is a lot of money in Scottsdale but mostly real estate or entrepreneurial, much less people making deep six figures in corporate jobs.

Post: #37

(01-05-2019 03:35 PM)DonovanVC Wrote:  I might be one of the few, or only, person here to have lived in both Chicago and Phoenix/Scottsdale, so let me compare both for you.

Here's my overall recommendation: Choose Chicago, for the following reasons:

Thanks for the quality run down of the two places. Ya, I'm definitely looking at Chicago hard, but I would like to have a job lined up before I move, maybe get a temp job just to have some income coming in right away and then look for a better job.

(01-05-2019 03:58 PM)Graft Wrote:  Good breakdown of the two cities, accurate in my experience, except for one point: The daygame opportunities are much higher in Arizona. Don't forget that Chicago is freezing cold 6 months out of the year. Arizona you basically have all year. Lots of pool parties, concerts, during the day all year round, plus Vegas is a 4 hour drive away. I know people in Arizona and they are always drinking during the day in bars, at pools, house festivals. It might not be a "stop them on the street and game," but the weather pretty much allows all day all year outdoor partying, albeit on the weekends.

One thing OP has to take into account is the male competition. How tall/built/well dressed is OP? Chicago is more of a casually dressed city. Scottsdale people are dressed to the nines, lots of tatted up roid heads who dress like they have money. Scottsdale is tougher competition with looks/physique/dress


At the same time Chicago has a large professional layer of people making over 150k. Lots of big banks, law offices, tech, sales opportunities. The professional/financial competition will be tougher in Chicago.. There is a lot of money in Scottsdale but mostly real estate or entrepreneurial, much less people making deep six figures in corporate jobs.

The cold in Chicago does suck but it is similar to where I am at in Nebraska. If there is one thing I have going for me it is my looks, I'm 6"3, 185 lbs and built/look like a college basketball player who lifts heavy. I lift weights 3 days a week and have been for years, I also look young for my age thanks do being proactive about it for years (ACV skin toner, hylacuronic acid serum, sunblock, and coconut oil), most guess I'm about 25 but often think younger. It's why I do good online and on dance floor game. That being said I don't make alot of money and don't have alot of charisma, so I depend on the women being attracted physically to me and basically play don't fuck up game and lead the interaction/get physical. I've been with 8 chicks in the past 2 months, 5 from online and 3 from night game pulls, I imagine in a city like Chicago I could double or triple those results. I've literally messaged every chick who is a 6 or above on POF within a 40 mile radius, in Chicago I would have 10 times the women to message on dating apps and be able to go out any night instead of just Fri/Saturday here and even then you run into the same people often so you have to be careful.

Post: #38

Read this book. It will help you a great deal.