Another comment from Gorbachev on south Korea.
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Athlone's note: This comment pertains specifically to black men and their experience in South Korea as Gorbachev has seen it. He is responding to query I made about it. Blacks here on Rooshv, take heed.
Gorbachev
March 11, 2011 at 8:12 pm
@Athlone McGinnis
You talked about the situation for the average white expat in Korea. In your experience, how would a black guy do there(assuming gainful employment, etc)?
It’s better than being in the US. For sure. That’s to begin.
- You will get laid much more often.
- Approaches will either tank immediately or get you laid more or less immediately.
Downside:
- Racism is real there. It’s visceral. I’ve heard (in Korean) women saying they’d never let black men touch them. Disgusting. The general meme, PC bullshit aside, is that blacks are sub-human. The only way to get lower than blacks is 1) Not to be an American black, and 2) be a soldier.
Soldier+black = feral animal.
Some women fetishize this and will bang you like crazy. A tiny percentage.
Even Koreans who aren’t racist (and there are vanishingly few of them – no matter what they say in public/in English) are completely status-conscious. A cute, young Korean girl is a past master of leveraging her options.
White guys have it so much better there, it’s almost painful.
Black guys, … have it better there. But I’m going to go with this: Japan is your better bet. A lot of Japanese women are into, for lack of a better term, “Sport Fucking”. Some on an olympic-training level.
Black guys, guys with tattoos, etc. are seen as more animal/less human there, too. Which means, in Korea, they’ll never be seen with you and won’t like their own self-image if they let you touch them.
In Japan, without as many social restrictions, they’ll ride you till you drop dead. And they do things in trends: Japanese girls MAY EVEN KEEP YOU AS A BF.
Which is nearly impossible in Korea. 10 years ago, a mixed white/Korean marriage/bf/gf thing was much,much rarer than today. I heard from guys who got there 15 years ago that you turned your head when you saw a mixed couple.
Now, they’re all over. But there’s a VERY CONSPICUOUS lack of black/Korean couples.
Korean society is *extremely* racist. It’s deeply ingrained. PC sensibilities die fast there. The newspapers, the media, everyone is oh so polite; but it’s the thinnest possible gloss covering a simmering pot of unbridled racism so deep it seems impossible to root out.
A girl who dates a black guy may be treated as a complete social outcast by almost everyone she knows. There are a few; they’re tough, stalwart women who have power in other aspects of life. Artists who genuinely don’t give a flying fuck what anyone else thinks– and this is incredibly brave in Korea, let me tell you, such a woman is made of much sterner stuff than similar types elsewhere– and foreign-connected women who place no reliance on Korean contacts, friends or family for professional or personal reasons.
That just about sums it up.
Now, “dating” isn’t the same as “tapping that fine ass”. You CAN tap the extremely fine merchandise in Korea, but this is what a black guy needs:
If you have a really good job and money and huge amounts of class, you’ll fuck every hot chick you can – but you’re going to be discreet. Be discreet, and you get your pick of the hotties. DISCRETION.
A direct approach from a white guy (me) – as in, hey, this was fun, so come to a hotel with me tonight – will occasionally go sour but rarely. Examples of approaches: Go out with a girl for drinks, you met her in the afternoon, she’s hot, say, 26-28, and then you suggest going to a hotel without any fear or sense of impropriety. I’d get 50% saying sure, and there we were.
A black guy – where I’ll get “Oh, foreign guys are like that, anyway it should be fun”, a black guy might get “Oh, you disgusting pig, how could you say that? Animal?” – as a reaction (though she won’t say this). it’s the ASD. A white guy gets around it a lot more than you will, because it’s not seen as *quite* as disrespectable for her to fuck a white guy she just met.
It’s a hard call.
I’d say Japan. In Japan, there are whole classes of VERY HOT WOMEN who will love fucking you until you can’t walk.
In Korea, there are women who will let you in, but there are fewer, the conditions you’ll need to pass are harsher, and there’s not as much variety.
You want the real score?
Blow that shit and go to China. Poorly kept secret: While racism there is just as bad, an American black guy still has the cache of being American (and not African), and so some “status”. And girls there love to fuck all kinds of guys.
Chinese men have this image of Chinese girls as being somehow morally pure or clean – it’s true for a subset. But this subset is shrinking awfully fast. Pretty much all of the pretty girls with SMV will gladly go to bed with a guy they find interesting / cool and foreign; they’ll make a respectable Chinese BF wait for a few months before she’ll let him touch her pussy.
Chinese women are past masters at the whole bait/switch game and the Mega Shit Test. If you’re OBVIOUSLY just looking to bang her and you’re not an obviously disgusting lech, maybe even interesting, then almost all big city girls have a threshhold point over which they’ll have sex with you. They know you’re going, they know you’re just into them for this or that, you’re interesting, they can test their language skills (if you even share much of a language – I used my troubled Chinese with some women who spoke *no* English; it was interesting running game in these situations).
Don’t misjudge situations. I’ve had women I worked with approach me, others make themselves available, and all guys I’ve known who stayed there always said:
Screw Korea and Japan. Go to China.
My experience was, if you want the very hottest girls, Korea. There’s just something about them. They’re dangerous, but you can read them pretty well.
If you want the best possible access to non-whores, then it’s China.
I’ve never really spent time in SE Asia, so I can’t speak to it.
But the best thing about Korea, Japan and China is this: Often, the women there are better off than women back home. Korea and Japan are pretty wealthy, and financially secure. No-one is looking for a passport. China, well, is a different case – in Shanghai, having a foreign-born husband who does something interesting is a major score. You become an International Person, and they’re much more able to suck the fat of the land than a pure local or a pure foreigner. Actually, from a financial perspective, marrying a well-educated, well-placed Chinese woman is almost always a good prospect for both.
There’s an international class of people in China. As a foreigner, if you ingratiate yourself and move into the system, you get “honorary membership” in this class. And believe me –
There is just no fucking end of hot women in China. It makes you cry when you get back to the States.
If the country and the modern culture there wasn’t such a free-for-all toilet bowl, it might be a great place for a white guy to actually stay.
That said, in all of this, bring a practical mindset.
And I tell you: Japan for easy tail. It’ll be as young as you can imagine: a 35 year-old black guy might be able to enjoy the companionship of 21-year old women almost as a matter of course; you’re their Sport Fuck this week.
I’m not exaggerating. If you have your shit together, it’s stupid time. Learn to dance. I knew a salsa teacher from NYC (black) who basically made his way through every attractive 18-23 year-old woman he ever met in Yokohama, and they all loved him and never even asked him for anything approaching monogamy. He literally got to fuck *everyone*. Almost on command. It was insane. He also had UBER-GAME, and would probably have made quick work of the girls in Rio or LA, too. But it was like he declared war on Japanese dicks and just stole every pussy in sight.
On the other hand, that’s Japan, and you can expect the fucked-up weirdness of Japan to slap you in the face all the time.
Korea, … mixed bag. I knew a few black guys who did well. But the white guys AND the Korean guys all do waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better. Also sad.
One thing you’ll own: Any black women or even other foreign women in Korea. They’re basically on their own. You can have every one of them, most likely. But so can most white guys. Trick is, why?
China: There’s the money.
It’s in social chaos. Everything is true, nothing is true. You can expect it to be great and awful. You’ll be called a playboy and the daughters of the country will nervously/happily/aggressively/discreetly/openly have sex with you/relationships/leave with you/want to get rich with you/fuck you over/introduce you to businesspeople/travel with you, …
Maybe all of that at the same time.
Warning: All kinds of Asian guys will say other kinds of shit. They’ll call your chicks whores or whatever.
I only know Korea and China well; Japan was too bizarre for me, and really expensive. Japan is better for English teachers (Korea is crappy for English teachers, by comparison; even China can be better than Korea for English teachers).
I would say: Fuck it all and go to China. Learn Mandarin well. Study. Try hard. Pick some decent business that’s not horse-trading or regular crap. Get some decent position.
As a black guy, if you’re not ugly and are tall enough, it’s the best bet.
I’d say pass on Korea. Honestly.
Talk to other black guys in Korea. A few will make out like bandits – there’ll be reasons for that. if you’re going to go to Korea, find out what worked for them and replicate it. No shame in copying – you’re in Korea, after all.
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