Post: #151

I have smashed a few girls that I would call 9's but many of you would call 8's with great make up. One girl in particular that my friends said they would never even approach because it would be a waste of time at worst and public humiliation and emotionally crippling rejection at best.

I have secured these bangs / dating arrangements by providng the apex of my game skills. I'd walk away and think, damn, I can't believe I thought of that response or that line on the spot like that. Really made me look sharp and witty - and while I have my sparkling moments, I'm not like that all the time.

Anyway, needless to say, after a couple of months and a few moments of lackluster game, and her realization that I didn't come from a very well to do family like she does, she very quickly, coldly and efficiently dropped me. Leaving only some of the most godly nudes I have ever received as souvenirs, and of course the reputation as a serious player amongst my not so gamey friends.

I cut out much of the comfort game and strictly relied on the fact that I drive motorcycles, have an impressive sounding job title (even though it's not the most impressive job when you get to the details of it) and I cycle testosterone and work out which provides an impressive physique.

TLDR: Game will pull 9's if it's your A game and you can back it up. The game required is so high that it's difficult to maintain unless you're really solidly set up.

Post: #152

One value I provide to girls is that I make sure some of my business savvy and city savvy rubs off on them.

They will see me occasionally voice dictate an email to one of my contractors -- if they're willing to work a weekend night, it only benefits me -- hear my thoughts on why the bar we're at is killing it lately or what so-and-so should have done or said to side-step a work obstacle and ascend proper.

I don't talk shop or try to teach it but my lifestyle has a lot of natural bait that inquisitive girlies will hook on and get extra curious about, especially when I brush it off.

What about 9's though?

Those "smarter 9s" mentioned upthread KNOW they have to get their BI right and manage their managers to avoid that dreaded fate, post-fade.

Suddenly I have some DIFFERENT value when she sees and learns of my own come-up -- two businesses in opposite fields, one with ancillary cool social scene, one left brained one right brained, no outside investment:

It's about Her again!

She wants to soak it all up.

I have an ex-girlfriend who went from "retail + wanna-be-model" to "damn, she's in a commercial again?"*, agenting other actors, and doing pretty well. Every so often she'll hit me up with a story of how she used something she learned from me to strategize and win in a situation where other girls would have to rely solely on looks and social skills. Just learning to be a leader, getting shit done, etc.

* That's been an amazing source of material and I found fun ways to "invoke" it without it seeming planned, i.e. for a while she was in a back-of-taxi-TV commercial. Sometimes I would chuckle and mention "ugh, not as annoying as having your ex in one of these commercials" in response to a new girl of mine talking about an ex or friend while we're in a cab. New girl all "OMG which commercial?!?!? I wanna SEE HER" to which I jokingly refuse, change the subject, and leave the issue dangling. Perhaps later that night or next time I'll show her.

Had another ex -- parted on bad terms but she met me while she had a just-comfy-enough soulless corporate job, and I left her a year or so later a self-employed copywriter, tutor, and occasional author with several pieces appearing in enough well-circulated mags (and thinly-veiled references to me) to warrant another asterisk! But that was longer ago and, forget her.

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It's become a pattern with any upper echelon (certified 8+, personal 9+) chick I've had a 6 - 24 month fling with.

Side-note -- I was the breaker upper in these (and most) cases. If only I were a trader and could short stocks as well as I've shorted relationships over the years.

I have a lot of relationship game experience, and perhaps this value I add -- "learn to hustle in this city" or "avoid hoe-fate and think like someone without a pussy" -- is a bit boyfriend-material-ish. But it taps into something in them, they want it from me now.

However, girls I meet, even out at night, will get the slightest whiff of this while we banter and talk about dreams and why we're both in this city right now, once I've isolated her. Oh and probably zero mention of what our actual day-to-day work entails. And maybe no names yet. I love getting deep with girls, not asking her name until she is asking me an hour later, if it's one of those insta-hangs.

So it's back to making her FEEL GOOD about HER.

I'm "getting" her dream at a fundamental level since I'm "living mine" and weaving my inspiration into hers -- she's inspired and suddenly I am the guy she will be thinking about on Monday -- or thinking to go home with tonight. Moreso the former, lol, but working on it.

Either works -- once they are hooked, 9s that like you do not, in my experience, tend to play games.

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Shout out to WIA for (in many threads) providing a framework of "players make her feel" and "her investing" and "it's about her, what does she get out of it", and ESPECIALLY the "intern" and "make her useful to me" paradigm.

I make it a two-way street and have had these girls getting ME opportunities. Both on-site (bringing a head-turner to an event who can also schmooze well) and off-site (without being oblivious to a connection's possible ulteriors).

Post: #153

In the end it doesn't matter what style or method is better or worse so let's not speculate too much. What actually matters the most is to be around them. That's the best way to get a feel for what's up.

Game never ends. When you date a hot chick and eventually become a couple you just enter another level of game. This is cool cause you learn a lot about how life looks like for very beautiful girl and what's her actual reality and everyday train of thoughts. It's the same with having many attractive girls as friends. You get to know their problems, start recognizing patterns, you see how they view men and other women, what behavior is attractive to them and what is repulsing, etc.

That's goldmine of knowledge. Much better than one thread of reddit

Post: #154

Whatever girl you are talking to I think it is all about being at or above her league, or acting that way if she is still actually 'too good'.

Besides actually looking cool, being able to spit decent game, etc. I think the most important thing is to have that sense of entitlement which comes from a lot of experience banging hot chicks.

I am reluctant to admit there are any shortcuts. You get lucky once with a 9. Then again. And again. And once you get it a few times, it becomes no big deal.

There are 9s who are as dumb as fuck, and others who are very cultured and intelligent. Impossible to generalise. Some of us will have our niche of the 9s. For me that has been Brazilian/Colombians living in my city on student visas who I meet out Latin dancing, with me they get a young aussie guy who gets their culture, speaks their language and dances above their skill level. It gets their attention and I pull. On the other hand, you see me gaming local aussie 9s and I do not stand out that much. I can spit decent game and I look good, but nothing that blows them away. I think all guys have their niche and if you want to have 9s you will need to specialise until you are killing it with 9s in your niche. From there, time progresses, you get better looking, make more money and go for different niches and work your way up like your first niche. I think this will resonate with other guys who are actually pulling 9s on a somewhat regular basis.

The hard part of getting experience with them which has been stated before is that there just aren't many floating around relative to 7s and 8s.

I saw on the VS model thread that access is a large part of getting them. True.

First get access to these girls. Then shoot blanks until you get lucky. Rinse and repeat.

There is no silver bullet... as always.

Post: #155

I've banged only one 9 and that was total luck.

A hot ass young girl visiting LA from the east coast for the first time, her flight left the next morning, and I happened to be the guy who didn't fuck it up.

My friend was getting with her friend and she came along. All the guys tried to get with her and were so obviously and blatantly pandering to her they looked pathetic.

I hung back and acted normal. We were at my neighbor's place so during a cigarette break I casually invite her upstairs and secure the bang.

Perfect logistics, no competition, and total luck. Never saw her again she went on her plane hours afterwards.

I'm totally fine banging 6s-8s but will throw game at a 9 if the situation calls for it. I game them like any other chick. If anything I tone down the sexual vibe and act more "normal".

Post: #156

The advice seems to be (in classic game and RVF fashion) "Act like you've been there."

But get there first, dude.

I know, it doesn't make sense until it does.

Post: #157

This thread and the 'bigger' cities (it's all small towns in my area) really clear my mind and tell me I need to re-calibrate my range in rating. What in my town would be an 8, is just a 7 (if even) in the RVF perspective..

Post: #158

(11-27-2015 10:24 AM)Pride male Wrote:  One of the few 9s I have had the pleasure of seeing face to face. Didnt bang though. Lady Kitty Spencer. She dated cricketer Nick Compton and is now engaged a 44 year old tycoon.

I saw her at college not knowing who she was. I told her she should be in Hollywood instead of college and she politely smiled and said thanks. She tried to hook me up with her ugly friend. I wasnt interested.

9s? She is 7s at best, more like 6. Where do you live?

Post: #159

OP did you ever catch a 9

Post: #160

If a 9 or 10 is attracted to you it's because your just being yourself and she likes you..... no need to worry about anything else those chicks run the show and get what they want...enjoy the ride

that's were your confidence comes from, they give it to you (and they can take it away)

9 or 10's cold approach...you'll be tested until it may not be worth it and it'll cost ya

Post: #161

I think my scale is maybe a bit different from what is being described in the OP.

For me the most a girl can get is around an 8. The amount of times I hear phrases like "legit 9" and "perfect 10" makes me think different criteria are being used other than her true beauty.

The "9s" and "10s" in this case seem to be cases of hot looking 7s and 8s with fit bodies, well done makeup and an arguably more intimidating "model" type look rather than "girl next door". Maybe in the past when she was in high school at 18 years old, this same "10" was actually a mere "8". This is before she leaves school and truly discovers the massive power of her looks. She goes out to clubs, gets drunk, takes drugs. fucks guys, meets local ballers, then meets maybe high 7 figure men, 8 figures, then maybe even 9 figure men and finally russian oligarchs or oil sheikhs. All in the meantime is her swatting away normal men (even "alphas" with "game") left and right, posting pictures online, travels to all ends of the earth as easily and conveniently as possible. As her "organic" beauty starts to fade from the party lifestyle and aging (surprisingly quickly, even within 2 years after 18), then she just adds a bit more makeup, a bit more fake tan if she's one of those, or if she's a pale Russian, foundation or whatever other shit they use nowadays, at this point top end cosmetics, and adds professional photographers. Ironically as her beauty begins (key word begins) to fade, her status in her mind as a "9" or "10" will actually solidify, making it, indeed, exponentially more difficult to pick her up as a guy with game than when she was actually more beautiful at 18.

When I look at the world, I see girls that have a perception of their beauty and status at varying degrees. This is built on far less than her actual beauty than you would think. It comes from external references. In high school it's a few guys asking her out, when she gets of drinking age it's alpha men with "game", then rich local guys, then as she attention whores more, state wide then maybe even countrywide or even worldwide rich men, multimillionaires, billionaires, men so rich they don't even know how much money they have got, its exact value would probably depend on some IPO for the amount of oil they pump every day.

But there was a time - however brief and fleeting in nature, where that girl, now idolized by every man she comes across and with a significant worldwide following, a de facto billionaire by lifestyle, was just in her small back yard, with no idea about the ridiculous things she would go on to experience in the future because of her beauty, but the point when she was most beautiful, was then. She might be smitten with her highschool sweetheart who is such charming, charismatic alpha boy, but doesn't have a penny to his name. Because girls always remember their first love, there's a certain percentage of them who will never forget that broke ass local boy she graduated with and gave her heart to. Even after oil sheikhs have purposely stopped shitting for 4 days by means of Immodium and dropped a giant, anus stretching deuce on her chest, when she visits home and she bumps into that guy, she may still feel a little something, despite tons and tons of guys with superior "game" now having no effect upon her. Of course the feeling is not pure; it has been corrupted by her "9" billionaire lifestyle, but at least there is still a tiny, albeit indistinct flicker in that empty soul.

So for these "9s" and "10s", I agree that once they have the experiences and hence the self-perception of being a "9" or "10", then your average guy with great "game" at the bar is, bar some exceptional stroke of luck, completely shut out. You just can't fucking get them. I know the feeling of seeing those top tier, bitch faced, tall, model looking sluts being completely unattainable and the frustration that all the self-improvement or "game" in the world is never likely to be enough. But when girls are at this point, they have fucked quite a few guys, are glorified prostitutes, and if not prostitutes pose naked or near enough naked to get all the privileges they enjoy. The so-called "dime piece" image is obtained through natural beauty, expert use of cosmetics and clothing, and having lived the life of a sponsored dime piece for a couple years at least.

When she's a fresh-faced 18 year-old, she may not have that same "hot model" type look, but she is naturally far more beautiful, infinitely more pleasant, and attainable.

Since it is an extremely resource intensive pursuit to pursue these perceived "9s" and "10s", I'd probably try it only if it were my no 1 priority and I just couldn't get over it. If they are your far and away absolute no 1 preference, then you either go after them with all you have got, or you develop techniques to accept that you will never get them, and settle for second best (which can still be a life of nice, hot, pleasant girls). Although I would absolutely love to be rolling with and banging these "9s" and "10s", I cannot justify the cost, in terms of money or in terms of personal goals sacrificed by the time, money and effort required to "game" these girls for a maybe small chance of bagging a small single digit number in my entire lifetime. My personal preference is to go for girls who are just as naturally beautiful, if not more so, but who don't know it yet or who simply haven't chosen the "model" lifestyle.

It's all about opportunity cost and your preferences. The weakness of "game" advice as we all know is the marketing: "get ANY girl ANY time ANY place". This kind of marketing will ruin your life if you believe it: any man so deluded by it will unwittingly throw away the very decent life he could have had for the shiny prospect of completely unattainable semi-famous attention whores or famous models, many of whom have been shat on by ahmed al-shabab but that "doesn't count" because they didn't have sex. But I digress.

Post: #162

Right answer is all of the above/depends. I've fucked hot girls, ugly girls. white girls, black girls, rich girls, poor girls, etc. Sometimes I feel like there's no rhyme or reason as to why these women are attracted to me

I'm 5'7" and went bald in high school. I've dedicated years of my life to developing a rock hard and chiseled physique but to be honest I'm only a little handsome. I'm now focusing on my career, investments, and developing a side hustle.

I will never be the 6 6 6 man. (6 ft, 6 inches, 6 figures). I wasn't born with the genetics.

I've fucked two 9s in my life. One was in high school and she was a slut.

The other was one of the luckiest pulls I've ever had in my life where the stars seemed to align to get this hot 18 year old into my bed. I still shake my head in disbelief when I see her post pictures on instagram. My friends were jealous and confused when they saw it happen. Every single millisecond of that night seemed to work in my favor as if God himself had personally ordained that I would be 6 inches deep inside those sweet sweet sugar walls. Surely this bang had been written in the Book of Destiny outside the sands of time. During this pull I had perfect game. This pull should have been written down, video taped, and studied by young PUAs around the world. If a book had to be written about the fundamentals of game and every aspect of a pull from the moment of "Hello" to the moment your semen ejects all over her warm smooth skin it would be written about this night. My body language, my energy, my comments, my banter, my negs, my vibe. It was more than flow state. It was divine inspiration. Even the alcohol and cocaine flowing through my blood stream had to yield to this singular purpose. No mistakes were made, no stumbles, and no missteps.

Flawless victory.

Post: #163

Upon retrospect and in potential contravention of my previous post-

You can handle any woman if you are her best option at the time.

With 9s it's harder as they have more options and the men you are competing against are usually the best at what they do.

This is the foundation of it and basically keeping any woman around.

You are her best option at the current time.

This is why you gotta work harder to keep yourself on top of your shit, in all aspects of your life and to be a 10/10.

I could write another long post but it essentially boils down to this.

Post: #164

(06-24-2017 03:37 PM)Darkwing Buck Wrote:  I've fucked two 9s in my life. One was in high school and she was a slut.

The other was one of the luckiest pulls I've ever had in my life where the stars seemed to align to get this hot 18 year old into my bed. I still shake my head in disbelief when I see her post pictures on instagram. My friends were jealous and confused when they saw it happen. Every single millisecond of that night seemed to work in my favor as if God himself had personally ordained that I would be 6 inches deep inside those sweet sweet sugar walls. Surely this bang had been written in the Book of Destiny outside the sands of time. During this pull I had perfect game. This pull should have been written down, video taped, and studied by young PUAs around the world. If a book had to be written about the fundamentals of game and every aspect of a pull from the moment of "Hello" to the moment your semen ejects all over her warm smooth skin it would be written about this night. My body language, my energy, my comments, my banter, my negs, my vibe. It was more than flow state. It was divine inspiration. Even the alcohol and cocaine flowing through my blood stream had to yield to this singular purpose. No mistakes were made, no stumbles, and no missteps.

Flawless victory.

1. I have the same experience. "9s" are so much easier when they are 18 and in highschool as they haven't been exposed to the world as they will be as per my post above. These are the actual 9s in my opinion, the ones with full on true youth and beauty. The 9s others I suspect are referring to are the popular instagram attention whores etc. who require tons more game and to be quite honest significant status/money etc., but at the same time without makeup and enhancements aren't as beautiful as the 18 year old coming out of high school.

2. Despite the above, let's say you meet one of the 24 year old instagram attention whore type "9" in a night club, not only will your game have to be A+++ airtight, but you will have to have external factors so much in your favor on that night, as if for one night God is giving you a break and allowing the stars to align to fuck her. I have that experience too, minus the cocaine and alcohol actually because I don't do coke or drink much. But I just can't match the multimillionaire jetset lifestyle that men offer her, heck even a big but not insanely big house that's worth about a million or so with some nice land, some regular nice trips to Miami, top resorts in Hawaii etc. You can only keep these girls with the lifestyle, and since I would prefer to save my money to get hotter girls in FSU, she drops off the map.

3. If you meet a girl that hot, please tell me you went raw. And I don't pull out either, my brain was just on overdrive commanding me to explode into her (quality of genes I guess).

Post: #165

(06-25-2017 01:27 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  3. If you meet a girl that hot, please tell me you went raw.

Indeed I did my friend.

Post: #166

^^^Katy Perry is no 9.

All the highest quality chicks I've been with acted differently from their lower shelf counterparts. Most of the game that gets discussed is more about how to deal with 8s. 9s are extremely rare and represent the top quality women in the world.

In my experience, the girls who approach 9 have a sort of other worldly vibe about them. It's not just their looks, but their body language is sort mythical. Very low tension and high confidence. There's a sort of elegance with these women. Life is very simple for them. They don't have to deal with muck of whack options that 6s do.

That said, it is lonenly at the top. When these girls let you in, they fall in love hard.

Post: #167

When I read these fabled stories of the conquests of solid 9s, I imagine the wonder woman chick is the girl in question.







I want to see more examples of forum '9s'. Post em

Post: #168

Most 9s on the internet are photoshopped anyway

A 9 who doesn't know how attractive she is, now that's hard to find and probably the only one worth pursuing. Models, strippers, actresses and other money hungry bitches are not really worth it. You might as well p4p since these women will not date or fuck anybody without some sort of financial gain.

Post: #169

They love betas.

Post: #170

Been dating a 9 for 3 months now. Without makeup, she is an 8, gorgeous and an amazing body. She is my height, slightly taller in heels. People will comment on her beauty where-ever we are. Waitresses will interrupt us to tell us we make a beautiful couple. The list goes on and on. I didn't realize how hot she really was until she dolled herself up.

I have 3x more women hitting on me when I am out with her.

It helps to be good looking/fit and your style needs to be impeccable.

I have written about her elsewhere and how we met. Luck and timing had a part to play but once I saw the opportunity, I jumped on it like a 40 year old single woman diving for a bouquet at her best friends wedding.

Met her in the morning and met her the same evening and basically channeled my sexual energy and invaded her personal space. Used game as a checkpoint to gain feedback as to how I was doing.

Anyways, my observations, open to discussion as this is anecdotal and who I am now with tight game as opposed to my fortunate run in with a 9 a few years ago.

Things I did and do correctly:
- opportune, had balls

- no games, no bullshit, pure desire and masculinity - I told her on the first date, I wanna spend unhealthy amounts of time with her after building a lot of sexual tension. Phoned her the next day instead of messaging. Basically did shit deviating from the script. Then I switched it up with being unavailable because I am on my own mission. Too many guys trying to play games with hot women and trying to game too hard. Girls want a genuine connection and game is a way of creating that but you don't need game if you're a genuine guy with your balls on the table and nothing to lose because you got women lined up the block.

- fucked her well. This is part of the luck, she never had an orgasm before she met me (22). The leverage this gives me cannot be understated; I have written multiple times about fucking them well.

- siege mentality; us vs them and bubble. Combined with framing pretty much all men as thirsty and my approach that I judge women based off behaviour, not looks. Internalization of this was very important.

- ambition, selling her the dream that you are well-rounded (stories), connected (network) and on the grind (time you spend and the results of your work).


Handing her and things you need to deal with:
- they always seem to have gay friends. As long as you can banter with them and know that they wanna fuck you, you can pretty get them liking you. Her friends will want to fuck you too and you will need to balance this with getting them to like you and also not doing anything stupid.

- constant waves of guys trying to hit on her. This is probably the most annoying. I leave her for 2 mins to go to the bathroom and there will be 2 guys chatting to her. She will be polite but happy to see me back and motioning with her eyes. I disagree with the notion that guys don't approach these girls. They check them out 24/7, sure, and make them feel desired. Add alcohol on a night out and they come like flies smelling shit. You gotta bat them away. You gotta be mentally strong and trust her when she is out.. I wrote about this when they go out and get attention but come home and fuck you.

- social media obsession. I am fortunate that my girl isn't like this (I screened but also was kinda lucky in 2018). Regardless, the same way some of her friends will hoe it up, they will also be obsessed with social media. You gotta lay a framework, without being explicit, on how this is pretty much lame. Being a hoe is unbecoming. It's similar to what I wrote in training your girl. Pavlovian training and whatnot.

- your own idea of yourself. You need to know you're a fucking 10/10 and that you can have any girl you want. Some do this via proxy of their achievements. Other guys will hit on women when they are out to flex. Many ways to skin a cat but never ever let your confidence drop because to prop it up you will rely on her value and this is a recipe for disaster. Never think she is above you and you might get these floating thoughts when you have people harping on about her beauty, her intelligence and all constituent elements that make her 'amazing'.

- naivety. She thinks that most guys are nice and tries to ignore that every guy is actively trying to fuck her. She is coming round to it, under my wing, but she isn't a bitch enough and that is something I gotta deal with because you want a chick that every guy wants to fuck but a chick you can trust to tell them to fuck off.


These girls are normal girls who are actually tired of being checked out 24/7. Instagram models are like an 8 best, still fishing for attention and validation online. Purely beautiful girls are tired of that shit because it's constant in real life. My girl sometimes gets annoyed because she thinks she gets by just on her looks at times, and not by merit of her intelligence (which she is, for a woman).

Be a man, put your balls on the line and seize what is yours. This is pretty much what women want, behaviourally. Sort your life out and go out there. When you get the woman you want, be open, be firm, have your rules but remember it's a back and forth while you build something incredible.

I probably omitted a few things here and there.

Women are women at the end of the day.

She told me the other day, "I wish I could go back 5 years and have you take my virginity".


"Anybody can control a woman's body but see, the key is to control her mind"

Refer to the source:

Post: #171

(12-19-2018 04:30 AM)Noir Wrote:  she never had an orgasm before she met me

I laughed through my nose at this bit. Surely you have been around long enough to recognize when experienced girls are pumping you up to make you think they're basically virgins and that you're the best bang they ever had... and now you're in love, completely hooked.

Good post otherwise, enjoy!

Post: #172

(12-19-2018 04:56 AM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  

(12-19-2018 04:30 AM)Noir Wrote:  she never had an orgasm before she met me

I laughed through my nose at this bit. Surely you have been around long enough to recognize when experienced girls are pumping you up to make you think they're basically virgins and that you're the best bang they ever had... and now you're in love, completely hooked.

Good post otherwise, enjoy!

Meh, I would expect some benefit of the doubt if you read my previous posts and the actual content of the post you quoted.

Her friend told my mate who is hooking up with her: "he is the best thing to ever happen to her, she never had an orgasm before him. now she is finally less anxious and stressed".

After a while, she mentioned this post-sex, without any reference, stating she thought something was wrong with her before she met me and the first time we had sex was the biggest relief of her life, she discussed it with her doctor etc. She felt shameful and I needed to comfort her. Was that beta?

This is partly why I dislike this forum; rule of thumb is rule of thumb. Yet posters complain about women and are negative 24/7 that when some good shit appears, you are more paranoid about what might be wrong as opposed to chilling the fuck out and enjoying what it is.

Post: #173

@Noir

You are describing how any man, without societal programming, would naturally be.

Sad commentary on modern times that it is something we have to fight to achieve.

Always like your game posts.

Post: #174

I thought it was a foregone conclusion 9s and even 8s for that matter have less options than 7s. I still stand behind that. Most guys are pussy cats and would never attempt to shoot at a indirectly let alone have the balls to cold approach.

Post: #175

^ It's an interesting idea that I've thought quite a bit about, but don't buy. They are pickier and are not welcoming like a 7 may be, but they act like they aren't when they "tell" others that "no one approaches me". Yeah, whatever, that's like a 5 complaining that no guys approach either, when you find out later they are all on her level or even better (especially these days). It definitely happens, and there isn't a single 8-9 out there that can't have every last quality guy met by the thousands of connections they have if truly 9.

They have way MORE options and it's a paradox of choice phenomenon. It's also a paralysis of "what do I WANT with all these choices" and "what should I do at this age"?