Post: #26

As weak advice as this may be, I think the best solution to your problem is to get a hobby. Now before you get angry let me explain. You're panicking, You're getting insecure and impatient. Everybody on here knows that if the inner is bad the outer shows. You're probably amazing with women but now you're giving yourself a time limit.
One of these things will happen
1. You rush and get into a relationship with the first decent woman you find.
2. Your standards get a bit too high and you get depressed because you can't find anything close to what you want
3. You find EXACTLY what you want, but you completely lose your frame over being impatient.

This where finding a hobby comes to play. Find something YOU enjoy doing, better yet find something YOU enjoy doing and your dream girl would enjoy doing. Try to see if there are meet ups for that certain thing. You'll be happier doing something you actually enjoy doing and you might find a nice girl there. If you're good looking and look young you can approach almost any woman if your game is good.

The grass is always greener on the other side. I'm 25 out of shape, broke, and still trying to work on my game. I'm trying to get closer to your level every day.

Get a hobby, enjoy your freetime, build a harem (to help you maintain relationships with women, or atleast have one LTR type of girl) and realize you have a lot of time left.


Lastly, the type of women you like hangs out at Barnes and noble and starbucks.



Edit: After reading your last post it seems you have a inner game issue. You worked hard to raise your SMV but judging from the way you talk it seems you don't believe women want your for you but rather for what you are (or what you can do for them). If your SMV was really high then women would pretty much KILL to be with you. I've seen it happen.

Post: #27

(12-14-2018 08:54 PM)Graft Wrote:  Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled with what I have. My situation is pretty close to a 10/10 for bachelor life in NYC. Tons of options, hookups, leads etc. I'd be down with a 7 too, but keep in mind I think my SMV is a higher rating.

If there's one thing I can tell myself to make myself feel better, it's that it really isn't me. Women in my target market aren't waiting for some handsome jacked rich chad to sweep them off their feet. I do a ton of creeping on social media and these girls are pretty much always single-never devoting their love to a guy in public. It's always like pulling teeth to get these girls to pay attention to you for more than two days a week in between their job/school/friends/traveling/whatever.

The cultural rot has been talked about a lot, but it's a lot more interesting to look at when I became a high SMV guy. The girls aren't putting me off for LTRs with other high SMV guys, they are just chasing career and thrills. If every girl was in an LTR by her 24th birthday, I'd probably be with a 9.

Someone said not to move abroad for a woman, but in about 3 years time I need to come to terms with the reality of the situation: I probably won't find a woman with my criteria who wants an LTR/marriage at this point in her life. I can definitely get a late 20's chick with notch count for an LTR, but that's not what I want. She won't give me enough fertile years for my children. If I go abroad, I'm very confident that I'll be able to pull a top shelf chick, top tier looks, low notch count, etc. If I could pull this many hotties in the US, Mexico/Ukraine/Serbia etc will be a layup for my criteria.

Back to the path to 500k, It's possible to get there in 10-20 years, but highly unlikely unless I give up the bachelor life, move to the suburbs and put in 50- 60 hours/week. I've been dicking around too much, chasing these hoes, dealing with multiple plates, blowing so much money. I truly need a teammate if I want to get ahead in life.

I can already see my future if nothing plays out: a washed up bachelor, bitter, sexually frustrated, lonely, and possibly failing my career for not focusing.

Some of this is a function of location. I don't live in NYC but I travel there for work pretty often. It's probably the best city in the US to rack up numbers, but might be the worst for trying to lock down a young hottie. Chicks who are under 25 literally move to NYC to "have fun" and have zero desire for a long-term thing. It's selection bias. Having high market value helps, but probably just isn't enough for the best girls.

Here's something to consider. Of the chicks who you meet and fuck, how many of them end up wanting repeats or wanting to lock you down after a few weeks/months of banging? If that number is low not just with the top shelf women but with others as well, then perhaps you need to work on your long-term "LTR" game. If you're clearly getting girls wanting to lock you down, just not the ones you really want, then its likely a product of location.

I don't think there's anything wrong with going abroad to pursue women, the risk is that it hurts your career. Is it challenging to take a ~2-3 week trip without falling back at work? If not, its something I would consider. I don't think its impossible to find what you are looking for in NYC, but the probability is certainly far lower.

Finally, this isn't firsthand necessarily but its something I've heard from many people older, wiser, and more successful than myself. You can't perfectly plan out your life. Based on your posts, it sounds like you have a very clear vision of what you want your next ~25 years of life to look like. That isn't a bad thing, but you shouldn't be so laser-focused on following the plan to where you ignore other things that are happening, whether that's with women, your career, traveling etc. Flexibility with the right mindset can lead to the best outcomes.

Post: #28

I’m know I’m nobody on this forum, but OP sounds like a little bitch.

Your “situation” is in your head. Try having a job that leaves you isolated from your loved ones, makes it difficult to foster new relationships due to distance, pays a livable but meager wage compared to the OPs 200000+, and poses a health and safety risk due to the nature of the work. These are objective realities that I face daily and are not some made up bullshit about how I “feel” about my situation.

I’m not trying to downplay the severity of your situation, but your situation is far from severe. My advice - man up pussy. For real.

Maybe try a dangerous job. That might shake whatever feelings you have about how difficult your shit is.

Post: #29

I feel like the young girls who you have to build an online social status to land aren't the same girls ready for marriage. That doesn't look cool on their instagram or snapchat or whatever. IMO settle for girls who a bit older and more mature who don't care about that stuff, and don't budge on the rest. A girl who has a high n-count at 26 probably had a n-count at 21. If you date for 2 years and have a baby a year or two later like another member suggested, even a 25 year old now could have your kid before 30. And she's infinitely more likely to settle down.

Post: #30

I think OPs problem is that hes looking for a serious relationship in nyc. Youd fare much better somewhere like chicago or a smaller city

Post: #31

(12-14-2018 02:51 AM)Jozi Wrote:  Powerful words and very true. I think this is why 27 is the age a lot of people die or kill themselves. Quite interesting how Kurt Cobain, Elvis, Avicii, Jim Morrison and Jimmy Hendrix (among others) all died at age 27-28. All people will ruthless ambition and talent. It seems like the more ambition you have and the earlier in life you get some success, the harder this realization will hit you once you reach your late 20's.

Elvis was 42 when he died and was massively overweight and had a bad heart attack.

Add Amy Winehouse, probably others if I thought about it

(12-17-2018 02:34 AM)tugofpeace Wrote:  I think OPs problem is that hes looking for a serious relationship in nyc. Youd fare much better somewhere like chicago or a smaller city

I see plenty of people in LTR in New York. A lot of them move in together to save on rent because it is so freaking high here, a lot of early to mid 20s couples partnering up.

Post: #32

I'm in full panic mode now, being just a few years younger than Roosh. None of us want a used up whore (code for girl over 22) and it gets almost impossible to find a young virgin girl who isn't put off by your age.

Post: #33

(12-14-2018 02:45 AM)corsega Wrote:  

(12-14-2018 01:35 AM)Graft Wrote:  I'm just not sure what to do because I have a decent shot at a 500k/year career if I grind it out in the US, but I'm fucking it up by blowing so much money to build my online brand and date top women.

...how on earth are you spending enough to make a dent in a 200K/year salary on "building an online brand" and dating women?

He's doing "baller game"...in NYC. That shits expensive.

Post: #34

(12-17-2018 12:04 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  I'm in full panic mode now, being just a few years younger than Roosh. None of us want a used up whore (code for girl over 22) and it gets almost impossible to find a young virgin girl who isn't put off by your age.

So then date slightly older. I don't understand this obsession with girls under 22. sluttiness is usually established from ages 18-21. If she's good throughout those years, her n-count will still be relatively low at 26. If she's a slut during those years, she'll be even sluttier at 26. But the good ones will be more receptive to a relationship and marriage and kids as well.

Personally I can't really stand girls under 24. They might be slightly hotter, but that doesn't make up for how vapid and annoying they are. They're always on their phones and social media. Seems hard these days to go on a date with a 21 year old without her taking photos of how cool the drink looks and posting it to snapchat/ig. I can't explain why but it's such a turn off for me. it's especially annoying when girls try to take pictures of their drinks or food and get me in the picture, as if I'm just some prop in the background so they can show their friends that they're out having fun with a guy. I see this behavior in literally all late teens early 20's girls. It's just the gen-z way. 1995 is my cut off, younger than that they're too annoying. These girls cannot live in the moment at all, they've been completely socially engineered to record anything mildly interesting. Don't even get me started about taking them to any live music venues. And I'm not that much older than these girls myself, but the maturity level is night and day.

Post: #35

(12-17-2018 12:04 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  I'm in full panic mode now, being just a few years younger than Roosh. None of us want a used up whore (code for girl over 22) and it gets almost impossible to find a young virgin girl who isn't put off by your age.

youre not alone, brother. im mid-30's and in full panic mode as well.

you can find decent girls under 30, but they most likely will be outside of USA.
Go wife hunting abroad is my suggestion.

if i was outside of US/anglosphere, i would definitely be married by now. my money and career are currently tied to being in the U.S. -- trying to find a way to be location independent so i can get the fuck out of here and get married.

Post: #36

(12-14-2018 11:37 PM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  You worked hard to raise your SMV but judging from the way you talk it seems you don't believe women want your for you but rather for what you are (or what you can do for them).

I thought this was the essence of the red pill. I don't believe women are going to like me for some esoteric reason, some philosophy book I read a year back.

When you're a guy with no social circle to help you in NYC, you're competing with some of the top men in the world. Being a cool good looking guy can get you lucky once or twice, but it's not enough to consistently land you top talent.

I'm not a game purist-my mentality for pickup is getting to the top of the SMV ladder by any means possible-top looks, top money, top travels. Demonstrate value until I am irresistible.

FYI I'm not a generic baller posting pictures of a new Rolex or racks of Louis Vuitton. I create an image of my lifestyle which includes fun events, adventures into nature, cool vacations, house parties.

Post: #37

It's not that I can't pull in the US, I just don't want to deal with the abuse and flakiness much longer.

A summary of my recent (2 month) history:
1. One mini relationship with a 22 year old Ukranian 8, things were going well until I caught her talking to other guys and using dating apps. I nexted her but she still pings me.
2. 26 year old 8.5, two dates with makeouts, great chemistry, fell off the map for about a month. hit her with a restart text and she was down, looking to finally close soon.
3. 30 year old Latina 7, had one date which ended in a makeout in the spring. Been sending restarts here and there, she schedules a date for tonight but flakes because she couldn't get off work.
4. 21 year old 7, comes with me to a house party with her 9.5 19 y/o friend. I hook the friend up with my buddy, she sucks my dick in the bathroom. She then drags us all to a NYC nightclub, the guys can't get in so she leaves all three of us outside at the door and enters without us. Never hear from here again.
5. 22 year old blonde 8, hit me up for a late night SNL after I send her a dick pick. Pinged her a few times after that, she abuses me pretty much every time. Real nasty broad.
6. 30 year old Latin American 8, get a good SNL which she is down for BDSM. Ghosts me after.
7. 21 year old college student 6, get a good makeout but she says she is too busy with finals/work, can't drag her out again and decide its not worth it.
8. Various flakes with young girls in the 7-9 range.

I can never seem to get one to fully respect and submit to me, hence why I am getting worried. Out of the many positives of this situation, the best feeling is knowing that I can consistently land 7s and 8s in the US, which should translate to an 8 or 9 abroad who is higher quality.

Post: #38

This idea that you can easily find a suitable wife outside the US sounds absurd to anyone who's actually not living in the US. I live in South America and I can tell you it's not easy in here. 8+ in looks, high IQ, virgin / low notch count, feminine/conservative, under 21, will marry a guy in his 30s? A foreign guy at that? Good fucking luck, let me know when you find this unicorn because I want one too. Some things you should consider:

- Smartphones are everywhere.
- Feminism and modernity are everywhere.
- Finding a traditional girl in most of the world is looking for a needle in a haystack. It's not just the US, they're rare everywhere.
- Smart girls are typically from wealthy families. IQ correlates with wealth. Wealthy families in developing countries are typically "Westernised" and not traditional.
- The same applies, to some extent, to beautiful girls. Poor girls don't have as much access to nutrition, clothes, etc. The girls who will catch your eye will often be middle / upper class and very Westernised.
- Traditional, intelligent, beautiful girls do exist. But they are usually not interested in foreigners. They want to stay close to their families, and they'd rather marry a high status local who comes from a similar place as they do and understands them in a way you never could as a foreigner.
- If you take a girl out of her natural environment, she'll adapt to the new environment. If you take a traditional girl out of wherever you found her and bring her to some decadent first world city, she'll be negatively influenced.

It's not impossible, but it's much harder than it sounds. From what I can see, we have a lot of guys in this forum who want to settle down and who also travel a lot. How come they're not finding wives? It's just hard. Most of the girls who fit the requirements marry early to someone in their social circles. When they don't, there's usually something wrong with them.

I think you'd have better luck looking for an American girl in Utah or something like that. If this is truly important to you and you're beginning to panic, you should start as soon as possible. Reevaluate whatever you're doing with your life and make it so you're living according to your goals.

Post: #39

(12-17-2018 12:26 PM)Aenema Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 12:04 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  I'm in full panic mode now, being just a few years younger than Roosh. None of us want a used up whore (code for girl over 22) and it gets almost impossible to find a young virgin girl who isn't put off by your age.

So then date slightly older. I don't understand this obsession with girls under 22. sluttiness is usually established from ages 18-21. If she's good throughout those years, her n-count will still be relatively low at 26. If she's a slut during those years, she'll be even sluttier at 26. But the good ones will be more receptive to a relationship and marriage and kids as well.

The reason I mentioned girls 22 and under is because I've heard bad things about older virgin girls. If they're not married or fucked by around 25 there's obviously something seriously wrong with them. My ex-wife was a virgin at 27 and huge problems showed up later on in the relationship.

Post: #40

(12-17-2018 05:46 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 12:26 PM)Aenema Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 12:04 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  I'm in full panic mode now, being just a few years younger than Roosh. None of us want a used up whore (code for girl over 22) and it gets almost impossible to find a young virgin girl who isn't put off by your age.

So then date slightly older. I don't understand this obsession with girls under 22. sluttiness is usually established from ages 18-21. If she's good throughout those years, her n-count will still be relatively low at 26. If she's a slut during those years, she'll be even sluttier at 26. But the good ones will be more receptive to a relationship and marriage and kids as well.

The reason I mentioned girls 22 and under is because I've heard bad things about older virgin girls. If they're not married or fucked by around 25 there's obviously something seriously wrong with them. My ex-wife was a virgin at 27 and huge problems showed up later on in the relationship.

I'm thinking you could find a girl whose only been in LTRs. I'm not into virgins at all honestly. it's nice to be her first but beyond that I feel we have little in common. So yea, if they're a virgin by 25 thats a problem. But not married by 25? Most western girls aren't, even high quality. The girls I see marry young in the US aren't attractive and definitely are uneducated.

I'm curious though-what kind of problems showed up from your ex wife's virginity later on in the marriage?

Post: #41

(12-17-2018 05:18 PM)Super Average Man Wrote:  This idea that you can easily find a suitable wife outside the US sounds absurd to anyone who's actually not living in the US. I live in South America and I can tell you it's not easy in here. 8+ in looks, high IQ, virgin / low notch count, feminine/conservative, under 21, will marry a guy in his 30s? A foreign guy at that? Good fucking luck, let me know when you find this unicorn because I want one too. Some things you should consider:

- Smartphones are everywhere.
- Feminism and modernity are everywhere.
- Finding a traditional girl in most of the world is looking for a needle in a haystack. It's not just the US, they're rare everywhere.
- Smart girls are typically from wealthy families. IQ correlates with wealth. Wealthy families in developing countries are typically "Westernised" and not traditional.
- The same applies, to some extent, to beautiful girls. Poor girls don't have as much access to nutrition, clothes, etc. The girls who will catch your eye will often be middle / upper class and very Westernised.
- Traditional, intelligent, beautiful girls do exist. But they are usually not interested in foreigners. They want to stay close to their families, and they'd rather marry a high status local who comes from a similar place as they do and understands them in a way you never could as a foreigner.
- If you take a girl out of her natural environment, she'll adapt to the new environment. If you take a traditional girl out of wherever you found her and bring her to some decadent first world city, she'll be negatively influenced.

It's not impossible, but it's much harder than it sounds. From what I can see, we have a lot of guys in this forum who want to settle down and who also travel a lot. How come they're not finding wives? It's just hard. Most of the girls who fit the requirements marry early to someone in their social circles. When they don't, there's usually something wrong with them.

I think you'd have better luck looking for an American girl in Utah or something like that. If this is truly important to you and you're beginning to panic, you should start as soon as possible. Reevaluate whatever you're doing with your life and make it so you're living according to your goals.

That conservative/traditional/feminine American girl in Utah/Wyoming can be easily corrupted on a short trip to NYC, LA or Miami.

I would rather take a risk with a foreign girl than an American one

Post: #42

OP needs to relax.

You can easily pull early 20s girls if you are in your mid 30s and in reasonable shape/looks.

I also don’t know why you are so convinced that you will pull endlessly abroad because you can pull your own breed in NYC. Have you been to those places and had success before?

Post: #43

(12-17-2018 10:22 PM)Day Game Bang Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 05:18 PM)Super Average Man Wrote:  This idea that you can easily find a suitable wife outside the US sounds absurd to anyone who's actually not living in the US. I live in South America and I can tell you it's not easy in here. 8+ in looks, high IQ, virgin / low notch count, feminine/conservative, under 21, will marry a guy in his 30s? A foreign guy at that? Good fucking luck, let me know when you find this unicorn because I want one too. Some things you should consider:

- Smartphones are everywhere.
- Feminism and modernity are everywhere.
- Finding a traditional girl in most of the world is looking for a needle in a haystack. It's not just the US, they're rare everywhere.
- Smart girls are typically from wealthy families. IQ correlates with wealth. Wealthy families in developing countries are typically "Westernised" and not traditional.
- The same applies, to some extent, to beautiful girls. Poor girls don't have as much access to nutrition, clothes, etc. The girls who will catch your eye will often be middle / upper class and very Westernised.
- Traditional, intelligent, beautiful girls do exist. But they are usually not interested in foreigners. They want to stay close to their families, and they'd rather marry a high status local who comes from a similar place as they do and understands them in a way you never could as a foreigner.
- If you take a girl out of her natural environment, she'll adapt to the new environment. If you take a traditional girl out of wherever you found her and bring her to some decadent first world city, she'll be negatively influenced.

It's not impossible, but it's much harder than it sounds. From what I can see, we have a lot of guys in this forum who want to settle down and who also travel a lot. How come they're not finding wives? It's just hard. Most of the girls who fit the requirements marry early to someone in their social circles. When they don't, there's usually something wrong with them.

I think you'd have better luck looking for an American girl in Utah or something like that. If this is truly important to you and you're beginning to panic, you should start as soon as possible. Reevaluate whatever you're doing with your life and make it so you're living according to your goals.

That conservative/traditional/feminine American girl in Utah/Wyoming can be easily corrupted on a short trip to NYC, LA or Miami.

I would rather take a risk with a foreign girl than an American one

That's hilarious. You think women from Utah/Wyoming will easily be corrupted by a short trip to NYC, LA, or Miami but don't think finding a wife abroad and traveling with her or bringing her to the U.S. won't do the same?

Having grown up in a small town in the Rocky Mountains the idea that all conservative women here become sluts if they go to NYC (which almost none of them do) is ridiculous. Slut shaming exists here, and you can't sleep around in a small town without word getting out. The two sluts in our high school had to move to different cities and live with extended family members because everyone treated them like second-class citizens. By the time high school finishes all the sluts move to big cities and the good women stay local. Not to mention fathers and mothers have no problem slut shaming their own daughters as well. Nobody wants the community to know they raised a slut.

NYC is the mecca of sluts. Don't compare women in the rest of the U.S. to the women you've met in a city that draws from the worst of everywhere else. The good women stay around their family or live in a city like Cheyenne so they can visit their families often.

I lived in Asia for 5+ years, speak Chinese so had access to better women, and have traveled extensively in Europe. Everyone here has a hard on for foreign women as wives, but I just don't see it. Rural communities in the U.S. breed women that are just as good if not better wife material than metro cities anywhere else in the world imo. My large extended family has loads of stable marriages with women who cook, clean, behave like women should, and prioritize motherhood above all else.

The problem with Rooshv members finding wives is that the places the good women are, they don't want to go. And staying around those places for a few weeks or even a month or two isn't near long enough to convince a good woman that you are going to stay around for good and not just pump and dump.

Post: #44

Some random thoughts:

1. If you marry a young woman and become the sole-provider to her in the US, you will be setting yourself up for a potential divorce rape of epic proportions; especially at your income levels.

2. The fact of the matter is this: The US is terrible for sole-providers. The legal system alone punishes you severely in a divorce, in child support payments, and therefore gives Ms. Virgin Pussy enormous leverage over your ass. Finding a woman with your criteria ANYWHERE in the world is hard. MAINTAINING that woman and keeping her from blowing up your family and marriage is very, VERY hard in a society that INCENTIVIZES blowing up marriages. I highly suggest you don't get married in the US unless she makes more money than you.

3. If you want even a chance at successful family life: Find states with caps on child support. Nevada and Texas for example have caps that are reasonable. In contrast NY is horrible, absolutely horrible, on the divorce/child support front. Caps on child support = more leverage for you as sole-provider = less chance of family blowing up. Again, DO NOT get married. You gain little and put at risk a lot.

4. Furthermore, focus in general on environments that foster having a traditional family. NYC is ground zero of where NOT to find your future wife and raise a family. Everything about NYC is anti-family. The taxes, the child support/divorce laws, the noise, the lifestyle, the types of women attracted to living there, the real estate, the school system, culture. EVERYTHING.

Accept that you will likely leave NYC at a minimum to get what you want ultimately. Maybe find the chick in NYC but no way staying there long-term.

5. Where to go then?

Domestically, I think you're in for a mega tough battle unless you are willing to go the religious route; particularly the Mormon route. Maybe visit one of their wards (think that's what they call their local churches/meeting places) in NYC to get a feel for it. If not that route, you better start discriminating hard and not wasting any time on non-qualified women. More on this in a bit below.

You COULD find a traditional woman in NYC passing by on a short-term assignment and there are TONS of 1st and 2nd generation immigrant women who don't have entirely shitty values. But again, you need to leave NYC ultimately to establish your base in a pro-family living environment like in parts of Texas, Utah, or Tennessee for example.

Overseas, you might be able to find what you're looking for to some degree but you will be making some major trade-offs and really shouldn't do it solely for wife hunting/family building alone. But it's hard to say without knowing you better as a person.

6. Cut out this baller game bullshit of whatever you're doing that is excessively eating money up and get focused. Let me show you un-focused:

(12-17-2018 04:50 PM)Graft Wrote:  I've been looking for a woman to cash my chips out with, streamline my finances, travel, live with, etc. My criteria for a woman:
-Submissive, loyal, traditional, feminine
-0-3 previous sexual partners
-8 range in looks, mediterranean/latin complex, fat ass
-Genetically intelligent and good looking
-18-23 years old
-Wants to start having children by age 27

*Bonus points for family wealth

Looking? Wasting time from the sounds of it.

(12-17-2018 04:50 PM)Graft Wrote:  It's not that I can't pull in the US, I just don't want to deal with the abuse and flakiness much longer.

A summary of my recent (2 month) history:
1. One mini relationship with a 22 year old Ukranian 8, things were going well until I caught her talking to other guys and using dating apps. I nexted her but she still pings me.

[Were you real deal exclusive? Mini-relationship doesn't sound very exclusive to me. I really hope you were real deal exclusive otherwise you fucked up big time. You could recover this, in your favor, depending on the circumstances]

2. 26 year old 8.5, two dates with makeouts, great chemistry, fell off the map for about a month. hit her with a restart text and she was down, looking to finally close soon.

3. 30 year old Latina 7, had one date which ended in a makeout in the spring. Been sending restarts here and there, she schedules a date for tonight but flakes because she couldn't get off work.

4. 21 year old 7, comes with me to a house party with her 9.5 19 y/o friend. I hook the friend up with my buddy, she sucks my dick in the bathroom. She then drags us all to a NYC nightclub, the guys can't get in so she leaves all three of us outside at the door and enters without us. Never hear from here again.

[Party slut]

5. 22 year old blonde 8, hit me up for a late night SNL after I send her a dick pick. Pinged her a few times after that, she abuses me pretty much every time. Real nasty broad.

[Real traditional]

6. 30 year old Latin American 8, get a good SNL which she is down for BDSM. Ghosts me after.

7. 21 year old college student 6, get a good makeout but she says she is too busy with finals/work, can't drag her out again and decide its not worth it.

[Say what? You want a smart bitch but you sound like you are upset that she picked her finals over you and you gave up. Why did you give up on this? Typical combo this time of year of finals then woman peacing out until January to spend time with family. You should be hitting her up again shortly before new years and right after maybe.]

8. Various flakes with young girls in the 7-9 range.

I can never seem to get one to fully respect and submit to me, hence why I am getting worried.

You need to filter out the garbage WAY earlier and stop wasting time. Supposedly you're on a time clock and are hellbent on trying to find some of the most ultra-rare women in the entire world... but you are fucking off on clearcut dealbreaker chicks AND possibly (can't say for sure) cutting off the few potential decent leads you do have it seems.

Time and energy are finite resources. Use them wisely.

Post: #45

(12-18-2018 05:02 AM)Rawdog Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 10:22 PM)Day Game Bang Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 05:18 PM)Super Average Man Wrote:  This idea that you can easily find a suitable wife outside the US sounds absurd to anyone who's actually not living in the US. I live in South America and I can tell you it's not easy in here. 8+ in looks, high IQ, virgin / low notch count, feminine/conservative, under 21, will marry a guy in his 30s? A foreign guy at that? Good fucking luck, let me know when you find this unicorn because I want one too. Some things you should consider:

- Smartphones are everywhere.
- Feminism and modernity are everywhere.
- Finding a traditional girl in most of the world is looking for a needle in a haystack. It's not just the US, they're rare everywhere.
- Smart girls are typically from wealthy families. IQ correlates with wealth. Wealthy families in developing countries are typically "Westernised" and not traditional.
- The same applies, to some extent, to beautiful girls. Poor girls don't have as much access to nutrition, clothes, etc. The girls who will catch your eye will often be middle / upper class and very Westernised.
- Traditional, intelligent, beautiful girls do exist. But they are usually not interested in foreigners. They want to stay close to their families, and they'd rather marry a high status local who comes from a similar place as they do and understands them in a way you never could as a foreigner.
- If you take a girl out of her natural environment, she'll adapt to the new environment. If you take a traditional girl out of wherever you found her and bring her to some decadent first world city, she'll be negatively influenced.

It's not impossible, but it's much harder than it sounds. From what I can see, we have a lot of guys in this forum who want to settle down and who also travel a lot. How come they're not finding wives? It's just hard. Most of the girls who fit the requirements marry early to someone in their social circles. When they don't, there's usually something wrong with them.

I think you'd have better luck looking for an American girl in Utah or something like that. If this is truly important to you and you're beginning to panic, you should start as soon as possible. Reevaluate whatever you're doing with your life and make it so you're living according to your goals.

That conservative/traditional/feminine American girl in Utah/Wyoming can be easily corrupted on a short trip to NYC, LA or Miami.

I would rather take a risk with a foreign girl than an American one

That's hilarious. You think women from Utah/Wyoming will easily be corrupted by a short trip to NYC, LA, or Miami but don't think finding a wife abroad and traveling with her or bringing her to the U.S. won't do the same?

Having grown up in a small town in the Rocky Mountains the idea that all conservative women here become sluts if they go to NYC (which almost none of them do) is ridiculous. Slut shaming exists here, and you can't sleep around in a small town without word getting out. The two sluts in our high school had to move to different cities and live with extended family members because everyone treated them like second-class citizens. By the time high school finishes all the sluts move to big cities and the good women stay local. Not to mention fathers and mothers have no problem slut shaming their own daughters as well. Nobody wants the community to know they raised a slut.

NYC is the mecca of sluts. Don't compare women in the rest of the U.S. to the women you've met in a city that draws from the worst of everywhere else. The good women stay around their family or live in a city like Cheyenne so they can visit their families often.

I lived in Asia for 5+ years, speak Chinese so had access to better women, and have traveled extensively in Europe. Everyone here has a hard on for foreign women as wives, but I just don't see it. Rural communities in the U.S. breed women that are just as good if not better wife material than metro cities anywhere else in the world imo. My large extended family has loads of stable marriages with women who cook, clean, behave like women should, and prioritize motherhood above all else.

The problem with Rooshv members finding wives is that the places the good women are, they don't want to go. And staying around those places for a few weeks or even a month or two isn't near long enough to convince a good woman that you are going to stay around for good and not just pump and dump.

I thought women were not allowed to post on rooshvforum?

Post: #46

@graft - to better understand your situation, how many new bangs have you gotten this year? (Not including bangs from international bang trips, if any)

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(12-18-2018 08:43 AM)tr1cky Wrote:  @graft - to better understand your situation, how many new bangs have you gotten this year? (Not including bangs from international bang trips, if any)

I've had six plates from 1-2 months. One was a 6.5 but the rest were 7-8.

I was a little slow last winter plus traveling in the summer but I put up 20-25 girls total. I can put up at least a girl a month but its been hotter recently usually 3-4.

I'm also getting dates/makeouts with 9s (with some of the toughest competition in the world) so I know I'm not far off from locking one down if I went abroad.

Post: #48

(12-18-2018 05:16 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  Some random thoughts:


3. If you want even a chance at successful family life: Find states with caps on child support. Nevada and Texas for example have caps that are reasonable. In contrast NY is horrible, absolutely horrible, on the divorce/child support front. Caps on child support = more leverage for you as sole-provider = less chance of family blowing up. Again, DO NOT get married. You gain little and put at risk a lot.

Most good girls like you describe won't settle for not getting married, simply because their families who they are close with wouldn't allow it. And it goes against the values that make her a good woman.

Post: #49

(12-14-2018 07:04 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

(12-14-2018 03:54 PM)Laner Wrote:  Part of me thinks you are insightful enough to feel the biological clock. In hindsight, I had one but I was good at ignoring it. I fucked up and had kids too late at 35. Some guys agree with me, others do not. But in my own life, I wish I had started a family at 30 instead of using those last 5 years to bang more pussy, do more partying, stave off responsibility.

Everyone is different, and if you feel you should be settling down, then do it. Put that plan into action. And I also agree 100% about finding a low notch 7 with a body that will age well and has a happy gene with loving parents. Going shopping in the 3rd world for a wife will not be a quick mission unless you are taking an illiterate orphan girl back with you.

Isn't that entirely dependent on if you find someone suitable to marry at that time?

I like your last paragraph, seems wise.

If my wife died tomorrow I would get my ass out of this leftist hellhole for a while and visit my family back on the ranchlands of the rockies. I would go back to my old church and spend some time with some of the old men who used to look out for us teenagers back in the day and tell them I need a wife and my son needs a mother.

Then I would humbly accept the offer of the women to come by and bring me some food, help out with something or another and let it slip that life without a woman to share it with is sad. And that my son wakes up asking about 'mommies'.

I would likely have a few prospects in a short amount of time, 3 months perhaps.

How do I know this? I could have married a girl some years ago when I was 21 and she was 18. Instead I went out to my liberal coastal city and banged through a stupid amount of liberal girls. I managed to find a good one, which luck certainly had a role. But I still have some deep regret. This Christian girl married a slightly older guy and has 4 amazing kids and herself she holds up and is a solid instagram 8.5 even at 36 (real life 7.5 but personality of a 10).

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(12-18-2018 08:27 AM)Day Game Bang Wrote:  

(12-18-2018 05:02 AM)Rawdog Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 10:22 PM)Day Game Bang Wrote:  

(12-17-2018 05:18 PM)Super Average Man Wrote:  This idea that you can easily find a suitable wife outside the US sounds absurd to anyone who's actually not living in the US. I live in South America and I can tell you it's not easy in here. 8+ in looks, high IQ, virgin / low notch count, feminine/conservative, under 21, will marry a guy in his 30s? A foreign guy at that? Good fucking luck, let me know when you find this unicorn because I want one too. Some things you should consider:

- Smartphones are everywhere.
- Feminism and modernity are everywhere.
- Finding a traditional girl in most of the world is looking for a needle in a haystack. It's not just the US, they're rare everywhere.
- Smart girls are typically from wealthy families. IQ correlates with wealth. Wealthy families in developing countries are typically "Westernised" and not traditional.
- The same applies, to some extent, to beautiful girls. Poor girls don't have as much access to nutrition, clothes, etc. The girls who will catch your eye will often be middle / upper class and very Westernised.
- Traditional, intelligent, beautiful girls do exist. But they are usually not interested in foreigners. They want to stay close to their families, and they'd rather marry a high status local who comes from a similar place as they do and understands them in a way you never could as a foreigner.
- If you take a girl out of her natural environment, she'll adapt to the new environment. If you take a traditional girl out of wherever you found her and bring her to some decadent first world city, she'll be negatively influenced.

It's not impossible, but it's much harder than it sounds. From what I can see, we have a lot of guys in this forum who want to settle down and who also travel a lot. How come they're not finding wives? It's just hard. Most of the girls who fit the requirements marry early to someone in their social circles. When they don't, there's usually something wrong with them.

I think you'd have better luck looking for an American girl in Utah or something like that. If this is truly important to you and you're beginning to panic, you should start as soon as possible. Reevaluate whatever you're doing with your life and make it so you're living according to your goals.

That conservative/traditional/feminine American girl in Utah/Wyoming can be easily corrupted on a short trip to NYC, LA or Miami.

I would rather take a risk with a foreign girl than an American one

That's hilarious. You think women from Utah/Wyoming will easily be corrupted by a short trip to NYC, LA, or Miami but don't think finding a wife abroad and traveling with her or bringing her to the U.S. won't do the same?

Having grown up in a small town in the Rocky Mountains the idea that all conservative women here become sluts if they go to NYC (which almost none of them do) is ridiculous. Slut shaming exists here, and you can't sleep around in a small town without word getting out. The two sluts in our high school had to move to different cities and live with extended family members because everyone treated them like second-class citizens. By the time high school finishes all the sluts move to big cities and the good women stay local. Not to mention fathers and mothers have no problem slut shaming their own daughters as well. Nobody wants the community to know they raised a slut.

NYC is the mecca of sluts. Don't compare women in the rest of the U.S. to the women you've met in a city that draws from the worst of everywhere else. The good women stay around their family or live in a city like Cheyenne so they can visit their families often.

I lived in Asia for 5+ years, speak Chinese so had access to better women, and have traveled extensively in Europe. Everyone here has a hard on for foreign women as wives, but I just don't see it. Rural communities in the U.S. breed women that are just as good if not better wife material than metro cities anywhere else in the world imo. My large extended family has loads of stable marriages with women who cook, clean, behave like women should, and prioritize motherhood above all else.

The problem with Rooshv members finding wives is that the places the good women are, they don't want to go. And staying around those places for a few weeks or even a month or two isn't near long enough to convince a good woman that you are going to stay around for good and not just pump and dump.

I thought women were not allowed to post on rooshvforum?

I'd wager ~30% of the women I went to high school with never left the state, and over half of the ones who have only went to nearby states in the Rocky Mountains... Seriously there are loads of women where I grew up that have never seen the ocean, including the wife of my high school best friend (who cooks, cleans, stays at home with the kids, and doesn't have the bitch level attitude that almost every girl on the coast has). And of those who have have traveled the majority only travel for a family trip or a trip with a boyfriend. Like I said, the sluts move to metro cities after high school and the good girls stay local.

You think every 20 year-old woman from nowhere Wyoming is going to book a trip to New York by herself? Come on guys, AWALT =/ all women from small towns raised in traditional families with little disposal income fly to metro cities as a sex tourist.

OP, why fly to some third-world shit hole to find a woman that is culturally dissimilar from you, isn't a fluent speaker of your language, and then risk that she gets corrupted anyways? Unless you plan on living with her there and learning her language, which is a hell of a price to pay for marriage, it just doesn't add up.

Don't think marriage is in the cards for me, but if so it would be a woman raised in my region that went to a local community college, has deep family roots in the community, and hasn't traveled much. Women raised in rural/small towns where a reputation matters and can't be erased, especially when they choose to stay and live there are magnitudes more likely to be suitable wives than a woman in any metro city in the world.

This isn't me saying that 100% of these women are NAWALT virgin princesses, this is me saying that from a probability perspective this seems as good if not a better bet than anything else if you're going the wife route which is what OP has expressed to want.