Post: #1

Considering all the makeup and cosmetic products, filters and everything else women use today to make themselves attractive, you would maybe think that women would not care so much if a guy portrayed himself as little more attractive in some kind of way. But that doesn't seem to be the case, women almost seem to despise these men more than anything else.

Do you agree and why do you think that is?
How would you explain this behaviour then and just this absurd rage women have on men that just try to portray themselves a bit more attractive?

I'm mostly interested in if you guys believe there's an evolutionary reason to this?





I can also give a few examples myself:

1 One girl I am currently dating has admitted to me that she's very rude to most men. At nightclubs she has often just told guys to fuck off if she has sensed any weakness in them in some kind of way when they've walked up to hit on her and told them things like she doesn't date small boys.
She has told me a couple of times how much she hated when weak men were trying to hit on her and just felt disgusted.

Thing is, I noticed this too a lot in the beginning with other women. They would be very polite at first until I got a little insecure and they could become hostile even though we could have had a friendly and flirty chat for half an hour.

2 Women's hate on manspreading in public places. Rollo Tomassi made this point how manspreading is just bullshit since women take up more place in public with their handbags and this:

"The answer is simple; women despise men they perceive as Beta displaying themselves in Alpha body language. Manspreading is uniquely male. Women’s subconscious perceive this as men displaying sexual opportunity, but women’s hindbrain filter for Hypergamy."

He means it's a bit of an alpha pose and if we look at this video who went viral with women pouring water on men who were manspreading in public, most of them didn't look that scary or "alpha".

3 The reality show Joe Millionaire had a spin off in my country as well back in the early 2000s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Millionaire#Premise

Basically, they fooled some women into believing that they were competing for this super rich guy driving Lambos, when in fact he was just a regular Joe working in a taco factory. He did a few classic "fuckboy things" like organizing a make out competition between them and stuff like that but they all praised him.

But even as a kid, I remember just the astounding amount of rage towards him when they revealed the truth about him, even though he was forced by the producers to lie about his wealth.

4 From own experience in nightclub environment, I've had girls that first seemed very into me as I looked very cocky and probably a bit of a badboy vibe. They were flirting and giving and very friendly.
Then I just happened to get rejected by some girl in there and then all the previous girl (who had given me great response earlier) would act hostile and very cold and I would have zero luck there after that.

Same shit when some girls have realized inside clubs that the table with bottle service we were sitting at wasn't actually my own.

5 I know women who have told me about guys who have lied about their height with an inch or two on their online dating profile and the girls have talked about these guys as they were the biggest scums on earth and have less right to live than rapists.

Post: #2

This is why inner game is of utmost importance, any game you play must come from your core, and any self-work you do must target your core. There's nothing attractive about being a poser. Inner alpha > outer alpha.

Why anyone would lie about their height in a dating profile is utterly beyond me. If the woman is going to meet the man eventually, why piss her off by lying about something he can't hide from the get go? While women don't necessarily want to know everything about what they're dealing with from the get-go (they usually like a certain amount of mystery), they also sure don't want to discover that who they're with is disingenuous or less alpha than he's pretending to be.

In my experience, integrity between one's core and one's external presentation is highly attractive to women (and lack of such integrity is easily perceived), and it's the only sustainable way to play the game.

Post: #3

(12-08-2018 08:38 PM)SabaiSamurai Wrote:  This is why inner game is of utmost importance and any self-work you do must come from your core. There's nothing attractive about being a poser.

True, but the question is more why we as men tend to give women as pass for this when they use make up, fake tits and inject their lips meanwhile women absolutely despise and can show some tremendous amount of rage towards a guy who has posed a 1/10 of what the woman has?

Post: #4

Women have evolved to feel disgust for male weakness. To them beta male sperm might as well be toxic. It's why they have no empathy for men.

If you're not an alpha male, women would not only not mind it, but they'd cherish seeing you die a terrible death.

Post: #5

(12-08-2018 09:35 PM)Barney Wrote:  Women have evolved to feel disgust for male weakness. To them beta male sperm might as well be toxic. It's why they have no empathy for men.

If you're not an alpha male, women would not only not mind it, but they'd cherish seeing you die a terrible death.

Funny how the internet is full of these one sided beliefs.

Yea, all women seek an alpha - lmfao.

I know plenty of women who are perfectly content with guys that are just confident/funny and pleasing to be around, with looks being at the bottom of their list. These aren't women that spent their entire 20s getting pumped and dumped, these are normal, healthy women with solid careers.

Post: #6

(12-08-2018 10:18 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  Funny how the internet is full of these one sided beliefs.

Yea, all women seek an alpha - lmfao.

I know plenty of women who are perfectly content with guys that are just confident/funny and pleasing to be around, with looks being at the bottom of their list. These aren't women that spent their entire 20s getting pumped and dumped, these are normal, healthy women with solid careers.

Just because they're content doesn't meant they don't like the alpha type...As i explained no guy HAS to be a chad to get women even high quality women but "chads" have no problem getting women.

I've noticed this forum has fallen to a discussion over "alpha" this or "chad" that. The most important thing is to be the best man you can be. If you can't be the best MAN you can be, then be the best version of yourself you can be. Women will follow.

Trust me when I say that women only let you know as much as they WANT you to know. Those women who claim haven't been pumped and dumped most likely have indeed been pumped and dumped. Women like causal sex too.

Post: #7

(12-08-2018 11:47 PM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 10:18 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  Funny how the internet is full of these one sided beliefs.

Yea, all women seek an alpha - lmfao.

I know plenty of women who are perfectly content with guys that are just confident/funny and pleasing to be around, with looks being at the bottom of their list. These aren't women that spent their entire 20s getting pumped and dumped, these are normal, healthy women with solid careers.

Just because they're content doesn't meant they don't like the alpha type...As i explained no guy HAS to be a chad to get women even high quality women but "chads" have no problem getting women.

I've noticed this forum has fallen to a discussion over "alpha" this or "chad" that. The most important thing is to be the best man you can be. If you can't be the best MAN you can be, then be the best version of yourself you can be. Women will follow.

Trust me when I say that women only let you know as much as they WANT you to know. Those women who claim haven't been pumped and dumped most likely have indeed been pumped and dumped. Women like causal sex too.

Who cares? It almost sounds like you're one of those MGTOW guys who are justifying their own failures by saying deep down, women aren't capable of giving themselves fully to a normal guy, and secretly fantasize about having sex with alphas. Women are not binary creatures, they experience the full spectrum of emotions/attractions that we do. Some women are attracted to alphas, some aren't.

The women I know personally could easily secure commitment from an alpha, but they choose not to. These are intelligent 9s (pharmacy, doctorate, phd, etc) that I'm talking about.

Post: #8

(12-08-2018 08:26 PM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  Considering all the makeup and cosmetic products, filters and everything else women use today to make themselves attractive, you would maybe think that women would not care so much if a guy portrayed himself as little more attractive in some kind of way. But that doesn't seem to be the case, women almost seem to despise these men more than anything else.

Do you agree and why do you think that is?
How would you explain this behaviour then and just this absurd rage women have on men that just try to portray themselves a bit more attractive?

The simple reason is because they can. Women get rewarded for their "lookmaxing". A 4 can turn into a 9 or even a 10 with enough make up, implants/push up clothing, filters or general hard work. That 4 will go on and trick a guy into committing or atleast getting sex. If that guy calls her out on it then she has countless women and countless white knights backing her up and supporting her. While at the same time shaming the man.

Evolutionary wise I believe it's due to selection. A man might want to make sure his genes are passed to a quality woman BUT his primary goal is simply to mate. Women need to choose the best candidate. A fake "alpha" is indeed a fake alpha. He might be a great guy, he might even have great luck at getting women but the fakeness means he's covering up for something. Would you buy a house without making sure everything is up to quality? Yeah, it might be 4000 sqft but if the floors creak and the walls are plastic is that a smart decision?

Post: #9

(12-08-2018 11:56 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  Who cares? It almost sounds like you're one of those MGTOW guys who are justifying their own failures by saying deep down, women aren't capable of giving themselves fully to a normal guy, and secretly fantasize about having sex with alphas. Women are not binary creatures, they experience the full spectrum of emotions/attractions that we do. Some women are attracted to alphas, some aren't.

The women I know personally could easily secure commitment from an alpha, but they choose not to. These are intelligent 9s (pharmacy, doctorate, phd, etc) that I'm talking about.

Whoa calm down there. (This isn't an insult) but you remind me of the "adam ruins alpha males" video. You have this concept of alphas all wrong. You can be funny/confident/nerdy/quiet/ etc etc and still be alpha. Actually, I hate the term alpha whereas I like the term High Value Male.

I'm telling people to become the best version of themselves because one quality EVERYBODY relates to alpha is confident and self-reliant. Mostly the qualities that make a leader. No woman wants a weak man.

Post: #10

Have you guys not seen how women react when around an alpha? I'm talking women of all races, personalities, and ages, and IQs. Even 50-somethings start acting like giggly 20 year olds when around them. And all are willing to dump their husbands or boyfriends to be with them. They have this deep animalistic urge to fuck them.

Post: #11

Quote:Why do women rage on and hate fake alphas so much?

Getting pregnant is serious business and she wants only the highest quality seed she is able to obtain. Or at the very least does not want inferior seed. It is bad for the species and a bad investment overall.

Filtering out high quality guys from low quality guys can be very difficult. When guys be improving their attractiveness artificial she risks being fooled and risk getting impregnated by inferior seed.

If she gets fooled she ends up walking around with an undesirable parasite inside of her for many months.

For us guys it does not matter if a girl is artifically inflating her worth. Sex (and babies) costs us nothing except for a few minutes of time.

All this is biological and on the unconscious level. We are animals after all.

Quote:True, but the question is more why we as men tend to give women as pass for this when they use make up, fake tits and inject their lips meanwhile women absolutely despise and can show some tremendous amount of rage towards a guy who has posed a 1/10 of what the woman has?

Is a girl fools us into believing she is more attractive than she really is, we loose a few minutes of time. If we fool her, she risks loosing 9 months of her life and potential dead (childbirth can go wrong).

Quote:If you're not an alpha male

The Alpha/Beta thing is a spectrum. No such thing as an "alpha male". Only "alpha qualities".

Quote:Some women are attracted to alphas, some aren't.

All woman are attracted to guys with Alpha qualities. No woman ever has been attracted to Beta qualities.

Quote:The women I know personally could easily secure commitment from an alpha, but they choose not to.

Either your idea of Alpha is wrong or you are overestimating the ability of woman to secure a guy with strong Alpha qualities. No woman will choose a Beta if she can secure an Alpha.

Do not confuse Alpha for Chad. Chad is Alpha in same way an apple is a fruit. There are many types of fruit.