Post: #1

As promised, this is part 2 of the series. As I was writing part 2, I noticed that there was a lot of things I wanted to share but due to the demand of having pt.2 to be more practical advice, I'm going to make part 2 a bit more practical in theory like a how-to. If you missed part 1, go Here.

1. If you’re looking to increase your results, get better pictures for online game

If you’re serious about increasing your results, you have to get yourself set up online. I’ll even go a step further and say that online game is the future of how men and women will meet, statistically speaking. More women and men are depending on dating apps to meet people so get with the fucking times.

The best dating apps to get yourself on right now are the following Tinder, Bumble, OkCupid, Seeking Arrangements, Instagram (not a dating app but by the number of lays I’ve gotten off it, it might as well be). If you’re on seeking arrangements, it’s best to have a decent place and not live with your parents.

If you don’t have any good photos ask your friends to have picture days to get quality photos for your online profiles. Dress sharp (blazer, nice jeans, and clean shaven) and/or whatever style you think fits you best. Don’t dress like a high school kid and dress to improve. My best pictures have been when I was dressed up like a boss. This is also key if you’re on SA.

I'm on SA and posing as a bullshit sugar daddy and I’m not bad looking. I don't pay for sex and in my opinion, you're a loser if you do. Sorry, but you should be ashamed if you are. Contrary to popular belief some girls will fuck you without asking for PPM or whatever. After speaking to some of these girls they're on the same page as me. Losers pay, players play.

I recommended these articles for fashion tips

https://www.articlesofstyle.com/articles...ear-pieces

https://www.articlesofstyle.com/articles...essentials

2. Spend as much time as possible in the first interaction with the girl

I heavily recommend this if you want to solidify a date or pull. From my data, the more time you spend in the first interaction with the girl, the more likely she is to come home with you or on a date. Shorter sets aren’t recommended in my opinion (I know gurus say otherwise). Stay in the interaction for a long as possible and try to shoot for insta-dates if the interaction is long.

You either want to push for a pull, instant date or a solid number. If she’s talking to you for a long period of time, just ask what she’s up to. If it’s something soft like “Oh, I’m just [shop/meeting a friend/and etc]” or whatever just tell her “Boring. You have all the time in the world to [shop/meeting a friend/and etc]. I wanna continue talking to you. Let’s grab quick drinks. The first round of water is on me (yes, you can steal my line).” If she’s into you, she’ll agree.

3. Always set up the date during the interaction

This lesson actually goes beyond just setting up a date but in business as well. Especially in sales. You never want the next steps to be ambiguous and vague. Near the end of the interaction, you should always ask the girl when she’s free “THIS” (not next), THIS week. The further away from the date the higher the chance of the flake. And when you do get a number, don’t end the interaction there. Continue with it for a bit, if anything, try to go for an Insta-date if she’s still there talking to you. Suggest it like 3 minutes after you get her number.

At the end of most of your interactions, there should be a clear next step aka fully detailed date set up. Doesn't matter if you feel it was solid or not, there should be a date set up for most of the numbers you get. When you're working volume, you'll noticed the power of the numbers game.

3.5. Set up the second date during the first date

This can easily be combined with the above lesson. Seriously, guys, this is so crucial in getting repeat offenders on your rotation. All you have to say is the following during the first meet (usually want to do this before sex) but say “You know what... (long pause/build tension)... I honestly think you’re really cool. I want to hang out with you again.” She’s going to agree and probably have a big smile on her face. That’s when you set up the second date. Coordinate right then and there (the details)

You want to secure the second date for a few important reasons. First, she’ll think you want to see her again because you actually like her and not for the sex (which is why I said to say this well before sex). Second, you’ll get a lot less resistance when it comes to sex. Most of the time women won’t have sex with you the first night because they think you’ll never want to see them again. The statement is a pre-emptive strike to that hurdle.

Probably going to make a few more of these as they come to me. Hope this is practical enough.

Post: #2

Awesome post. Im interested in hearing more opinions on 3.5. Honestly, just never thought to do it.

Post: #3

8 years might seem like a lot but many of us have been doing it double and still learning

Post: #4

(11-18-2018 10:23 PM)Axel99 Wrote:  8 years might seem like a lot but many of us have been doing it double and still learning

I don't get what your point is? That's like you making a thread about making 500k a year and dropping FREE knowledge for others WHO AREN'T making that type of money and me coming in and saying 500k may seem like a lot but many of us have been making it double and still learning.

Seriously, pointless and a waste of time. I'll spell it out for you, this thread is for anyone seeking truth and I'm sharing what I've learned so far. If you get something from it, good. If not, good.

Post: #5

(11-18-2018 05:37 PM)MarsBlacc Wrote:  3.5. Set up the second date during the first date

This can easily be combined with the above lesson. Seriously, guys, this is so crucial in getting repeat offenders on your rotation. All you have to say is the following during the first meet (usually want to do this before sex) but say “You know what... (long pause/build tension)... I honestly think you’re really cool. I want to hang out with you again.” She’s going to agree and probably have a big smile on her face. That’s when you set up the second date. Coordinate right then and there (the details)

You want to secure the second date for a few important reasons. First, she’ll think you want to see her again because you actually like her and not for the sex (which is why I said to say this well before sex). Second, you’ll get a lot less resistance when it comes to sex. Most of the time women won’t have sex with you the first night because they think you’ll never want to see them again. The statement is a pre-emptive strike to that hurdle.

Probably going to make a few more of these as they come to me. Hope this is practical enough.

Interesting. My experience has been the complete opposite. If I try to set up a second date or make it extremely clear that I want to see her again, it essentially signals an end to the first date (meaning no sex will be happening that night), and also makes me seem overeager. I've never had it work.

What I usually do is during the conversation, when we get into discussion about specific places/experiences, I'll make references to potential future dates. Ie: "Oh, you've never been to xyz lounge, we should go sometime, you'd enjoy it they make a great mojito *smirk*. In a half-serious tone. It creates a bit of comfort, but also keeps some of the mystery.

Post: #6

(11-19-2018 01:00 AM)RDF Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 05:37 PM)MarsBlacc Wrote:  3.5. Set up the second date during the first date

This can easily be combined with the above lesson. Seriously, guys, this is so crucial in getting repeat offenders on your rotation. All you have to say is the following during the first meet (usually want to do this before sex) but say “You know what... (long pause/build tension)... I honestly think you’re really cool. I want to hang out with you again.” She’s going to agree and probably have a big smile on her face. That’s when you set up the second date. Coordinate right then and there (the details)

You want to secure the second date for a few important reasons. First, she’ll think you want to see her again because you actually like her and not for the sex (which is why I said to say this well before sex). Second, you’ll get a lot less resistance when it comes to sex. Most of the time women won’t have sex with you the first night because they think you’ll never want to see them again. The statement is a pre-emptive strike to that hurdle.

Probably going to make a few more of these as they come to me. Hope this is practical enough.

Interesting. My experience has been the complete opposite. If I try to set up a second date or make it extremely clear that I want to see her again, it essentially signals an end to the first date (meaning no sex will be happening that night), and also makes me seem overeager. I've never had it work.

What I usually do is during the conversation, when we get into discussion about specific places/experiences, I'll make references to potential future dates. Ie: "Oh, you've never been to xyz lounge, we should go sometime, you'd enjoy it they make a great mojito *smirk*. In a half-serious tone. It creates a bit of comfort, but also keeps some of the mystery.

Oh, you're probably signaling the end of the date then. Don't overememphize it. When I say it, I say it as like it was apart of the conversation, if that makes sense. It's like you're chatting with your buddy to go grab wings with you. It's like it's not a big deal but there's a set plan.

Post: #7

(11-19-2018 01:00 AM)MarsBlacc Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 10:23 PM)Axel99 Wrote:  8 years might seem like a lot but many of us have been doing it double and still learning

I don't get what your point is? That's like you making a thread about making 500k a year and dropping FREE knowledge for others WHO AREN'T making that type of money and me coming in and saying 500k may seem like a lot but many of us have been making it double and still learning.

Seriously, pointless and a waste of time. I'll spell it out for you, this thread is for anyone seeking truth and I'm sharing what I've learned so far. If you get something from it, good. If not, good.

Keep sharing you knowledge man, your doing a good job and helping out the newer guys and some of us 30yr old boomers.

Post: #8

Great post, but with all due respect, scheduling a second date on the first date screams thirst. Also, it doesn't weed out the maybe or no girls. Even if she doesn't like you, and has no desire to see you again, she's going to disingenuously agree to a second date if you press the issue on date one. It's never been a successful ploy for me. I tried it back when I was getting lots of flakes for second dates. No dice.

Post: #9

(11-19-2018 01:00 AM)RDF Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 05:37 PM)MarsBlacc Wrote:  3.5. Set up the second date during the first date

This can easily be combined with the above lesson. Seriously, guys, this is so crucial in getting repeat offenders on your rotation. All you have to say is the following during the first meet (usually want to do this before sex) but say “You know what... (long pause/build tension)... I honestly think you’re really cool. I want to hang out with you again.” She’s going to agree and probably have a big smile on her face. That’s when you set up the second date. Coordinate right then and there (the details)

You want to secure the second date for a few important reasons. First, she’ll think you want to see her again because you actually like her and not for the sex (which is why I said to say this well before sex). Second, you’ll get a lot less resistance when it comes to sex. Most of the time women won’t have sex with you the first night because they think you’ll never want to see them again. The statement is a pre-emptive strike to that hurdle.

Probably going to make a few more of these as they come to me. Hope this is practical enough.

Interesting. My experience has been the complete opposite. If I try to set up a second date or make it extremely clear that I want to see her again, it essentially signals an end to the first date (meaning no sex will be happening that night), and also makes me seem overeager. I've never had it work.

What I usually do is during the conversation, when we get into discussion about specific places/experiences, I'll make references to potential future dates. Ie: "Oh, you've never been to xyz lounge, we should go sometime, you'd enjoy it they make a great mojito *smirk*. In a half-serious tone. It creates a bit of comfort, but also keeps some of the mystery.

Yes, I also strongly disagree with this 3.5.

More organic and less formal is my style. I can't complain about it.

When I have a project meeting I set up a second meeting, write down the plan of action...

With women I let things happen naturally. And they happen indeed. They like guys who approach dating in a relaxed manner, not like a co-worker

Post: #10

(11-19-2018 01:23 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  Great post, but with all due respect, scheduling a second date on the first date screams thirst. Also, it doesn't weed out the maybe or no girls. Even if she doesn't like you, and has no desire to see you again, she's going to disingenuously agree to a second date if you press the issue on date one. It's never been a successful ploy for me. I tried it back when I was getting lots of flakes for second dates. No dice.

Well, it seems thirst to a guy which is irrelevant because I'm going by data here. I let the data speak for itself. And what are you talking about it doesn't weed out the no and maybe girls? You're on a date. If you're on a date with no girls, you need to learn how to screen better, no offense. And pressing the issue? “You know what... (long pause/build tension)... I honestly think you’re really cool. I want to hang out with you again.” What's so pressing about that? Confused.

If you're having an awesome date and there's chemistry. She will love to see you again. If you can't tell if there's real chemistry during the first date then there's a lot you need to work on. It's as clear as night and day if she's genuinely interested in hanging out again.

And yeah, you were trying it when you were getting a lot of flakes. Maybe your game wasn't as tight as it is now to pull it off.

Post: #11

(11-19-2018 02:04 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

(11-19-2018 01:00 AM)RDF Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 05:37 PM)MarsBlacc Wrote:  3.5. Set up the second date during the first date

This can easily be combined with the above lesson. Seriously, guys, this is so crucial in getting repeat offenders on your rotation. All you have to say is the following during the first meet (usually want to do this before sex) but say “You know what... (long pause/build tension)... I honestly think you’re really cool. I want to hang out with you again.” She’s going to agree and probably have a big smile on her face. That’s when you set up the second date. Coordinate right then and there (the details)

You want to secure the second date for a few important reasons. First, she’ll think you want to see her again because you actually like her and not for the sex (which is why I said to say this well before sex). Second, you’ll get a lot less resistance when it comes to sex. Most of the time women won’t have sex with you the first night because they think you’ll never want to see them again. The statement is a pre-emptive strike to that hurdle.

Probably going to make a few more of these as they come to me. Hope this is practical enough.

Interesting. My experience has been the complete opposite. If I try to set up a second date or make it extremely clear that I want to see her again, it essentially signals an end to the first date (meaning no sex will be happening that night), and also makes me seem overeager. I've never had it work.

What I usually do is during the conversation, when we get into discussion about specific places/experiences, I'll make references to potential future dates. Ie: "Oh, you've never been to xyz lounge, we should go sometime, you'd enjoy it they make a great mojito *smirk*. In a half-serious tone. It creates a bit of comfort, but also keeps some of the mystery.

Yes, I also strongly disagree with this 3.5.

More organic and less formal is my style. I can't complain about it.

When I have a project meeting I set up a second meeting, write down the plan of action...

With women I let things happen naturally. And they happen indeed. They like guys who approach dating in a relaxed manner, not like a co-worker

You honestly think when I'm scheduling these dates I'm scheduling them like a board meeting?

You're reading into the wording way too literally which is fine. It's kinda funny. Love it though.

Post: #12

(11-19-2018 02:33 AM)MarsBlacc Wrote:  

(11-19-2018 01:23 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  Great post, but with all due respect, scheduling a second date on the first date screams thirst. Also, it doesn't weed out the maybe or no girls. Even if she doesn't like you, and has no desire to see you again, she's going to disingenuously agree to a second date if you press the issue on date one. It's never been a successful ploy for me. I tried it back when I was getting lots of flakes for second dates. No dice.

Well, it seems thirst to a guy which is irrelevant because I'm going by data here. I let the data speak for itself.

Can you clarify what you mean by data? Were you tracking every time you seeded a second date with a girl, then tracking the close rate?

If so, would you mind sharing the raw data?

Post: #13

I think one of the reasons for the variance in opinion on rule 3.5 is the advent of dating apps.

I always went by the rules.. 'wait for 3-10 days to call her, don't telegraph the next date on the first date because lots of men were making that mistake etc.'

And for a long time it worked. These days I am between countries and cities all the time, life is more nomadic and a girl I worked with just told me that she met her boyfriend on Tinder 'but it turned out he was in a totally different country all the time that we matched and spoke'.
The traffic is higher, the stimuli are coming thicker and faster so I can see things like rule 3.5 being an adaptation to a far less staid, less slow-paced environment.

The girl who told me in 2006 (before even facebook) that I stood out from the others because "I just couldn't predict what you would do next.. or even if you were going contact me again" probably would be fucking Mr Pipeline McPipeline Thunder-Chad and totally forgotten about me in the current year.

There are arguments for both approaches.

I think OP's advice is more apposite for NOW and the way things are headed - when people are on the move so much and girls are swamped with stimuli off so many apps.

Can see how both strategies would work though.

Post: #14

Wait! Wait!

You are into the Game for 8 years. You use the word "hustle". And the first suggestion you make it to get better pictures for online dating profile?

And then the second suggestion is to spend as much time as possible with girl in first interaction?

Post: #15

Welcome to RVF but this post belongs in the newbie forum.

I disagree with #1 (and yes I have pro pics) and while it will increase your probability of getting laid, it's only on those domains. Most of the women I met over the last 6 months did not have Tinder profiles simply because they ended up finding it tiring.

#2 is on point, I would suggest bouncing her around from one venue to another as it has the same effect and there's less ennui in the date.

#3 and #3.5 is good advice.

I will plant seeds for future dates but not outright try and schedule a date which is pretty much what you clarified later on. To me it's self-explanatory but essentially:

- digging into what she likes, what I like and figuring out what we like.
- what do I do that she doesn't and is interested in?
- what do I want to try out that I think would be a good fit?
- is she active/socialite/outgoing/introverted etc.
- drop hints and seeds about doing this shit together when I am building a bubble of 'us'; I assume we will do this shit together

You don't seek for confirmation on the date, it's just a flirty vibe of we could do this and build upon it with roleplaying etc.

Then you hit her up post-date and flirt, get her back in to that mindset and then come back to that hint and say you're doing xyz and she should join.

That used to be my MO and it worked but hey, if she's into you, anything works.

Post: #16

I have to be honest Mars #1 is recycled, and has been a given for a very long time on the forum, of course pro photos are a given. Goes hand in hand with fashion sense.

#2 works if it's an approach, she hooks and then go for the instadate, but you're mixing #2 & #3 with #1 which is online dating.

#3 is good for when you pull a girls number off online and you find our her schedule this week and pull the trigger.
Noir is right, planting seeds and gauging her interest, building upon her interest, then pulling the trigger on logistics a day or two later.

#3.5 is a double edged sword, a girl can see it as "moving too fast" see thirst or get weirded out BUT this could weed out girls aren't "really" interested in you. My favorite strategy is having her qualify herself throughout the date and then towards the end tell her she's probably racked up enough points for a second date, make it teasingly vague, you don't need to give exactly details about the next date, but obviously shows you're interested.

You mentioned you've got data, would be interesting to see the stats and what you've accomplished.

Post: #17

This guy's "veteran" knowledge makes hank moody look like WIA.

1. Alright.

2. No. This is terrible one-size-fits-all advice. You should only spend as much time as you want. If you're not enjoying the interaction, eject. If logistics are trash for a bang, eject and redo leave her wanting more. Once you hook you're good, spending more time could diffuse sexual tension and/or remove your mystery. You want to arrange a date in which you control the environment and frame. You rarely have that luxery on first interactions

3. No again. You can, sure. Always? I would say definitely not. If you're a busy high value guy with stuff to do you might not even have time for all that shit. Plus there's always the type of women (ones into spontuinity and ONSs) that appreciate last minute shit. Also if youre out and about and invite a girl out it shows a nice low preassure spontantious event to meet you, you can be aloof, shows her you're busy and will enjoy yourself with or without her. High value women will tend to take that bait more often than any kind of date planning. "I'm at X drinking Y gonna bounce to Z soon, come join me there's this A doing C it's hilarious".

3.5. Only a good idea if she's super into you quickly. Otherwise you seem too eager, thirsty etc. You want to make her hamster game her for you. You want her wondering "will he take me out again, does he like me, I should say hello".

I've read your past 2 threads. Forgive me for making assumptions but it seems to me you're either gifted in the looks department and/or dating 2-3 points below your league - for the amount of success you claim. Your game advice isn't quite up to par to be making these kinds of threads and I suggest you read more and try new more risky stuff.

Post: #18

Why did OP get banned? I've heard of his name from Toronto PUA circles. Chubby black guy.