Post: #1

I've recently refined my game to where I am getting alot more numbers and more dates/notches. Yet what I keep finding is it is always on me to set up a date. In the situations where girls flake they always offer another date and show up but,

How do I transition from gaming girls to pick up numbers and secure dates to where girls are texting me first and trying to set something up?

More or less what are some tips or general recommendations to where after a first date to improve her intrest?

I know this could be due to many factors. I am playing around in the 7-8 range with mid 20's girls in a large city.

On this forum people have said to produce scarcity, to increase value, and up attraction.

I have pretty much done all the basics offered by people, probably not to the fullest, but the 2/3rd rule, being aloof, keeping some mystery to me, ect.. This stuff has really helped immensely and it works, I am just trying to figure out how to "up" this to where I am doing less work and getting stronger attraction.

Post: #2

Quote:How do I transition from gaming girls to pick up numbers and secure dates to where girls are texting me first and trying to set something up?

Not going to happen. There might be few exceptions. Be realistic.


If you have a reputation, within some social circles, that you are the go to guy for some discrete crazy adventure sex, girls might (more or less) approach you. You still have to put work into it. And it all depends on situation.

At the end approaching and taking initiative in all the steps gives you the best result.

Post: #3

I think there are a few ways you can get to that:

1) The best would be status. Guys like Biebler, Depp, Pitt or whoever they shovel out these day have women thrown at them because of their fame. If they didn't have that they'd probably all have trouble securing an 8 for an LTR. On the local level you'll have local footballers, DJs and charismatic entrepreneurs.

2) Next-level game, i.e. Ross Jefferies type stuff. The rare ability to make women melt with your words, knowing from lots of experience what might be the bes thing to do with a girl based on what she's told you, her body language etc.

I think both of the above are real < 0.01% games. They work because those guys are so rare and thus highly desirable.

3) Visibly muscular. IMO women are more drawn to men who are well built than very attractive. I've received more IOIs when I was visibly muscular and I think the knowledge you're in the top 1% or so of guys in the body department as well as the changes in body chemistry also changes the way you hold yourself, which draws even more interest. I've only ever turned heads in this period of being visibly muscular.

About 1% of guys are genuinely muscular, so it's quite rare, but not so rare as to have women throwing themselves at you for that along, except for maybe a few drunk 5s or 6s.

I think white women in the West give men a -2 based on appearances from cold approaches. Muscle can probably change that to -1 or 0, depending on the girl.

4) Knowing your niche. For me I have two niches, one of them is intellectual-type girls. The + with that is this is a niche where the women think there is a low supply of worthwhile guys, but it's still pretty poor. I can't do thots or small talk girls in general.

But in my opinion the best way to get good interest in the West (if you are white) is to focus on non-white girls, specifically black. I've found they are generally receptive around my SMV, but with white women it's very difficult to get interest from cold.

The first guy I spoke with from RVF, suggested he was a fairly average guy, his game was going to University events and regularly seeing who is popping up on online dating, with his main target being women from foreign countries, particularly Asia. Just as that was what was most fruitful. That was supplemented by trips to the sorts of countries they came from. If he was just looking at natives maybe he'd have to go through 50 attempts.

For me the only way I can get girls obsessed is getting on a plane. I will look for a filler before I leave in January, but I'll essentially only be looking for blacks, as I don't have time to waste.

Post: #4

(10-17-2018 02:00 PM)gework Wrote:  I think there are a few ways you can get to that:

1) The best would be status. Guys like Biebler, Depp, Pitt or whoever they shovel out these day have women thrown at them because of their fame. If they didn't have that they'd probably all have trouble securing an 8 for an LTR. On the local level you'll have local footballers, DJs and charismatic entrepreneurs.

2) Next-level game, i.e. Ross Jefferies type stuff. The rare ability to make women melt with your words, knowing from lots of experience what might be the bes thing to do with a girl based on what she's told you, her body language etc.

I think both of the above are real < 0.01% games. They work because those guys are so rare and thus highly desirable.

3) Visibly muscular. IMO women are more drawn to men who are well built than very attractive. I've received more IOIs when I was visibly muscular and I think the knowledge you're in the top 1% or so of guys in the body department as well as the changes in body chemistry also changes the way you hold yourself, which draws even more interest. I've only ever turned heads in this period of being visibly muscular.

About 1% of guys are genuinely muscular, so it's quite rare, but not so rare as to have women throwing themselves at you for that along, except for maybe a few drunk 5s or 6s.

I think white women in the West give men a -2 based on appearances from cold approaches. Muscle can probably change that to -1 or 0, depending on the girl.

4) Knowing your niche. For me I have two niches, one of them is intellectual-type girls. The + with that is this is a niche where the women think there is a low supply of worthwhile guys, but it's still pretty poor. I can't do thots or small talk girls in general.

But in my opinion the best way to get good interest in the West (if you are white) is to focus on non-white girls, specifically black. I've found they are generally receptive around my SMV, but with white women it's very difficult to get interest from cold.

The first guy I spoke with from RVF, suggested he was a fairly average guy, his game was going to University events and regularly seeing who is popping up on online dating, with his main target being women from foreign countries, particularly Asia. Just as that was what was most fruitful. That was supplemented by trips to the sorts of countries they came from. If he was just looking at natives maybe he'd have to go through 50 attempts.

For me the only way I can get girls obsessed is getting on a plane. I will look for a filler before I leave in January, but I'll essentially only be looking for blacks, as I don't have time to waste.

Very solid advice man. I just keep hearing how guys on this forum dont need to text there plates that their phone is just getting lit up.

Moving forward I think I have to up-play my value.

Post: #5

In nature, men are the risk takers so this means it is always going to be up to you to set up dates. Not the other around.

Post: #6

I'd also say it depends on where you expect this. In Latin America it was not unusual to have a girl texting me first and setting up something as compared to Western Europe. And no they were not 5's or 6's. But then again as someone else said, you have to know your niche and there in Latin America many women like white guys with blue eyes.

Post: #7

(10-17-2018 02:00 PM)gework Wrote:  I think there are a few ways you can get to that:

2) Next-level game, i.e. Ross Jefferies type stuff. The rare ability to make women melt with your words, knowing from lots of experience what might be the bes thing to do with a girl based on what she's told you, her body language etc.

This is a wrong idea for you americans in this time of #metoo and false rape allegations.
This will trigger a tremendous buyer remorse and come slap you back in the face at hypergamous speed

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Women would leave Michael Fine's office with foggy memories after consultations
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Post: #8

(10-17-2018 08:47 AM)Funkbus40 Wrote:  How do I transition from gaming girls to pick up numbers and secure dates to where girls are texting me first and trying to set something up?

More or less what are some tips or general recommendations to where after a first date to improve her intrest?

I know this could be due to many factors. I am playing around in the 7-8 range with mid 20's girls in a large city.

Adding my 2cents:
Girls texting first - only if you have way higher SMV (=probably not HB7). No offense, but you are probably not the equivalent of HB9. Also - 25YO girl = Top SMV potential = Mulitple options = Flaking.
Good strategy - InstaDate. If you can transition the number close to kiss-close or makeout-close - this will probably reduce flaking.

First date general recommendation - Be interesting, show value (e.g. ability to help her in some way), kiss and make-out (I assume banging may be difficult).

It's a grind. Keep your head up, and sometimes even ask.