Post: #201

And....another #Cabal connection: https://www.barnhardt.biz/2018/08/31/is-...s-hell-is/



Is Antipope Bergoglio a Sodomite? I Dunno, But His Child-Pimping Boyfriend Sure As Hell Is.

Quote:With regards to Bergoglio himself, yeah, he’s not only a faggot, but one of his number one boyfriends from Buenos Aires is a notorious CHILD PROSTITUTE PIMP.

My information is that Antipope Bergoglio’s sodomite boyfriend, GUSTAVO VERA, heads up an NGO in Argentina called “La Alameda”, which does some LGBT advocacy, militant feminist crap, but primarily focuses on child labor, specifically in the garment industry and in child sex trafficking. GUSTAVO VERA also drifts in and out of official government positions, as so many people in NGOs do.

Now wait, you might say. This Gustavo Vera works AGAINST child sex trafficking! GUSTAVO VERA has, while in government, executed raids on child prostitutes and female “escorts” working out of nightclubs.

Uh, yeah. In order to suppress his competition. Apparently GUSTAVO VERA is a rentboy PIMP that has a monopoly on BOY PROSTITUTES working inside the gay bars of Buenos Aires. So what GUSTAVO VERA does is use his power and influence to have the freelance boy prostitutes that are working on the streets outside the gay bars, and in gay bars which his pimping syndicate does not have a foothold, cleared out in police raids which he orchestrates, thus maintaining his monopoly. He also executes vendettas against female prostitution rings and pimps.

FURTHERMORE, GUSTAVO VERA is said to use his “advocacy” for child sweatshop workers to enable him to procure child prostitutes, both already in Argentina, AND traveling to high Andean mountain villages in Bolivia to essentially buy children for his sex trade down in Buenos Aires.

GUSTAVO VERA and Jorge Bergoglio were known in Buenos Aires to be a sodomite couple, and the relationship continued after Antipope Bergoglio usurped the Petrine See.

The real reason that Antipope Bergoglio – known both in Rome and in Argentina as “the bishop who never smiles” and who would sit in the back corner of the dining room of the Via della Scrofa residence in Rome when he stayed there as a Cardinal, scowling and glowering and being conspicuously miserable and anti-social – was so insistent upon living not in the Apostolic Palace, but rather spending some $3,000,000 to take over and completely remodel the entire second floor of the Casa Santa Marta luxury hotel residence in the Vatican, WAS SO HE COULD ENSCONCE HIS SODOMY PARTNER, GUSTAVO VERA in the hotel. It had nothing to do with “wanting to be around people”. Bergoglio is profoundly anti-social. Lessons were learned from Paul VI having his sodomite sex partner, Paolo Carlini, running the halls of the Apostolic Palace at 4:00am and drawing very conspicuous attention to his “sleepovers”. Gustavo Vera had no problem moving around the Casa Santa Marta – a functioning hotel.

Up until last year when Antipope Bergoglio and Gustavo Vera had a fight and broke up, Gustavo Vera would travel from Buenos Aires to Rome MONTHLY. After the big fag fight, Antipope Bergoglio had the Swiss Guards go into Vera’s suite in the Casa Santa Marta, pack his bags for him, and then they met him as he was walking through the Vatican returning to the Casa Santa Marta, handed him his bags, and escorted him off the Vatican premises.

So, does the Lavender Mafia have blackmail material on Bergoglio himself? OH, HELL YES THEY DO.

Do we honestly believe, even as powerhungry as Bergoglio is, that anyone would have as many close connections to sodomites that Bergoglio has, and do as much to protect and even promote sodomites, if Bergoglio were not a sodomite himself – and a sodomite with intimate connections to sex trafficking and the systemic rape of children and TEENAGED BOYS?

Post: #202

A question for the experts (Yes I am a noob).
Can anyone explain to me if it is the right thing to focus on the Council of Trent while learning catechism ?
It looks to me like all this "cuckery" stuff started when reformism started ( Martin Luther)

Post: #203

(09-03-2018 03:02 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  A question for the experts (Yes I am a noob).
Can anyone explain to me if it is the right thing to focus on the Council of Trent while learning catechism ?
It looks to me like all this "cuckery" stuff started when reformism started ( Martin Luther)

Well, it really depends on who is governing your RCIA. A well-rounded history of The Church is useful for any catechumen. I don't know how you avoid the Council of Trent. Every parish is going to have that in the curriculum (or they should). I somewhat agree that the "cuckery" did creep in a bit during the counter-reformation. That being said, have you looked at the clerical response to Vatican II? Wait until you get to that wonderful bit of Church history.

If you are being educated by those who fall on the traditionalist side of things (FSSP, SSPX, various orders), they are more likely to focus on all of the ecumenical councils up to Vatican I. And there are only certain aspects of Vatican I they are interested in (repudiation of atheism, for example).

On the other hand, if you are going to a NO-only local parish with a diocesan priest, you might get VII, VII, and only VII. That defeats the purpose of RCIA, in my opinion.

So, to answer your question, the earlier councils are a better place to start and focus on. Also, it's good to examine when the practised aspects of the councils disagree with the history of The Church and Magisterium.

Post: #204

I found this interesting article after reading a different ZeroHedge article.

Have a look down below: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-0...e-epidemic

#106

Quote:Pope Francis: Divisive Devil Responsible For Catholic Pedophile Epidemic
by Tyler Durden
Mon, 10/08/2018 - 23:05

Pope Francis - who stands accused of covering up widespread sexual abuse within the Catholic Church, says that the devil is trying to divide and attack the organization. So apparently all of the child rape isn't the priests' fault, since the devil apparently made them do it.



"(The Church must be) saved from the attacks of the malign one, the great accuser and at the same time be made ever more aware of its guilt, its mistakes, and abuses committed in the present and the past," said Francis in a September 29 message.

Francis, who has made clear that he believes the devil to be real, suggested that Catholics worldwide pray every day in the month of October to stave off the Devil and his pedophile-encouraging ways.

"We should not think of the devil as a myth, a representation, a symbol, a figure of speech or an idea. This mistake would lead us to let down our guard, to grow careless and end up more vulnerable."

"I renew the invitation to everyone to pray the Rosary every day of the month of October ending it with the antiphon 'Under Your protection' and the prayer to St. Michael the Archangel, to repel the attacks of the devil who wants to divide the Church," said Francis, who described the devil as "the great accuser."

The prayer reads:

"St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou, O Prince of heavenly hosts, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan, and all evil spirits, who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls."

Perhaps the power of 1.2 billion praying Catholics October will be enough to overcome the Devil's influence over the preying priests.

Francis' description of Satan as "the great accuser" has rubbed one of the pope's adversaries the wrong way - Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, the Vatican's former ambassador to Washington D.C.


Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, former Apostolic Nuncio to United States.

Quote:In an 11-page statement published on Aug. 26, Viganò launched an unprecedented broadside by a Church insider against the pope and a long list of Vatican and U.S. Church officials.

He accused Francis of knowing about sexual misconduct by a former U.S. cardinal with male adult seminarians but not doing anything about it.

Viganò, concluding that his former boss had singled him out as the devil in disguise, complained in his next statement that Francis “compared me to the great accuser, Satan, who sows scandal and division in the Church, though without ever uttering my name”. -Reuters

Archbishop Viganò then said in his written statement that Pope Francis “continued to cover” for McCarrick and not only did he “not take into account the sanctions that Pope Benedict had imposed on him” but also made McCarrick “his trusted counselor.” Vigano said that the former archbishop of Washington advised the Pope to appoint a number of bishops in the United States, including Cardinals Blase Cupich of Chicago and Joseph Tobin of Newark.

CBS News spoke by telephone to Viganò, who confirmed he wrote the statement and said he was speaking out now "to combat the grave situation in the church, to protect the church and also to stop future abuse." He told CBS News producer Anna Matranga that he had no agenda and was stating facts.

Viganò, who retired in 2016 at age 75, described an exchange with Francis on June 23, 2013, shortly after he became pope, about Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, the former archbishop of Washington, D.C., who resigned last month over claims he sexually abused seminary students and an altar boy.

Viganò writes that he told Francis about the allegations: "Holy Father, I don't know if you know Cardinal McCarrick, but if you ask the Congregation for Bishops there is a dossier this thick about him. He corrupted generations of seminarians and priests and Pope Benedict ordered him to withdraw to a life of prayer and penance."

Viganò then said that the pope did not respond to the statement, and McCarrick continued in his role as a public figure for the church.

Quote:"Pope Francis has repeatedly asked for total transparency in the Church. He must honestly state when he first learned about the crimes committed by McCarrick, who abused his authority with seminarians and priests. In any case, the Pope learned about it from me on June 23, 2013 and continued to cover him."

On Sunday, a top Vatican official attacked Viganò in an open letter, accusing him of mountingh a "political frame job devoid of real foundation," while refuting the accusations against Pope Francis point by point.

Francis, meanwhile, has refused to confirm or deny Viganò's accusations.

Have a look through the comments section. It looks like there's a few people that are beginning to awaken from their beauty sleep.

Based on the contents of the article, does it look like Francis is projecting?
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"And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth."

Post: #205

Francis is correct that the Devil is trying to demolish the Catholic Church. Our problem is that Francis is passing him the sledgehammers.

God save us from people who mean well. -storm

Post: #206

Cardinal Zen: Pope Francis Has ‘Natural Sympathy for Communists’

Quote:The redoubtable Cardinal Joseph Zen said Thursday that the recently inked deal between the Vatican and China over the naming of bishops spells the “annihilation” of the Church in China.

In an op-ed for the New York Times titled “The Pope Doesn’t Understand China,” Cardinal Zen — the retired bishop of Hong Kong — speculated that the new deal, which concedes an unspecified role in the appointment of bishops to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), is fruit of the naivete of Pope Francis.

“Francis may have natural sympathy for Communists because for him, they are the persecuted,” Zen wrote. “He doesn’t know them as the persecutors they become once in power, like the Communists in China.”

And while supporters of the accord say that it brings unity after longstanding division between the underground Church loyal to the pope and the “official” church approved by the Chinese authorities, in reality it is “a major step toward the annihilation of the real Church in China,” Zen said.

“Pope Francis, an Argentine, doesn’t seem to understand the Communists,” Zen added, perhaps because of his experience in South America he sees them as defenders of the poor against oppressors.

The cardinal recalled that after China severed relations with the Vatican in the 1950s, Catholics and other believers were arrested and sent to labor camps.

“I went back to China in 1974 during the Cultural Revolution; the situation was terrible beyond imagination. A whole nation under slavery. We forget these things too easily,” Zen said.

“We also forget that you can never have a truly good agreement with a totalitarian regime,” he said.

The beginning of the end, he proposed, was when Slovak Cardinal Jozef Tomko “who understood communism” was replaced in 2002 by a “young Italian with no foreign experience” in overseeing the Church’s international missionary work.

The newcomer “began legitimizing official Chinese bishops too quickly, too easily, creating the impression that now the Vatican would automatically second Beijing’s selection,” Zen said.

“Today, we have Pope Francis,” Zen said. “Naturally optimistic about communism, he is being encouraged to be optimistic about the Communists in China by cynics around him who know better.”

In the face of recent experience, the cardinal said he has revised his earlier opinions regarding the pope’s choices of aides.

“I was among those who applauded Francis’s decision to appoint Pietro Parolin as secretary of state in 2013,” he said. “But I now think that Cardinal Parolin cares less about the Church than about diplomatic success. His ultimate goal is the restoration of formal relations between the Vatican and Beijing.”

Zen also likened China to the situation in Cuba, where a Francis visit in 2015 accomplished little besides media hype.

“But what did Francis’s visit to Cuba in 2015 bring the Church? The Cuban people? Almost nothing. And did he convert the Castro brothers?” Zen asks rhetorically.

What the new accord will actually achieve, Zen warns, is the suppression of the good bishops of the underground Church who are faithful to Rome

“The Vatican’s deal, struck in the name of unifying the Church in China, means the annihilation of the real Church in China,” he said.

Zen said that if he were a cartoonist he would “draw the Holy Father on his knees offering the keys of the kingdom of heaven to President Xi Jinping and saying, ‘Please recognize me as the pope.’”

The cardinal ends his essay with an appeal to the underground bishops and priests of China, asking them not to start a revolution, which would only mean their ruin.

“Go home, and pray with your family,” he said. “Till the soil. Wait for better times. Go back to the catacombs. Communism isn’t eternal.”

Based Cardinal Zen tells it like it is!

Post: #207

But is the Pope really the Pope?

From PJMedia.

Quote:Noted Vatican Theologian Calls for Examination of Validity of Pope Benedict’s XVI’s Resignation

In an important interview that was overlooked last month, a Vatican theologian said that unless Pope Francis corrects himself and reaffirms Church teaching on morals, the faith, and the sacraments, "the apostasy will deepen and the de facto schism will widen."

To address the current crisis, he suggested that an examination of the “juridical validity” of Pope Benedict’s XVI’s resignation was in order to “overcome problems that today seem insurmountable to us.” The theologian consultor to the Congregation for the Causes of Saints was implying that further study of the situation could reveal that Francis is not and has never been a valid pope, but is, in fact, an antipope who could be removed from the papacy, thus nullifying his "insurmountable" errors.

Msgr. Nicola Bux, a former consultor to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith under Benedict XVI, made the remarkable comments in an in-depth interview with Vatican reporter Aldo Maria Valli, the same reporter who interviewed Archbishop Carlo Viganò before he accused the pope of covering up clerical sexual misconduct in a stunning eleven-page letter back in August.

Writing on his own blog, National Catholic Register reporter Edward Pentin says that Bux warned that the current pope is issuing statements that are generating “heresies, schisms, and controversies of various kinds” and that the pontiff should issue a profession of faith to restore unity in the Church.

In the interview, published Oct. 13 but overlooked due to the Youth Synod taking place in Rome last month, the theologian consultor to the Congregation for the Causes of Saints said “heretical statements” on marriage, the moral life and reception of the sacraments are now “at the center of a vast debate which is becoming more and more passionate by the day.”

Msgr. Bux said the origin of many of these questioned teachings — highlighted in a September 2017 filial correction and at a Rome conference in April on doctrinal confusion in the Church — is the Pope’s post-synodal apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia, but they have since become “considerably worse and more complicated.”

He said this has led some senior prelates, such as Cardinal Walter Brandmüller, one of the four cardinals to sign the dubia in 2016, to reiterate a call for a “profession of faith on the part of the Pope.”

But Msgr. Bux said this would be difficult to achieve given the Pope’s vision of the Church as a federation of ecclesial communities — something Msgr. Bux described as “a bit like the Protestant communities.”

The theologian said that after the last two synods on the family, teaching on faith and morality has become inconsistent on the question of whether to give Holy Communion to divorced and remarried Catholics.

"Not a few bishops and parish priests, therefore, are in great embarrassment, because of an unstable and confused pastoral situation," he said.

Msgr. Bux said some kind of profession of faith -- like the one St. Paul VI made in 1968 reaffirming what is Catholic “in the face of the errors and heresies” that came immediately after the Second Vatican Council -- is required of the pope to remedy the situation.

“If this doesn’t happen,” he warned, “the apostasy will deepen and the de facto schism will widen.”

Msgr. Bux said the situation had "become even more urgent as a result of the latest changes introduced by the pope, such as that concerning the definition of 'anti-evangelism' of the death penalty."

"And the problems, I said, are notable, because either we admit that the Church has taught the legitimacy of something anti-evangelical practically for two thousand years or we must admit that it was Pope Bergoglio to err, considering anti-evangelical what, at contrary, it is at least abstractly compliant with Revelation," Bux said. "This is a very sensitive issue, but sooner or later he’s going have to put this right. And not just for the death penalty.”

Asked by Valli if this sets a precedent for the Pope to change more of the Catechism if he wishes, the theologian said this is a “very disturbing question,” and that another “legitimate concern” is to keep the deposit of faith from “sensitivities contingent on today’s or tomorrow’s society.”

The Pope cannot “impose his own opinion” on the Church, Msgr. Bux stressed, quoting Joseph Ratzinger, because on matters of faith, morals and the sacraments, the Church can “only consent to the will of Christ.” And yet he said “many points” in Amoris Laetitia are “cumbersome and contradictory” as well as contrary to the thinking of St. Thomas Aquinas, despite the exhortation asserting otherwise.

Msgr. Bux also addressed the pope's tendency to be silent in the face of criticism, and refusal to engage the charges of heresy or apostasy by pointing out St. Pius X’s warning in his 1907 encyclical Pascendi Dominici Gregis: That never “clearly confessing one’s own heresy” is “typical behaviour of the modernists, because in this way they can hide themselves within the Church.”

The monsignor went on to suggest that if found guilty of heresy, Pope Francis could be removed from office.

"In the Decree of Gratian (pars I, paragraph 40, chapter VI) there is this canon: 'No mortal will presume to speak of the pope's guilt, since, appointed to judge everyone, he must not be judged by anyone unless you deviate from faith,'" he said.

Msgr. Bux explained that "the distancing and deviation from the faith is called heresy" and "in the case of manifest heresy, according to St. Robert Bellarmine, the pope can be judged."

He added that "the pope is called by the Lord to spread the Catholic faith, but to do so he must prove capable of defending it."

Valli asked the monsignor if he was saying a pope found to be heretical would "cease to be the pope and head of the ecclesial body, and he loses all jurisdiction."

"Yes, heresy affects the faith and the status of a member of the Church, which are the root and foundation of jurisdiction," Msgr. Bux replied. "Every faithful, including the Pope, with heresy separates himself from the unity of the Church. It is well known that the Pope is at the same time a member and part of the Church, because the hierarchy is within and not above the Church, as stated in Lumen gentium (No. 18)."

Msgr. Bux noted however that it is difficult “identifying the exact contours of a heresy” because theology “is no longer reliable,” but has become a “sort of arena” where "everything converges and its opposite."

"So, affirmed a truth, there will always be someone willing to defend the exact opposite. As you can see, there are many practical, theological and juridical difficulties to the question of the judgment of the heretical pope," the theologian lamented.

He suggested that from a practical point of view, "it would be easier to examine and study more accurately the question concerning the juridical validity of Pope Benedict XVI's renunciation," for example, examining whether it was "full or partial ('halfway')." Msgr. Bux added that "the idea of a sort of collegiate papacy seems to me decidedly against the Gospel dictate."

Msgr. Bux pointed out that Jesus did not, in fact, tibi dabo claves [give the keys of heaven] to Peter and Andrew, but only to Peter!

"That's why I say that perhaps a thorough study of renunciation could be more useful and profitable, as well as helping to overcome problems that today seem insurmountable to us," the theologian declared.

He quoted Saverio Gaeta, Fatima, the whole truth, saying: "It was written: 'There will also come a time of the most difficult trials for the Church. Cardinals will oppose cardinals and bishops to bishops. Satan will put himself in their midst. Also in Rome there will be great changes.'"

Msgr. Bux argued that with Pope Francis, "great change" in the church is "palpable," along with a clear intention to "break with the previous pontificates."

"This discontinuity -- a revolution -- generates heresies, schisms and controversies of various kinds. However, all of them can be traced back to sin," he said. Quoting 3rd century Church Father Origen of Alexandria, he added: "Where there is sin, there we find multiplicity, there schisms, there heresies, there the controversies. Where virtue reigns, there is unity, there is communion, thanks to which all believers were one heart and one soul."

As an encouragement to faithful Catholics, Msgr. Bux quoted St. Athanasius of Alexandria’s address to Christians who suffered under the Arians:

You remain outside the places of worship, but faith dwells in you. Let’s see: what is more important, the place or the faith? True faith, of course. Who has lost and who has won in this fight, the one keeps the See or observes the faith? It is true, the buildings are good, when the apostolic faith is preached to you; they are holy if everything happens there in a holy way… You are the ones who are happy, you who remain within the Church because of your faith, who keep its foundations strong as they have been passed down to you through the apostolic tradition. And if some execrable jealousy tries to shake it on various occasions, it does not succeed. They are the ones who broke away from it in the current crisis. No one, never, will prevail against your faith, beloved brothers, and we believe that God will make us one day return our churches. The more violent they try to occupy the places of worship, the more they separate themselves from the Church. They claim that they represent the Church, but in reality they are the ones who are, in turn, expelled from it and go off the road.

Valli asked Bux whether heresy is not just about spreading false doctrines but also “silencing the truth about doctrine and morals.”

“Of course it is,” he responded. “Where there is no doctrine, there are moral problems — as we are seeing. When the pope and bishops do this, they use their office to destroy [doctrine].”

Quoting St. Augustine, he said, “they seek their own interests, not the interests of Jesus Christ; they proclaim his word, but spread their ideas.”

Quoting Cardinal Giacomo Biffi of Bologna, he added: "The name of Jesus Christ has become an excuse to talk about something else: migration, ecology and so on. Thus we are no longer unanimous in speaking (1 Cor 1: 10) and the Church is divided."

Post: #208

(10-12-2018 01:56 AM)Built to Fade Wrote:  I found this interesting article after reading a different ZeroHedge article.

Have a look down below: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-0...e-epidemic

#106

Quote:Pope Francis: Divisive Devil Responsible For Catholic Pedophile Epidemic
by Tyler Durden
Mon, 10/08/2018 - 23:05

Pope Francis - who stands accused of covering up widespread sexual abuse within the Catholic Church, says that the devil is trying to divide and attack the organization. So apparently all of the child rape isn't the priests' fault, since the devil apparently made them do it.
...

Based on the contents of the article, does it look like Francis is projecting?
_______________________________________________
"And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth."

I can certainly confirm that the South American dipshits in my wife's extended family (mother's side) swallow this bullshit hook line and sinker.

Her mother in particular considers the paedophile priests to be wholly innocent. She says the devils tempting them are wholly to blame.

This is why the church is desperate to flood the West with people bordering literally on clinical levels of retardation. You can piss on them all day long, tell them it's raining and they'll never doubt you for a second just as long as you're wearing the proper stupid fucking hat.

Post: #209

Will the priests stop sodomizing young boys now!

Post: #210

(11-19-2018 08:24 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  This is why the church is desperate to flood the West with people bordering literally on clinical levels of retardation. You can piss on them all day long, tell them it's raining and they'll never doubt you for a second just as long as you're wearing the proper stupid fucking hat.

Post: #211

The Franco Roman Catholic Church was always a schismatic brand, which is why it has deranged theology to begin with, moved the papacy ... did all manner of things showing it wasn't the true church from the beginning. Ever wonder why the epistle of St. Paul "To the Romans" was written in Greek? I'll give you a few moments to let that sink in ...

Post: #212

So is the black pope they've always wanted, wasn't want I was expecting. I can't embed but the minute log clip is in the link:

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comm..._im_going/

Post: #213

(01-06-2019 06:20 AM)Syberpunk Wrote:  So is the black pope they've always wanted, wasn't want I was expecting. I can't embed but the minute log clip is in the link:

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comm..._im_going/

Black pope is dope!

Post: #214

(09-03-2018 07:38 PM)Tiger Man Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 03:02 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  A question for the experts (Yes I am a noob).
Can anyone explain to me if it is the right thing to focus on the Council of Trent while learning catechism ?
It looks to me like all this "cuckery" stuff started when reformism started ( Martin Luther)

Well, it really depends on who is governing your RCIA. A well-rounded history of The Church is useful for any catechumen. I don't know how you avoid the Council of Trent. Every parish is going to have that in the curriculum (or they should). I somewhat agree that the "cuckery" did creep in a bit during the counter-reformation. That being said, have you looked at the clerical response to Vatican II? Wait until you get to that wonderful bit of Church history.

If you are being educated by those who fall on the traditionalist side of things (FSSP, SSPX, various orders), they are more likely to focus on all of the ecumenical councils up to Vatican I. And there are only certain aspects of Vatican I they are interested in (repudiation of atheism, for example).

On the other hand, if you are going to a NO-only local parish with a diocesan priest, you might get VII, VII, and only VII. That defeats the purpose of RCIA, in my opinion.

So, to answer your question, the earlier councils are a better place to start and focus on. Also, it's good to examine when the practised aspects of the councils disagree with the history of The Church and Magisterium.

Thank you Tiger. I must admit that I did not understand your answer at all. What does RCIA mean ?

Maybe I should start with something more simple.
Am I correct to believe that , these movements were formed chronologically ?

1- Apostolic Church (Armenia)
2- "Roman" Catholicism
3- Orthodox
4- Protestants/(Reformist? )

IF we follow this logic , then it would be worth trying to go back to the roots of Christianity , to Apostolic way of believing ?

Post: #215

Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults. Mandatory classes that converts have to take before the church will initiate them.

Post: #216

I'm starting to think that this guy has a foot fetish.

Post: #217

(01-07-2019 12:18 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 07:38 PM)Tiger Man Wrote:  

(09-03-2018 03:02 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  A question for the experts (Yes I am a noob).
Can anyone explain to me if it is the right thing to focus on the Council of Trent while learning catechism ?
It looks to me like all this "cuckery" stuff started when reformism started ( Martin Luther)

Well, it really depends on who is governing your RCIA. A well-rounded history of The Church is useful for any catechumen. I don't know how you avoid the Council of Trent. Every parish is going to have that in the curriculum (or they should). I somewhat agree that the "cuckery" did creep in a bit during the counter-reformation. That being said, have you looked at the clerical response to Vatican II? Wait until you get to that wonderful bit of Church history.

If you are being educated by those who fall on the traditionalist side of things (FSSP, SSPX, various orders), they are more likely to focus on all of the ecumenical councils up to Vatican I. And there are only certain aspects of Vatican I they are interested in (repudiation of atheism, for example).

On the other hand, if you are going to a NO-only local parish with a diocesan priest, you might get VII, VII, and only VII. That defeats the purpose of RCIA, in my opinion.

So, to answer your question, the earlier councils are a better place to start and focus on. Also, it's good to examine when the practised aspects of the councils disagree with the history of The Church and Magisterium.

Thank you Tiger. I must admit that I did not understand your answer at all. What does RCIA mean ?

Maybe I should start with something more simple.
Am I correct to believe that , these movements were formed chronologically ?

1- Apostolic Church (Armenia)
2- "Roman" Catholicism
3- Orthodox
4- Protestants/(Reformist? )

IF we follow this logic , then it would be worth trying to go back to the roots of Christianity , to Apostolic way of believing ?

Just as a clarifier, though East and West always had their differences, they were one church for a millenium (arbitrarily splitting in 1054 stated because of the first fireworks but more definitively after the Venetians sack Constantinople in 1204). The Eastern Churches are the original churches by definition (the Apostles began there) so your timeline above is off. The Oriental Orthodox Churches (as opposed to the Eastern Orthodox Churches) which are Coptic, Armenian, Ethiopian, Syriac, etc. are the non Chalcedonian Churches as they do not accept the 4th ecumenical council (of Chalcedon, AD 451), by what is considered to be just a language dispute (monophysite controversy). You would barely notice any difference from these regarding the EO churches otherwise, as apart from that monophysite struggle, they are essentially theologically equivalent and have near identical ritual/practice.

As I've said above, what is called the Roman Catholic Church today is the Franco-Roman church which was a politically motivated schism having to do with many things, but prominently the "Holy Roman Empire" (Charlemagne) among other things, with the papacy being a figurehead division point, opposing itself with the moved capital (to Constantinople) among the four other Patriarchates (Antioch, Alexandria, and Jerusalem as well), Rome being the 5th original, of course the capital at one point and first among equals, until that changed too like it always does, since empires don't last.

Post: #218

Post: #219

Pope Francis donates $500,000 to migrants at US border

Quote:Pope Francis donated $500,000 to Mexico-based projects to help migrant communities as media attention has faded, the Vatican said Saturday.

The funds will be distributed between 27 projects associated with 16 Mexican dioceses and congregations, all of which asked for help to continue providing food, lodging, and basic necessities to those fleeing their home countries through Mexico.

“In recent months, thousands of migrants have arrived in Mexico, having travelled more than 4,000 kilometers on foot and with makeshift vehicles from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala. Men and women, often with young children, flee poverty and violence, hoping for a better future in the United States. However, the U.S. border remains closed to them,” said a press release from Peter's Pence, the organization handling the funds.

Peter’s Pence's collections are funds earmarked "to provide the Holy Father with the financial means to respond to those who are suffering as a result of war, oppression, natural disaster, and disease," according to its website.

The money is specifically meant to aid the 75,000 migrants who arrived in Mexico in 2018 as part of six caravans, according to a press release from Peter's Pence.

“All these people were stranded, unable to enter the United States, without a home or livelihood. The Catholic Church hosts thousands of them in hotels within the dioceses or religious congregations, providing basic necessities, from housing to clothing,” Peter's Pence said.

The organization said the donations were currently needed because “media coverage of this emergency has been decreasing, and as a result, aid to migrants by the government and private individuals has also decreased."

Compared with....

Pope Francis laments Easter Sunday attacks in Sri Lanka

Quote:Pope Francis laments the Easter Sunday attacks on several churches and hotels in Sri Lanka, which killed at least 207 people and wounded more than 450 others.

Post: #220

Let's remember Pope Francis is a Jesuit, the most left-leaning branch in the Catholic Church. What did people think was going to happen?

Post: #221

(04-28-2019 07:10 PM)Kurgan Wrote:  Let's remember Pope Francis is a Jesuit, the most left-leaning branch in the Catholic Church. What did people think was going to happen?

Christianity? We were rather hoping for it.

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(04-28-2019 12:57 PM)kamoz Wrote:  Pope Francis donates $500,000 to migrants at US border

Quote:Pope Francis donated $500,000 to Mexico-based projects to help migrant communities as media attention has faded, the Vatican said Saturday.

Let's not forget that the Vatican also refused to donate a single penny to the reconstruction of Notre Dame.

Enough said...

Post: #223

This video explains the significance of the recent 15 page open-letter accusing Pope Francis of heresy.

Post: #224

(04-28-2019 07:10 PM)Kurgan Wrote:  Let's remember Pope Francis is a Jesuit, the most left-leaning branch in the Catholic Church. What did people think was going to happen?

This is bullshit about Jesuits.
A solid liberal arts education in the classics from a conservative Jesuit school is second to none. You study ancient history, literature, language, and choose an emphasis in Latin or ancient Greek. You learn from the masters of philosophy, science and rhetorics and if you get through it you have the skill set to be a renaissance man of any discipline that catches your interest.

It just so happens that like most other educational institutions of the past twenty years, Jesuit institutions have been infiltrated by Marxists. There are still some good ones out there though.

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What enabled these institutions to be infiltrated, Barron?

It's hard to defend the countless number of "Catholic" universities at this point that do numerous things that are all in line with the idea of "safe spaces" --- and much, much more.