Post: #76

(10-05-2018 12:50 PM)hitmanwalking Wrote:  

papayatapper Wrote:I tried to reply but you put me on your "ignore list" before I could for some reason.

So I'll post your message and my reply here

masta Wrote:I don't know who you are but notice you keep following me around and trolling me without ever actually talking about my points. If you would like, I would meet you in real life and we can have a battle and post it on roosh. I dont like to talk much id rather just do the walk. I am in philly and available any time.

Lol Looks like the thread got compleely derailed. Now I don't have a horse in this race, but just by looking at the posts, I clearly see PappayaTapper trying to call out the poster Masta on his posts, which prompted Masta to send PappayaTapper a private message, which got BROADCASTED on the forums and put on blast. I think this is called "doxing another member," the very same reason why Masta got banned.

Imagine if Masta said something like "Hey man, I live in philly. I work for such and such company. Here's my number. Call me anytime, and let's settle this. Regardless, a member's private message should NEVER be broadcasted. It could ruin his career knowing the social climate we are in right now.

So I guess as a mod, if you don't like a member, you can derail a thread, put them on blast, post their private messages to you, yet when they do the same (probably because they don't know the rules as MUCH as you should), then they get the ban hammer..

Hmmmmm....Looks like abuse of power to me. Does @Roosh pay attention to his own forum or is he still on sabbathical?

So guys, I guess if the mods don't like you, they can come after you incessantly and ban you for the very same offences they committed against you.

Looks like your privacy isn't safe after all.

Of course, the PappayaTapper will come in and say "I couldn't send him a message because he blocked me." Well, I wonder why he blocked you? Could it be you kept trolling him? Even so, that's no excuse to dox another member. You should know better as a guy who's been here forever.

Expect his 4-5 friends to come in and defend him and brush this aside as a troll post. That's usually how it is around here. The mods do whatever they want, and file everything they don't agree with as "troll." They have been given full autonomy, and that includes the right to provoke you, gang stalk you, and ban you for the very same things they get away with.

What is @Roosh going to do? Brush this aside and let his members know the mods can broadcast their privacy without punishment? Or will he ban a member who's been here forever and has developed a God complex?

Hello Masta, Bye as well you're going to get banned again.

Post: #77

Moving on from the drama, I recently had a thought after reading some posts about how easy it can be to get bitter and angry about some of this social circle shit as a guy.

Members on here have talked about making yourself the best version of yourself but it just feels like this thing is a lot more complicated than that which is why I posted a thread on it. I hate to keep going back to the professional white collar thing but I almost have to. In those circles, things like hooking up with randoms and meeting good looking women can be career suicide given the nature of HR.

Guys I have to say, its not that I am envious, I am just angry about social circle game. It just seems like some of these guys have nothing going for them yet they have hot girls gathering around them while other well off guys do not have that in their lives. The guys who are great on paper with the nice job, good looks and education are not the ones who seem to be getting hot girls gathering around to be a part of their lives.

I also posted this thread because my end goal with game and on this forum is to be that guy, that guy who shows up to a party with 5 hot girls with him and has his crew but damn, this shit is so confusing and I just don't know.

I've read the posts on here but like the members themselves, the obstacles have come up with finding the right places to look if you are being honest about what you want out of social circle game which is hot girls and cool friends.

Looked at RSD Luke's videos lately but looking at the dude himself, I am stuck saying wtf. The guy is way out of shape on one hand but on the other, I've literally seen dudes who look just like that living the life I want to live.

Post: #78

(10-06-2018 01:38 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  It just seems like some of these guys have nothing going for them yet they have hot girls gathering around them while other well off guys do not have that in their lives. The guys who are great on paper with the nice job, good looks and education are not the ones who seem to be getting hot girls gathering around to be a part of their lives.

The answer to that is probably BALLS and zero fucks. Someone who is worried about protecting themselves or their reputation at work/family/society isn't going to have the balls to be reckless and bang risky people in risky situations, even if the risks are only to the ego...

edit: zero fucks or ignorance of risk.

Post: #79

Read Comte’s thread on social circle game.

The only thing stopping you from getting out of your bubble, trying out a new hobby, volunteering, making friends, etc. are your own self-limiting beliefs.

Surely there is some experience that you have never had that you would like to have? Some fantasy or vision that you would like to manifest into reality?

Something other than partying.

Don’t be so one-dimensional!

You ever climb a mountain before? Gone scuba-diving?

You ever read a book to a kid dying from cancer?

Get out there and live man. You need to stop worrying about girls for a while.

Edit: Also, if you have a white collar job, you have money. Use that money to do something fun.

And if you think the only fun thing in life is fucking women, then you might want to go see a sex therapist or something. Not being facetious.

Post: #80

(10-06-2018 01:38 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  Members on here have talked about making yourself the best version of yourself but it just feels like this thing is a lot more complicated than that which is why I posted a thread on it. I hate to keep going back to the professional white collar thing but I almost have to. In those circles, things like hooking up with randoms and meeting good looking women can be career suicide given the nature of HR.

I'm confused as to what you're really meditating on here. How does it come back to "the professional white collar" thing?

Nobody at work should know what you're doing in your personal life. That's ridiculous. HR isn't going to find out you cruise the Greek Islands for Russian bitches on vacation unless you're dumb enough to tell them. Professional white collar girls like to rawdog and get choked out just the same as all the others, but you don't line that up at the office. There is no conflict between game and building a successful career.

Make your time as exciting and rewarding for you as you possible can. Build a awesome lifestyle for you, and women will be grateful to receive a guest pass into your life at no expense to you. Your posts seem to assume that the key to social circles is to compromise your career and lifestyle to make more room to meet women socially, but it's the other way around. Women will try to find ways to meet you if your persona is on-point. That's what these guys are doing. One way or another, even just by promising some reliable entertainment, they're signalling value and women come to them.

One of the most revealing things I've noticed is when I put my vacation pictures up on Instagram, and women I know in the 5-7 range reliably start sending me private messages asking me who I'm with. They know damn well I'm in an LTR with a big-titted blond. The vacation just looks so good, they instinctively assume I spin plates, too. Their lives are so boring they're getting wet at the idea of merely getting a dick that's been somewhere exciting and sit there chewing their fingernails holding out hope that my relationship is sketchy.

Post: #81

Comte’s Social Circle Game Thread: /thread-34576.html

Post: #82

(10-07-2018 09:04 AM)BasketBounce Wrote:  Comte’s Social Circle Game Thread: /thread-34576.html

He was asking the same garbage questions in there and just chose to ignore the very practical advice already written. Kid just wants attention so he can pretend he's making progress without doing shit.

Main reason I've chosen to largely ignore this thread other than the comments of other posters and set the kid on ignore.

Post: #83

That thread not being as useful as I thought it was is what led to me making a new one, glad to stay on that ignore list.

I guess sometimes in life you have to make yourself vulnerable and transparent in order to truly transform so I'll do that here and for most of this thread, outside of a couple years, it has been a big pain point for me throughout life which is why I am making a thread on it.

I am lost, there you go, and the more I try the more lost I become.

In the past I have given it a few tries to do social circle game but it seems like the social circles I get into are not in anyway conductive to game. It is like you might make some friends but these are not friends who will be helpful to you when it comes to game because they are usually getting in the way or actively stopping you from doing your best, in other words the same people that push you into settling down with a wife and kids.

We all have to start somewhere and I got lucky with two cool roommates back in my early 20s. Outside of that, I have no idea how to find like-minded people or guys who have a similar outlook to game and the lifestyle that I do if you all catch what I am getting at.

Its like here I am as a guy in his 20s, good career, free time on the weekends and the ambition to live that life of getting with random women and partying. At the same time it seems like I can make friends but they are not THOSE kinds of friends who want similar things out of life.

I keep running across soyboy type of guys that think game is an evil and you should never have sex before marriage or guys who try to make me feel guilty for spending a weekend going out having fun at a bar or club.

Then I see these people at bars or clubs who are out with their large crew and I am stuck wondering how the fuck that guy got that crew yet it seems like I can make any kind of friend except for those that want to go out to nightclubs and genuinely want to live the player life.

Like we have game communities, I feel like ever since I have been away from NYC, I am literally the only guy in a given area that wants to give a middle finger to the marriage lifestyle and actually wants to live the life of hooking up with randoms, partying on a weekend and just the whole hedonism.

I have friends but I feel like I keep having the wrong kinds of friends that do not help me in my journey. Watching Netflix together on a Saturday night and sitting down to talk about life is getting boring as fuck for me...

Post: #84

Beer - then why don't you just get your ass back to NYC pronto?

No point in wasting valuable time being miserable in a place and around people you don't enjoy.

Post: #85

@beer

Seems like to me from your other posts you're on some whack shit. I see you being real now expressing some desire for change. So let me tell you something.

You attract people who are amicable to the compatible behavior that you exhibit. So you're only attracting betas and soy boys, people who netflix on Saturday nights instead of getting women (i see those as a blessing these days, because I always have a girl on lock). It's because that's how you come off. People see you as you are, objectively as possible. You wanna be a party dude who connects people and makes other people glad to be there go out and do it.

Work on your energy. Go see a doctor get your test measured. Start eating right, working out, taking ZMA and go kill it. You seem smart, you should be able to do this

Post: #86

beer, it's simple if you want it to be.

You gotta be a person other want to spend time around, be positive and make people feel great to be around you. That's how you build this whole castle.

Read through your post history and notice how you're being pessimistic instead of optimistic. It repels people.

If your best friend spoke to you the way I bet your inner voice speaks to yourself, would you want to spend time with them?

Unlikely.

Enjoy life, it's great. You have more access to women than ever before. You have more social mobility than ever before. Higher health and energy levels than ever before.

This whole comfort zone society has bred this kinda faux-struggle that a whole bunch of us younger guys want to feel victimized by.

Grab life by the balls, you can have anything you want as long as you feel entitled to it.

Cosign the energy suggestion by Eugenics.

Post: #87

Great replies above.

Premise for my post (as well as others presumably)... You have to live in a place where the type of people that you want to meet also live. I can't comment on how to build a social circle in flyover country because I've never done it. Since you've said you want to get back to NYC or another city eventually, this will become relevant.

With social circle, the question you have to ask yourself is this one: What value do I contribute, and why should somebody, let alone somebody who already has plenty of male friends as well as cute girls, want to hang out with me?

I asked myself this question and came up with a few reasons.

-- I have a positive vibe and generally am pleasant to be around. As Noir said, this is important. I have a genuine interest in other people and their stories. When people talk to me, I listen to what they say and ask pertinent questions. If they are a cool person and have a good vibe, I treat them well. I'm not a PC person and make a lot of off-color jokes, but people generally dig it as part of my personality, it's really rare that I actually offend somebody; rather, I tend to get people laughing.

-- While I am not rich, I have enough $ to spend and I am happy to spend it on a good time. I have no qualms about spotting friends a drink or a cover charge to speed things up and don't hound people for venmo requests or asking for cash. If there's a group of 6 and we want to keep the group together, I'm happy to order the Uber SUV instead of having everybody split Xs. Nobody says you have to be buying bottles, but a small gesture like buying a drink can go a long way. FYI, I'm not saying to spend $ on completely random people, but within people who are in my crew, I am pretty generous.

-- I have good social IQ. Sounds obvious, but MANY people fail by not knowing how to read a situation. The most common things are hitting on every chick in sight at house parties/smaller venues, or getting piss wasted to where you're puking everywhere... I avoid both. I'm good at judging the context of a social situation and acting accordingly. For example, pulling out a gram of blow will get you a lot of friends at a Vegas club pregame, but will creep the fuck out of everybody at a dinner party.

-- Finally, I am cool to everybody who is cool to me and I don't judge. I don't give a fuck if somebody is married or wants to fuck random bitches until they're 60. I don't care if they support Trump or is liberal. If I meet a dude at a party who is married, rather than saying "That sucks bro, you gotta stay single and slay pussy!", I'll talk to him and his wife, and then in most cases, wifey will offer to intro me to her single friends. If I'm hosting a party and a hot girl I know invites her chubby friend, I'll talk to them both. Sometimes she will still cockblock me, but many other times she will set it up for me and her friend.

There is one more overarching theme that explains the bullets above - I look at a social circle as a long-term investment. To me, buying a drink or two for somebody can pay massive dividends down the road that are worth far more than 15 bucks. Many guys try to weasel their way into a social circle just to extract value rather than contribute to it, and while this can work for a bit, eventually it is sniffed out. At my recent party, one guy (a friend of a friend) came through and failed on social IQ... he drank a shit ton, and kept persistently hitting on every chick around, including many in relationships. Maybe he pulled that night, maybe he didn't, I don't know. But, he will not be invited back.

I am writing this not to make myself look like the shit; in fact, I don't really think any of these things are special. Anybody can do them. Obviously there's other ways to contribute value. Drugs, party connections, good looks (attracts women to you and then for other guys in circle!) all work. But they are not necessary.
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Beer, since this is your thread, I'll even provide you with a step-by-step example of how you can get the ball rolling with a social circle once back in NYC. Obviously I don't know every detail of your situation, but this is broad enough to where I think you can make it work.

I have done this myself on numerous occasions, so I can verify that it works.

1) Once back, hit up your ex-roommate, mention that you've moved back and wanted to catch up for a beer. When you meet him at a bar, ask him how things are going with work, with women, family, etc. At some point later (not right away), move the topic of conversation to where he goes out and whether he is still hosting pregames and parties. Assuming he says yes, ask whether you could come by and bring some girls over at some point down the line. He will almost surely say yes.

2) Go out to some bars in the area of where you plan to be going out, either with solo or with one other guy, and meet some girls. This will mean you have to *gasp* cold approach. Go on a Weds/Thurs night when things are a little more chill, and talk with groups of 2-3. Don't go for the immediate pull... try to find things in common like hobbies, etc. Ask them where they like to go out. If they like to go out in LES and that is where your cool roommate goes out, say "I go out there also w my friends! We're having a pregame this friday, you should come by". Grab their numbers or IG and bounce.

3) When your friend is having a party or a pregame, bring the girls, along with a fifth of Grey Goose or Ketel. Introduce your friends to the girls. They will in turn introduce you to the girls they already have there. Don't try to fuck them right away, get to know them first. One of the other guys may fuck the girls you invited. Don't take it personally. If that happens, you will almost surely be invited back a hell of a lot more.

4) There you go, now you have a mini social circle!

5) Rinse and repeat. Make some connections at a bar where you can at least hop the line when you get there. That's another easy way to provide value. Act pleasant anytime you're invited out. Don't be afraid to spot a guy or a chick a cover charge or a drink without venmo requesting right way.

In summary: if you want to build a longer-term social circle, you need to have an initial in, as well as reasons how you can contribute value in the long-term. This should provide you with a starting point on both.

Post: #88

Or just go on vacation - expand your social circle with 10s and get them to wing for you:

https://www.foxnews.com/travel/controver...a-comeback

Damn may even meet some young Fox News lip gloss hotties...

Post: #89

After a lot of thinking, I have formally started an interview process for a new job in NYC including at my old company where I left on great terms, just had a couple recruiter screens this morning and got ways to go as the job process can go on for some time. My current jobs pays more than well enough in flyover country and I am saving like crazy but the place is just driving me insane, no place to live or stay in if you are a guy in your 20s.

Now it makes sense to me why so many people are willing to deal with the super high cost of living, sometimes you can't always stick with decisions that seem smart on paper and risk your own sanity like what has happened to me. Granted that a lot of the soul crushing loneliness due to how cliquish, prudish and morally strict things are led to me finding this forum which has left an impact, at some point this shit just becomes way too much.

My ex-roommates are no longer in the city, one ended up getting married and the other moved to another city. Even after all that, I still think that there is something in NYC for me even if I handle the city solo, maybe I run into an old connection or two. I know those years I was in the city I was actually happy for once in my life and ever since leaving due to wanting to save money, I have become more and more miserable every single month. It really does get to me how compared to NYC, majority of the country looks down on drinking, partying, hooking up and being single in your 20s.

The only success I had with social circle game came through my two roommates and that was dumb luck. No idea what happens now but have to try, this shit has always been complicated for me but lets see what a move does.

Post: #90

(10-08-2018 09:33 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  It really does get to me how compared to NYC, majority of the country looks down on drinking, partying, hooking up and being single in your 20s.

A comedian I saw in NYC a few years ago did a bit about this - as NYC comedians do - and wondered what it was like to install Tinder and just swipe through pictures of yourself over and over, since there's nobody else on it.

Seriously, that pressure to conform is just a byproduct of the options those people have. I grew up in the rural mid-South, with two turboprop flights a day to one city. There were basically two kinds of guys:

1) Guys who got married after high school and joined the military, got divorced when she cheated and abandoned the military after they concluded the recruiter hadn't told the truth about their career prospects, and then went to work in a coal mine or for local government, and ended up taking care of their high school sweetheart's kids with her first husband while they fight with their ex-wife over their own kids.

2) Guys who left and built lives.

Cities might be full of temptation and the sense of anonymity can lead to no good for people who aren't in good control of themselves, but living in a place with no options is like being trapped in an unwashed fishbowl.

Don't let the other four fish shitting in your water tell you you're not allowed to enjoy your life, we're all going to get old and die eventually and time will pass you by if you let it.

Post: #91

(10-08-2018 09:33 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  After a lot of thinking, I have formally started an interview process for a new job in NYC including at my old company where I left on great terms, just had a couple recruiter screens this morning and got ways to go as the job process can go on for some time. My current jobs pays more than well enough in flyover country and I am saving like crazy but the place is just driving me insane, no place to live or stay in if you are a guy in your 20s.

Now it makes sense to me why so many people are willing to deal with the super high cost of living, sometimes you can't always stick with decisions that seem smart on paper and risk your own sanity like what has happened to me. Granted that a lot of the soul crushing loneliness due to how cliquish, prudish and morally strict things are led to me finding this forum which has left an impact, at some point this shit just becomes way too much.

My ex-roommates are no longer in the city, one ended up getting married and the other moved to another city. Even after all that, I still think that there is something in NYC for me even if I handle the city solo, maybe I run into an old connection or two. I know those years I was in the city I was actually happy for once in my life and ever since leaving due to wanting to save money, I have become more and more miserable every single month. It really does get to me how compared to NYC, majority of the country looks down on drinking, partying, hooking up and being single in your 20s.

The only success I had with social circle game came through my two roommates and that was dumb luck. No idea what happens now but have to try, this shit has always been complicated for me but lets see what a move does.

Well to be fair, there are a few hotbeds of transplants & folks that aren't afraid of "hooking up" & "having fun". NYC isn't the only one, but it is the biggest one. I mean even in the sunbelt there are cities that are a bit more conducive to transplants & partying.

Either way, I respect the fact that you are attempting to make moves constructively now. Hopefully you are on the verge of big things.

Post: #92

(09-27-2018 11:41 AM)chicane Wrote:  

(09-27-2018 11:23 AM)Jetset Wrote:  Volunteering and other charity events are gold, as long as you don't let it start to look like you don't have anything better to do. Botanical gardens, galas, art walks, etc.

If you have a nice place to live and a channel to network with a political candidate and offering to host a meeting for his campaign. I worked on a congressional campaign once and had married voters, their daughters, donors' wives, everybody coming on to me. It was ridiculous.

No, they aren't. They are full of feminists, soyboys, SJWs, self hating white people, LGBTQP freaks and a lot of other people who despise straight white males, particularly those of us who are unapologetic about it. 35 years ago it was great. 15 years ago it was tolerable. Today it is a fucking nightmare.

100% my brother. I happened to stumble upon an animal shelter charity event at an outdoor restaurant/cafe. Total fatties and unsexies there. When I was in college waayyyy back when, there were plenty of lovely girls you could meet volunteering. At least from my observations today, that is not the case.

I suspect it's because we've become so polarized as a society, that charitable endevours have been usurped by the hardcore lefties. Also we've become much more narcissistic as a society, so those that DO volunteer are more virtue signaling about it, and the others are too obsessed with themselves to really want to sacrifice anything (such as time) for others - I mean it's way easier to just press the "like" button on an emotionally moving video about a charity than actually spend time on one.