Post: #26

Paintball teaches you a couple of things right quick that are probably extremely valid in terms of short range real world firefights.

1) You are not fucking fit enough.
2) Rookie adrenal washes turn you into a literal retard for their duration.
3) You are not fucking fit enough.
4) Rookie tunnel vision will allow guys to walk up on you from a mere 30 degrees left or right of your point of focus.
5) Half a second out of cover too long is the same as a million years out of cover too long.
6) You are not fucking fit enough.
7) Your simple mechanical device known as a gun will fuck up routinely, and if you don't know how to fix it then you're fucked.
8) You are not fucking fit enough.
9) You will get down into the most horrible, shitty place without hesitating if it gets you the best cover, or you will pay the price.
10) You are not fucking fit enough.
11) If someone has a bead on your position there are no fancy tricks to turn the table. Unless you're carrying grenades you either have them flanked or you get comfy.
12) You are not fucking fit enough.
13) Volume of fire plus flanking = win, or "opposite of #11".
14) You are not fucking fit enough.
15) The moment you decide not to use an opportunity to reload is the moment before you come up one round short.
16) You are not fucking fit enough.
17) Cover is not the same as concealment. You will ride out a withering barrage of paintballs in long grass while being ashamedly embarrassed that in real life you would be minced by actual bullets.
18) You are not fucking fit enough.
19) The more buzzed you feel on the day, the more destroyed you will wake tomorrow.
20) You are not fucking fit enough.

Post: #27

The one and only time I went to play paintball, I was struck by how much the giant compressed air chamber on the rifle makes it unrealistic and impossible to grip and aim in any way that would resemble a real rifle (not to mention the other factors already listed). This completely changes the flow of battle.

Either way, the players weren't especially autistic but I still found the game to be quite disappointing. Perhaps the small, unimaginative field was to blame but I don't think I'll be trying it again.

Post: #28

It depends where you play, you can play in tournaments on small fields with inflatable bunkers or in some places you can go play in a forest with dozens or hundreds of other players spread out over acres.

Post: #29

There's a big problem with Jihadis in the west using paintball as a means of training their recruits. I went paintballing for a friend's birthday a few years ago, and there was a group of 14 muslims practising basic tactical maneuvers. They weren't much good. Fundamentally these guys just aren't very good soldiers, it's not in their blood. I gather the powers that be are aware that paintballing arenas are sometimes used as potential training grounds.

Post: #30

Played paintball competitively for close to 8 years in the UK. Different to airsoft in a few ways but both have cheaters in them.

The key to playing them is to not rush around like a retard like you would in a battlefield game. Post-up, look, shoot lanes and move laterally. Pushing up is the single biggest risk you can do outside of having no-one watching your flanks.

Post: #31

I would hesitantly suggest it exists at an apex of cheap, effective and legal in terms of training for expendable martyrs.

Suffice to say anyone that's spent time at a paintball range is at a dramatic advantage in a real life shooting event. I remember spending days strategising prior to my first outing and then being slaughtered like a lamb for several matches regardless.

Of course in real life you lose once and that's it. There's no learning curve at all unless you're incredibly lucky.

Post: #32

(09-11-2018 11:27 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  There's a big problem with Jihadis in the west using paintball as a means of training their recruits. I went paintballing for a friend's birthday a few years ago, and there was a group of 14 muslims practising basic tactical maneuvers. They weren't much good. Fundamentally these guys just aren't very good soldiers, it's not in their blood. I gather the powers that be are aware that paintballing arenas are sometimes used as potential training grounds.

Bro thats racist. They were probably just celebrating one of their buddies losing his goat fucking virginity.

Post: #33

(09-11-2018 12:14 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I would hesitantly suggest it exists at an apex of cheap, effective and legal in terms of training for expendable martyrs.

Suffice to say anyone that's spent time at a paintball range is at a dramatic advantage in a real life shooting event. I remember spending days strategising prior to my first outing and then being slaughtered like a lamb for several matches regardless.

Of course in real life you lose once and that's it. There's no learning curve at all unless you're incredibly lucky.

Add the threat of dieing and I don't see much advantage when they see it as a game, no more of an advantage than any other team sport.

Post: #34

(09-09-2018 09:48 PM)Penta Sahi Wrote:  Airsoft is badass. Never tried it but it's on my list of things to do one day.

Here's a vid from earlier this year where a German SWAT (equivalent) officer plays airsoft and kicks ass.

Played that video and over the past day or so I've gotten a bunch of these videos from that channel on my recommended. Decently enjoyable watches.

Post: #35

(09-11-2018 10:40 PM)cascadecombo Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 12:14 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I would hesitantly suggest it exists at an apex of cheap, effective and legal in terms of training for expendable martyrs.

Suffice to say anyone that's spent time at a paintball range is at a dramatic advantage in a real life shooting event. I remember spending days strategising prior to my first outing and then being slaughtered like a lamb for several matches regardless.

Of course in real life you lose once and that's it. There's no learning curve at all unless you're incredibly lucky.

Add the threat of dieing and I don't see much advantage when they see it as a game, no more of an advantage than any other team sport.

I would be surprised if that were the case. It's obviously not on par with proper training for those sorts of scenarios but I wouldn't expect that an amateur paintball team would lose a real world firefight with an amateur soccer team.

Post: #36

That would be a reality show I would watch.

Post: #37

(09-11-2018 09:27 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Paintball teaches you a couple of things right quick that are probably extremely valid in terms of short range real world firefights.

1) You are not fucking fit enough.

<SNIP>

While much of what the rest of what you wrote is valid, the vast majority of paintball matches do not involve some real high level of fitness. Maybe at the highest levels most of the guys are physically fit, but not in the trenches so to speak.

Paintball is funny, there are definitely cheaters and a good bit of lack of honor, but if you get into it at the non-novice level where you have actual organized teams playing against each other it can be fun and you can implement some good strategy.

A quick anecdote about those with lack of honor (it's an honor system ultimately as you can wipe away hits or in some cases the worst/most painful hits are the balls that bounce and don't break):

I was playing one time with coworkers on a work outing and a few of us had been a few times before so we had a tiny bit more knowledge/understanding of the effective tactics and also communicated well with each other. The other team had a few decent shots who had holed up behind a short right angle wall with window/openings. They had the high ground and there wasn't much of any cover save for some dirt mounds so approaching them was difficult and they had nice guns (vs the shitty rentals) so getting in range to have a change to hit them was a requirement.

I got pinned down and managed to get my two friends to advance to the other side and draw their fire and attention. I slowly made my way to the forward most mound my heart pumping like a jackhammer in my chest and then seeing my friends signal to me I turned the mound and ran up the embankment, sneaking up all the way to the wall with the 3 opponents still focused on my friends. The sound of them laying down lots of fire at my friends completely covered for the sounds of my feet and they had zero idea I was there, literally back to back against the same short (maybe 3-4 feet tall) wall they were using as cover.

The game is on an honor system and at this park, they stated that if you're within 10 feet of someone (having flanked them and them being unaware) they don't want you to shoot them, but rather say something like "surrender" and on the honor system essentially the other person should surrender. The idea being that shooting someone from 10 feet away is far more likely to cause them significant damage vs a further distance. A fair rule, and frankly nobody wants to get shot essentially point blank.

There was a referee not far off to the side as I quickly rose from a sitting/squatting position and yelled loudly "surrender" as I suddenly was standing over them with my paintball gun trained on the three of them from about 2 to 6 feet away (they were all clumped together sitting/squatting, rising only to fire through the windows). Instead of raising their hands and calling themselves out as surrendered they started arguing with me that "I" should surrender as if I hadn't just completely got the drop on them.

In complete disbelief I considered firing at them but didn't feel like injuring anyone and thankfully my coworkers/teammates had immediately upon seeing me stand up come running from behind their cover and quickly were standing over the distracted opposing team (who were all facing me to argue) and yelled "SURRENDER" really loudly, shocking the idiots into realizing they had lost.

The ref was laughing and shaking his head, later having a word with our opponents about how stupid they were as I had the complete drop on them and could've easily emptied a bunch of paintballs into each of them before they knew what hit them.

I was no amazing strategist nor player nor shot, but these jackasses with expensive equipment and the absolute advantage in position had forgotten one of if not the most crucial component, to watch their flank.

Post: #38

I figure if you shoot someone and they don't call out a hit immediately you put another 10 shots into them for paintball and airsoft. With airsoft with the gear people are using, they might not actually feel anything if the distance is far enough and if for example they are running and amped up. I was looking more into the guns and some of them can actually shoot accurately up to 350 feet which is pretty impressive however the energy behind the bb wont be as strong the farther out a player gets. The fast paced and close proximity indoor CQB games look really fun and the other player will definitely be feeling the hit though.

In airsoft there are games which can last multiple days that are highly organized with clear objectives over vast fields. I think this is where you get guys who get more into the game and start to adopt their characters more. With these games it definitely helps being in better shape.

Post: #39

(09-12-2018 01:52 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(09-11-2018 09:27 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Paintball teaches you a couple of things right quick that are probably extremely valid in terms of short range real world firefights.

1) You are not fucking fit enough.

<SNIP>

While much of what the rest of what you wrote is valid, the vast majority of paintball matches do not involve some real high level of fitness. Maybe at the highest levels most of the guys are physically fit, but not in the trenches so to speak.

The point about fitness is that the fitter you are, the better able your are to think straight in stressful situations. No one's thinking straight when they're sucking air, hyperventilating when a couple 50m sprints is enough to drop them to their knees.

Besides that the fact that the fitter you are means the longer you can go - this is the chief reason why both sports and military place a premium on fitness (for the military - endurance especially).

Fit body. Fit mind.

G

Post: #40

AIRSOFT AUTISM INTENSIFIES

Post: #41

Played a few rounds of paintball and airsoft post-military. Fun, but there were definitely a few characters who liked to gear whore and would show up in full kit, body armor and all.

It would just remind me of how much I hated wearing all that shit when I was in. Nothing felt better than dumping it off when the day was through on exercise or deployment...and I was just a POG.

Post: #42

(09-13-2018 08:05 AM)Geomann180 Wrote:  The point about fitness is that the fitter you are, the better able your are to think straight in stressful situations. No one's thinking straight when they're sucking air, hyperventilating when a couple 50m sprints is enough to drop them to their knees.

Besides that the fact that the fitter you are means the longer you can go - this is the chief reason why both sports and military place a premium on fitness (for the military - endurance especially).

Fit body. Fit mind.

G

You missed my point. Our resident farmer here and his farmchair quarterbacking was trying to imply that paintball actually requires significant physical fitness which it does not. With rare exception, paintballing doesn't involve even a tiny fraction of the physical fitness you'd be required to have for real world firefights.

A 50m sprint would be a very rare exception in the world of commercial paintball (where the vast amount of paintball goes on) much less multiple 50m sprints. A 50 foot sprint would be more commonplace but a 20 to 30 foot sprint would be far more common.

I'd venture to guess the average non-pro level paintball match (as the pros are far shorter games generally) lasts between 15 and 30 minutes and MOST of the time people are sitting camped out and rarely making advances.

Post: #43

Paintball isn´t difficult.
Airsoft on military simulation base is. When you are at the weekend-long march, you must carry the stuff like you would in real action, beside the ammunition and real bulletproof plates (I believe some do carry it).
The most of the guys, who do this are soldiers anyway.

But at the end, when it comes to physical stuff, you can never compare airsoft to real military. Even though when you are the most milsim and toughest airsofter, you won´t spend doing the stuff more than few days. In military you must face the pain for weeks without having a rest.
Airsoft is also about actually carrying out an operation. You get into firefight rarely or not at all. While military exercise can mean training firefights from early morning until night and that´s absolutely different intensity for you body.

Post: #44

(09-14-2018 08:03 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(09-13-2018 08:05 AM)Geomann180 Wrote:  The point about fitness is that the fitter you are, the better able your are to think straight in stressful situations. No one's thinking straight when they're sucking air, hyperventilating when a couple 50m sprints is enough to drop them to their knees.

Besides that the fact that the fitter you are means the longer you can go - this is the chief reason why both sports and military place a premium on fitness (for the military - endurance especially).

Fit body. Fit mind.

G

You missed my point. Our resident farmer here and his farmchair quarterbacking was trying to imply that paintball actually requires significant physical fitness which it does not. With rare exception, paintballing doesn't involve even a tiny fraction of the physical fitness you'd be required to have for real world firefights.

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Can you point out where I said that?

Or are you just on your period?

Post: #45

If I was doing paintball Id wear the same color clothes as the paint in the ball. Nobody would know if I got shot or not. Thats called being woke. The red pill.

Aloha!

Post: #46

(09-18-2018 05:50 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(09-14-2018 08:03 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  You missed my point. Our resident farmer here and his farmchair quarterbacking was trying to imply that paintball actually requires significant physical fitness which it does not. With rare exception, paintballing doesn't involve even a tiny fraction of the physical fitness you'd be required to have for real world firefights.

...

Can you point out where I said that?

Or are you just on your period?

You stated:

Quote:Paintball teaches you a couple of things right quick that are probably extremely valid in terms of short range real world firefights.

And in the length list you wrote below that statement, you listed not once, not twice, but TEN times the following:

Quote:You are not fucking fit enough.

Post: #47

(09-18-2018 06:00 AM)Kona Wrote:  If I was doing paintball Id wear the same color clothes as the paint in the ball. Nobody would know if I got shot or not. Thats called being woke. The red pill.

Aloha!

Like chicks wearing red pants during that time of the month?

Post: #48

(09-18-2018 12:28 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(09-18-2018 05:50 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(09-14-2018 08:03 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  You missed my point. Our resident farmer here and his farmchair quarterbacking was trying to imply that paintball actually requires significant physical fitness which it does not. With rare exception, paintballing doesn't involve even a tiny fraction of the physical fitness you'd be required to have for real world firefights.

...

Can you point out where I said that?

Or are you just on your period?

You stated:

Quote:Paintball teaches you a couple of things right quick that are probably extremely valid in terms of short range real world firefights.

And in the length list you wrote below that statement, you listed not once, not twice, but TEN times the following:

Quote:You are not fucking fit enough.

Okay, now explain how I inferred that paintball actually brings you up to that level rather than indicating a complete lack of it?

Post: #49

(09-19-2018 07:05 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Okay, now explain how I inferred that paintball actually brings you up to that level rather than indicating a complete lack of it?

Never claimed you stated that it brings you up to that level, simply that you were implying paintball actually requires any significant physical fitness (which it would have to if you state 10 times over that playing it will teach you that you are not fucking fit enough to be in any real firefight situation).

It doesn't. Unless you're completely out of shape/obese, it doesn't require much physical fitness. Most of it is walking or sprinting for a few seconds then minutes of sitting around, anyone not completely out of shape should be able to do it without thinking "I am not fucking fit enough" ten times over. Are there SOME paintball situations where you need to be physically fit? Sure, but the average one is nowhere near physically strenuous like you're implying. I leave you with this as I've called out the bullshit in this thread and am done with it:

Post: #50