Post: #1

DROP ANY & ALL IDEAS ON EARNING MONEY ABROAD

Seriously.
Anything short of Gay for Pay.

I see many young men on this forum in a similar position to myself (I'm 22). That is trapped in some expensive, materialistic, feminist, obese, entitled hell-hole (New England, USA). Some poor b*stards are paying $800+ to rot away in dilapidated ghetto apartments. Other cheapos like myself are surviving in the sex infrequent, soul-sucking existence that comes along with living with parents. I and many others will do ANYTHING to escape.

I traveled South East Asia for less than $500 a month. Us single men don't need much. If I could pull in just $1,000 a month, I'd go all-in and buy that 1-way ticket.

I've been researching/brainstorming/dabbling in different internet earning strategies.
So far that is:

• Smap-ish CPA marketing
  

• Palfish (English teaching app)
  

• Instagram automation business (currently running)
  

• Freelance writing & video editing
  

• English teaching at a 'brick and mortar' school
  

I'm relatively new to internet-income and am not limiting this thread to it. I have no degree (stopped for financial reasons). I enjoy writing, but can't find any work. Personally, I am not really looking for a career, just more of a gig/sh*t job that I can do abroad. I'm hard working, strategic, and in no way am expecting it to be handed to me on a silver platter. I think most men on here with an interest in Game share this take charge attitude. With that said, I know the "pull yourself up by the boot-straps" type of commentary has a way of coming through when any young man complains these days.

I hope this helps men in similar situations, along with men who have escaped and wish to share ideas.


Thanks in advance!

Post: #2

I don’t know much about the other options you listed, but as a writer, I’ll say this.

The global market is fucking saturated with writers. Too many writers!

Just looking for writing gigs isn’t going to cut it. You’ll just get shit gigs from content mills demanding dozens of 1000 word articles for something like $20. That’s no way to live, bro.

Get serious. Get professional. Go big. Start a *real* business, not just a “gig” — not just with writing, same goes for consulting or ecommerce. Or just go with teaching if you don’t want to start a legit business.

Post: #3

If you had searched beforehand you would know there's a freelancing thread with plenty of info, along with a copywriting thread, and ecommerce too. ThisIsTrouble wrote a great datasheet on ecommerce.

Post: #4

(09-09-2018 04:30 PM)chrisblackbeard Wrote:  hell-hole (New England, USA).

New England is not a hell-hole.

Post: #5

I like the enthusiasm, OP.

That said, almost anywhere, on $500 a month, you're probably going to smell bad. Yeah?

Or no?

The visa run trip alone would cut into your budget substantially at a budget that low...seems extreme for what you're suggesting, long term living abroad.

Share the deets.

Post: #6

(09-09-2018 06:41 PM)zoom Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 04:30 PM)chrisblackbeard Wrote:  hell-hole (New England, USA).

New England is not a hell-hole.

No, it's a wonderful place... If you like facade chain restaurants, traffic, overconfident feminist women, snooty people, Red Socks tattoos, passive aggressive arguments etc.
Paradise!

Post: #7

Also, one of the guys on SwoopTheWorld moved to Vietnam with not that much cash in his bank account, started teaching English there, and has been there for a while now, he made it.

Vietnam gives me a very rough/aggressive vibe, and I've seen several people say things along the lines of "lived there, would not live there again," so I've been steering clear, but if I ever decide to go that route, teaching over there is 100% viable if you meet the pre-requisites, just a heads up.

I'm not keen on the thought of driving in the rain on a scooter from one teaching location to another, though. But it's an option, and wifi there can be fine, so online work is also doable.

Post: #8

(09-09-2018 06:58 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  I like the enthusiasm, OP.

That said, almost anywhere, on $500 a month, you're probably going to smell bad. Yeah?

Or no?

The visa run trip alone would cut into your budget substantially at a budget that low...seems extreme for what you're suggesting, long term living abroad.

Share the deets.

I wasn't quite staying at the Ritz-Carlton, but definitely, enough to keep up with personal hygiene!

I don't drink, which is a big saver. That $500 was for travel, not long-term living abroad. I'm sure I could do ~$500 for long-term living abroad, but I wouldn't make the big move unless I was pulling 1,000 a month.

If you'd like, I can send you my petty cash record, that I kept for the 4 months I was there

Post: #9

(09-09-2018 07:06 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  Also, one of the guys on SwoopTheWorld moved to Vietnam with not that much cash in his bank account, started teaching English there, and has been there for a while now, he made it.

Vietnam gives me a very rough/aggressive vibe, and I've seen several people say things along the lines of "lived there, would not live there again," so I've been steering clear, but if I ever decide to go that route, teaching over there is 100% viable if you meet the pre-requisites, just a heads up.

I'm not keen on the thought of driving in the rain on a scooter from one teaching location to another, though. But it's an option, and wifi there can be fine, so online work is also doable.

I have 20k in the bank, but as you can probably tell, I don't like taking it out. Ideally, I'd like to not just be scraping by. Teaching English books up your time and willpower to do other ventures, so I'd like to avoid if possible.

I know when I'm getting laid regularly, happy with life, ideas and opportunities come. That's the main reason I'm so eager to get the hell out of here.

Side note, Vietnam is a rough place, yet I still miss it haha

Post: #10

(09-09-2018 05:49 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  I don’t know much about the other options you listed, but as a writer, I’ll say this.

The global market is fucking saturated with writers. Too many writers!

Just looking for writing gigs isn’t going to cut it. You’ll just get shit gigs from content mills demanding dozens of 1000 word articles for something like $20. That’s no way to live, bro.

Get serious. Get professional. Go big. Start a *real* business, not just a “gig” — not just with writing, same goes for consulting or ecommerce. Or just go with teaching if you don’t want to start a legit business.

(09-09-2018 05:56 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  If you had searched beforehand you would know there's a freelancing thread with plenty of info, along with a copywriting thread, and ecommerce too. ThisIsTrouble wrote a great datasheet on ecommerce.

Thanks for your replies! Cattle Rustler, I did see that freelancing thread. From what I got from scrolling through it, is freelancing is quite difficult to get started and build a base. Like CleanSlate says, it's very saturated. I made this thread for people to share their advice. Anyways, I will definitely check it out a little more in depth.

Post: #11

(09-09-2018 07:24 PM)chrisblackbeard Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 07:06 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  Also, one of the guys on SwoopTheWorld moved to Vietnam with not that much cash in his bank account, started teaching English there, and has been there for a while now, he made it.

Vietnam gives me a very rough/aggressive vibe, and I've seen several people say things along the lines of "lived there, would not live there again," so I've been steering clear, but if I ever decide to go that route, teaching over there is 100% viable if you meet the pre-requisites, just a heads up.

I'm not keen on the thought of driving in the rain on a scooter from one teaching location to another, though. But it's an option, and wifi there can be fine, so online work is also doable.

I have 20k in the bank, but as you can probably tell, I don't like taking it out. Ideally, I'd like to not just be scraping by. Teaching English books up your time and willpower to do other ventures, so I'd like to avoid if possible.

I know when I'm getting laid regularly, happy with life, ideas and opportunities come. That's the main reason I'm so eager to get the hell out of here.

Side note, Vietnam is a rough place, yet I still miss it haha

Agree 100%.

We're in a similar spot, man, except I have an income stream from real estate. My flight leaves in a few weeks, one way, with an open itinerary. Feel free to PM anytime, I'm curious where your journey takes you.

My plan right now is to figure it out once I'm abroad, but I've already made money writing, doing web development, and teaching, as well as in business, so there's plenty of avenues I can pursue. You don't have the luxury of being able to wait until you get there, but it sounds like your mind's set on it, so I can tell you that it's 100% achievable, it's just not easy and will entail a lot of sacrifice.

You'll most likely end up losing friends over this, and it will have a tremendous, domino-effect impact on the rest of your life. So far, I have no regrets. Check out CleanSlate's thread on his journey, it's fantastic. I may make my own thread at some point, since I'm kind of at zero, where you're at, in a way, although in a way not.

I took a look at my life here in the West, and it's not really life, it's more of a whole lot of just existing. It's like here I always want to push the fast forward button, while abroad, I always want to press the slow motion button, to make it last longer, and then rewind, and replay. It's just two completely different realities.

By the way, the fellow that made it in Vietnam, I think he had like $2000 in his bank account when he arrived. But yeah, teaching will be a mental drain.

Keep at it.

Post: #12

You could sell nudes or panties like every other female ‘nomad’, freelancer, long term traveler, etc.

Post: #13

DELETE

Post: #14

(09-09-2018 07:51 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  You could sell nudes or panties like every other female ‘nomad’, freelancer, long term traveler, etc.

That sounds pretty close to Gay for Pay, but not quite. hahah

There certainly is money in beta male thirst! I've experimented with adult CPA marketing, and it really is amazing the levels of loneliness. The problem is, it's very hard to capitalize on it if you are a male, and near impossible if you have any morals.

Post: #15

I'm trying the Instagram thing. Planning to grow an Instagram account in a certain niche and sell merch related to the niche. Probably sell shout outs as well.

Post: #16

(09-10-2018 09:12 AM)MarsBlacc Wrote:  I'm trying the Instagram thing. Planning to grow an Instagram account in a certain niche and sell merch related to the niche. Probably sell shout outs as well.

Why don't you share this idea in your private entrepreneur whatsapp group.

Post: #17

(09-10-2018 09:12 AM)MarsBlacc Wrote:  I'm trying the Instagram thing. Planning to grow an Instagram account in a certain niche and sell merch related to the niche. Probably sell shout outs as well.

Well as someone who is doing it, I wouldn't expect to make crazy money at it. Personally, I don't know anyone who pays for shoutouts. Your best bet is to sell a marketing service for the accounts or build and sell niche accounts. I make less than 100$ a month doing automation. With Instagram's new algorithm, botting is not a very effective way to build followers, while Instagram paid promos are. Most businesses are opting for Instagram paid promos.

Either way, good luck with it, and PM if you'd like more info.

Post: #18

Since you have some cash in the bank, I would go abroad and set yourself up somewhere and live on a very strict budget. You can pursue CPA/affiliate marketing, and your ig marketing. It takes some testing money to learn how to do it but once you know how to piece together a decent campaign and profit, your confidence will grow and with work ethic you can duplicate the process on other offers/products.

I would suggest applying to a few online teaching companies as well, a cheap monthly budget and say $800 a month brought in through teaching online, you won't be as stressed out since you do have income coming in. Dada ABC is a decent company, I have friends on that platform who do around $18+ usd an hour and work a few evenings a week from their condos. There are a huge number of online companies now and the pay is so decent that there is no reason you would need to go teach at an actual school and commute and all that bullshit. Search Facebook for some groups in online teaching as there is a massive amount of info to gain from them.

I would steer clear of freelancing and writing. It's not very scalable compared to affiliate marketing, and you will constantly have to be looking for new clients among the 1000s of other freelancers at the same time as fulfilling the work. It's an ok business model for people with skills already and maybe no budget to work with, but since you have a stash of money I think you have better options. You say you already make $100 a month from instagram marketing, so it seems you know how to make it work, you just need to increase and scale that. Good luck man.

Post: #19

Yes, yes, yes and yes!!! Spaniard88

"I took a look at my life here in the West, and it's not really life, it's more of a whole lot of just existing. It's like here I always want to push the fast forward button, while abroad, I always want to press the slow motion button, to make it last longer, and then rewind, and replay. It's just two completely different realities."

That's the most accurate, hard-hitting description of life here that I have ever heard!

Seriously.

Makes me think, I'm 22, I don't know how old you are, but I know men who live their WHOLE LIVES simply existing and planning for their next move. The 4 months I spend in Asia, I felt alive for the first time. It's hard to explain for someone who is trapped in the western mindset, but I think you really did put it as well as possible. Every day was a blessing. Even the bad ones. The uncomfortable ones

I came back almost 2 years ago now, and my life has been forever changed. I think about how meaningful and exciting my life use to be, if not hourly, daily.

I'm done living in a 'post-Asia world'.

Originally I had this grand plan of grinding away here in the states, buying 3 apartment buildings, then living my life abroad. After tried attempts, failures, and the willpower tank going down to near E, I'm reevaluating. I will simply have to find another way.

In terms of the sacrifices, and "throwing your life away", I say "what life?". I'm throwing my life away by staying here. I look at that video of "Sky King", and it scares me. I can easily see life in the west manifesting itself into a state so lonely and dark, that one wishes to go out in a 'bang'. Or worse, go out in silence. Go out without ever living.

Thank you for your accurate motivating words, and I will definitely keep in touch with you over our journies!

Be well

Post: #20

(09-10-2018 01:50 PM)Kdog Wrote:  Since you have some cash in the bank, I would go abroad and set yourself up somewhere and live on a very strict budget. You can pursue CPA/affiliate marketing, and your ig marketing. It takes some testing money to learn how to do it but once you know how to piece together a decent campaign and profit, your confidence will grow and with work ethic you can duplicate the process on other offers/products.

I would suggest applying to a few online teaching companies as well, a cheap monthly budget and say $800 a month brought in through teaching online, you won't be as stressed out since you do have income coming in. Dada ABC is a decent company, I have friends on that platform who do around $18+ usd an hour and work a few evenings a week from their condos. There are a huge number of online companies now and the pay is so decent that there is no reason you would need to go teach at an actual school and commute and all that bullshit. Search Facebook for some groups in online teaching as there is a massive amount of info to gain from them.

I would steer clear of freelancing and writing. It's not very scalable compared to affiliate marketing, and you will constantly have to be looking for new clients among the 1000s of other freelancers at the same time as fulfilling the work. It's an ok business model for people with skills already and maybe no budget to work with, but since you have a stash of money I think you have better options. You say you already make $100 a month from instagram marketing, so it seems you know how to make it work, you just need to increase and scale that. Good luck man.

Very detailed, helpful response!

I will definitely check out Dada ABC, as well as those said facebook groups!

My experience in Affiliate marketing is really none. I messed around in some dating service signup marketing, but that went nowhere. My Instagram business revolves around automating others Instagrams. As you can probably imagine, paying customers are hard to come by, especially due to these new algorithms.

I'll admit the factor keeping me from buying the one-way ticket and jumping in is fear. I've never been able to live above my means, and really never went through a period of my life where I wasn't saving.

That means the next step is checking out some online teaching income, and find the balls to risk my precious shekels!

Thanks for the valuable info.

Be well!

Post: #21

(09-10-2018 08:35 PM)chrisblackbeard Wrote:  Makes me think, I'm 22, I don't know how old you are, but I know men who live their WHOLE LIVES simply existing and planning for their next move. The 4 months I spend in Asia, I felt alive for the first time. It's hard to explain for someone who is trapped in the western mindset, but I think you really did put it as well as possible. Every day was a blessing. Even the bad ones. The uncomfortable ones

I came back almost 2 years ago now, and my life has been forever changed. I think about how meaningful and exciting my life use to be, if not hourly, daily.

Ditto.

(09-10-2018 08:35 PM)chrisblackbeard Wrote:  Thank you for your accurate motivating words, and I will definitely keep in touch with you over our journies!

Be well

Likewise, man.

Post: #22

Do you have a camera? if you don't I'd use part of that 20k and invest in one and start doing video content for Youtube, IG and possibly your own blog. You'll go as far as your imagination takes you.

Post: #23

I live in the Philippines and I do affiliate marketing. I don't make enough to live comfortably in a tier 1 country. But in the Philippines a couple thousand bucks can go a long way.

Post: #24

There are a lot of options and opportunities. It is important to see them.

Post: #25

(09-09-2018 07:51 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  You could sell nudes or panties like every other female ‘nomad’, freelancer, long term traveler, etc.

Sell nudes or panties of the girls you bang (consented of course).

Now you have a lifestyle business.