Post: #26

(07-22-2018 10:19 AM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  

(07-22-2018 08:32 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  I feel like the guys saying "girls only pull phones out on a date if you are boring" aren't going on the same amount of dates with young girls all around the world as some us are.

Glancing over the thread its low post noobs claiming this...

Low post Noob here -depends on the context I'd say:
>> There is a difference between checking her phone and having a text conversation on her phone vs. just checking her messages.
>> There is a difference when you are having a conversation and she interrupts you because someone pings her, and if you are for example driving somewhere and she wants to play on her phone.

I've been out with lots of girls under 25 and they generally are not pulling their phone out too much. Bottom line is - you don't want a phone addict, she is collecting her insta likes and can't enjoy the moment.

I agree there is a difference between checking a message, scrolling Instagram, having a conversation via text, ect.... For the most part unless there is some serious matter taking place on that phone I'm not ok with any of it.

An for me personally I'm not saying every girl I'm on a date yanks out their phone from boredom. However if you go on enough dates there will eventually be a few that can't seem to not check their phone... specially in Asia.

So when I say I've ended a few dates cause of girls on their phone and then some kids wanna chime in about "Girls never check their phone when they are with me" "If you were interesting maybe they wouldn't be on their phones" type shit.... I'm gonna speak up.

Your post and rebuttals in this thread are reasonable an mostly agreeable. I just skimmed this thread an I recall there being another low post member making a more derogatory post which is mainly why I chimed in.

Post: #27

Social media for girls is the same as porn for guys. Especially in our current modern society.

That's what the porn industry is there for, to create a false illusion of accomplishment masturbating to 2 people having sex in front of you. An artificial dopamine fix to your brain. Porn tricks the brain into thinking we have increased our notch count or achieved success with women when in reality we're looking at a 2D screen of pixels moving.

The feeling of sitting in your chair with an empty feeling of "why did i watch this" or when you're looking at wtf you're watching after your nut, and see the reflection of your sad face as your computer screen fades to black. Sounds familiar?

It fucks you up. Like guys resort to porn to fulfill their lack of progress with women, they use it to fill the void inside of them.

Imagine all the girls on dating sites nowadays like Tinder etc. How inflated their market value is after all these betas orbiters and virgins hitting them up for hookups. 4-5's thinking they are 7-8's because of the massive attention they're getting on social platforms, that they would never ever get in real life. Instagram is the worst case scenario.

Every time i've met a girl through tinder, i've always been slightly dissappointed in the way she actually looked in real life, compared to on her pictures. Without those angles, that perfect lighting and that perfect makeup. This was a wake up call for me and i started deducting 1-2 points for each and every girl i saw on dating apps, to not get fucked over once i saw her in real life.

I remember i saw a study done where it showed a correlation between the need to post on social media and the level of self-love and insecurity. The need for constant validation and attention. You wouldn't believe me if i told you this, but some of these Instagram models with thousands of followers are some of the most insecure and attention seeking whores you'll ever meet in real life.

Posting a picture and getting bombarded by hungry virgins spitting compliments and flooding you with likes.

This is why i stopped dating girls that are attention seeking and spend too much time on social media. Girls who lack validation are usually the most insecure ones. If a girl knows her true value she won't post useless pictures on social media every day for recognition.

There was this interview with 2 girls about social media where they said this.

Girl 1. “Social media is destroying our lives”
“So why don’t you go off it?” The interviewer asked
Girl 2. “Because then we would have no life"

It's sad. I wonder if there's anything to be done about this. I have always made sure to tell my girl straight away that i won't bother keeping up the conversation if she randomly has to whip out her phone every now and then. Very good advice semibaron, i've always used your method and it works. Something else that have worked for me is teasing her about it saying "Helloooo? Calling Ms. virtual (insert her name here). Are you in the virtual world or the real world right now. If you wanna be in my world, put that phone away, you can get back to your virtual world when im not around". I mostly get a positive response, a laugh or they get conscious once you've emphasized on it a time or two.

They say technology and social media have made us more connected than ever to each other, but if you ask me i say it's the quite opposite. Everyone is living in their own little virtual bubble nowadays that it's hard finding a non-superficial relationship or a quality girl these days. At least in the westernized part of the world. It makes sense now why people are traveling abroad to explore different options when all they currently see are either feminists, narcissists, obese or SJW girls.

I read some time ago an article about how EASY day game was back 15 years ago, because girls didn't have that constant validation and offer from white knights on the internet. That a girl would actually be genuinely surprised and happy for the compliments you give her when you approach her on the street. Now, what happened? The PUA community boot camps shattered this very thing along with the birth and popularization of social media. It's a shame, you'd wish you were born in a different generation when you think about these things. I still do believe day game works, and it might be the best solution to the new wave of social media addiction. You could separate yourself from the 99% guys that are purely 'approaching' online. But is the return of investment worth it.

Post: #28

(07-28-2018 11:32 AM)firat113 Wrote:  Social media for girls is the same as porn for guys.

Great post and I love the comparison. Modern life seems to revolve around reducing discomfort and making everything easy. These shortcuts have consequences and we are in the early stages of finding out what they are.

Post: #29

Very Good post, man. I had a LTR with a phone addicted girl and It didn't end well because She prefered to spend a lot of time on Facebook.
I told her many times to put the phone away, but her friends' post were more important, so we split up.
I have to mention that i use Facebook and Instagram only for business for about 10-20 minutes per day.
For the rest of the people, If Your number îs not on my phone, you're not so important for me.

Post: #30

(07-21-2018 01:35 PM)DaveR Wrote:  Another one that does wonders: make her delete her instagram page.

I did that with my wife. although she wasn't active there I told her I want to protect our couple for superficial posts she may see.
She doesnt miss anything anymore there.

Post: #31

All girls will have instagram/facebook/etc.. it's part of our culture nowadays...
I don't think having them delete those is a good idea, since it will give them an opportunity to open one again and again and again thus wiring her brain so that the dopamine effect is greater.
To my opinion it comes down to respect and importance shown to the everyday life, interactions and really being social versus immersing into the fake virtual world that social media provides.
Show her that you respect more the former and if she is keen to the latter then by all means kick her out or take her phone if you're in a LTR with her. If she doesn't understand and sees this as a rude move then she doesn't deserve your attention!
It has nothing to do with frame or feeling insecure...it has to do with your standards!
Cheers

Post: #32

(07-22-2018 08:32 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  I feel like the guys saying "girls only pull phones out on a date if you are boring" aren't going on the same amount of dates with young girls all around the world as some us are.

Glancing over the thread its low post noobs claiming this...

I agree with this post. This feels like an inexperienced thread. Maybe I've just spent too much time in Asia so I expect girls to be glued to their phones. I can't say that a girl being on her phone has ever prevented me from getting laid.

But the real question is, how many times a day are guys in this thread checking their phones? Smart phones are equally as addicting for men and women.

Post: #33

Beta problem for sure. If you are having that problem just next all the girls that do what you don't like. To many women and I'm sure Top Notch guys want have that experience as much. Work on thyself and your problem will be erased.

Post: #34

(07-21-2018 12:57 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  I've kicked hoes out off first dates before when they are using their phones too much after I politely tell them not to. You aint ever seen such a baffled look on a hoes face then when you tell them the date is over.... clearly it was the first time for them having someone cancel mid date.

I'd rather go home and fap then to sit across from some disrespectful hoe playing on her phone in my presence.

Same. I blew a girl out of a date a bar when she wouldn't stop texting on her phone. I warned/teased her once and she wouldn't let up so I told her that was pretty disrespectful and she's welcomed to leave. The look on her face reminded of the oldschool Windows error message sound. I was like I crashed her system and she froze up with a goofy look on her face, then just grabbed her shit and left without saying a word.

(07-28-2018 11:32 AM)firat113 Wrote:  Social media for girls is the same as porn for guys. Especially in our current modern society.

You watch porn on your phone when sitting in a booth in a restaurant with all your homies?

Post: #35

Idk about ya'll but I've never really had to experience this.

I think maybe once or twice when I was first into game, but here's things that help on the first date or few:

-Solid frame/game
-Strong eye contact
-Building a conversation and rolling that into a few pointed questions while she talks.

Scenario I've used to PREEMPT a girl being on her phone:

-Start a new convo with a joke saying that well, I'm here past 15 minutes on our date which is good (Bait)
-This grabs her interest immediately (validation) she asks what happened.
-Tell her a girl was flirting with me (but on her phone) - me being the sarcastic asshole teased her (pressed buttons, grabbed her phone)
-I go to the bathroom, she's on her phone, she goes to the bathroom, bartender friend gives me a nod, I give him one back, he splits the tab, I close out, she comes back from the bathroom, realizes I'm leaving, she asks if she's calling, I say no, Im tired, and bounce
-She sends an angry essay, I reply "k", angry essay, a week later she apologizes, but I block her number

You guys obviously get the point, I've used this a few times as just a funny story that's happened to me before.


Easier scenario:

-Reply to plates, your girl, whoever via text.
-Leave your phone on the table, face side up, with the sound on, let it ring.
-"Whoops -give her a stare, I HATE when people are on their phones when talking face to face"
-Put your phone away

Your point gets across very cool and simply.



But let's be real, you shouldn't be having to use those scenarios on hoes that ARE ALREADY OUT WITH YOU.

If this bitch is out with you, she's interested, it you're job to KEEP her ass interested, laughing, smiling, touching, instead of being on her phone.


Younger girls definitely are on their phones, it's the culture, so PREEMPT a hoe from being on her phone, and game accordingly.

One tip: Keep a date interactive and not sitting - go shoot pool, darts, bowl, go for a walk, etc.


For girls you're banging on the regular or dating:
-Tell her "next person who picks up their phone pays the tab".
-Put your phone on top of hers - "now they're fucking just like us"
-Tell her, "your electronic girlfriend can wait"
-Grab her phone, put it in her purse -use a shit eating grin-

I'm literally thinking on the fly right now, but it's easy to avoid electronic interference.

Post: #36

I'm not some player genius but I've had to tell a girl to put her phone away on a date. If a girl is all her phone all the time on a date, that's probably a good sign that it's not going to well.

To add to the Kaotic's post, which is excellent...If this is happening frequently to you, I would work on your conversation skills and humor. In the age of tinder, girls expect constant excitement. Storytelling is also important and frankly, that comes with experience because you need to live a little to have stories. I always tell my travel stories on dates. Some hoes get jealous but most find them fascinating.

Post: #37

While on dates I usually get texts from other plates/leads that go unanswered because I focus on the girl in front on me. But when a date checks her phone, I whip out mine and work other leads right in front of her.

Usually, by the time she's done with her thing, I'm still not done with my thing. So now she's the one staring at me being rude. Most of the time they ask if I'm texting other girls, they even get curious and want to peek at my screen.

At this point I propose we both put our phones away and talk like normal people, to which they always agree. Most keep their word.

A few can't help themselves, but I just ignore the bad behavior and game other girls during the interruptions, making a mental note there won't be a second date even if there's smashing at the end of this one.

Post: #38

I remember two specific times I've asked a chick to put her phone away. Once I just simply said "Put that thing away immediately" and her response was "I love it when you boss me around" - and she put it away.

A few weeks ago I did it with a new plate. I came out of the shower to see her on her bed checking her phone. I simply clicked my fingers and said "no phone". She immediately put it away.

I'm not that bothered if a chick checks her phone in front of me (so long as it's not a first date) but I like using it as a way to test her compliance.

Try it.

Post: #39

When I was dating, at the very start of a date, I'd take my phone out, set it to silent, put it away and say something like "so that nobody interrupts us" with a smile. Maybe I was just lucky at picking my dates, but every girl responded to that very positively and followed my lead. If they had not, I'd likely have left early.

With my wife, I've already set the rules early on so that we have zero phone contact for certain things e.g none when we're eating or going out. Generally though she's busy doing things that she doesn't use the phone too much, and if I need to, I simply tell her to put the phone away.