Post: #26

(07-01-2018 10:08 PM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  What is a leftist conservative? The guy is not a conservative, he is a leftist.

Perhaps, if I understand correctly,"socialist nationalist" would be a better descriptor. Or nationalist-socialist, if you will. Nationalist-Soc... wait a minute...

Post: #27

(07-02-2018 10:23 AM)Hell_Is_Like_Newark Wrote:  

(07-01-2018 11:14 PM)rpg Wrote:  When the Peso crashes hard it is going to be a disaster of epic proportions.

The United States bailed out Mexico in 1982 and again in 1995. The money loaned to Mexico in 1995 was almost enough to buy up every single Mexican Peso in circulation at the time.

The next time around, given the massive debt situation in the USA and our current, more nationalist orientated administration, there might not be a bailout.

The USA didn't bailout Mexico but Goldman Sachs, we never saw a damn dollar. Next time around the one needing a bailout will be the USA.

Post: #28

Mexico will return to its 3rd world status as soon as NAFTA is shredded and the wall is built.

The only thing keeping Mexico afloat was sucking manufacturing jobs out of USA and illegal immigrant remittances.

Post: #29

(07-02-2018 11:04 AM)Enoch Wrote:  Mexico will return to its 3rd world status as soon as NAFTA is shredded and the wall is built.

The only thing keeping Mexico afloat was sucking manufacturing jobs out of USA and illegal immigrant remittances.

What? I never knew Mexico left its 3rd World status when it joined NAFTA. I would appreciate If you can show me where the millions of manufacturing jobs Mexico sucked from the USA all these years are, maybe I can apply for one.

Post: #30

(07-02-2018 09:08 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  snip

Funny to see the lefties down here also celebrating for AMLO. The tragicomic part are the chupacirios of the PES joining AMLO.

Post: #31

A socialist working?

Hmmm.

Suspicious!

(07-02-2018 11:10 AM)Luvianka Wrote:  

(07-02-2018 11:04 AM)Enoch Wrote:  Mexico will return to its 3rd world status as soon as NAFTA is shredded and the wall is built.

The only thing keeping Mexico afloat was sucking manufacturing jobs out of USA and illegal immigrant remittances.

What? I never knew Mexico left its 3rd World status when it joined NAFTA. I would appreciate If you can show me where the millions of manufacturing jobs Mexico sucked from the USA all these years are, maybe I can apply for one.

Post: #32

(07-02-2018 11:10 AM)Luvianka Wrote:  

(07-02-2018 11:04 AM)Enoch Wrote:  Mexico will return to its 3rd world status as soon as NAFTA is shredded and the wall is built.

The only thing keeping Mexico afloat was sucking manufacturing jobs out of USA and illegal immigrant remittances.

What? I never knew Mexico left its 3rd World status when it joined NAFTA. I would appreciate If you can show me where the millions of manufacturing jobs Mexico sucked from the USA all these years are, maybe I can apply for one.

Even HuffPo recognized US job loss due to NAFTA

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/lori-wall...50207.html

Post: #33

I don't understand the controversy, it's pure economics. You make it easier for companies to go to another, nearby country, and recrute ample and much cheaper workers, they will! You make it harder for them to go or make it more profitable for them to stay, like Trump has, in many cases they won't!

Post: #34

(07-02-2018 11:10 AM)Luvianka Wrote:  

(07-02-2018 11:04 AM)Enoch Wrote:  Mexico will return to its 3rd world status as soon as NAFTA is shredded and the wall is built.

The only thing keeping Mexico afloat was sucking manufacturing jobs out of USA and illegal immigrant remittances.

What? I never knew Mexico left its 3rd World status when it joined NAFTA. I would appreciate If you can show me where the millions of manufacturing jobs Mexico sucked from the USA all these years are, maybe I can apply for one.

Dude, Mexico had never left 3rd World status. I mean it's not like India or Africa level but it's still what I would consider 3rd world.

Mexico City has its pockets of extreme wealth and nice areas as do many of Mexico's northern areas and beach cities. Uruguay, Argentina, Chile, and even southern Brazil blow Mexico out of the water in terms of quality of life, safety. The economy in Argentina and Brazil suck balls.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Argentina at least doesn't have massive kidnappings, massive amounts of political assassinations, a massive extremely violent crime syndicates, etc.

I honestly hope that this guy may be able to do some good. I will admit that NAFTA really did fuck over a lot of Mexican farmers and local economies which did cause severe economic problems for them. I'm a Nationalist but not blind to the fact that our and Mexico's ruling class/oligarchs have really only been the beneficiaries of NAFTA.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but I've lived in Mexico and this was the impression that I got.

Post: #35

Have you considered the possibility that creating a failed state was the goal of the US elite??

Post: #36

(07-02-2018 12:13 PM)Bill Brasky Wrote:  

(07-02-2018 11:10 AM)Luvianka Wrote:  

(07-02-2018 11:04 AM)Enoch Wrote:  Mexico will return to its 3rd world status as soon as NAFTA is shredded and the wall is built.

The only thing keeping Mexico afloat was sucking manufacturing jobs out of USA and illegal immigrant remittances.

What? I never knew Mexico left its 3rd World status when it joined NAFTA. I would appreciate If you can show me where the millions of manufacturing jobs Mexico sucked from the USA all these years are, maybe I can apply for one.

Dude, Mexico had never left 3rd World status. I mean it's not like India or Africa level but it's still what I would consider 3rd world.

Mexico City has its pockets of extreme wealth and nice areas as do many of Mexico's northern areas and beach cities. Uruguay, Argentina, Chile, and even southern Brazil blow Mexico out of the water in terms of quality of life, safety. The economy in Argentina and Brazil suck balls.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Argentina at least doesn't have massive kidnappings, massive amounts of political assassinations, a massive extremely violent crime syndicates, etc.

I honestly hope that this guy may be able to do some good. I will admit that NAFTA really did fuck over a lot of Mexican farmers and local economies which did cause severe economic problems for them. I'm a Nationalist but not blind to the fact that our and Mexico's ruling class/oligarchs have really only been the beneficiaries of NAFTA.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but I've lived in Mexico and this was the impression that I got.

You are goddamn right!

Post: #37

Btw, after the US and Canada, and some small Caribbean countries, Chile Panama and Uruguay, Mexico has the highest per capital GDP of any country in the Western Hemisphere. US is 20th, Mexico 90th/228. You can call that third world but it’s better than more than half

Post: #38

I dont hold any chance of success for this guy when he has already shown his colours. The cartel and crime problem is a symptom of the people, not the country and a country is built by its people.

Remove the current cartels and whats left? Corrupt politicians will always need their handy men to carry out murders and to ship drugs because the US and Europe are huge importers of narcotics.

Ultra violence has passed the line over 2 decades ago now so theres no going back from that because it is normalised amongst the criminals.

Until they start executing cartels and anyone associated with the drug trade on sight, including politicians, the police, even the military then its just a case of how long until large numbers see no hope but look at the safety of the US.

Clocks ticking. Either sort the problem now or face bigger problems down the line.

Post: #39

(07-02-2018 12:32 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  I dont hold any chance of success for this guy when he has already shown his colours. The cartel and crime problem is a symptom of the people, not the country and a country is built by its people.

Remove the current cartels and whats left? Corrupt politicians will always need their handy men to carry out murders and to ship drugs because the US and Europe are huge importers of narcotics.

Ultra violence has passed the line over 2 decades ago now so theres no going back from that because it is normalised amongst the criminals.

Until they start executing cartels and anyone associated with the drug trade on sight, including politicians, the police, even the military then its just a case of how long until large numbers see no hope but look at the safety of the US.

Clocks ticking. Either sort the problem now or face bigger problems down the line.

I'm not a Mexico apologist. I'm very well aware of a deep cultural issue with corruption, the population's overall passivity to that corruption (the Mexican Catholic Church plays a large role in this).

Like I also mentioned, there is not an affinity for cleanliness and order. There is a massive issue on a population level with lying, even about the smallest and stupidest of shit. This dishonestly "trickles up" which is why the gov in Mexico is rated as one of the most corrupt.

IQ level also plays a large role. Yes, I'm very aware that there are many Mexicans with very high IQs. But the extremes do not matter. It's the average. That's all that matters. And as we have seen, the US and Western Europe have been experiencing a steady decline in AVERAGE IQ with the effects of mass immigration of 3rd world populations.

However, I'll also admit that the US has done its part as well. We are just one of the variables thrown into the mix and the only variable over which I may have some control by way of voting. The cartels exist because of the massive amounts of money coming in. The money combined with lower IQs, combined with a population level dishonesty, combined with the Aztec history of violence and mutilation of enemies create the current state of Mexico.

I'm all for Singapore style capital punishment for drug offenses or a complete legalization of ALL drugs. This will cut off the massive profits for the cartels and encourage more local economic development combined with the abolition of NAFTA.

Post: #40

Being dishonest and corrupt are sinful behaviour in the Catholic Church. As for the complicity of the church in corruption and the child abuse cases made prominent in the states, they should be held accountable.
I don't see how the whole church in Mexico is held accountable to a few who are corrupt as many priests are killed, kidnapped or muzzled from preaching against the ills of society on fear of reprisal.
The world has a new religion and its leader is money. Money has corrupted mexican leaders.

Post: #41

(07-02-2018 03:31 PM)tomtud Wrote:  Being dishonest and corrupt are sinful behaviour in the Catholic Church. As for the complicity of the church in corruption and the child abuse cases made prominent in the states, they should be held accountable.
I don't see how the whole church in Mexico is held accountable to a few who are corrupt as many priests are killed, kidnapped or muzzled from preaching against the ills of society on fear of reprisal.
The world has a new religion and its leader is money. Money has corrupted mexican leaders.

I never once indicated that the whole church was corrupt. I also never mentioned anything about child abuse.

Priests have in many cases been great leaders in Mexican society for a long time. Many hold exalted status long after they die.

However, I did notice this fatalistic approach to life amongst many Catholics in Mexico. Many in the Catholic Church preach the don’t bother fixing anything, suffer now and have eternal life after death. I believe that this encourages the enter beggar class in Mexico. It’s pitiful.

I say this being born and raised Catholic.

Post: #42

@ Bill.

You can legalise drugs all you want but there will always be an illegal narcotics trade. It is merely a symptom of deeper problems, of which I doubt we can solve with our current way of thinking.

Post: #43

I was partying with a bunch of hot Mexican fresas last night. They are up here looking for husbands who "are not weak men".

No joke, their dads are already sending their kids away to safe places, along with a good amount of wealth. These girls are wealthy and looking for real estate to go along with their Albertan husbands.

Post: #44

(07-02-2018 05:10 PM)Laner Wrote:  I was partying with a bunch of hot Mexican fresas last night. They are up here looking for husbands who "are not weak men".

No joke, their dads are already sending their kids away to safe places, along with a good amount of wealth. These girls are wealthy and looking for real estate to go along with their Albertan husbands.

Well shit, now I know where I need to go on my days off.

Ironically most Mexican fresas put "don't want a macho man" on their profiles in the US...they want gringo soyboys.

Post: #45

Don't forget that online profile descriptions are mostly phoney. What a woman says or does are two different things.

Post: #46

(07-02-2018 05:15 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

(07-02-2018 05:10 PM)Laner Wrote:  I was partying with a bunch of hot Mexican fresas last night. They are up here looking for husbands who "are not weak men".

No joke, their dads are already sending their kids away to safe places, along with a good amount of wealth. These girls are wealthy and looking for real estate to go along with their Albertan husbands.

Well shit, now I know where I need to go on my days off.

Ironically most Mexican fresas put "don't want a macho man" on their profiles in the US...they want gringo soyboys.

Macho Sinaloa is a bit different than Macho Alberta.

Women, they really are all the same.

Post: #47

(07-01-2018 09:11 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  It happened! Mexican leftist-conservative Andrés Manuel López Obrador just won the Presidential Mexican elections in a landslide by securing 52%

The National Renaissance Movement, MORENA; creating a solid electoral base from scratch under a very simple principle -fighting corruption and to put an end to the criminal violence the country is suffering because of Mexico playing ball with the American Government in the so called ‘drug wars’.

Yes, he has a leftist economic agenda, but the most radical issues he held in other years are gone.

Trust me, most people are hoping that Mexico get's it's shit together. First, we need them to hold and detain the waves of Central Americans trying to sneak into the US illegally. Mexican authorities can put them into worker camps, prostitute the children or just butt fuck them to death and nobody will ever give a shit.

A stable wealthy Mexico would be a great neighbor to have. However, I have deep reservations as to whether this particular president can achieve any of that.

So, a lot of people here will tell you that leftist economics don't work. That's not entirely true... they can work if applied properly. Moderate doses of socialism work well in advanced wealthy economies. When employment is nearly 100% raising the minimum wage can help some people. When unemployment is high... 10% or so... raising the minimum wage is flat out stupid.

Latin America has a long history of attempting to institute socialist policies without regards to whether it's the right time or place. The result is economies that constantly collapse like Venezuela, or Cuba... or fuck all of them... Argentina being one of the dumbest.

Obrador's coalition relies heavily on the poorest and dumbest of Mexico. He must appease these folks or face electoral failure. Unlike America where poor people want jobs... this is Latin America where poor people expect free shit. I don't have much hope.

(07-02-2018 03:07 AM)Batka Wrote:  Many on here are saying "build the wall", but will that stop the mass migration northwards?
The US has for decades, directly interfered both overt and covert not to mention plunder many Latin American countries in order to keep them weak and onside. Any ruler who bucked the neo-liberal, neo-imperial trend - Allende, Arbenz, Ortega, Castro, Chavez, Sandino etc. either got taken out by a coup, assassinated or got sanctions slapped on them.

Those are all socialist idiots.

You know what the best thing about South American socialism? Every time one of these clowns takes control and burns the countries economy to the ground it becomes a pussy paradise for Americans. I've got a couple buddies right now fucking bitches in Venezuela that would never have even looked at them 10 years ago.

Post: #48

It'll be fun to see all those jobs come back home when he decides to nationalize the automotive plants.

Post: #49

(07-02-2018 11:10 AM)Luvianka Wrote:  

(07-02-2018 11:04 AM)Enoch Wrote:  Mexico will return to its 3rd world status as soon as NAFTA is shredded and the wall is built.

The only thing keeping Mexico afloat was sucking manufacturing jobs out of USA and illegal immigrant remittances.

What? I never knew Mexico left its 3rd World status when it joined NAFTA. I would appreciate If you can show me where the millions of manufacturing jobs Mexico sucked from the USA all these years are, maybe I can apply for one.

19 car manufacturing plants producing mostly for the US market:

Quote:Company Plants Products
Chrysler 3 Engines, RAM, Promaster, Journey, Fiat 500
Ford 3 Fiesta, Fusion, MKZ, Hybrids, Engines, Foundry
GM 4 Cheyenne, Silverado, Sierra, Aveo, Trax, and others. Engines and transmissions
Mazda 1 Mazda 3
Honda 2 CR-V, Fit
Nissan 3 Pickups, Frontier, Tsuru, Tiida, NV200, YorkTaxi, Versa, others
Toyota 1 Tacoma
Volkswagen 2 Beetle, Classic, TDI, Jetta, Golf, High tech engines

https://offshoregroup.com/industries/aut...in-mexico/

NAFTA was likely also no help for the Mexican economy since food and various Mexico-produced products also got clobbered by the US economy. NAFTA could have only included Canada.

But the union of the entire Americas was predicted by globalist Marx already - it wasn't Bill Clinton's idea.

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As for the topic at hand - 140+ politicians were killed in the recent 2 years in Mexico. Those were people who opposed the cartel-globalist-elite status quo. Luvianka's dad would have likely been killed in our times.

I would say that we should wait and see with this candidate. I personally don't think that he is truly detached from the current elite and cartel stronghold. We shall see - Mexico will turn for the worse anyway.

I said it a few times, but the only way to start reform South of the border is to legalize cocaine in the US or best worldwide, then move hard with the military against the cartels. After a time things would quiet down.

All those reformers miss the fact that the West was built on free economies coupled with strong unions and thus higher wages and perks. It wasn't built on socialism, but on capitalism, free markets AND GOOD LABOR POLICIES. Many South and Central American countries go overboard either with one or the other - it's either a libertarian nightmare of shoeless shoe-factory-workers or outright communists with not much in between.

Post: #50

(07-02-2018 03:07 AM)Batka Wrote:  Mexico has some very pressing issues to solve and Obrador must waste no time. Obviously there is the friction between Mexico and its more powerful northern neighbour, Trump's US. Many on here are saying "build the wall", but will that stop the mass migration northwards? I'm afraid it won't as desperate people will resort to desperate measures in order to better their lives to escape their "shitholes". Why are they shitholes? Well in order to get to the crux of the issue, we must look at underlying causes. Just pick up a history book to find out why. The US has for decades, directly interfered both overt and covert not to mention plunder many Latin American countries in order to keep them weak and onside. Any ruler who bucked the neo-liberal, neo-imperial trend - Allende, Arbenz, Ortega, Castro, Chavez, Sandino etc. either got taken out by a coup, assassinated or got sanctions slapped on them.

If someone starts their self-improvement journey by blaming others, then they will never improve. The idea that the US is to blame for South America's woes is laughable. The countries are fucked up because the people are fucked up. It is that simple. The USA had plenty of obstacles in its way - they overcame them and pulled itself up by its own bootstraps.

If you want to know who to blame for your problems, look in the mirror.

Quote:Another factor that led to the mass influx was NAFTA. NAFTA, the brainchild of war criminal Bill Clinton utterly destroyed many Central American economies, Mexico included. Cheap US products flooded the markets forcing many Mexicans and others from the central American states to abandon their livelihoods, especially many peasant farmers and head north in search of work. These factors have been driving the mass migration north. The same can be said with North Africa and Europe, except the wars of aggression against Libya, Syria and Iraq which have destabalised the Middle East.

Mexico has benefited tremendously from NAFTA. Their trade balance with the USA is massive, over 100 billion a year. You're telling me NAFTA is to blame? I have to seriously question your ability to judge things if you believe this.

Quote:If we are to halt this mass movement of people, we need to tackle the underlying problems and that means a complete sea change of policy and group-think north of the Rio Grande. Spending billions on a wall won't hold back those who are desperate to make a better life. Scrapping NAFTA will be a route in the right direction. Obrador's election is a good start to making that happen and making Mexico great again in order to stem the human tide. I wish him the best of luck. He's gonna need it, a lot of it.

Obrador is the next Hugo Chavez of Mexico. Take it to the bank. He's going to return Mexico to days of violence not seen since the Aztecs.

The only way to fix Mexico, or any other Latin American dump, is by brute force. The USA would need to militarily invade, and colonize the lands, as the Spanish once did. The current crop of people running the countries have no idea what they are doing. They need to be ruled from above for at least 2 generations before the people there can unfuck themselves.

Now why would the people of the USA want to do such an ungrateful act? Would the Mexicans, or any other South American people, appreciate such an act? Of course not. They think they know it all.

So, fuck 'em. Build the wall and wait until they are begging for salvation. I want to see massive refugee cities spring up next to the American wall, where American citizens can throw food down to the masses as acts of good charity. Once the population of these camps become around 10-20 million we can organize an army with them and conquer Mexico with their own refugees. Afterwards we can rule Mexico as a puppet state until it's functional like Germany or Japan.

That's how American needs to handle the South American morons who can't run a country to save their lives. They literally cannot do it, which is why the violence and starvation is so bad.