Post: #26

(06-19-2018 01:35 PM)petburi Wrote:  coming back to Ukraine from SEA definitely feels like a much more effort for similar results.

From your experience, guys, how many dates before bang needs to happen in Ukraine on average?

Are SNL happen often in Ukraine or it's an exception rather then rule?

In SEA I got poor results because I was attracted to a very small percentage of girls, in Ukraine I do better because I like Slavic women and I am well received by them.

It takes 3 dates approx to get laid, no biggie if you are dating a handful of girls.

SNL comes rarely, even with the lower quality girls. Your best chance of banging a hotty from a club is getting her drunk, otherwise your chances are slim

Post: #27

(06-19-2018 05:14 AM)superschalk Wrote:  One thing I don`t get about the forum is general that people over at the everything else section complain about feminism and women getting more and more independent and less feminine. On the other hand guys complain about gold diggers. I know gold digging is a bit more extreme but how could you expect that women are still feminine, dress sexy while splitting bills on dates and financing their whole lifestyle themselves while giving u unlimited sex at the same time.

Don't disagree with you at all. There are some good girls there, just stating that the BS is a job in itself to screen. I would never split a bill with a girl in any city in the world and I think it's laughable that guy's expect to. I was mostly referring to the girls who straight up want $ for sex and the girls who will waste your time going out to lunch (or drinks where they order food in russian and you don't know until it comes). I don't even care about the $ because its crazy cheap. I consider my time very valuable and when that happens more than half the time and they have no intentions of doing anything other than scamming a free meal it ruins my chances with a better girl by spending 2 hours with her. I agree with your IG statement as well, I got 2 of my bangs from IG in Ukraine, as bad as it is for the dating market you have to adapt or get left behind.

Post: #28

(06-19-2018 10:19 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 08:37 AM)DT94 Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 08:17 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:31 AM)DT94 Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 03:30 AM)Tintin Wrote:  You should make a friend in a phone shop, take a girl there and get your friend to say that it's not in stock, but that it will come tomorrow. Then you fuck her, friend gives you your money back and you disappear

I do not get if you are mocking or serious but anyway , i show you some respect and answer in serious manner.
Sorry man . Ukrainian women are not that stupid .She would demand the cash or buy another available model if i did that.I am afraid i would get into trouble if i promised her that and did not honor my word ( which does not fit my personality above all ).She knew where i stayed therefore she could get me beaten.I heard a lot of such stories , guys deceiving girls and getting beaten by Ukrainian guys.Even Turkish men having easy lays with Ukrainian scammers in Turkey , the girl rips them off their money or precious materials and escape to Ukraine.At this point you need to let it go , if you go after her , you get beaten.Guys should not be that stupid but no shit. In the end Ukraine is a 3rd world country , police will not be there to protect anyone's ass .

Unless its his sister (and even here I have a few doubts) no Ukrainian guy will white knight for a girl. They just don't give a damn.

If you are banging his girlfriend or wife you can get in trouble...but that will be worldwide me thinks.

Only circumstance I see for some guys get beaten up that way is if they are dealing with outright criminals, arsonists, scammers, etc, and the girl is a part of the team. But he has to be really dumb/naive to not figure it out.

As a side note, you might have to start telling them you are Armenian or Georgian, it might stuck. Italian for example is not a credible disguise for a Turk.

I am not lying to get laid. I have nothing to lie for ; i have money , dress relatively nicely , smell good around women, look better than average , i am 190 cm .I am lean even though not muscular. I do not look like typical Turkish . I look like Ukrainian or Russian.People in Ukraine talk to me straight in complicated Russian(not like talking to a foreigner) and are surprised to hear that i have accent. My mother is in fact Georgian , therefore that would not be a lie .I did not get any rejections based on ethnicity . That is the problem of self hating guys who make excuses for their own shortcomings by origins or ethnicity.I am aware that Turkish people do not have good reputation in Europe . One of the first things i hear when i meet girls in Ukraine are i do not look like nor act like a Turkish guy.

All is fair in love and war ))
Last times I had been saying I am from another slavic country (will not reveal which one) and sometimes it works well, they view a guy as more of one of their own, and less on the walking ATM box that you refered on your previous post. Does not mean I did not had success in the past as being true, but I guess I learned in Ukraine how to be a great liar.

I dont dispute your claims about yourself at all. It was just a tip. I met some high value Turkish guys in Ukraine, mostly from Istanbul.

Thanks for the tips. But actually i need tips on how to improve my game , so money will not be the first thing noticed by Ukraininan girls.Of course it will always be an advantage .And without lies please .I want to attract them with my personality , the way i speak , the way i act.This is the main reason i am on the forum , to read guys posts and improve my game. I get laid in Ukraine because it is the easiest country for sex that i have been to.It is not a big time achievement.Even a lame and autistic guy can have a chance of getting laid in Ukraine. Most women's capital is their beauty , body and feminine attitude. So they are selling themselves.There is no affection , it is using their capitals to get yours ( money ) in a nutshell. I want to get past this capital exchange and have something real.To avoid falling into the sex tourist category that Tintin mentioned .

Post: #29

(06-19-2018 10:58 AM)Tintin Wrote:  I'm absolutely serious. One of Ukrainian women's biggest weakness is naivety, I know men that have done this successfully, Turkish guys even sometimes buy the phone for her, what she doesn't realise is that she will get gang banged by the rest of his friends, by this point she often agrees because she wants the phone and has already banged one guy, so she thinks "ok, another 4 guys I can manage", Turkish guys often finish quickly so the whole episode can be over in under an hour.

As far as being beaten by Ukrainian men, this would only be an issue with low class street girls, otherwise do you really think a normal girl would tell a normal male friend "help!, I agreed to sell my poosy for an iPhone but now he scammed me!"

Ukrainian women are compulsive liars, you maybe honest if you want, but maybe better to say you are from Italy as it will open up more opportunities, better than saying Georgian/Turkish, both poor countries, where is your value proposition? Turkish guys spray themselves way too much, the local girls find it too effeminate.

You've already said that women consider you a walking atm, so they have put you in the sex tourist category.

I have seen extreme beatings in Ukraine . In Odessa a guy literally punched another guy walking by and knocked him out .On another occasion a guy's whole face and head was bleeding in the nightclub's WC .His head was buried inside the toilet.He was passed out .Ukrainian guys in general are unpredictable and violent.So you never know . I would not mess with a Ukrainian , girl or boy alike.Maybe not her friends but her brother or cousins would gladly beat you, which is a lower risk in Kiev since most girls are not from here, but it still exists.
About the gangbangs , never heard that happening.I think you might have a vivid imagination.In Turkey if your friend dates a girl you do not date the same girl,let alone fucking.
Maybe you are right about the country , a lot of Ukrainian women love Southern Europe particularly(Greece and Spain are trending).But then again , i would not lie. Besides if she is not a moron she would comprehend from my English or Russian accent that i am not from Italy.I am not good at immitating accents therefore that would not work.

Post: #30

^^If you want to have something real with Ukrainian women start by not being a pussycat affraid of Ukrainian guys.

You are citing altercations that you know not the reasons and had nothing to do with you, to say that Ukrainians are violent and unpredictable...seems a bit strange to me.

Post: #31

(06-20-2018 02:16 AM)Rocha Wrote:  ^^If you want to have something real with Ukrainian women start by not being a pussycat affraid of Ukrainian guys.

You are citing altercations that you know not the reasons and had nothing to do with you, to say that Ukrainians are violent and unpredictable...seems a bit strange to me.

Think what you want . I will just not pick up an unneccessary fight for a slut i met once in my life.
I gave a picture of violence in Ukraine ; nothing less , nothing more .

Post: #32

(06-20-2018 12:26 AM)DT94 Wrote:  Thanks for the tips. But actually i need tips on how to improve my game , so money will not be the first thing noticed by Ukraininan girls.Of course it will always be an advantage .And without lies please .I want to attract them with my personality , the way i speak , the way i act.This is the main reason i am on the forum , to read guys posts and improve my game. I get laid in Ukraine because it is the easiest country for sex that i have been to.It is not a big time achievement.Even a lame and autistic guy can have a chance of getting laid in Ukraine. Most women's capital is their beauty , body and feminine attitude. So they are selling themselves.There is no affection , it is using their capitals to get yours ( money ) in a nutshell. I want to get past this capital exchange and have something real.To avoid falling into the sex tourist category that Tintin mentioned.

To start with, you could write in these wonderful things called paragraphs.

You need to focus on why the girls put you into the sex tourist category, what has happened in the lead up to this revelation, is it because you're Turkish or is it because you've been splashing the cash? My money is a mixture of both.

For better success, have you thought about being more cultured? In Russia I found I did well by being genuinely interested in Russia, her history and seeing cool and unique sights that the average tourist may miss, I've had a lot of fun and I've used it to my advantage. Turns out, girls love it when you take an interest, who knew?

I'd also recommend you learn Russian (East Ukraine) or Ukrainian (West Ukraine), that'll help somewhat although the reality is, you need a break as you're clearly failing somewhere and you need a proper reset but without proper information from yourself that isn't slut shaming and talking about the violence of Ukrainian men, it isn't going to work.

(06-20-2018 03:00 AM)DT94 Wrote:  Think what you want . I will just not pick up an unneccessary fight for a slut i met once in my life.
I gave a picture of violence in Ukraine ; nothing less , nothing more .

You gave a picture of incidents that were of no concern of yours, you had no prior knowledge and only saw the end, one would call that confirmation bias.

Honestly, you need to work on your inner game as clearly you're bitter for all your peacocking, it's clear you've failed in Ukraine and it's taken a hit on your mental health.

Post: #33

(06-20-2018 04:28 AM)Bikal Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 12:26 AM)DT94 Wrote:  Thanks for the tips. But actually i need tips on how to improve my game , so money will not be the first thing noticed by Ukraininan girls.Of course it will always be an advantage .And without lies please .I want to attract them with my personality , the way i speak , the way i act.This is the main reason i am on the forum , to read guys posts and improve my game. I get laid in Ukraine because it is the easiest country for sex that i have been to.It is not a big time achievement.Even a lame and autistic guy can have a chance of getting laid in Ukraine. Most women's capital is their beauty , body and feminine attitude. So they are selling themselves.There is no affection , it is using their capitals to get yours ( money ) in a nutshell. I want to get past this capital exchange and have something real.To avoid falling into the sex tourist category that Tintin mentioned.

To start with, you could write in these wonderful things called paragraphs.

You need to focus on why the girls put you into the sex tourist category, what has happened in the lead up to this revelation, is it because you're Turkish or is it because you've been splashing the cash? My money is a mixture of both.

For better success, have you thought about being more cultured? In Russia I found I did well by being genuinely interested in Russia, her history and seeing cool and unique sights that the average tourist may miss, I've had a lot of fun and I've used it to my advantage. Turns out, girls love it when you take an interest, who knew?

I'd also recommend you learn Russian (East Ukraine) or Ukrainian (West Ukraine), that'll help somewhat although the reality is, you need a break as you're clearly failing somewhere and you need a proper reset but without proper information from yourself that isn't slut shaming and talking about the violence of Ukrainian men, it isn't going to work.

(06-20-2018 03:00 AM)DT94 Wrote:  Think what you want . I will just not pick up an unneccessary fight for a slut i met once in my life.
I gave a picture of violence in Ukraine ; nothing less , nothing more .

You gave a picture of incidents that were of no concern of yours, you had no prior knowledge and only saw the end, one would call that confirmation bias.

Honestly, you need to work on your inner game as clearly you're bitter for all your peacocking, it's clear you've failed in Ukraine and it's taken a hit on your mental health.

Good point . I discuss about Ukrainian culture , history and even politics(without commenting on sensitive subjects) with the people i meet. It breaks the ices and a good conversation starter.

I am improving my Russian.Currently at A2 level.I have done about 450-500 hours of Russian since last November. ( private lectures+self studying).Linguists estimate 1000-1200 hours to learn Russian , i am almost halfway through.

It has not been the most entertaining trip of my life but i had my moments. I do not think i failed , i am learning and improving each and every day.It is likely i will settle in Ukraine in the next couple of years(after i reach the B2 level with my private Russian lecturer and i finish university), so the experiences i gain will be solid background information for me moving forward.

About your final comment , i am not here to get insulted , so if you will not comment in a constructive way do not comment at all. How do you make diagnosis about my mental health ? Are you a doctor ?

Post: #34

Being beta with money is a requirement to get good results in Ukraine. It's a materialstic society and women looking for providers. Game and looks are not enough to justify the lack of resources. Ukrainian women are very good in calculating your 'credit score'. No wonder, many posters here haven't found an Ukrainian 8 or 9 after years of traveling to Ukrainian, but hope dies last.

Post: #35

Talking of culture, one way of avoiding Turks in Ukraine is going anywhere cultural, churches, galleries, museums etc, there's barely a single one to be found, they are too busy in the massage parlours or hunting on Instagram.

Learning Russian is a good, although many guys I know thought that learning the lingo was the key to pussy success in Ukraine, but they are still wanking.

A good idea would be to convert to Christianity in Ukraine

Post: #36

(06-20-2018 10:32 AM)Wander Wrote:  Learning Russian is a good, although many guys I know thought that learning the lingo was the key to pussy success in Ukraine, but they are still wanking.

A good idea would be to convert to Christianity in Ukraine

I wouldn't say that learning Russian or Ukrainian is a panty dropper like many think but it can help reach a larger audience which is always a positive, even if it doesn't net the results one hopes for.

Really, I wouldn't have thought that converting is worth the time or effort, is it?

Post: #37

^ I would say a tattoo of a Christian Orthodox cross in the sleeve could work wonders too.

Post: #38

Rocha, Turks are a part of Ukrainian culture. It makes no sense that guys on here blame the Turks for their lack of success. The Southern Europeans ruined everything trying to rack up notches in a relationship oriented dating environment.

Post: #39

(06-20-2018 02:15 PM)dr.feelgood Wrote:  Rocha, Turks are a part of Ukrainian culture. It makes no sense that guys on here blame the Turks for their lack of success. The Southern Europeans ruined everything trying to rack up notches in a relationship oriented dating environment.

"Turks are a part of Ukrainian culture"

I think these guys on here would disagree:

   

And nobody here blaming Turks for nothing. It was an attempt at a joke.

As for southern europeans, at least in Ukraine they are residual, unless you consider the big Greek community who lives in the South of Ukraine for several centuries.

Post: #40

Rocha, I'm talking about all Southern Europeans except Frenchmen. Italians are the worst, as they don't have any game, are extremely thirsty and famous liars of course. They lie even to other guys about their achievements in EE. Turks are just Turks. They have been around for centuries.

Post: #41

Give this guy a medal ! He inflates my national pride ?.
Seriously , if Turks were not ruling the Balkans and Eastern Europe meanwhile Europe was going through Renaissance and Reforms , as a result Western and Southern Europe got richer , spread their languages and global impact . Without the Turks Eastern Europe would get their hands on science , technology , natural resources and colonies , would not be so fucked up as it is today. In other words you would not have feminine and subservient women, due to economic progression which would lead to feminism eventually . Maybe genetically they would still be beautiful , but i am pretty sure they would not be taking care of their appearance ( maintaining lean body , make up , cosmetics etc ) like they do today . I am not even mentioning the positive cultural aspects like respecting the elder people and hospitality, predominantly in the Balkans , not something to be found in Anglo German nations . You can thank the Turks . Buy me a drink next time you see me in Eastern Europe .

Post: #42

(06-21-2018 04:23 AM)DT94 Wrote:  You can thank the Turks.

For being a backwards lot? Sure, thanks mate, great effort.

I do love how in your entire post you insulted yourself and your people, congratulations

Post: #43

(06-20-2018 02:15 PM)dr.feelgood Wrote:  Rocha, Turks are a part of Ukrainian culture. It makes no sense that guys on here blame the Turks for their lack of success. The Southern Europeans ruined everything trying to rack up notches in a relationship oriented dating environment.

Italians are worse than turks in anything.

They go in hordes, dont have game and many of them are also short. they think it is still the 90s when eastern europans had some romantic ideas about italians. Many '' turks'' are even better looking than them.

However your statement about '' turks being part of ukrainian culture '' is very wrong.

Turks are a nation that was basically built in 1920 by Ataturk. Do never equal Ottomans with modern turks.

If you meant Ottomans, of course they are not part of ukraine.

Tartars and mongol hordes maybe.

Post: #44

(06-20-2018 05:04 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 02:15 PM)dr.feelgood Wrote:  Rocha, Turks are a part of Ukrainian culture. It makes no sense that guys on here blame the Turks for their lack of success. The Southern Europeans ruined everything trying to rack up notches in a relationship oriented dating environment.

"Turks are a part of Ukrainian culture"

I think these guys on here would disagree:



And nobody here blaming Turks for nothing. It was an attempt at a joke.

As for southern europeans, at least in Ukraine they are residual, unless you consider the big Greek community who lives in the South of Ukraine for several centuries.

This is a romantic picture, it has nothing to do with reality.

There is also a picture similar to this, about the April Uprisings in bulgaria in 1860s, when Ottomans crushed the riot and killed 30,000 people in 3 days, but the picture in itself is rubbish .

It pictures bashbuzuks and black mercenaries, when in fact, most of the Ottoman mercenaries were Albanians historically and in this specific case, the mercenaries were Pomaks, who are pretty light in pigmentation ( they are slavs, and we Bulgarians consider them as our people) , while most of the Ottomans corps were Albanian ( who actually helped a lot of villagers to escape and not get slaughtered) .

This picture above is far from reality... Half of Ottoman corps were white Balkanic ( mostly Albanians) and the Ottomans never employed blacks or arabs as mercenaries, and especially in Ukraine.

As for the '' greek'' community in Ukraine, they are mostly byzantine leftovers, rather than real greeks.

As for the speficific issue discusses here, since Ukrainian girls sell themselves pretty cheapo for a cellphone, most of '' turks'' are just catching the opportunity .

I would not do that personally, ' to pay for sex'', but they are just filling the gap.

Post: #45

(06-21-2018 05:19 AM)Vlado Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 02:15 PM)dr.feelgood Wrote:  Rocha, Turks are a part of Ukrainian culture. It makes no sense that guys on here blame the Turks for their lack of success. The Southern Europeans ruined everything trying to rack up notches in a relationship oriented dating environment.

Italians are worse than turks in anything.

They go in hordes, dont have game and many of them are also short. they think it is still the 90s when eastern europans had some romantic ideas about italians. Many '' turks'' are even better looking than them.

However your statement about '' turks being part of ukrainian culture '' is very wrong.

Turks are a nation that was basically built in 1920 by Ataturk. Do never equal Ottomans with modern turks.

If you meant Ottomans, of course they are not part of ukraine.

Tartars and mongol hordes maybe.

Please get your ass over to grammar and punctuation school before you make another post. Geezus.

Post: #46

(06-21-2018 04:23 AM)DT94 Wrote:  Give this guy a medal ! He inflates my national pride ?.
Seriously , if Turks were not ruling the Balkans and Eastern Europe meanwhile Europe was going through Renaissance and Reforms , as a result Western and Southern Europe got richer , spread their languages and global impact . Without the Turks Eastern Europe would get their hands on science , technology , natural resources and colonies , would not be so fucked up as it is today. In other words you would not have feminine and subservient women, due to economic progression which would lead to feminism eventually . Maybe genetically they would still be beautiful , but i am pretty sure they would not be taking care of their appearance ( maintaining lean body , make up , cosmetics etc ) like they do today . I am not even mentioning the positive cultural aspects like respecting the elder people and hospitality, predominantly in the Balkans , not something to be found in Anglo German nations . You can thank the Turks . Buy me a drink next time you see me in Eastern Europe .

Stop being buthurt and start opening some books, becayse you sound ridiculous.

Firs of all you are Georgian .

Secondly, turjkey in essence is a multi ethnic country. It is difficult to state what a real turk is.

How many millions of turks are of bosnian, albanian, circissian, goergian, arab ancestry??

The term turk as a nation was created by Ataturk in 1920.

He said himself that Turkey is just one of the provinces of the Ottoman Empire.

Before that we had the multi ethnic ottoman empire, where the term turks was considered an offence.

For example did you know that 44 prime ministers of the Ottoman Empire were Albanians and many others come from the other ethnicity of the empire?

As for the '' contribution'' you stated , those respects to elders, hospitality was in the Balkans thousands of years before the Ottoman appeared.

The Ottoman Empire ( not turks) was an empire that didnt really develop or revolutionized much like the Romans did for example .

They just adopted things they saw. Ottomans were very good in recruiting soldiers and making them have a great Career, i give you that.

Also the empire was also good economically up to the end of the 17th century when the industrial revolution started to appear in western europe.

If it wasnt for this albanian family, the empire would have collapsed by the middle 17th century

''The Köprülü family (Turkish: Köprülü ailesi) was a noble family of Albanian origin in the Ottoman Empire.[1][2] The family provided six grand viziers (including Kara Mustafa Pasha, who was a stepson), with several others becoming high-ranking officers. The era during which these grand viziers served is known as the "Köprülü era" of the Ottoman Empire''

''The Köprülü era (Turkish: Köprülüler Devri) (c. 1656–1703) was a period in which the Ottoman Empire's politics were frequently dominated by a series of grand viziers from the Köprülü family. The Köprülü era is sometimes more narrowly defined as the period from 1656-1683, as it was during those years that members of the family held the office of grand vizier uninterruptedly, while for the remainder of the period they occupied it only sporadically.[1] The Köprülüs were generally skilled administrators, and are credited with reviving the empire's fortunes after a period of military defeat and economic instability. Numerous reforms were instituted under their rule, which enabled the empire to resolve its budget crisis and stamp out factional conflict in the empire.[2]''

Start opening books dude.

Post: #47

(06-21-2018 05:37 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

(06-21-2018 05:19 AM)Vlado Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 02:15 PM)dr.feelgood Wrote:  Rocha, Turks are a part of Ukrainian culture. It makes no sense that guys on here blame the Turks for their lack of success. The Southern Europeans ruined everything trying to rack up notches in a relationship oriented dating environment.

Italians are worse than turks in anything.

They go in hordes, dont have game and many of them are also short. they think it is still the 90s when eastern europans had some romantic ideas about italians. Many '' turks'' are even better looking than them.

However your statement about '' turks being part of ukrainian culture '' is very wrong.

Turks are a nation that was basically built in 1920 by Ataturk. Do never equal Ottomans with modern turks.

If you meant Ottomans, of course they are not part of ukraine.

Tartars and mongol hordes maybe.

Please get your ass over to grammar and punctuation school before you make another post. Geezus.

Thank you master.

I will consider that.

Post: #48

You have valid arguements . I will not contradict what you said , also because this is not a history discussion forum . I am of Balkan origin from the father's side myself . Half of my post was trolling . I do not have national pride whatsoever . I can be proud when i am banging pretty chicks without them trying to take advantage of me. But noone can can deny that Ottomans , Turks ( whatever you call it , even the Pashas and Hans were not Turkish , Hans mothers are mostly Serbian or Ukrainian alongside other Slavic nationalities. original Turks are genetically Middle Asian , Turks living in Turkey are mixed with indigenous Anatolians,Greeks , Armenians , Balkan nations , Arabs and other Middle East nations .) are one of the major reasons Eastern Europe could not catch up with the innovations taking place in Western Europe . On the other hand other Slavic countries such as Poland and Russia ( more developed compared to Balkans , Ukraine ) could not catch up due to other various reasons .But whatever , to me chicks are more important than the economic or political status of a country .I will be moving to Ukraine , hopefully will be with chicks who give me excellent sex , accept my leadership in the relationship ,take care of housework etc . I am actually a relationship and family oriented man which honest Ukrainian women love in principle , if you have what it takes as a man . When i move there long term , speak good Russian , financially secure then sky is the limit .

Post: #49

(06-21-2018 04:23 AM)DT94 Wrote:  Give this guy a medal ! He inflates my national pride ?.
Seriously , if Turks were not ruling the Balkans and Eastern Europe meanwhile Europe was going through Renaissance and Reforms , as a result Western and Southern Europe got richer , spread their languages and global impact . Without the Turks Eastern Europe would get their hands on science , technology , natural resources and colonies , would not be so fucked up as it is today. In other words you would not have feminine and subservient women, due to economic progression which would lead to feminism eventually . Maybe genetically they would still be beautiful , but i am pretty sure they would not be taking care of their appearance ( maintaining lean body , make up , cosmetics etc ) like they do today . I am not even mentioning the positive cultural aspects like respecting the elder people and hospitality, predominantly in the Balkans , not something to be found in Anglo German nations . You can thank the Turks . Buy me a drink next time you see me in Eastern Europe .

Utter bullshit - the Turks were backwards Muslims who just spread the sick death cult of Islam whose only merit is that it unites tribes for war easier, but ultimately destroys civilization, creates inbred degenerate low-IQ violent shitholes. The Ottomans were about the last stretches of their possible achievement - late stage middle ages. Any society and technology above is way beyond them.

The Balkans were not "kept traditional" because of the glorious Ottoman contributions. The entire Europe was of equal traditional state until the 1950s. The East just remained less cultural marxist indoctrinated because of communism - and the communists banned Western feminism. That is the main reason. It had nothing to do with the moronic Turks who had to have Western soldiers captured or otherwise they would have been wiped out. You might want to wonder why all the Muslim tribes are initially great warriors, but then quickly devolve into inbred weaklings? The Umayad Arabs who conquered large swaths later were unable to fight well, the same went for the Persians and then the Ottomans. The reason is because if a few elite families practice cousin-fucking it is bad enough - if the rest does it, then it creates societies of 50% inbreeding like still apparent today in most countries - with Turkey being the least offender due to Ataturk. And never mind about Islam fighting constantly against any meaningful scientific progress, sometimes even destruction of cities like Constantinople, because they were "built by the infidels".

And the Tatars were hardly able to imprint anything on Ukraine, Russia or Poland strong enough. They could not spread their crap that far.

And the Ottoman soldier "recruitment" was just child kidnapping, because the inbred tribes could no longer produce fighters which were good enough - they had to advance the Janissars later to leading positions because they were less corrupt than the locals - and smarter.

The Turks are not bad people and they should continue the reforms of Ataturk and not re-islamize. Also a lot of the glory-culture of "we-the-best" is misplaced. The mongols captured large lands in their time because such nomadic warriors had distinct advantages in the medieval setting and the Ottoman empire had the advantage of tribal unification while European Christians fought against each other constantly. But if they had conquered the world, then we would be living in the middle ages and doing butt-fuck-games in some harems:



And one of my favorite writers is Akif Pirincci and he rips into them in equal measure, so I am not alone in my opinion.

Post: #50

(06-21-2018 07:01 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  

(06-21-2018 04:23 AM)DT94 Wrote:  Give this guy a medal ! He inflates my national pride ?.
Seriously , if Turks were not ruling the Balkans and Eastern Europe meanwhile Europe was going through Renaissance and Reforms , as a result Western and Southern Europe got richer , spread their languages and global impact . Without the Turks Eastern Europe would get their hands on science , technology , natural resources and colonies , would not be so fucked up as it is today. In other words you would not have feminine and subservient women, due to economic progression which would lead to feminism eventually . Maybe genetically they would still be beautiful , but i am pretty sure they would not be taking care of their appearance ( maintaining lean body , make up , cosmetics etc ) like they do today . I am not even mentioning the positive cultural aspects like respecting the elder people and hospitality, predominantly in the Balkans , not something to be found in Anglo German nations . You can thank the Turks . Buy me a drink next time you see me in Eastern Europe .

Utter bullshit - the Turks were backwards Muslims who just spread the sick death cult of Islam whose only merit is that it unites tribes for war easier, but ultimately destroys civilization, creates inbred degenerate low-IQ violent shitholes. The Ottomans were about the last stretches of their possible achievement - late stage middle ages. Any society and technology above is way beyond them.

The Balkans were not "kept traditional" because of the glorious Ottoman contributions. The entire Europe was of equal traditional state until the 1950s. The East just remained less cultural marxist indoctrinated because of communism - and the communists banned Western feminism. That is the main reason. It had nothing to do with the moronic Turks who had to have Western soldiers captured or otherwise they would have been wiped out. You might want to wonder why all the Muslim tribes are initially great warriors, but then quickly devolve into inbred weaklings? The Umayad Arabs who conquered large swaths later were unable to fight well, the same went for the Persians and then the Ottomans. The reason is because if a few elite families practice cousin-fucking it is bad enough - if the rest does it, then it creates societies of 50% inbreeding like still apparent today in most countries - with Turkey being the least offender due to Ataturk. And never mind about Islam fighting constantly against any meaningful scientific progress, sometimes even destruction of cities like Constantinople, because they were "built by the infidels".

And the Tatars were hardly able to imprint anything on Ukraine, Russia or Poland strong enough. They could not spread their crap that far.

And the Ottoman soldier "recruitment" was just child kidnapping, because the inbred tribes could no longer produce fighters which were good enough - they had to advance the Janissars later to leading positions because they were less corrupt than the locals - and smarter.

The Turks are not bad people and they should continue the reforms of Ataturk and not re-islamize. Also a lot of the glory-culture of "we-the-best" is misplaced. The mongols captured large lands in their time because such nomadic warriors had distinct advantages in the medieval setting and the Ottoman empire had the advantage of tribal unification while European Christians fought against each other constantly. But if they had conquered the world, then we would be living in the middle ages and doing butt-fuck-games in some harems:



And one of my favorite writers is Akif Pirincci and he rips into them in equal measure, so I am not alone in my opinion.

The history lesson i was getting from you guys was amazing, but this post just wins the gold.