Post: #1

I really can`s see how this form of punishment can be justified constitutionally, it certainly is extremely cruel and unusual. The only equivalent form of punishment globally would be the notorious black-dolphin prison in Siberia, which arguably has even harsher conditions/terms. However the inmates there are housed mostly 2 in 1 cell.

But being locked up for 23 hours a day in a small box the size on an average bathroom, only to get one hour "outdoors" in another box! That`s pretty grim no matter how you see it.
Zero human interaction, except maybe a few words with the guards as you`re escorted to your recreation box. As I`ve understood, at ADX Florence, which is the federal Supermax prison and hence the most secure facility in the land, prisoners do not have verbal access to other inmates at all. (This is not the case at other Supermax facilities.)
Ironically, Gitmo might be a better alternative, even though you risk (at least under the Bush administration) some form of "soft" torture. I think it`s the total isolation that in the long term will make Supermax, and ADX Florence in particular, a living nightmare. (At Gitmo there seems to be a certain level of prisoner interaction.) So even though you`re physically safe under supermax conditions, probably even a dangerous prison would be better, since you will be spared the "mental" torture. We have evolved to be social beings after all. Maybe a few natural loners can cope, (Ted Kaczynski etc.) but for most people I imagine you will have a total nervous breakdown, severe claustrophobia and suicide attempts and the like when serving in such a facility.

I`m certainly not a fan of people like Ramzi Youssef, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and the like. (I do admire the intellect of Kaczynski though, if not his actions.) But referring to victims of various crimes, or what people like this "deserve" totally misses the point. This is about the power granted to Government, by the people, via the constitution. The founding fathers did not grant the State these powers, hence these forms of punishment should not take place. (It`s debatable, but I would say that it`s certainly not in the spirit of the founders.) What people who say things like; `If you can`t do the time`...etc. also miss is that when they indirectly sanction these forms of punishment, the State thugs who come up with these things gain confidence, and things will get even more extreme. Also, who knows what will be illegal in the future? Attitudes and laws/interpretations change. You just might be creating your own nightmare. Criticize some Femi-Nazi future official…trough him in a cell at ADX...no one will ever hear from you again!

Post: #2

If it was worse than death to live in these supermax prisons, then the inmates wouldn't plead down their convictions to life in prison. The people at ADX Florence are terrorists, cartel leaders, double agents, etc. These people are scum and don't deserve anything better than a hole to shit and piss in.

Post: #3

Bad people deserve to get treated bad.

They didn't give a shit about their victims, and I don't give a shit about them.

Post: #4

(06-17-2018 05:12 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  If it was worse than death to live in these supermax prisons, then the inmates wouldn't plead down their convictions to life in prison. The people at ADX Florence are terrorists, cartel leaders, double agents, etc. These people are scum and don't deserve anything better than a hole to shit and piss in.

That`s not always the case though. Some guys will hasten the appeals process to be killed sooner. I think it`s safe to say that it`s worse than death to serve in these facilities, but people still fear dying/being killed instinctively.

Post: #5

(06-17-2018 05:52 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  Bad people deserve to get treated bad.

They didn't give a shit about their victims, and I don't give a shit about them.

That`s exactly the logic I warned against. (No offense) With that reasoning you can tear down all of civil law. Or take all civility out of it at least. It`s not about victims or deserve/not deserve, or even justice. (Which is an illusion btw.) It`s about what the State can do to it`s citizens.

There`s a big difference between strict and protecting society as a whole, and downright torture, which is the case here. I`m not exactly calling for these guys to be released.

Post: #6

Oddly enough I just watched an episode of Lockup covering this issue.

Only people who have proved to be a danger to themselves or others while in prison are segregated. The exceptions of course are people who are in danger of being in genpop due to some sort of intra-prison or extra-prison celebrity.

So what's the alternative? Stick Tsarnev in general population and watch him get shanked day one?

Would that be "humane"?

Post: #7

(06-17-2018 07:48 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Oddly enough I just watched an episode of Lockup covering this issue.

Only people who have proved to be a danger to themselves or others while in prison are segregated. The exceptions of course are people who are in danger of being in genpop due to some sort of intra-prison or extra-prison celebrity.

So what's the alternative? Stick Tsarnev in general population and watch him get shanked day one?

Would that be "humane"?

You could keep guys like Tsarnaev and Ramzi Youssef in the same type of facility, but if you pair some of these groups up intelligently in segregated yards outdoors, (Muslim terrorists, Hispanic cartel leaders, Aryan brotherhood etc.) you could let them be outside during the daytime. I`m not talking about some luxury environment, but a small yard with access to say soccer and baseballs, pullup bars, maybe some simple games like chess allowed etc. I don`t see why that would be a problem.

I`m not sure that people like Tsarnaev are in solitary just as a precaution. I do think there is some degree of revenge/torture going on there no matter how they rationalize it. Personally, if given the choice between permanent total isolation, and a riskier but somewhat social-outdoors environment, in the long run I think the latter is a much better option. I mean, you are buried alive in ADX.

Post: #8

Sorry Johnnyvee, but if these assholes wanted to have "recreation time" and comfort, then they could have chosen not to willfully commit crimes.

Prisons should not be just a solidly built Holiday Inns. Prison should be punishment, pure and simple. The recidivism rate among offenders is as high as it is because prisons are all far too soft on criminals. 99% of prisons in the U.S. are merely mandatory housing for the convicts, and hardly more than an inconvenient pause in their criminal careers.

And I am 100% in favor of "ending their suffering" in supermax. I believe in a greatly expanded Death Penalty to clear these "terrible" places out.

Murderers - Death.
Rapists (Real ones do happen) - Death.
Kiddie Porn Assholes - Death.
Armed Robbers - Death.
Drug Kingpins (Till it's legalized) - Death.
Gang Leaders (All types) - Death.
Terrorists of any flavor - Death.
Corrupt Politicians - Death.

Prison should NOT be used for "rehabilitation." That should come AFTER the convict has been thoroughly punished. As it is now, the Risk/Reward metric is no where near heavily weighted on the risk side.

So yes. SuperMax is as close to actual justice and punishment as the current system allows.

Post: #9

(06-18-2018 02:12 PM)Baphomet Wrote:  Sorry Johnnyvee, but if these assholes wanted to have "recreation time" and comfort, then they could have chosen not to willfully commit crimes.

Prisons should not be just a solidly built Holiday Inns. Prison should be punishment, pure and simple. The recidivism rate among offenders is as high as it is because prisons are all far too soft on criminals. 99% of prisons in the U.S. are merely mandatory housing for the convicts, and hardly more than an inconvenient pause in their criminal careers.

And I am 100% in favor of "ending their suffering" in supermax. I believe in a greatly expanded Death Penalty to clear these "terrible" places out.

Murderers - Death.
Rapists (Real ones do happen) - Death.
Kiddie Porn Assholes - Death.
Armed Robbers - Death.
Drug Kingpins (Till it's legalized) - Death.
Gang Leaders (All types) - Death.
Terrorists of any flavor - Death.
Corrupt Politicians - Death.

Prison should NOT be used for "rehabilitation." That should come AFTER the convict has been thoroughly punished. As it is now, the Risk/Reward metric is no where near heavily weighted on the risk side.

So yes. SuperMax is as close to actual justice and punishment as the current system allows.

-Oh come on man, the recidivism rate is in general greater the harsher and the longer the sentences. You will learn crime in prison and make the wrong type of friends pure and simple.

-Not all people can chose different outcomes. Some are "victims" of their genetics and environment, and they lack the brain power to escape their faith...well genetics again.

-As for punishment, I think that`s just as much of an illusion as is the concept of justice. But I do see the point in keeping risky people away from the rest. I just don`t like the idea of giving the State the power to kill it`s citizens. I have bad experiences with these type of people Better criminals of the streets than more power to Government thugs, I`m serious about that.

Post: #10

You are very lucky in some ways to live in Norway OP. You have no idea what level and how many millions of horrible criminal animals are here.

No where in your post do you mention the victims of violence robbery or murder, the property owners who worked hard and honestly for what they have to have it stolen or destroyed, or the victims of fraud by criminals who lie to steal and destroy wealth that is not theirs.

You only mention how they have to stay in confinement? Do you know why that is? It is because they will eacape and do it again.

Stop thinking like a Sweede.

Post: #11

(06-18-2018 02:40 PM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  You are very lucky in some ways to live in Norway OP. You have no idea what level and how many millions of horrible criminal animals are here.

No where in your post do you mention the victims of violence robbery or murder, the property owners who worked hard and honestly for what they have to have it stolen or destroyed, or the victims of fraud by criminals who lie to steal and destroy wealth that is not theirs.

You only mention how they have to stay in confinement? Do you know why that is? It is because they will eacape and do it again.

Stop thinking like a Sweede.

Yes, and we all know the cause of most crime in the US. The wonders of multiculturalism. But harsher and longer sentences does not seem to work. The OP was not about the subject of crime and punishment in general, but putting tons of black and Hispanic guys (mostly) in jail for long stretches, on the tax payers dime, is not a good idea either.

It`s another form of Government theft as I see it. Also big pharma makes a huge profit from this scheme drugging prisoners for decades due to alleged "mental" disorders. I could go on and on about this, but as a small Government guy I see the prison/legal system in the US as just another Crony/Marxist scheme as I said.

The property-business owners should be pissed, but it`s for the most part their own Government that actually robs them.

Post: #12

This is showing them unreasonable mercy. In a more savage world these killers would be tortured and dismembered by an angry mob. In my opinion, the law is too soft on them. Go read some articles on the crimes these people committed. If that doesnt make your blood boil with animalistic rage, you arent human.

Post: #13

(06-18-2018 02:37 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 02:12 PM)Baphomet Wrote:  Sorry Johnnyvee, but if these assholes wanted to have "recreation time" and comfort, then they could have chosen not to willfully commit crimes.

Prisons should not be just a solidly built Holiday Inns. Prison should be punishment, pure and simple. The recidivism rate among offenders is as high as it is because prisons are all far too soft on criminals. 99% of prisons in the U.S. are merely mandatory housing for the convicts, and hardly more than an inconvenient pause in their criminal careers.

And I am 100% in favor of "ending their suffering" in supermax. I believe in a greatly expanded Death Penalty to clear these "terrible" places out.

Murderers - Death.
Rapists (Real ones do happen) - Death.
Kiddie Porn Assholes - Death.
Armed Robbers - Death.
Drug Kingpins (Till it's legalized) - Death.
Gang Leaders (All types) - Death.
Terrorists of any flavor - Death.
Corrupt Politicians - Death.

Prison should NOT be used for "rehabilitation." That should come AFTER the convict has been thoroughly punished. As it is now, the Risk/Reward metric is no where near heavily weighted on the risk side.

So yes. SuperMax is as close to actual justice and punishment as the current system allows.

-Oh come on man, the recidivism rate is in general greater the harsher and the longer the sentences. You will learn crime in prison and make the wrong type of friends pure and simple.

Wrong The U.S. recidivism rate for property crime (the lowest sentences) is over 80%. The recidivism rate for violent offenses (longest sentences) is 70%.

Quote:-Not all people can chose different outcomes. Some are "victims" of their genetics and environment, and they lack the brain power to escape their faith...well genetics again.

Victims, aren't we all. Again, sorry, Johnny, but no one FORCED little Timmy to beat an 88 year old women to death to get her purse. Little Timmy CHOSE to do that rather than work at the car wash, McDonalds, mowing yards, etc. Don't hand me the "helpless victim of a cruel world" horseshit.

Quote:-As for punishment, I think that`s just as much of an illusion as is the concept of justice. But I do see the point in keeping risky people away from the rest. I just don`t like the idea of giving the State the power to kill it`s citizens. I have bad experiences with these type of people Better criminals of the streets than more power to Government thugs, I`m serious about that.

What the hell kind of pseudo-nihilistic bilge is this? Punishment and Justice are illusions? In that realm of thinking - If there is no punishment and no justice, then there is actually no law and order. Without consequences for its violation (punishment), "Law" is an "illusion." Therefore, there is no reason to keep "risky" people in slightly hardened Comfort Inns.

Post: #14

(06-18-2018 03:08 PM)Baphomet Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 02:37 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 02:12 PM)Baphomet Wrote:  Sorry Johnnyvee, but if these assholes wanted to have "recreation time" and comfort, then they could have chosen not to willfully commit crimes.

Prisons should not be just a solidly built Holiday Inns. Prison should be punishment, pure and simple. The recidivism rate among offenders is as high as it is because prisons are all far too soft on criminals. 99% of prisons in the U.S. are merely mandatory housing for the convicts, and hardly more than an inconvenient pause in their criminal careers.

And I am 100% in favor of "ending their suffering" in supermax. I believe in a greatly expanded Death Penalty to clear these "terrible" places out.

Murderers - Death.
Rapists (Real ones do happen) - Death.
Kiddie Porn Assholes - Death.
Armed Robbers - Death.
Drug Kingpins (Till it's legalized) - Death.
Gang Leaders (All types) - Death.
Terrorists of any flavor - Death.
Corrupt Politicians - Death.

Prison should NOT be used for "rehabilitation." That should come AFTER the convict has been thoroughly punished. As it is now, the Risk/Reward metric is no where near heavily weighted on the risk side.

So yes. SuperMax is as close to actual justice and punishment as the current system allows.

-Oh come on man, the recidivism rate is in general greater the harsher and the longer the sentences. You will learn crime in prison and make the wrong type of friends pure and simple.

Wrong The U.S. recidivism rate for property crime (the lowest sentences) is over 80%. The recidivism rate for violent offenses (longest sentences) is 70%.

Quote:-Not all people can chose different outcomes. Some are "victims" of their genetics and environment, and they lack the brain power to escape their faith...well genetics again.

Victims, aren't we all. Again, sorry, Johnny, but no one FORCED little Timmy to beat an 88 year old women to death to get her purse. Little Timmy CHOSE to do that rather than work at the car wash, McDonalds, mowing yards, etc. Don't hand me the "helpless victim of a cruel world" horseshit.

Quote:-As for punishment, I think that`s just as much of an illusion as is the concept of justice. But I do see the point in keeping risky people away from the rest. I just don`t like the idea of giving the State the power to kill it`s citizens. I have bad experiences with these type of people Better criminals of the streets than more power to Government thugs, I`m serious about that.

What the hell kind of pseudo-nihilistic bilge is this? Punishment and Justice are illusions? In that realm of thinking - If there is no punishment and no justice, then there is actually no law and order. Without consequences for its violation (punishment), "Law" is an "illusion." Therefore, there is no reason to keep "risky" people in slightly hardened Comfort Inns.

And the recidivism after the death penalty is zero.

Post: #15

(06-18-2018 03:07 PM)mickeyd Wrote:  This is showing them unreasonable mercy. In a more savage world these killers would be tortured and dismembered by an angry mob. In my opinion, the law is too soft on them. Go read some articles on the crimes these people committed. If that doesnt make your blood boil with animalistic rage, you arent human.

The crimes of Governments does just that.

Post: #16

(06-18-2018 03:08 PM)Baphomet Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 02:37 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 02:12 PM)Baphomet Wrote:  Sorry Johnnyvee, but if these assholes wanted to have "recreation time" and comfort, then they could have chosen not to willfully commit crimes.

Prisons should not be just a solidly built Holiday Inns. Prison should be punishment, pure and simple. The recidivism rate among offenders is as high as it is because prisons are all far too soft on criminals. 99% of prisons in the U.S. are merely mandatory housing for the convicts, and hardly more than an inconvenient pause in their criminal careers.

And I am 100% in favor of "ending their suffering" in supermax. I believe in a greatly expanded Death Penalty to clear these "terrible" places out.

Murderers - Death.
Rapists (Real ones do happen) - Death.
Kiddie Porn Assholes - Death.
Armed Robbers - Death.
Drug Kingpins (Till it's legalized) - Death.
Gang Leaders (All types) - Death.
Terrorists of any flavor - Death.
Corrupt Politicians - Death.

Prison should NOT be used for "rehabilitation." That should come AFTER the convict has been thoroughly punished. As it is now, the Risk/Reward metric is no where near heavily weighted on the risk side.

So yes. SuperMax is as close to actual justice and punishment as the current system allows.

-Oh come on man, the recidivism rate is in general greater the harsher and the longer the sentences. You will learn crime in prison and make the wrong type of friends pure and simple.

Wrong The U.S. recidivism rate for property crime (the lowest sentences) is over 80%. The recidivism rate for violent offenses (longest sentences) is 70%.

Quote:-Not all people can chose different outcomes. Some are "victims" of their genetics and environment, and they lack the brain power to escape their faith...well genetics again.

Victims, aren't we all. Again, sorry, Johnny, but no one FORCED little Timmy to beat an 88 year old women to death to get her purse. Little Timmy CHOSE to do that rather than work at the car wash, McDonalds, mowing yards, etc. Don't hand me the "helpless victim of a cruel world" horseshit.

Quote:-As for punishment, I think that`s just as much of an illusion as is the concept of justice. But I do see the point in keeping risky people away from the rest. I just don`t like the idea of giving the State the power to kill it`s citizens. I have bad experiences with these type of people Better criminals of the streets than more power to Government thugs, I`m serious about that.

What the hell kind of pseudo-nihilistic bilge is this? Punishment and Justice are illusions? In that realm of thinking - If there is no punishment and no justice, then there is actually no law and order. Without consequences for its violation (punishment), "Law" is an "illusion." Therefore, there is no reason to keep "risky" people in slightly hardened Comfort Inns.

A lot to be debated there, but a few points;

-Recidivism for violent offences...you really have to compare with other countries and penal systems for the same type of crimes. It`s "easier" to commit property crime than violent crime.

-There are elements to violent behaviour and crime that is regulated by genetics and an unnatural diet for humans. (Diet is underestimated.) There is a degree of autonomy/self-control/temper that varies between individuals and even more so between races. I`m not saying people have no choice, but it`s more complicated than that.
Also the State get`s in the way of both a real education, and makes it difficult to attain jobs due to regulations like minimum wage laws etc. Then there`s Feminism and single motherhood and so on. Note that it`s basically the same people who are responsible for such flawed policies that are also in charge of the penal system policies.

-Your last point enters the realm of religion I guess, that might be the essence of our disagreement. I maintain that justice is an illusion. There is no justice in nature. Tell it to the Wildebeest`s making there way across the Masai Mara river only to be torn apart by crocodiles. That is the real world. So for me law and order comes more from rationality, it makes practical sense. But it makes no difference for the victim of a murder if you kill or torture the condemned. How could it, unless you resort to metaphysical explanations.

Post: #17

(06-18-2018 06:21 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  -Your last point enters the realm of religion I guess, that might be the essence of our disagreement. I maintain that justice is an illusion. There is no justice in nature. Tell it to the Wildebeest`s making there way across the Masai Mara river only to be torn apart by crocodiles. That is the real world. So for me law and order comes more from rationality, it makes practical sense. But it makes no difference for the victim of a murder if you kill or torture the condemned. How could it, unless you resort to metaphysical explanations.

What the hell are you on about? You need to go live in the hood.

Post: #18

It's not very amusing watching people rationalize the humanity of punishments for bad behavior as though the victims of that behavior were all theoretical abstracts that never really existed in the real world.

In a sense I agree with you Johnnyvee. There should be no solitary confinement for serious offenders. Every test available to man on the guilt of the suspect should be run in as swift a fashion as possible, and if the offender has taken so much as a single life unjustly then they should be swiftly executed.

No lengthy solitary confinement needed.

Honestly, the older I get the more I get frustrated with the fundamental human rights crowd who rally to throw thousands of innocent people into the meat grinder to protect the rights of a few hundred psychopaths who would sooner shank them than thank them for it.

Sometimes the courts get it wrong. Yeah. IMO you get probation for the first violent offence if there's any doubt, and jail if there's no doubt at all to your guilt and motivations. Short sentence. ALL served in solitary.

Second offence you get a long mix of solitary and hard labour.

Third, you never get released. Ever. Because why should an endless parade of innocent victims be laid out in front of you "so you have a shot at redemption".

It's all "save us from the gubberment" until your own family member is the one that gets killed by some lunatic on parole. Murders deserve only the mercy of the hangman's noose.

Post: #19

(06-19-2018 12:29 AM)mickeyd Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 06:21 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  -Your last point enters the realm of religion I guess, that might be the essence of our disagreement. I maintain that justice is an illusion. There is no justice in nature. Tell it to the Wildebeest`s making there way across the Masai Mara river only to be torn apart by crocodiles. That is the real world. So for me law and order comes more from rationality, it makes practical sense. But it makes no difference for the victim of a murder if you kill or torture the condemned. How could it, unless you resort to metaphysical explanations.

What the hell are you on about? You need to go live in the hood.

The issue there is immigration/multiculturalism, not the penal system.

Post: #20

(06-19-2018 08:50 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  It's not very amusing watching people rationalize the humanity of punishments for bad behavior as though the victims of that behavior were all theoretical abstracts that never really existed in the real world.

In a sense I agree with you Johnnyvee. There should be no solitary confinement for serious offenders. Every test available to man on the guilt of the suspect should be run in as swift a fashion as possible, and if the offender has taken so much as a single life unjustly then they should be swiftly executed.

No lengthy solitary confinement needed.

Honestly, the older I get the more I get frustrated with the fundamental human rights crowd who rally to throw thousands of innocent people into the meat grinder to protect the rights of a few hundred psychopaths who would sooner shank them than thank them for it.

Sometimes the courts get it wrong. Yeah. IMO you get probation for the first violent offence if there's any doubt, and jail if there's no doubt at all to your guilt and motivations. Short sentence. ALL served in solitary.

Second offence you get a long mix of solitary and hard labour.

Third, you never get released. Ever. Because why should an endless parade of innocent victims be laid out in front of you "so you have a shot at redemption".

It's all "save us from the gubberment" until your own family member is the one that gets killed by some lunatic on parole. Murders deserve only the mercy of the hangman's noose.

I can see I get nowhere with my reasoning on this..fair enough...were all entitled to our opinions/perspective. Alternatively you could show the video clip below to all high school kids, and there would be no more crime. (Except for a few fags maybe, but they should be locked up anyway.)

Post: #21

(06-19-2018 01:53 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 08:50 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  It's not very amusing watching people rationalize the humanity of punishments for bad behavior as though the victims of that behavior were all theoretical abstracts that never really existed in the real world.

In a sense I agree with you Johnnyvee. There should be no solitary confinement for serious offenders. Every test available to man on the guilt of the suspect should be run in as swift a fashion as possible, and if the offender has taken so much as a single life unjustly then they should be swiftly executed.

No lengthy solitary confinement needed.

Honestly, the older I get the more I get frustrated with the fundamental human rights crowd who rally to throw thousands of innocent people into the meat grinder to protect the rights of a few hundred psychopaths who would sooner shank them than thank them for it.

Sometimes the courts get it wrong. Yeah. IMO you get probation for the first violent offence if there's any doubt, and jail if there's no doubt at all to your guilt and motivations. Short sentence. ALL served in solitary.

Second offence you get a long mix of solitary and hard labour.

Third, you never get released. Ever. Because why should an endless parade of innocent victims be laid out in front of you "so you have a shot at redemption".

It's all "save us from the gubberment" until your own family member is the one that gets killed by some lunatic on parole. Murders deserve only the mercy of the hangman's noose.

I can see I get nowhere with my reasoning on this..fair enough...were all entitled to our opinions/perspective. Alternatively you could show the video clip below to all high school kids, and there would be no more crime. (Except for a few fags maybe, but they should be locked up anyway.)

You really don't seem to get it. You think these guys are afraid of some old faggot?





Multiculturalism and immigration don't have much to do with the issue. Some people are just animals. And they should be put down like a rabid animal would be.

Post: #22

(06-19-2018 02:07 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 01:53 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 08:50 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  It's not very amusing watching people rationalize the humanity of punishments for bad behavior as though the victims of that behavior were all theoretical abstracts that never really existed in the real world.

In a sense I agree with you Johnnyvee. There should be no solitary confinement for serious offenders. Every test available to man on the guilt of the suspect should be run in as swift a fashion as possible, and if the offender has taken so much as a single life unjustly then they should be swiftly executed.

No lengthy solitary confinement needed.

Honestly, the older I get the more I get frustrated with the fundamental human rights crowd who rally to throw thousands of innocent people into the meat grinder to protect the rights of a few hundred psychopaths who would sooner shank them than thank them for it.

Sometimes the courts get it wrong. Yeah. IMO you get probation for the first violent offence if there's any doubt, and jail if there's no doubt at all to your guilt and motivations. Short sentence. ALL served in solitary.

Second offence you get a long mix of solitary and hard labour.

Third, you never get released. Ever. Because why should an endless parade of innocent victims be laid out in front of you "so you have a shot at redemption".

It's all "save us from the gubberment" until your own family member is the one that gets killed by some lunatic on parole. Murders deserve only the mercy of the hangman's noose.

I can see I get nowhere with my reasoning on this..fair enough...were all entitled to our opinions/perspective. Alternatively you could show the video clip below to all high school kids, and there would be no more crime. (Except for a few fags maybe, but they should be locked up anyway.)

You really don't seem to get it. You think these guys are afraid of some old faggot?





Multiculturalism and immigration don't have much to do with the issue. Some people are just animals. And they should be put down like a rabid animal would be.

-I think you took that Fleece Johnson thing a bit to literal man.

-Nothing to do with immigration! Even your own pictures reveals the flaw in that statement. Have you looked at any statistics at all? (I can recommend the book `the Color of crime` by Jared Taylor.) You can`t be serious on that subject. You would hardly need any police at all in say Sweden, had it not been for immigration. I won`t even go into the situation in the US, but it`s infinitely worse. Even in Norway with a <10 percent non-white population, >70 percent of the incarcerated are non ethnically Norwegians.

-I don`t love criminals at all, but I loathe excess Government much more. They are the real criminals.

Post: #23

Solitary confinement would not be so bad to me, but I am a mystic at heart. Some monks have spent months in solitary caves in deep contemplation.

Of course the ones getting captured are not spiritual wannabe saints, so it's more a caged animal being deprived of sensory input.

Currently there are no good methods of mentally healing criminals - many crimes would actually deserve slow torture and death. Prison is too good for them. I wonder how a spiritually advanced common sense society deals with it.

Post: #24

I saw your first post and lost interest in reading, given the length. You're clearly dissatisfied with the current method of criminal detention we conduct here in the USA. What would you recommend as an alternative that would yield results citizens, jailers, and felons would be contented with?

Post: #25

(06-20-2018 10:19 AM)Cpt. Jack Sparrow Wrote:  I saw your first post and lost interest in reading, given the length. You're clearly dissatisfied with the current method of criminal detention we conduct here in the USA. What would you recommend as an alternative that would yield results citizens, jailers, and felons would be contented with?

Read my other posts, I have detailed my views quite clear by now!