Post: #301

Well, dry fasting is the best for health but hardest to do. There are too many benefits to list. I’ve managed a 3 day hard dry fast and will try to stretch to a 5 day maybe this year or next year. I still enjoy doing 3-4 days water fast, which are pretty easy now.

Post: #302

(06-11-2018 09:40 AM)Bain Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 07:27 AM)christpuncher Wrote:  Alrite, I'm going to try a 3 day water only fast this weekend. Eat dinner Thursday, make it though work on Friday on an empty stomach, then go till Sunday dinner with only water.

Good luck - you will feel incredible when you complete it and have your first bite of Watermelon.

Here are some tips to consider:

Don't start your fast on fri while you are working. The first day is the most important and usually the most difficult. Have a good lunch on friday -- but for dinner try to just have some fruits or veggies only and maybe a litre of water or just some green tea.

Start the fast on Sat. Stay in -- rest, rest, rest. Maybe read a book. Refrain form arduous activity -- but you can go out for a light walk and get some good air. Sunday do the same. Then see how you feel on Monday. If you can take the day off work. If you have to work - at least you have done your two days which is also a good start. The third day of fast is the usually the most difficult -- then it gets a lot easier after that.

Don't break the fast at dinner, break it at breakfast. Go to sleep early. Once you are asleep, you have no hunger pains.

Breaking the fast correctly is more important than doing the fast itself. Break it by first having warm lemon water with a bit of salt. Use fresh lemon.

Then try to drink a litre of water slowly.

Then eat water rich fruits only. Best is water melon. .

Then for lunch make your own soup will a lot of water liquid and fresh vegetables.

Ease into normal eating.

Thanks Bain and TG.

I'm only 18 hours in so far... starting to get hungry. I normally don't eat breakfast anyways, but now I've skipped lunch as well and it's late afternoon and am feeling it. I fucked up already though and had a black coffee with 1/2tsp of sugar when I woke up this morning without thinking about it...

Based on how I'm feeling now, getting to Sunday night might be ambitious... And I have dinner leftovers in the fridge right now taunting me. Grilled garlic shrimp and tomatoes with rice, fuck.

Just did some light Qigong exercising around noon, and am watching Starwars to try and distract myself now. Think I need to get out of the house this evening to avoid eating...

I'm gonna cut up a pineapple right now for breaking the fast later.

Post: #303

(06-15-2018 03:55 PM)christpuncher Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 09:40 AM)Bain Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 07:27 AM)christpuncher Wrote:  Alrite, I'm going to try a 3 day water only fast this weekend. Eat dinner Thursday, make it though work on Friday on an empty stomach, then go till Sunday dinner with only water.

Good luck - you will feel incredible when you complete it and have your first bite of Watermelon.

Here are some tips to consider:

Don't start your fast on fri while you are working. The first day is the most important and usually the most difficult. Have a good lunch on friday -- but for dinner try to just have some fruits or veggies only and maybe a litre of water or just some green tea.

Start the fast on Sat. Stay in -- rest, rest, rest. Maybe read a book. Refrain form arduous activity -- but you can go out for a light walk and get some good air. Sunday do the same. Then see how you feel on Monday. If you can take the day off work. If you have to work - at least you have done your two days which is also a good start. The third day of fast is the usually the most difficult -- then it gets a lot easier after that.

Don't break the fast at dinner, break it at breakfast. Go to sleep early. Once you are asleep, you have no hunger pains.

Breaking the fast correctly is more important than doing the fast itself. Break it by first having warm lemon water with a bit of salt. Use fresh lemon.

Then try to drink a litre of water slowly.

Then eat water rich fruits only. Best is water melon. .

Then for lunch make your own soup will a lot of water liquid and fresh vegetables.

Ease into normal eating.

Thanks Bain and TG.

I'm only 18 hours in so far... starting to get hungry. I normally don't eat breakfast anyways, but now I've skipped lunch as well and it's late afternoon and am feeling it. I fucked up already though and had a black coffee with 1/2tsp of sugar when I woke up this morning without thinking about it...

Based on how I'm feeling now, getting to Sunday night might be ambitious... And I have dinner leftovers in the fridge right now taunting me. Grilled garlic shrimp and tomatoes with rice, fuck.

Just did some light Qigong exercising around noon, and am watching Starwars to try and distract myself now. Think I need to get out of the house this evening to avoid eating...

I'm gonna cut up a pineapple right now for breaking the fast later.

I think that I have mentioned how time can drag when your day is not broken up by meals. When preparing for a fast, it is a good idea to make a list of light-duty activities to keep yourself busy: go for walks (Qigong is also great), clean your home office, or telephone friends and family members to whom you have not spoken recently. I highly recommend going for a mild walk (or Qigong) during your normal meal time, because even mild exercise can reduce the appetite. I read recently that doing twenty or so deep-knee bends can stop cravings of particular foods (but I have not yet tried it). I eat everything in my refrigerator before beginning a fast (except for my post-fast food). Why would you cut up the pineapple now, if you are trying to make it to Sunday night? You are just tempting yourself. Go to bed early. Your body craves rest and sleep during a fast. If you are sleeping, then you are not eating. Sleep is your friend. Good luck.

Post: #304

^ I've already cleaned the kitchen haha, and did the pineapple cause it was on my counter so I figure cut it up now and get in the back of the fridge while I can resist the temptation.

Gonna go for a walk with the GF this evening, maybe bang, and will go fishing in the morning to get out of the house and avoid early breakfast. I don't think I'll be able to make it to Sunday honestly. Weekend brunch tomorrow is sounding mighty good right now...

Post: #305

(06-15-2018 04:22 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  I'm gonna cut up a pineapple right now for breaking the fast later

lol

Bro, you are building your fasting muscles. It gets easier when the fasting muscles get developed.

On one hand don't put pressure on yourself to complete it. You can break it anytime you want.

On the other hand tell your mind I am not a slave of food! I am the #^%#* master of it!

Also it is not your body or biology that wants the food -- your digestive system is thanking you for the break and rest it is getting. It is your emotions that are going haywire. It is called emotional eating. You need to man up and F..king control it. With persistence you will get them under control and it will get a lost easier.

Post: #306

24 hrs since my last food. Skipping dinner is even harder than skipping lunch. Going for a brief stroll after the Jays game and then bed

Post: #307

I just watched another functional health video where a doctor discusses fasting. He basically says to keep fasting until your body tells you it is time to stop.

Quote:[00:21:30] [00:22:00] Dr. Jockers: Now, how long is it safe to do the fasting? It looks like she's asking. Yeah, and so it really depends on an adult versus a child. In general, I've had people, I had one man with ulcerative colitis, really bad ulcerative colitis and he was about 5 ft 11 and 130 lbs. really, really thin. He actually did a 40-day fast. 40 day water fast. He got down to about 115 lbs. He lost another 15 lbs. He was like skin and bones. Once he started eating... he told me the whole time he was fasting like "This is the best I've felt.” After day five or six, he was like, “this is the best I have felt in 10 years." He was 30 years old at the time. Since he was in college, he hadn't been able to hold down a job or anything. Anyways, his bloody stools went away, all this kind of stuff. Once he started actually eating... So he was like skin and bones by the time he was done with this fast, but he felt good.

[00:22:30] [00:23:00] Once he started eating, he had more energy, he started exercising and lifting weights and in a matter of six months he got to 175 lbs of muscle. He went from 115 to 175 in six months, and just muscle and looked great and has been extremely healthy every since then. You know, I don't really, you know, with fasting, obviously, it's a good idea to work with a doctor or clinician or somebody that can help coach you, or a health coach. Basically, make sure you're hydrating. I don't recommend dry fast. Make sure that you're hydrating your body well. Sometimes taking some extra minerals can also be really helpful. If you are really debilitated in your condition, it's even more important to work with a doctor or a health coach that's experienced with this.

[00:23:30] If you're just looking to fast, I typically tell people fast until your body... like go three to five days in that range, and usually you're starting to feel a lot better when you hit that point, and then just kind of listen to your intuition. Your body will tell you. God will speak through your spirit, and that's the cool thing about fasting. You'll actually get more in touch with the messages your body is giving you. Your intuition, your spirit is able to, there's less interference in the way. You're able to communicate with your spirit more effectively, and I think you'll be lead in the right direction with that. Obviously, when you're fasting, it's a really great time to pray and spend a lot of time with God, and I think if you do that, you're not going to be lead astray.

Post: #308

Well, I broke the fast after 40 hrs. Ate some pineapple late in the morning then a couple hours later went out for brunch.

Waking up this morning, I felt like I could have kept going easily. But on the weekends it's my time to go out for food and enjoy myself, so I think I'll have to start a fast further into the weekday the next time I try so that I'll be busy with work and not have to think about food.

The main thing was that I felt really bored. All of a sudden I realized that I didn't really have much to think about or do with my life when I wasn't thinking about, planning or preparing my next 1 to 2 meals. And it made me realize how much food consumes my thoughts and controls my actions/plans for the day.

Next time I'm going to push for 60hrs plus, and plan for what food I have and don't have in my house a little more closely. Having delicious leftovers in the fridge that you just cooked is a bad idea.

Post: #309

Who is next to give this fasting a try?

Post: #310

No thanks

Post: #311

Are you afraid to fast bc your doctor says so:

FEAR Makes You A FAT, SICK, PIG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oxWI1Aw...HJMfvqz0-6

Post: #312

No I'm not afraid, I see no potential benefits that could not be achieved via other means as I outlined in my previous posts.

Post: #313

Side note: The guy in the video you posted seems insane.
I skipped through the video to see if he stops yelling at any point?
Around 45 minutes the guys says he dry fasts all day, then pisses in his hands and rubs it over his head afterwards and has immaculate skin as a result.

Sorry but I can't take that seriously.

Post: #314

Recently did a 36 hour fast. Was still able to get a bit of work done during the day but the hunger was distracting at times. Felt great afterwords, and probably could have kept going since I wasn't that hungry the next morning. Will try it every couple of weeks or so and work my way up to a 3 day fast. I'm pretty sure I lost almost a pound of fat. I also lost a pound or two of water weight that came back once I was back on a regular diet.

Post: #315

(06-17-2018 08:31 PM)Bain Wrote:  Who is next to give this fasting a try?

Ive been doing it since March, Started with the 16:8 if way back in August. and my longest time has been 90 hours back in April. I just ordered some Potassium Chloride online as ifs gotten a lot warmer and a lot more humid, so doing a 48-72 and beyond is kinda impossible without potassium. Did a 48 this week and felt like absolute garbage around the 44 hour-48 hour mark, so I had to eat.

Post: #316

You are just building your fasting muscles - just like any other mental or physical muscles -- difficult and not pleasant in the beginning but overtime becomes more easy and pleasant. Its a great accomplishment to be a master of food and not a slave of it. Good luck bro.

Post: #317

Dr. Mercola recently published a new article that discusses one aspect of fasting. It was interesting to read that turmeric (and other foods and herbs) activate the autophagy mechanism.

I am still on that kitchari diet that I mentioned a few pages back. I make a batch large enough to last me for both lunch and dinner and each batch contains a heaping tablespoon of tumeric! So, without even knowing it, I having been activating autophagy almost every day for the past month. Kitchari also contains seven other herbs -- or about three-quarters of a cup of Indian spices in each batch. I guess that is part of why kitchari is considered a healing food.

Quote:The Importance of Cyclical Autophagy

Like myself, Whittel also reached the conclusion that it is important to cycle many lifestyle choices to improve your health. For her, it began with the intuitive understanding that cells are either building or detoxing, and each phase has its own requirements. Fasting, meaning abstaining from food altogether, turned out to be a crucial component that ultimately allowed her to control the inflammation in her body, and she's been doing cyclical fasting for nearly 25 years.

Again, one of the things fasting does is activate autophagy, your body's cleanout process that cleanses and detoxifies the cell and recycles the parts of the organelles that are no longer needed, so that your cells behave more youthfully. But autophagy cannot remain continuously activated all the time. You also need to allow the cells to rebuild and rejuvenate, which occurs during the refeeding phase.

In her search for experts on autophagy, Whittel came across the work of Dr. Richard Wang, a dermatologist and autophagy expert, Dr. Beth Levine, whose focus is on exercise, and William A. Dunn, Ph.D., at the University of Florida, who has been researching autophagy for 30 years, among others. She then put together a protocol to build up her own health.

" … David Sinclair at Harvard … was sharing with me a lot of the insights around how we can reduce the impact of these accelerated agers. When you look at all the ways that we age — the effects of the DNA impact, the inflammation, the telomere shortening, all of these things — autophagy and the way that autophagy slows down as we age due to these accelerated agers, is at the foundation of the way we age.

So being able to activate [autophagy], and then also deactivate it, is something that is fundamental to the aging process. 'Glow15' is that protocol. What was so fascinating, when I first did it on myself, was that my energy skyrocketed. I increased my lean muscle mass and reduced my body mass index by about 6 percent, so I went from 24 to 18 percent [body fat].

I wasn't doing anything other than activating my autophagy. My energy, my mental focus, my sleep improved, and I just felt so much better. And I looked younger, for sure, so everyone in my world said, 'Hey, what are you doing?' Then I started to try it on my friends and family. Then some of my friends at Jacksonville University, some of the researchers there, said, 'Why don't we create a lifestyle study?'

So, we took a group of 35 participants, and we put them through this lifestyle. Every single participant achieved results … in 15 days, and that's how the book got the name 'Glow15.' They lost weight, they reduced their fine lines and wrinkles … they got off medications. It was truly remarkable, the benefits. So that's how the protocol was developed."

How to Activate Autophagy

So just how do you go about activating your body's autophagy mechanism? Here's a summary of four of the 11 strategies detailed in her book:

1. Intermittent fasting coupled with protein cycling (IFPC) — Intermittent fasting every other day (16 hours of not eating, which is the time needed to activate autophagy, and eight hours of scheduled eating). On days when you're not doing the intermittent fasting, eat the regular amount of protein you would normally consume, and on your intermittent fasting day, cut protein to about 5 percent of your calories for the day.

"So, for somebody like me who would normally eat about 45 to 50 grams of protein … [on low protein days] I'll take about 5 percent of my overall caloric intake, which is about 25 grams of protein," Whittel explains.

2. Timing of nutrients — Eat fats first and carbohydrates last, whether you're intermittently fasting or not.

"On a low [protein] day, when you've done an intermittent fast, your first meal will be about fat, and fat first. Then at the end of the day, you'll have carbohydrates, and we talk about the quality carbohydrates that we need for health.

Also, when you're eating carbs later on in the day, in the evening as your last meal, you're getting all of the benefits, from recovery to helping you relax and get ready to go to sleep. So, fat first and carbs last is my second principle," Whittel says.

3. Cyclical exercise — Every other day, do 30 minutes of high-intensity interval training or resistance training. "It could be as simple as walking faster for a minute and then slowing down, and doing that back and forth for 30 minutes. Resistance training could even be doing yoga," she says. "It's that acute stress, that good stress, that has a beneficial impact on autophagy."

4. Eat more autophagy-activating foods — Whittel includes 140 different types of foods that help activate autophagy — such as citrus bergamot tea, green tea and turmeric — and different ones are recommended depending on whether you're doing intermittent fasting and low protein that day or not. For example, on a fasting, low-protein day, she recommends removing the egg white (the high-protein part) when eating eggs. On nonfasting, high-protein days, eat both the egg white and the yolk.

Cyclical Autophagy Activation Is Crucial for Optimal Health and Longevity

"In 2016, the Nobel Prize in medicine was given to the Japanese biologist Yoshinori Ohsumi for his research around autophagy … It's going to be such a big part of our health and well-being over the next decade, and now the research is really starting to come together," she says. Her book is an outgrowth of diving into the available research, so to learn more about autophagy and how to activate this rejuvenating process, be sure to pick up a copy of "Glow15."

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic...8421631%0A

Post: #318

I stopped my keto diet today -- started it June 1 -- barely no carbo hydrates.-- interesting experience. I am going to go to normal eating for a week or so -- and then resume it. After three weeks of no carbs -- your body gets use to it. Especially no sugar. It felt weird having carbs again -- and just a small amount of sugar also felt alien -- but now the sugar cravings are acting powerful.

I just made green tea and added tumeric to it also. Tumeric is highly regarded by many -- I am still learning about it though.

I may try this kitchari diet also -- sounds quite interesting.

Post: #319

Another article by Dr. Mercola about autophagy, which includes information about fasting. This is just an excerpt:

Quote:Fasting Is a Powerful Way to Activate Autophagy

Based on the research that has emerged in recent years, I’m now convinced that multiple day water fasting is one of the most profound metabolic interventions you can do to radically improve your health, as it allows your body to upregulate autophagy and mitophagy to remove damaged senescent cells, including premalignant cells. It’s also an extremely effective way to shed excess weight and extend your life span.

For a refresher on how to do water fasting safely, see my interview with Dr. Jason Fung, who wrote “The Complete Guide to Fasting.” Many have irrational fears about water fasting, even for a few days, and Fung expertly shreds many outdated myths about fasting.

There are a few caveats, however. If you’re on medication, you need to work with your doctor to ensure safety, as some medications need to be taken with food and/or can become toxic when your body chemistry normalizes. Those taking hypoglycemic or antihypertensive medication are particularly at risk, as they may end up overdosing.

It’s also recommended to continue taking nutritional supplements during your fast. You also need to take a high-quality salt. Certain health conditions may also need more stringent medical supervision to ensure safety when fasting.

A gentler way that can still improve autophagy is intermittent fasting, provided you’re not eating for at least 16 hours at a stretch. This is the time needed to activate autophagy. That then means you need to eat all of your meals for the day within an eight-hour window, and not snack on anything during fasting hours.

If you want to try a water-only fast, I recommend starting out by intermittently fasting about 16 hours a day, and slowly working your way up to 20 hours a day. Once you’ve done that for a month, it will be a lot easier to do a water fast for five days.

http://tapnewswire.com/2018/06/gobbles-u...for-pills/

Post: #320

(06-21-2018 08:27 PM)Bain Wrote:  I just made green tea and added tumeric to it also. Tumeric is highly regarded by many -- I am still learning about it though.

Make sure that your turmeric is certified organic. I just discovered that some turmeric growers adulterate their turmeric with lead.

Quote:Turmeric growers are intentionally adding lead, it’s not mysteriously finding its way into their crops and ultimately, into bottles on your store shelves.

Reporters speculate that lead chromate, which is identical in color, is added to enhance the weight and the color.

However, when a local newspaper interviewed a turmeric grower in India, he revealed that lead is added deliberately to hide imperfections or marks of pest attacks.

Specifically, lead chromate is added during the boiling and polishing process to make the roots look more attractive to big spice buyers and processing firms.

https://www.naturalstacks.com/blogs/news...-with-lead

https://theheartysoul.com/lead-in-turmeric/

Post: #321

Want to give it a try. Never tried this before, and I eat a lot. Should I start with one day?
Any benefits if I do this, fe every monday? Or should I gradually increase the days. Not sure if there are also disadvantages to this.

Post: #322

If you eat a lot bro - then try doing 16 - 8 interment fasting. Meaning two meals a day within a 8 hour period -- and 16 hours of daily fasting. No snacks in between - the snacks its what spikes the insulin and creates havoc.

And yes start doing a one day water only fast once per week.

Post: #323

TG - what about getting the turmeric root which is easily available and make your own tumeric powder?

Getting certified organic tumeric is not easy to find and is often expensive. What percentage should be the ciriculim -- some say it should be as high as 95% -- most certified tumeric does not state the percentage. What brand would you recommend?

Post: #324

(07-01-2018 03:16 AM)Bain Wrote:  TG - what about getting the turmeric root which is easily available and make your own tumeric powder?

Getting certified organic tumeric is not easy to find and is often expensive. What percentage should be the ciriculim -- some say it should be as high as 95% -- most certified tumeric does not state the percentage. What brand would you recommend?

The second article in my last post lists five safe brands, many of which are available on Amazon. If you buy a one-pound bag of organic turmeric powder it is far cheaper than buying capsules made by a supplement company.

Post: #325

ONE DAY WATER ONLY FAST CHALLENGE

Sunday July 8, 2018

Are you guys up for it. If so post a reply.

More details and helpful tips to be given the day of.

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