RE: The lowdown on Ho Chi Minh/Vietnam - datasheet
I have recently visited Saigon for 10 days and I decided to log my experiences for my first trip report on RVF. This turned out to be a VERY long post, I hope you guys enjoy it and feel free to ask me any questions.
During this trip, I have also popped my RVF meetup cherry: I had my first ever forum member meetup.
Background / About me
Skip this section if you don't care. I'm including it to give perspective about my trip and how a guy like me is perceived over here.
Physique: I am a Caucasian guy from Western Europe. I am 6'2 and in my early 30s. You won't hear girls call me handsome all the time, but I'm not ugly either. I'm confident, but my body language needs some work.
My body is pretty average. 86kgs, 18% bodyfat, some muscle definition but nothing to write home about. Lifting has always been a sticking point and I only recently started taking it seriously (complete beginner) and my max squat is probably around my bodyweight at the moment.
Style: I typically wear jeans, sneakers and a polo shirt and that's about as stylish as it gets. I sweat alot and as such, I tend to avoid dress shirts, let alone a blazer or a suit. I'll literally soak them within an hour or 2.
Travel experience: I am well traveled, with almost 4 years experience in South East Asia. I have traveled extensively around each country in the region and have lived long term in 3 of them (ranging between 6 months and 2 years each). Needless to say, I am pretty culturally aware. This was my 5th trip to Vietnam, 3 of which I've stayed in Saigon before.
Lifestyle: I work online and am pretty much location independent. I don't make baller figures, but more than enough to live comfortably in South East Asia.
Game: Intermediate. I've had a lot of success here in SEA. I’m not gonna lie: 80% of that is because I'm tall and white. 20% is because I dress and act civilized and respectful, unlike the typical backpacking Western morons the locals are usually exposed to. Not hating on you backpackers out there; I used to be one. But I’ve moved on.
Type of game: I use Tinder a lot, although not all of my lays come from it. I'd say 60% of my lays comes from Tinder. Even with my "average joe" physique and style + shitty photos and profile, Tinder is still the way to go for me in SEA. Go figure.
I like both night game and day game, but I don’t like heading out to “go gaming” or whatever that means. I'll do daytime approaches during my daily errands if I feel like it, and I'll approach when out at night when I feel like it. But I never venture out for the sole reason to approach. It's mostly just opportunities presenting themselves and acting on IOI's.
Day 1
I landed at Saigon airport around 1pm and got to my Airbnb apartment in district 1 around 3pm. I was starving and immediately went out to look for some food in the neighborhood.
I quickly found a Banh Mi stall, and as I'm waiting in line for my food, this local girl who's also waiting repeatedly looks at me shyly. All I had to do was open my mouth and say hi. After 30 seconds of talking, she basically throws her number at me. "Sorry I have to go now but here's my number, text me".
Great start!
I had started pipelining on Tinder about a week before my arrival, and in the evening I had a date with the girl I’d looked forward to meeting the most. A slightly nerdy and innocent looking girl with glasses and a hidden naughty side, like a kinky secretary. Above average height for Asians. Exactly my type.
I arrive to the date venue and she's there waiting for me in a black dress and 5 inch heels. Perfect.
As the date progresses, I start realizing this girl is the personification of what I and many others on this forum find so attractive and pleasant about Vietnamese girls.
She's confident but still feminine.
She's sexy but still classy.
She's direct but still polite.
She's conservative but still adventurous.
Yes, it is perfectly possible for a girl to combine all of these features. Just go to Vietnam!
After 2 venue changes I try to pull her home, which isn't happening. Didn't get past cuddling and a kiss. I was already expecting that though, given my own and other forum members' previous experience with Vietnamese girls. No worries, still a great date and I'm confident I'll get the lay next time.
Day 2
During the day I decide to walk around my neighborhood a bit to see what's there. Pretty local feel, even though it's right in district 1 and close to the infamous Bui Vien street, which is a tourist trap, a backpacker shit hole, a p4p spot with lots of crime and scams, and should be avoided like the plague.
Last night's girl (let’s call her “glasses girl”) messages me asking if I want to grab lunch with her. I agree and meet her about 15 minutes away by grab bike. Pleasant 2nd date, lasted about 2 hours before she had to go and meet a friend. At this point I'm even more confident to get the lay on our 3rd date, which I plan to schedule in the evening a few days later.
It's a Saturday, so in the evening I decide to go out rolling solo. Around 7pm I end up in a small restaurant near the aforementioned shit hole street.
There's a decent looking milf sitting alone a few tables away. Classy dress and heels. I can just smell that she's looking for something and that she's definitely NOT a freelance hooker, even though I am near Saigon’s p4p central (SEA experience paying off).
I approach and it turns out I'm right. She's 34 years old and from a small town 3 hours from Saigon, visiting family for a couple days. Tonight is her "own night out". English isn't great, but good enough.
I figure out logistics. She’s staying 1 block away from my place. Upon closer inspection I don't find her all that attractive, but would bang if presented on a silver platter with no effort required. I get the number and bounce.
I end up in the Bui Vien shit hole street anyway, pounding beers. This is what tends to happen when I go out solo. And I must admit, this street can be a lot of fun for a night (just watch your stuff). I was actually surprised to see way more locals here compared to a few years ago. Did some approaches and small talk, but nothing sticks.
Around 11.30pm it starts turning into more of a sausage fest and more seedy people show up. I decide to go for the sure thing. I message the milf and she replies immediately, asking where to meet. I send her my address.
I arrive 30 minutes later and she's waiting at my front door. We go up and pretty much start fucking immediately. She's a fun lay but nothing to write home about. After the deed she's getting pretty comfortable in my bed, obviously wanting to spend the night. I make up some bullshit excuse and politely kick her out. Felt slightly bad about it, but fuck it.
My plan was to head back out as it was only 1am and I was hungry for more, but ultimately decided against it and passed out.
Day 3
Since most girls work during the week, I decided to make full use of this Sunday and scheduled 3 dates. I was also still texting heavily with several other girls, in case a date flaked and I had to replace last minute. It felt a bit exhausting really, but my goal here was to maximize my odds.
The girls I scheduled dates with were 3 girls from the Tinder pipeline.
Date 1) Lunch date with one of my hotter prospects, who was also the least likely to put out on the first date (based on our chats so far). Scheduled her first to get the first date out of the way, and maybe get the bang on a date 2 or date 3 another day. Late 20’s.
Date 2) 4pm coffee shop date near my place with a complete wild card girl. Hadn't chatted much before, and it was purely based on her looks and because she agreed to meet. Maybe 5 messages exchanged. Early 20’s.
Date 3) Evening date with a girl I was pretty sure I could close on date 1. Attractive but not a stunner. The most DTF one of the three. I figured I can always flake on this one if one of the first 2 dates sticks around and I can’t make it to this date. Early 20’s.
I show up at my lunch date and she’s there waiting for me in tight yoga pants and a top, but her face is still dolled up to the 9’s. Basically a gym outfit with makeup. It’s an unusual look for me, but I’m digging it. Very attractive look to me and she definitely looks better than her pictures online.
The date is going pretty well, it’s not too short and not too long. I got quite some touching in and my intentions are obvious, but it’s clear to me that there’s 0% chance of me getting anywhere today, as I already expected. I figure I’ve maximized my physical escalation on this date and we part ways. At this point I’m pretty positive about my prospects for next time. I make a mental note to schedule a 2nd date in an evening with her later this week.
After this, I head to my 4pm coffee date with the wild card girl. Not much to say here really. She’s attractive enough but, frankly, quite boring. I don’t feel any desire to escalate or make this last longer than it should, especially after my previous date with the hotter girl. There’s nothing particularly wrong about her either, but I’m just not feeling it. After about an hour I make up an excuse and bounce.
I relax a bit at my place and meet the DTF girl for some drinks in the evening. 3 out of 3 girls showed up today, no flakes. Not bad.
This girl turns out to be loads of fun to be around. She’s just very open about everything and really easy going. She’s attractive enough, and I had no doubt this would result in a bang. Sure enough, after a couple hours and a few drinks later, that’s what happened and she became my 2nd bang of the trip. The sex was average, but a lot of fun nonetheless, in line with her personality. Wish more chicks had personalities like this.
I walk her back to where her motorbike is parked, return home and pass out.
Day 4
During the day, I just stayed at home. Got some much needed rest from the weekend and also had to get some work done.
In the early evening, I had a last minute date with another Vietnamese girl I’d been chatting with for a while. My expectations weren’t very high as her photo’s were vague, which normally isn’t a very good sign and I usually wouldn’t even bother. This time I did go through with it though, and man, am I glad I did so.
I arrive at the venue and am greeted by what turns out to be one of the hotter girls I’ve dated in a while. On top of her being hot, the date is going fantastic. Everything feels natural, we are vibing from the first moment and my physical escalation is happening almost automatically and naturally. She’s very receptive to it. Our personalities also match perfectly.
It’s one of these rare first encounters with a girl where you just instinctively know that she’s different from the others, but you can’t quite pinpoint why. Things just click.
Logistics were a big issue on this date, so it was pretty much guaranteed that I wouldn’t get anywhere on the first date. I did get a sneaky kiss in before leaving (keeping in mind to do it stealthily as I’m well aware of the importance of face and not showing too many public displays of affection in Asia).
In the cab back to my place, I had a really good feeling about this one.
But I couldn’t linger on this great date too much, as later that same night I had another meeting planned which I looked forward to. I had my first ever RVF meetup with forum member CleanSlate.
We met up for some beers and I greatly enjoyed it. It was really good to meet a man who’s posts and journey I’d already been following with great interest for years as a lurker of this very forum. To CS: Really man, you have no idea how inspirational your and other senior members’ posts and stories are to (former) lurkers like me. It changes lives.
We exchanged stories and tips about travel, women and business. Very refreshing to talk to someone who is red pilled and on the same page on a lot of subjects. There is one particularly fucked up story he should definitely post on this forum, but I doubt he ever will, lol.
Day 5
During the day, I mostly worked and walked around district 1 a bit. Since I have already visited Saigon several times, there is not much new touristy stuff for me to see here. I do like how walkable district 1 is, even though it’s hot as fuck.
At night I went for my third date with the glasses girl I met on my first and second days here. I’m thinking that tonight should definitely be the night I close her, and I had good hopes beforehand since I had left her no doubt about my intentions during the previous date. She’d also been very receptive to my physical escalation and was getting comfortable with me touching and hugging her.
However, during this date the same thing happened yet again: we talk and cuddle all evening and I get her closer and closer to my place, but when it’s time to enter my building, she stops me and says she should go home. No kiss either, even though she’s clearly interested.
I don’t show it, but I’m getting slightly annoyed by this Vietnamese 1 million date close bullshit. I don’t have time for this stuff, given the fact that I’m only here for a short time. I hug her goodbye with the mental note that I won’t pursue her anymore, although it’s a shame because I did like her a lot.
On the other hand, she’s clearly looking for something long term. I’m not the guy for that at this time, as I’ve been upfront and honest about. So in a way, I guess it’s for the best that I don’t pump and dump her.
Day 6
During the day, I met up with CleanSlate again at a coffee shop where we both got some work done. We discovered that both our fields of work have some overlap and we could be of value to each other, which was good. It was interesting to see what he does and we exchanged a few tips and contacts here and there.
In the evening, I had my second date with the hotter-than-usual girl I had my brief first date with on Day 4. I made sure to have logistics on lock this time, the venue wasn’t too far from where I was staying. Decided to take her for dinner at a slightly upscale place.
She shows up looking absolutely stunning, she’s dressed up and dolled up, wearing a sexy dress and heels. Almost to the point where I felt a bit underdressed, lol. But I stay stoic and greet her like I would any average girl.
We enter the venue (I’d never been before, just found it online and suggested it to her) and I immediately scout for the best spot to get some physical escalation in. I spot a couch, take her hand and just lead her there. I remember thinking I’m damn smooth right now (lol).
The date is basically a continuation of where we left off 2 days ago. She chills in my arms from the first second. I remember being at a loss about how effortless everything is going. Even before our drinks and food arrive, I already know she’s going home with me tonight and I’ll be sealing the deal with that hot little body.
Fast forward 2 hours, and that is exactly what happened. She came home with me, and to make a long story short, I fucked the shit out of her in every position imaginable in a 2 hour session. I usually don’t like girls sleeping in my bed (unless it’s my girlfriend) but at this point I don’t care what she does, I’m that exhausted. We pass out together.
Day 7 – 10
The last few days of the trip I spent working during the day, including another half work / half socializing meetup with CleanSlate. In evenings, I was mostly chilling with this same girl every evening, and we also did a mini trip together.
I am not looking for a long term relationship currently, but apart from her looks, this girl does tick a lot of my boxes and, under the right circumstances, I can see something more serious growing out of this. It’s way too early to draw any real conclusions, but I can confirm that I will be spending more time with her in the near future. I am location independent, which allows me to do so.
Because of the risk of doxing myself, I do not want to go into too much detail about this particular girl. So I will leave it at that regarding the end of my trip.
In conclusion
To start off with the bang statistics: 3 bangs in 10 days (1 night, 2 online), with the notion that the third bang was a girl I ended up starting a mini relationship with, and possibly more.
I admittedly did come here on a mini bang mission, but you never know how things turn out.
If I hadn’t met this girl, I am confident I could have secured at least 3 more bangs, and that’s just from the existing pipeline. The glasses girl I started to ignore after 3 dates was chasing me hard near the end of my time here. It’s a shame I didn’t get that bang, as she was my top priority prior to coming here.
Such is life.
Other fairly certain bangs were the yoga pants + make up girl I went on a date with on day 3, and the girl whose number I got at the Banh Mi stall on day 1. Both were pushing hard for a meetup when I was on that short trip with my new mini relationship girl.
Another highlight of this trip was having my first ever forum meetup with forum member CleanSlate. It truly is great to meet a man who is on the same page and I have been in contact with him ever since. I am very sure we will meet again in the future, beers on me!
I wanted to meet more forum members and CleanSlate did try to set something up I think, but it didn’t work out. We will do that for sure during my next visit to this awesome city.
I now realize I haven’t included many observations on Vietnamese girls or Saigon as a city. I definitely have a thing or two to say about both subjects, but I will post those another time.
This report is already way too long as it is!
To everyone who made it this far: thanks for reading.
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