Post: #101

(06-03-2018 10:23 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

(06-03-2018 10:16 AM)Roardog Wrote:  I'm actually surprised this hasn't been sold to Netflix like Annihilation considering the bomb it's going to be.

Yep.
Jennifer Lawrence's 'Red Sparrow' most likely failed to make a profit.
Tomb Raider 2018 barely made a profit, if at all.
Annihilation came & went without any impact / fanfare (despite being 'saved' by Netflix).

"Girl power" does not sell well...

Admittedly Oceans 8 may do alright considering the cast.
Plus with little competition from Soylo & it's estimated budget of only - $70 million USD; it doesn't have to earn a ridiculous amount to achieve a profit.
Yet all the same, I can't foresee a great deal of enthusiasm for that film based off the main trailer nor for a half-arsed copy of the original films.

Saw both Red Sparrow and Tomb Raider (2018), both had a lot of potential and failed to meet it. Particularly Tomb Raider, such a good cast but so poorly executed.

(06-03-2018 10:48 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Ocean's 11 - 2001 :

Prod. budget - $85mil.
Worldwide gross - $451mil.

Ocean's 12 - 2004 :

Prod. budget - $110mil.
Worldwide gross - $363mil.

Ocean's 13 - 2007 :

Prod. budget - $85mil.
Worldwide gross - $311mil.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/search/?q=ocean
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean's_Thirteen

Bit of a different cinematic era. Less online torrents for one.
Yet I see a distinct downward trend in that franchise.

So when one does add in alternate access to media & struggling cinema revenue.
Being girl based may give the franchise a new element of flavour, but I doubt many will savour the flavour, nor that the flavour will last.

Ocean's 11 was a great film and the sequels were just do-over kock offs, I'm not surprised at all they didn't achieve the same returns.

This all girl one is even worse than those, it's an unoriginal knock off with a passe "twist" to appeal to the "girl power" faction.
What they don't realise is that faction is a vocal minority without the dollars to make this a success. As Ghost Busters found out.

Post: #102

< And in addition they don't realize that both Ghostbusters as well as Ocean's 8 heist movie are male-interest movies.

Making them all-female would not change that - the only way how to maybe pull more men into it would be to reward the male gaze and have a bunch of super-hotties collected who are all sexy. But that would mean ditching the mostly 40-55yo cast and dolling up the women, letting them use feminine appeal to get the plan across - also go more into a comedy etc.

But since such a movie would be demeaning and chauvinist (the wamyn need to be taken seriously like the men), then they are going to sink another 20-30$ mio. into it, because who cares - propaganda is not cheap.

Post: #103

(06-04-2018 01:05 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  < And in addition they don't realize that both Ghostbusters as well as Ocean's 8 heist movie are male-interest movies.

Making them all-female would not change that - the only way how to maybe pull more men into it would be to reward the male gaze and have a bunch of super-hotties collected who are all sexy. But that would mean ditching the mostly 40-55yo cast and dolling up the women, letting them use feminine appeal to get the plan across - also go more into a comedy etc.

But since such a movie would be demeaning and chauvinist (the wamyn need to be taken seriously like the men), then they are going to sink another 20-30$ mio. into it, because who cares - propaganda is not cheap.

Besides, there's probably already porn versions of those movies to reward the male gaze. "Nutbusters" and "Ocean's 8 inch".

And, let's not forget that Ocean's 11 was already a remake:

Post: #104

I want to point out the general lack of creativity that's out there.
Take a look at the movies throughout the year...then count how many of them are new ideas and how many are sequels, remakes, 2s, 3s, the revenge, the resurrection, etc...
Then just to be "politically correct" why don't we take this lack of ideas to a total new level, gender swapping and basically the same identical movie! Pathetic but makes some good advertising probably

Post: #105

I thought Red Sparrow was actually ok. I mean if you're on an airplane or stuck in a hotel room.

If they had just focused on the honey trap side of female espionage or even had her poison and shoot people which would at least be believable, and stayed away from the unbreakable, hard ass kicking mastermind stuff, it would have been a way better movie.

More tits would have helped too.

Post: #106

(06-04-2018 05:44 PM)SeaFM Wrote:  I thought Red Sparrow was actually ok. I mean if you're on an airplane or stuck in a hotel room.

If they had just focused on the honey trap side of female espionage or even had her poison and shoot people which would at least be believable, and stayed away from the unbreakable, hard ass kicking mastermind stuff, it would have been a way better movie.

More tits would have helped too.

Jeez - don't tell me that they made her into a super-soldier. Female assassins are known to kill by poison and various other female means - having sex and then assassinating the target in a weak moment is exactly how most female agents operate.

No surprise that they went the full grll-power route.

Post: #107

I can't see this movie making over 100 million. This shit is gonna bomb. It doesn't tick off the superhero or the star wars box. Yeah it's got famous people but no one cares about famous people in movies anymore. It doesn't appeal to any demographic. No female demographic is into heist movies. Men don't want to see women trying to do men stuff. They would have been better off making it a bridesmaids 2 or some shit.

Post: #108

Hopefully they were all paid 23% less to make up for it.

Post: #109

If there's one small silver lining.

The more they do these 'girl power' rip offs of other popular films / franchises (Ghostbusters 2016 / Oceans 8).
Or the more they try a 'female version of male character x', such as that film Atomic Blonde being a pseudo-female James Bond / Jason Bourne.

When these rip off films don't do well, it means there's one less chance for them to do this 'girl power version of x' trope.

Female Ghostbusters has come & gone.
Wonder Woman fervour has come & gone.
Star Wars is subverted to it's detriment.
X-Men & Avengers already include chicks. Plus Red Sparrow sucked the oxygen out of the room for a Black Widow stand alone film.
Many other big franchises are already done & dusted or wouldn't suit a female centric lead (Transformers, Pirates Caribbean, Fast & Furious).
There's now this Oceans 8 ready to fall flat.
Tomb Raider 2018 is a quasi female Indiana Jones. Although I can imagine them still trying to do a 'female Indiana Jones' as part of that franchise.
They still have that card to play...

Post: #110

(06-04-2018 10:25 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  If there's one small silver lining.

The more they do these 'girl power' rip offs of other popular films / franchises (Ghostbusters 2016 / Oceans 8).
Or the more they try a 'female version of male character x', such as that film Atomic Blonde being a pseudo-female James Bond / Jason Bourne.

When these rip off films don't do well, it means there's one less chance for them to do this 'girl power version of x' trope.

Female Ghostbusters has come & gone.
Wonder Woman fervour has come & gone.
Star Wars is subverted to it's detriment.
X-Men & Avengers already include chicks. Plus Red Sparrow sucked the oxygen out of the room for a Black Widow stand alone film.
Many other big franchises are already done & dusted or wouldn't suit a female centric lead (Transformers, Pirates Caribbean, Fast & Furious).
There's now this Oceans 8 ready to fall flat.
Tomb Raider 2018 is a quasi female Indiana Jones. Although I can imagine them still trying to do a 'female Indiana Jones' as part of that franchise.
They still have that card to play...

The crapmeisters in their propaganda driven insane ideology do not even realize the reasons why movies like Wonder Woman and Tomb Raider were successful.

Wonder Woman had a very likeable non-feminazi actress and she appeared still feminine while loving a man - if she was an ugly super-butch or feminazi then no one would have wanted to look at that crap.

And the new Tomb Raider barely made their production and marketing budget back. China with a surprise 80 mio. $ saved their asses, because the Chinese are all into video games and probably 98% of that came from gamers.

Though even there - they deliberately de-sexualized the actress! They told her to wear long pants instead of shorts while the actress actually wanted to show off her figure. It is pure insanity! What kind of bullshit is that? In the first Lara Croft the actress wore super-push-ups to make her tits look bigger and now some decade later they would likely deflate her tits with CGI.

Seriously - if things continue then you will see the ugly feminazi hambeasts as the only female heroines.

Post: #111

(06-04-2018 05:55 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Jeez - don't tell me that they made her into a super-soldier. Female assassins are known to kill by poison and various other female means - having sex and then assassinating the target in a weak moment is exactly how most female agents operate.

No surprise that they went the full grll-power route.

No they didn't make her into a super soldier. Actually whole movie is about double crossing and in that area it functions well. In my opinion the ending was well done. Now, in regard if Dominika could have made whole this we could dispute.

Post: #112

I just had an idea for a great female reboot Oceans 11 script, and what's more it's believable.

The heist goes like this. 11 chicks in the 5 to 6 range get together and drive to Silicon Valley. They each give one blowjob, get married and then get divorced.

Each of them ends up with 10 million dollars or so.

The great thing about the script is that the numbers scale easily. Oceans 11. Oceans 5. Just Ocean

Post: #113

(06-05-2018 06:24 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I just had an idea for a great female reboot Oceans 11 script, and what's more it's believable.

The heist goes like this. 11 chicks in the 5 to 6 range get together and drive to Silicon Valley. They each give one blowjob, get married and then get divorced.

Each of them ends up with 10 million dollars or so.

The great thing about the script is that the numbers scale easily. Oceans 11. Oceans 5. Just Ocean

Private Bankers all know that women mostly make their money either on their knees or by being daddy's little princess. Some 99%+ of all UHNWIs (above 30 mio.$ ) have almost never made their money with anything other than marrying wealthy man.

And that is why old Hollywood movies had this trope going - because it was true and it is still true. Too bad that their white hope of Elizabeth Holmes did not work out.

Post: #114

(06-05-2018 02:25 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  

(06-04-2018 05:55 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Jeez - don't tell me that they made her into a super-soldier. Female assassins are known to kill by poison and various other female means - having sex and then assassinating the target in a weak moment is exactly how most female agents operate.

No surprise that they went the full grll-power route.

No they didn't make her into a super soldier. Actually whole movie is about double crossing and in that area it functions well. In my opinion the ending was well done. Now, in regard if Dominika could have made whole this we could dispute.

Well she took the torture and didn't crack like all the men did. They definitely pushed the hard ass / unbreakable angle.

Post: #115

(06-05-2018 06:24 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I just had an idea for a great female reboot Oceans 11 script, and what's more it's believable.

The heist goes like this. 11 chicks in the 5 to 6 range get together and drive to Silicon Valley. They each give one blowjob, get married and then get divorced.

Each of them ends up with 10 million dollars or so.

The great thing about the script is that the numbers scale easily. Oceans 11. Oceans 5. Just Ocean

You could even add an 'Elizabeth Theranos' type character into that plot as well.

Post: #116

(06-05-2018 02:17 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  The crapmeisters in their propaganda driven... ...see the ugly feminazi hambeasts as the only female heroines.

What I was getting at with some of those films is that certain check-boxes have now been ticked. Never to be ticked again.

They could say in the past, there was no single standalone super-heroine film. Yet now, Wonder Woman has ticked that check box & the fervour (delusional or otherwise) has been placated.
Captain Marvel? Black Widow? Those films will be popular cause of the MCU association. Yet I doubt the media & public fuss for those films will equal what occurred for Wonder Woman
(I doubt they'll be demanding Golden Globes & Oscars for Captain Marvel for example).
Same again for Black Panther. They could claim, there's never been an African super-hero. Now; that checkbox is ticked & the fervour has been placated.

Yes they can always double if not triple down & demand an even more ridiculous checkbox (1st Muslim, tranny midget superhero).
Yet they are already struggling to turn a profit with their current levels of soycialism.
The more they persist, they more they'll head to bankruptcy.
Not that I can't ponder them doing just that...

Post: #117

(06-06-2018 03:16 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

(06-05-2018 02:17 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  The crapmeisters in their propaganda driven... ...see the ugly feminazi hambeasts as the only female heroines.

What I was getting at with some of those films is that certain check-boxes have now been ticked. Never to be ticked again.

They could say in the past, there was no single standalone super-heroine film. Yet now, Wonder Woman has ticked that check box & the fervour (delusional or otherwise) has been placated.
Captain Marvel? Black Widow? Those films will be popular cause of the MCU association. Yet I doubt the media & public fuss for those films will equal what occurred for Wonder Woman
(I doubt they'll be demanding Golden Globes & Oscars for Captain Marvel for example).
Same again for Black Panther. They could claim, there's never been an African super-hero. Now; that checkbox is ticked & the fervour has been placated.

Yes they can always double if not triple down & demand an even more ridiculous checkbox (1st Muslim, tranny midget superhero).
Yet they are already struggling to turn a profit with their current levels of soycialism.
The more they persist, they more they'll head to bankruptcy.
Not that I can't ponder them doing just that...

The left is insane.

There have been big budget superheroine movies as well as movies with big budget black heroes before:





They were just not popular.

And Blade was x-times better than Black Panther - and even he wasn't the first one:





They will claim that diversity did not exist in Marvel comics in the 1980s with a 50% female X-Men cast. They want their own brand of diversity of indoctrinated feminazi ugly fat or anti-male anti-Western anti-White women and blacks. Only then are they satisfied.

They don't care about facts.

There won't be an end to this ever. They rule fully - even companies like Marvel studios are ruled by them - they just give you enough propaganda so as the normies swallow the indoctrination cock slightly without vomiting. They would love to ram it down deeper like the Star Wars movie and Ghostbusters did, but currently not enough people support it.

Ah well - it's all moot frankly. Late stage Rome and all.....

Post: #118

Even the left wing Guardian thinks it's crap - 2 stars

Quote:The lifeless direction, the unrefined script, the underwhelming cameos, the distinct lack of fizz – there’s a slapdash nature to the assembly of Ocean’s 8 that makes it feel like the result of a rushed, often careless process. It’s made watchable thanks to the cast but star power alone cannot mask creative inadequacy. Stealing a diamond necklace is bad but wasting an opportunity like this is unforgivable.

However they still blame everything but the idea of gender swapped remakes. No surprises there.

Post: #119

(06-06-2018 07:31 AM)Roardog Wrote:  Even the left wing Guardian thinks it's crap - 2 stars

Quote:The lifeless direction, the unrefined script, the underwhelming cameos, the distinct lack of fizz – there’s a slapdash nature to the assembly of Ocean’s 8 that makes it feel like the result of a rushed, often careless process. It’s made watchable thanks to the cast but star power alone cannot mask creative inadequacy. Stealing a diamond necklace is bad but wasting an opportunity like this is unforgivable.

However they still blame everything but the idea of gender swapped remakes. No surprises there.

I just checked out the director and writers and no surprise.

Gary Ross co-wrote and directed it - he previously is more well-known as a screenwriter. He did Pleasantville and Dave, but you require a writer who knows how to do witty dialogue and highly charismatic unique characters. He also directed movies like Seabiscuit or the first Hunger Games. I doubt that it is his fault frankly albeit he may not be the right kind of guy for witty dialogue or needs someone else to help him.

And here is where it got worse - his co-writer is a feminazi writer who did one indie movie before called Dude about 4 high-school girls.

My guess is that she and the feminazi producing psychos including the directors of diversity were more concerned about strong independent depiction of the characters.

Quote:Everyone is defined by their job rather than their personality.

This is typical of cultural marxist feminazi SJWs. They observed it even in Marvel comics where every male and female character has exactly the same personality. Occasionally they give the males some kind of Ross from Friends personality while the women are either "quirky" SJWs or angry feminist SJWs who replicate super-macho-men.

SJWs cannot do good movies. It's no surprise that the strongest big budget movie in 2018 - Avengers Infinity War - had the least amount of feminazi and SJW points. The more you add, the worse it gets because all the propaganda comes at the cost of destroying either the logic of the world, the gripping story or the characters.

And if the mainstream is not giving this standing ovations like with the Ghostbusters reboot, then that movie is going to tank big-time.

Quote:But instead of being smart and surprising, it’s sloppy and predictable. Whenever the crew encounters a problem that might bring some much-needed tension, it’s fixed within seconds. The suspense evaporates, and so does our investment.

Another point of SJWs - women are always good at things - they solve things fast and easy. In the new SJW Marvel comics all the heroines beat the super-villains light and easy.

Just checked - the Rotten Tomato shill score is at 77%, so I guess that the paycheck is always more important - in addition to SJW crap.

Post: #120

Don't blame the actresses for the bad movie, blame the male director.

"I left Ocean's 8 more convinced than ever that no amount of fierce, fantastic female ensembles can overcome the mediocrity of a dull male director."

http://www.vulture.com/2018/06/oceans-8-review.html

Post: #121

(06-06-2018 10:49 AM)zoom Wrote:  Don't blame the actresses for the bad movie, blame the male director.

"I left Ocean's 8 more convinced than ever that no amount of fierce, fantastic female ensembles can overcome the mediocrity of a dull male director."

http://www.vulture.com/2018/06/oceans-8-review.html

Indeed - the guy who directed the Hunger Games, Seabiscuit and Pleasantville certainly is a hack.

His main co-writer who made the indie masterpiece Dude - she should have directed it. How about hiring only women for all positions? Just give the bitches 100 mio. $ and see them destroy Hollywood within one year.

Post: #122

(06-05-2018 06:24 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I just had an idea for a great female reboot Oceans 11 script, and what's more it's believable.

The heist goes like this. 11 chicks in the 5 to 6 range get together and drive to Silicon Valley. They each give one blowjob, get married and then get divorced.

Each of them ends up with 10 million dollars or so.

The great thing about the script is that the numbers scale easily. Oceans 11. Oceans 5. Just Ocean

Women think like parasites. "Where is a man (or man's creation) that I can latch myself onto?"

They are parasitical in nature. Unless they, themselves, are having a child, in which case they mentally shift into being like a goddess unto their own small universe. Any husband with a pregnant wife sees this...the state of pregnancy changes them into a force of nature. But outside of that 9 months and the childraising years that follow, they're just latched on to some guy. Even look at their preferred jobs -- accounting, nursing, HR. None of these are income generating.

Post: #123

(06-06-2018 10:54 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  

(06-05-2018 06:24 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I just had an idea for a great female reboot Oceans 11 script, and what's more it's believable.

The heist goes like this. 11 chicks in the 5 to 6 range get together and drive to Silicon Valley. They each give one blowjob, get married and then get divorced.

Each of them ends up with 10 million dollars or so.

The great thing about the script is that the numbers scale easily. Oceans 11. Oceans 5. Just Ocean

Women think like parasites. "Where is a man (or man's creation) that I can latch myself onto?"

They are parasitical in nature. Unless they, themselves, are having a child, in which case they mentally shift into being like a goddess unto their own small universe. Any husband with a pregnant wife sees this...the state of pregnancy changes them into a force of nature. But outside of that 9 months and the childraising years that follow, they're just latched on to some guy. Even look at their preferred jobs -- accounting, nursing, HR. None of these are income generating.

Pretty black pilled, but it's difficult to argue with a lot of that.

Post: #124

Women are symbiotic in nature. You can only consider them parasitic if you think men derive no joy from sex and being provided with children.

Everyone can provide value. Things only go wrong when the chicken demands to play the role of the mule and vice-versa.

Post: #125

(06-06-2018 11:10 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

(06-06-2018 10:54 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  

(06-05-2018 06:24 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I just had an idea for a great female reboot Oceans 11 script, and what's more it's believable.

The heist goes like this. 11 chicks in the 5 to 6 range get together and drive to Silicon Valley. They each give one blowjob, get married and then get divorced.

Each of them ends up with 10 million dollars or so.

The great thing about the script is that the numbers scale easily. Oceans 11. Oceans 5. Just Ocean

Women think like parasites. "Where is a man (or man's creation) that I can latch myself onto?"

They are parasitical in nature. Unless they, themselves, are having a child, in which case they mentally shift into being like a goddess unto their own small universe. Any husband with a pregnant wife sees this...the state of pregnancy changes them into a force of nature. But outside of that 9 months and the childraising years that follow, they're just latched on to some guy. Even look at their preferred jobs -- accounting, nursing, HR. None of these are income generating.

Pretty black pilled, but it's difficult to argue with a lot of that.

It's not really black pilled. As LDN points out, parasites can be symbionts.

But if you're a business owner, you'd damned sure better place the word "Parasite" (or ok, "symbiont" if you want to be nicer) in virtual red letters, across the forehead of every one of your female employees who isn't explicitly in sales or writing code. You'd better have a "female employee ratio" that you are watching like a hawk, making sure it's not going over a certain percentage.

Otherwise those parasites will pile up instantly and you'll end up going bankrupt like the SJW movie studios are about to.

Parasitism has to be fought aggressively, constantly, by the producers and builders of the world.