Post: #51

@tobehero,

How long are you staying in Tallinn?

Post: #52

2 weeks - 1 month.
Depends how I like it and if I get bored.
Hopefully it won't be exam or holiday season there.

Post: #53

(05-27-2018 01:15 AM)BlackFriar Wrote:  Get an apartment as close to Old Town as you can. Stay focused on the Old Town Square. Hit up tourists that are coming off the boats from Sweden and Finland. The women are looking for cock. If you stay at a hostel....try to get a private room. Hit up the Monks Bunk hostel, especially during beer pong. Russian Estonian girl will put out more easily than ethnic Estonians that might have grown up in the country. But this is not always true. Girls in Tallinn that are in Old Town and are either traveling, working at the hotels and bars or working in a tourism related field are going to be more DTF oriented than normal Estonian girls.

Definitely disagree that Russian Estonian will be easier. First of, it's 80% non-Russian, pretty much all of which who speak English. The Russians will have language barriers and tend to be colder.

Post: #54

I tend to agree with DN about Russian girls in Tallinn being a bit more suspicious at the beginning and with a lower level of English. Overall I don't see a huge difference with Estonians once you are in with the conversation.
This weekend I had the impression that the nightlife was more Russian oriented, maybe because of students not going out due to exams.

Post: #55

Tallinn has a huge population of Estonian Russians. Estonians do not get married that much. Russians still will have a higher percentage of marriages than Estonian-Estonians. But there are a lot of single mothers in Estonia. Their culture does not put a lot of emphasis on being married so much, with the younger generation. Estonia, overall is still vuagely a bit more traditional. The women want relationships. Will be independant, but still want to get pregnant and cook for their men. But not expect to get married. Just be in a relationship. Then after awhile, they break up. So, a lot of unmarried mothers.

The culture in Tallinn is different than the rest of the country, because of tourism. And hipster style nightlife is taking over Tallinn. Tallinn is not like it was a few years ago. It was a little more gritty, when you walked outside of Old Town. Old women sold shoes on the sidewalk. Old Russian men would sit around and play accordians and be drunk. There were a lot of shitty abandonded buildings, factories and ghetto houses from 100 years ago. And it was easier to fuck Estonian women. Because they wanted to leave.

But now, their income levels have raised just barely enough, that the women will want to stay. Travel a bit when they are younger. The men still go to other countries and work. But the younger people are buying old houses in their little towns and fixing them up. The women stay home and pop out babies and the men go work on ships or get hired in Finland and Germany to be truck drivers.

The ability to get pussy in Tallinn is still there. Tallinn is like a US college town, but in a midevil gothic themed aquarium. The travel industry attracts a certain kind of people. And the younger people in Tallinn Old Town are more hipsterish.

They will give up the pussy. They want to get drunk and give up the pussy. But you have to do your part and be the kind of person that has the happy go lucky, good vibes, confident carefree attitude to make the girls in Tallinn want to fuck. These are like girls wanting to party anywhere else. You have to do yourpart and the women will do theirs.

So, here is the formula for your success: location that you will stay at, that is literally a minutes walk from where you are meeting the pussy. You have to have a care free, confident, happy go lucky attitude. You want to have fun and trigger that in the woman's squirrel brain. The girls are either expats, students, travelers or people that moved from some hillbilly town in the backwoods of Estonia, looking for a job. These girls will fuck.

Now here is some other side information, if anyone has tome to invest in staying and experimenting in. Estonia has a few other "bigger" towns that no one has gone to really do any field research in: Narvaa, Viljandi, Tartu and Parnu.

Tartu is the tiny college town. I have been there, so was Roosh. We both went in off times of the year. We did not go togetger. But being a student mecca, with a midevil old town setting. The potential is there to fuck open minded younger Estonian students. There are also a lot of foreign girls too.

Viljandi is somewhere I have heard of and met locals from. It is kind of set in a hilly location. The Old Town has been fixed up too. It is kind off the map. So Estonians kind of go there for mini vacations. There is no presense of any one going there and trying to do pick up.

Parnu is the summer capital for Estonians to go to. It is on the beach. Last year was a little colder, and I was only there two nights and stayed with my friends and their two children in a hostel. So, that was me just trying to observe. There is potential in Parnu. That is the town that people go to, to have their summer beach holidays. So, common deductive reasoning says that is the place to go to in the very first week or two in July. Find a place near the beach. Walk around and meet pussy. It is the beach tourist destination. They also had all of the 18-20 year old girls wearing bootie shorts, selling ice cream. And made me want to bend them over the ice cream chest and pump my load in them. :')

Then there is Narva. I have not been to Narva, yet. Narva is on the Russian border. I heard it is being cleaned up now. But Narva was still pretty shitty, up until a year or so ago. The 90% Russian population will be different than Tallinn or other parts of Estonia. And I know it is much cheaper....in regards to prices, especially accomidation. But it still is supposedly kind of crappy. So, if you have knowledge and experience gaming in Russia or Russian speaking Ukraine, that is the game plan you should potentially use if you go to Narva.

So, this is just a bit more info on Estonia, other than just going to Tallinn. Have the attitude, location and alcohol and energy drinks back at your place for the afterparty. We do not advocate getting women drunk. But strong alcohol in a party environment and you having more back at your place for after parties highly increases the odds of you fornicating whith the foreign ladies.

Post: #56

(05-22-2018 07:06 PM)godzilla Wrote:  I've also been to Helsinki. Tallinn is definitely a step up and there are already lots of dtf finish girls in Tallinn

reassuring since I thought Helsinki was pretty good on quality. Were you rolling solo in Tallinn?

Post: #57

Questions for whoever may know:

Is club venus actually busy on the off days?

Any particular cafes that you guys would recommend for daytime?

And a decent old town gym?

Post: #58

Only gym I have been to is Reval. They have almost everything you need there. But you might be able to find cheaper places.

There are so many cafes and bars there....you can just walk down the streets and pick one.

Post: #59

After 1 week in Tallinn, here are my observations:

- English: Girls either speak great English or none whatsoever, All estonian girls speak English and the only ones that don't are russians. You will meet non-English speakers 1 out of 10 opens. Also from 3-8pm old town and the mall is jailbait central, every other girl you open is 15-17.

- Logistics: the place is small. Anywhere in old town is about a 5 minute walk to the clubs and 10 minute walk to the main mall Viru Keskus.

- Girls: they are very nice, and every single one will stop on a street approach, there are no harsh blowouts. But they are also busy and flakey, maybe because it's exam season right now, even solid interactions end up going radio silent. A lot of them have boyfriends, some will tell you right away, or even just say straight up they don't like you even though they are single, but maybe 20% of the time they like the attention and will stand there for a good 10 minutes before dropping the B-Bomb, or sometimes they give the number and do it over text when you try to set the date.

- Game: day game pulls can be done if you have assertive nice guy vibe, but doesn't happen very often, most times just have to settle for number. Night game is harder to crack solo, the cockblocks come swift and without mercy. You can do night street approaches like roosh wrote in his book, and they will always stop, but getting a venue change is not quite as easy.

Overall it's hard to get any sort of consistent pipeline, I banged 2 in 1 week so far. One club pull from Hollywood, one street pull from near the mall. Both felt like flukes though because I got lucky in one aspect or another.

Post: #60

The jailbait thighs and asses are making me question my morals

Post: #61

(05-29-2018 01:40 PM)Beirut Wrote:  The jailbait thighs and asses are making me question my morals

They are nice. There is something about the younger Estonian girls. If I would have known about this country when I was younger...I would have most definitely been there in say 2001.

If you are still around, I will be there in about 7 days. The late 20s-early 30 year olds are even kinda nice at the gym.

Post: #62

I leave Tuesday June 5th. Have to for work shit.
First day/night in Tallin ended with nothing notable.

Hit up a restaurant, hit it off with waitress who said she might be at a bar later. She wasn't. My fault for not pushing for a number but call me naive I still think she's into me

Went to old labor bar after. Was empty.

Went to Venus club there were two large mixed groups which provided the entirety of the female population. They were too young an too ugly and too stupid. Btw the girls are bad dancers.

On way home stopped by shamrock pub cause heard music. There was a bunch of girls but they're friends with the girl singer and are in bitch mode to group outsiders so I don't give it a try.

I got 2 willing tinder girls for tomorrow and I still believe in the waitress chick who I kinda really like.

In the day it was quiet and frankly got boring very quickly but I did see some young cuties. Two russiangirls opened me.for a lighter but they were underage so I went into grandpa mode. Kinda regret it after the fact.
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So far mixed feelings about the place. It's boring me but I like something about the girls here. Only been half a day though so should stfu

Post: #63

Day 2:

Met one tinder chick. Wasn't feeling her at all. She came over straight to my place but wasn't into her. She initiated kissing.

Met another tinder chick. Much better this time. Russian, great body. We went to digital nomads suggested date place. She initiated the kiss as well. The bang will happen next time.

Saw some stunners on the street including one absolute 10 but I froze. Made the decision to finally join you daygame creeps after that.

At night went to waitress place she wasn't there. Bars were total shit also. Every single one was empty.

Went to club Hollywood after. At 12:30 was still empty and a total shitshow. Young girls in flats and leg braces jumping around, idiots in shorts everywhere, etc...

It did end up getting better as the night got along. Was getting a lot of iois but lack of dancing was killing me. The best move ended up being the smoke room where I spent most of the night. Easy to meet loads of girls. I saw a lot of girls who were with foreigners downstairs end up with local guys upstairs and cucking the foreigners so don't take ur dates there gentlemen.

I meet 3 cute local girls at the end of the night. I'm into one in particular but the cockblocks come from all directions. All kinds of groups of guys come and join us and being solo with 3 I don't find a way to get rid of them.

We end up going to a bar which was busy in morning with like 6 guys in tow. Then one guy drags us to a food place which he said was a bar.

Anyway more guys come there and it's relentless. I'm losing the attention of the hottest one to a local guy. But they all end up blowing their load and antagonizing the girls by proposing too directly. At the end I get a burly Russian guy come and he's going after me very aggressively with racist shit assuming im Muslim or whatever else.

I troll him back pretty hard and now the hot one is laughing her ass off and I'm back at center of attention. I manage to get two back to my place but at that point it's like 9 am and we're all in zombie mode so nothing happens.

Girls are too nice here. They will give attention to everyone thinking it's rude not to. I thought it was bullshit but it was actually true. Even the most deformed guy would get a response and a conversation. I don't know what's the best way to handle that while solo.

Post: #64

@Beirut

Do not fucking give up. If it is not you, it will be some one else. Push harder.

This is like anything in life. The people that are relentless and do not give up are the ones that get what they want in the long run.

Post: #65

Blackfriar I feel like you're on some yearlong LSD trip but you're my new favorite poster. Thanks for the messages

Day 3:

I grew one ball and did a daygame approach on a 9. German. She was waiting for a date with a guy. Incredibly sexy woman. I know the guy is coming and she's somewhat receptive so I give her my number. The guy gets there and he's like a 2 m tall Brad Pitt lookalike so yeah that's not happening.

I approach another dressed up 9. She's receptive but then freezes at the age Gap. Even though I lied and gave a 5 year younger one. She was 18.

There was a Finnish girl I talked to before but she was leaving, I had told her to stay at my place and not go and she messages me that she'll come back this weekend and stay at my place.

I talk to the girl who came back to my place the night before all day but she's too tired to go out.

At night met up with sniffer and chinoqio. Two nice young dudes who are fearless approach machines.

The bars are still shit on Thursday. Actually I think they're just shit all the time.

We hit up club Hollywood and there's decent talent and it's better than before but I felt a general negative vibe. Local girls were very closed off, there was more local guys and the girls were a bit standoffish towards foreigners in front of the guys. I saw no real opportunities. I definitely feel as u get older u get a better radar for these things and less patience for it.

I'm not too sure about the nightlife here. Between the suckiness of the bars, the cockblock hordes of dudes, etc...

Post: #66

Good stuff.

With the 9, another thing to consider if you realise it is not going anywhere is to get info. Like where did she met her date... So in future, you know where all these hot girls hang out, like which club(s) they go to... etc How did the guy approach her... valuable intel

Post: #67

(06-01-2018 12:02 AM)Beirut Wrote:  Blackfriar I feel like you're on some yearlong LSD trip but you're my new favorite poster. Thanks for the messages

Day 3:

I grew one ball and did a daygame approach on a 9. German. She was waiting for a date with a guy. Incredibly sexy woman. I know the guy is coming and she's somewhat receptive so I give her my number. The guy gets there and he's like a 2 m tall Brad Pitt lookalike so yeah that's not happening.

I approach another dressed up 9. She's receptive but then freezes at the age Gap. Even though I lied and gave a 5 year younger one. She was 18.

There was a Finnish girl I talked to before but she was leaving, I had told her to stay at my place and not go and she messages me that she'll come back this weekend and stay at my place.

I talk to the girl who came back to my place the night before all day but she's too tired to go out.

At night met up with sniffer and chinoqio. Two nice young dudes who are fearless approach machines.

The bars are still shit on Thursday. Actually I think they're just shit all the time.

We hit up club Hollywood and there's decent talent and it's better than before but I felt a general negative vibe. Local girls were very closed off, there was more local guys and the girls were a bit standoffish towards foreigners in front of the guys. I saw no real opportunities. I definitely feel as u get older u get a better radar for these things and less patience for it.

I'm not too sure about the nightlife here. Between the suckiness of the bars, the cockblock hordes of dudes, etc...

I'll add on to the cockblock situation, they come hard and fast and out of nowhere. After parting ways with Beruit I saw 2 young cuties right in front of my door so how could I not approach. After vibing a bit it turns out they are sisters, so my hope of pulling a 3some was dashed, but one of them seem to be into me so I tried to sneak in a number close while her sister was walking ahead to get cigarettes. My hope was to get the number and maybe try to get her to come over later without it being noticed by her sister.

As I was whipping out my phone, some random Estonian guy walked by and said something in Estonian to the girl. All I recognized was the word "Hollywood" and my gut tells me it's not good. And the girl looked at me weird and left.

Apparently he was telling her that I was hitting on everything that moves at Hollywood. The fucked up thing is that while normally I would approach all the sets, due to the lack of prospects of the night, I spend most of the time talking to just 2 girls.

I think I may have dance approached one of the white knight's friends who had a boyfriend, so as soon as I pulled her close he dragged her away. It was such an insignificant part of the night that it didn't even register on my brain. It wasn't until later when I accosted the white knight for blatant cockblocking that I vaguely remembered what happened.

Post: #68

Sometime you get cockblocked, other times you try to cockblock and you are rejected;)
Tallinn is very small especially if you go out every night, the places are usual, hence there are high chances to get recognized. I can imagine that American style spam approaches don't work well there, the place starts to be burnt for foreigners and you need a solid game to be successful in Tallinn.

Post: #69

Black-heads get always looked suspicious and cockblocked.

I mean in countries like Estonia or Sweden a darker guy (even Darker white) will be always looked like A potential target for cockblock, because they are often assumed to be there just to score a King Sized barbie, which 99% of cases is true.

Post: #70

Tallinn girls in clubs are not especially easy in my opinion, but when I compare it to other places in Europe, it seems much better. Kiev clubs are hard to get ONS especially when you don't speak Russian, and it's invaded by turks. France is a sausage fest in clubs, invaded by aggressive arabs with 3:1 ratios. Never been to places like Krakow, Prague and Budapest) but I've heard it's invaded by foreigner guys.

So Tallinn girls are not easy but at least we get decent ratios in our favor. Maybe 40% girls in Hollywood. Passive cockblocking is really annoying here though. I didn't experience the guy cockblocking except from once (I think they cockblock exotic guys a lot more - not surprisingly given the attention the girls give them). But the girls always kind of have a "I'm sticking with my friend" mentality when we group-approach, there's most of the time one of the girl who will be cold and break the possibility of sealing the deal. My intuition is that to succeed here you must be the guy who is switching between sets of girls to make them jealous, has high-energy and gets validated by the locals.

Post: #71

Usually in most cities there's the shit big student club where hordes of guys cockblock each other and then you have the other better options but midweek at least here there aren't any.

Western guys may be used to this vibe but for me it's a turn off. I'm too old for it and actually I think I've never been young enough for it as in Lebanon that would never happen in a comical way like that. A bouncer would be escorting you by the ear outside.

I don't want to be wrestling idiots in jorts who follow you to other venues. I know experts can successfully nnavigate those scenes but why would I want to. I've never cockblocked anyone (unless I was unsuccessfully trying to wing for them). It's a teenager high school vibe and it's kinda retarded.

Post: #72

I have been there a bunch of times and never saw all of this cock blocking. I do not understand it.

The only weird time I saw some one try to shoe horn in on me was I was shooting the bow and arrows at a targert one time with the girl that dressss in midevil clothes and runs that little stand. She kept letting me shoot for free and we were just talking and out of the blue, some weird fucker rode up on a bike and started talking in english to her and acting weird.

When I say he was acting creepy, I really mean he was kinda odd. She hid behind me and my friend. And this chick had a bow and arrow in her hand.

I do not know. Maybe it is my personality. If I am not burnt out from jetlag or get drunk and start being retarded from drinking 4 pitchers of beer. I guess I give off the boy next door vibe.

I have fucked up a lot there and other places....for certain internal, personal reasons. But I know that from my own expieriences and watching and being with other people. You litterally just bumped into people, talked to people, shoot the bullshit with people there and after awhile just say hey, want to go somewhere else? Or say I have got booze at my place and there was not much resistance.

So, if guys that are going out and really trying are getting lack of interest. I apologize very much. Because that is unfourtunate. I do not know if the end of May is just a bad time this year? Man, that sucks.

I can understand if you self sabotaged things like I did last year or two. But normally, when the weather is warm there and you just talk to people, shit happens.

I have a pair of brass knuckles. I almost feel like sending them to Beirut and letting him pop some one in the head with them, when they cock block.

Post: #73

Didn't get cockblocked Yesterday as didn't approach much. Could judge the situation was shit beforehand. But chinoqio and sniffer were going in and actually getting good responses from their target girls but the whole town was conspiring against them lol.

The hottest girl in the club was making out with a guy in white shorts and a fucking Blazer.

So yeah not a fan of the midweek nightlife vibe. It's very village-y.

I think sniffer has a point about cockblocks targeting exotic looking guys more. A Russian dude the day before sat with me and the girls and started saying I'm Taliban for half an hour lol. He actually helped me in that he refocused attention on me while I had a group of local guys follow us, a group of British guys, and random lone dudes. And only one girl was even hot.

And yesterday chinoqio was targeted as well.

Post: #74

What's it like for the more mature man there? any 35-40 year olds hooking up with 21 year olds?

Post: #75

Henny don't have much sample size but first two girls who went back to my place were 21 and didn't seem to have a problem althiugh didn't bang yet

Yesterday's daygame 18 year old shut down when I told her I'm 29 (I'm mid 30s) that's pretty much my sample size as other girls are mid 20s that I talked to