Post: #1

I have a friend who is beyond pussy whipped. I've known him for most of my life and he has always had a tendency to get involved with women who fuck him over in one way or another.

When it comes to him introducing whom ever the latest woman is to his friends, said women tend to throw off obvious red flags to which we all notice almost instantly. You bring up any of these red flags to him he'll respond by saying things like "oh you just have to get to know them" or "you don't know them like I do! I understand them!" or even "something must have happened to make them do that! I'll be there for them".

He is by the book blue pilled; a pure omega male. He'll make excuses for them when he is cheated on or screwed over, he'll do shit like "open up" to them and legit cry in their laps thinking they want to hear his shit. Also refers to himself a "male feminist". He doesn't even have the slightest clue at what kind of behavior makes a woman's stomach turn, let alone turn them on.

From an outside perspective you can say he has no problem getting girls, after all he isn't a bad looking guy. He's also not half bad at socializing. However despite this, the particular women that he seems to gravitate towards are not only the type that you'd likely not want to date (if you have half a brain at least); they are the type of girls you'd not want to even hook up with if you have any sense of survival instinct left in your body.

Every single time he finds a new woman she is either a legit SJW or some kind of insane whore. Each and every time he finds one of these women he'll tell us that "she's the one" or "I haven't felt this way since my old high school gf guys! She's special!" Same bullshit every time.

A few of these women have openly admitted that they were using him for various reasons (depending on the girl) and taunted his very existence to some of his other friends and I (if he happens to be away for a second in whatever social situation (bar, party, etc.)).

Why would they admit that they're manipulating him and out right make fun of him for being such a pussy? Well, they know he ain't going to do shit about it even if we tell him. When we tell him to ditch who ever the latest woman is explaining she's trouble, he'll freak out at who ever tells him saying "you can't tell me how to live my life" "I'll be fine!" and "no you must have misunderstood something, she's not like that!"



I've been friends with him since we were kids. Most of the other people in his social circle he has known since at least high school. We're all between 22-24 now. He's been at this shit since we were 18 and has not learned a thing. Even if many people's game sucks at this age, he should at the very least be able to identify a decent woman from an obvious red flag waving magnet of trouble. If we didn't know him for so long, I doubt any of us would even have bothered trying to help someone as far gone as he is.



For example, the most recent woman he decided to cling to is a girl we graduated high school with. However, this isn't the girl next door type of situation. Back in high school she was a notorious slut who would openly engage in the most perverse shit imaginable with whoever was up to do such things with her (and tell everybody about it thinking people gave a shit). Our dumb friend also dated this woman in high school and quickly broke up after finding out she cheated on him (though he wouldn't mind that as much now). More recently though, this particular girl is a former drug addict who was knocked up by a guy 30 years older than her the second she turned 20. At the moment she is a single unemployed mother who had to distance herself from her child's father, due to the fact that he had threatened her and apparently acted upon said threats in various ways on multiple occasions. Not only that, this man is aware of our dumb friend existing around the mother of his child and has already threatened violence against him.

Rather than our dumb friend removing himself from the situation (or perhaps calling the authorities?) as practically everyone he knows told him to do, he instead believes that this potentially dangerous man won't do anything. That's right, the insane roasty is THAT good to him apparently. If it ever came to a situation in which he had to defend himself from this man, he is by no means a good fighter (or runner), so it's unlikely he'd be able to. Why would he cling to a girl in such a broken situation? Is it for the sex, love, or what have you? He'll have a different reason every time he speaks to us. I wouldn't be surprised if she pokes a hole in one of his condoms one day or is fucking other guys besides him. It is entirely in her character to do so.


This girl isn't even the worst girl he has involved himself with, if that comes to any surprise. Only the most recent. I personally called him out on his bullshit once again and he gave the expected responses. After speaking to some of his other friends, we're in agreement that it's probably better to distance ourselves from him altogether, due to the fact that he invites more trouble than mosquitoes are invited to the scent of fresh blood. And at the end of the day, we're all trying to live our lives as normal as life can get in a world twisted by the current phase of modernity. He's more trouble than he's worth in other words. He neglected our friendship and any advice we have given him in the past.

My question to you guys is did we do the right thing by telling him to finally fuck off? We've known him for most of our lives and had tried helping him on numerous occasions over the past few years since he started making one bad decision after another (both regarding women and regarding life situations). He never listens and would rather live in his own head. Have any of you know a person like him in your lives? What did you do?

Post: #2

I think this is less about being whipped and more about being psychologically damaged in a way that only other psychologically damaged girls to the same degree are into him.

Post: #3

Had a buddy in college who was a nice guy, but pure beta. He was a white guy, but was dating a classic Asian controlling bitch. I distinctly remember the gang ( some of which were women) asking him to go hang out after class with us from time to time. Invariably he'd be all stoked at first, but then have to call her to get permission. He'd come back all disappointed. "Sorry guys, Lily needs me to come home tonight at the regular time." We would all look at each other with that sad and empathetic face you make when you see a doomed mouse with its legs crushed in a mousetrap futilely trying to escape.

Fast forward a few years, and it turns out she starting cheating on him with someone from work and decided to break up with him. My buddy had signed a lease together with her, and he couldn't afford to move out. So he started sleeping on the couch, while her and her new boyfriend fucked in the bedroom. Yea, you read that right.

Oh well fuck her, she never liked me anyway. I was 260lbs back then ( vitamin T) and plopped down on their futon with my full weight. "crunch" lol... Also, I once told her that McDonald's did more for the poor by feeding people and providing jobs than Mother Teresa ever did. She looked at me like I just committed a Murder. There was formally no such thing as SJWs back in the 90s, but she was a definite early prototype model.

Post: #4

double post - mods plz delete

Post: #5

(05-25-2018 07:51 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  I think this is less about being whipped and more about being psychologically damaged in a way that only other psychologically damaged girls to the same degree are into him.

Maybe partially. The women are obviously fucked up, but he has to take some accountability in those situations. He doesn't have to settle for them in other words.

Most of us have learned some lesson or another from some sort of fucked up girl. That is a major reason a lot of us get into game to begin with. To see the realities of women, how our falling societies effected them, and subsequently ourselves as men. Instead, he not only defends their fucked up actions, but encourages them. It's one thing to not be aware of how fucked up the dating market is, or the fact that our societies are falling, but entirely another thing to keep intentionally fucking yourself over year after year, month after month. Even if we point out obvious red flags (which he should be able to pick up himself), he just can't comprehend the fact that the women who he gravitates towards are the last types of women you'd want to get involved with.

Maybe I'm being harsh, but his other friends came to the same conclusions and they are just regular guys. Not manosphere or alternative media internet types like us. If they can see it too, I'm more than certain it goes a little deeper than just the women's manipulation alone.

(05-25-2018 08:09 PM)GreenManaleshi Wrote:  Had a buddy in college who was a nice guy, but pure beta. He was a white guy, but was dating a classic Asian controlling bitch. I distinctly remember the gang ( some of which were women) asking him to go hang out after class with us from time to time. Invariably he'd be all stoked at first, but then have to call her to get permission. He'd come back all disappointed. "Sorry guys, Lily needs me to come home tonight at the regular time." We would all look at each other with that sad and empathetic face you make when you see a doomed mouse with its legs crushed in a mousetrap futilely trying to escape.

Fast forward a few years, and it turns out she starting cheating on him with someone from work and decided to break up with him. My buddy had signed a lease together with her, and he couldn't afford to move out. So he started sleeping on the couch, while her and her new boyfriend fucked in the bedroom. Yea, you read that right.

Oh well fuck her, she never liked me anyway. I was 260lbs back then ( vitamin T) and plopped down on their futon with my full weight. "crunch" lol... Also, I once told her that McDonald's did more for the poor by feeding people and providing jobs than Mother Teresa ever did. She looked at me like I just committed a Murder. There was formally no such thing as SJWs back in the 90s, but she was a definite early prototype model.

Damn, that sounds like hell. I hope he didn't have to stay in that house for too long afterwards. Did he ever stop his beta habits with the next girl(s)?

Post: #6

(05-25-2018 08:21 PM)Coffee Wrote:  

(05-25-2018 07:51 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  I think this is less about being whipped and more about being psychologically damaged in a way that only other psychologically damaged girls to the same degree are into him.

Maybe partially. The women are obviously fucked up, but he has to take some accountability in those situations. He doesn't have to settle for them in other words.

He is definitely either subconsciously rejecting or being rejected by psychologically well adjusted girls. That manifests in what is happening to him.

Post: #7

(05-25-2018 08:21 PM)Coffee Wrote:  Damn, that sounds like hell. I hope he didn't have to stay in that house for too long afterwards. Did he ever stop his beta habits with the next girl(s)?

Sadly, no. He's too far gone. He's also pretty liberal and JSW these days as well. Haven't seen him in many years. Despite it all, he's a nice guy though. I get reports back from friends that he is in one beta relationship after the next, under the delusion that he's doing the right thing, being all progressive and what not. All his Gf's are alphas I've noticed. I guess someone in the relationship has to be

Post: #8

(05-25-2018 07:23 PM)Coffee Wrote:  My question to you guys is did we do the right thing by telling him to finally fuck off? We've known him for most of our lives and had tried helping him on numerous occasions over the past few years since he started making one bad decision after another (both regarding women and regarding life situations). He never listens and would rather live in his own head. Have any of you know a person like him in your lives? What did you do?

Yes. You are the average of the 5 people you hangout with the most. I recently dropped a friend for similar reasons. He wasn't quite as pussy whipped as your friend AFAIK, but it was still pretty bad - serial monogamist type who only seemed to date fat and ugly women who sucked up all of his time and resources. Eventually, he completely stopped making time to hang out with us so that he could spend all of his time with some bitch. Eventually I got fed up with it and stopped contacting him. Your friend sounds like a fucking moron and there's no reason to let him drag you down with his shitty decisions.

Post: #9

Why do you care? Not really your problem...

If anything, observe, learn and re-enforce your own beliefs.

Post: #10

Take him to the gym and work out. Teach him the values of self-discipline and self-respect. When you learn to love yourself, you seek out and demand higher quality friendships and relationships. It starts internally, but you can help lead by example. Engage in more manly behaviors with him and start holding him accountable. Less talk, more action.

Post: #11

Your friend himself has to want to change/improve. It's near to impossible to make someone want to change. You've done your best to help him in a reasonable manner. But sadly, most people don't change because they see the light, only when they feel the heat. Who knows what your friend's wake up event will be... a devistating divorce. Even then some men don't learn.

He could have insecurity issues, which could be explored with a good therapist.

I had friends like this, and I think everyone here probably knows someone like this in some shape or form. It's a common problem. And the solution isn't that simple. The only advice I could offer is to find out if there is something that he is good at which has a competitive element and scalability and then encourage him to go at it full on.

Post: #12

Post: #13

He's gone.You should end your friendship. Nothing you can say can change that if he's lucky life will teach him

Post: #14

(05-26-2018 05:08 PM)VisionsofGandhi Wrote:  He's gone.You should end your friendship. Nothing you can say can change that if he's lucky life will teach him

Haha bit harsh ending friendship over this.

Post: #15

(05-26-2018 01:32 AM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  Why do you care? Not really your problem...

If anything, observe, learn and re-enforce your own beliefs.

I cared because I don't like to see my friends end up fucking up their lives. But, if anything it did just re-enforce what I already knew. It also taught me a lot.

(05-26-2018 01:51 AM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  Take him to the gym and work out. Teach him the values of self-discipline and self-respect. When you learn to love yourself, you seek out and demand higher quality friendships and relationships. It starts internally, but you can help lead by example. Engage in more manly behaviors with him and start holding him accountable. Less talk, more action.

Tried that for a while. He's a pussy and hated the gym and working out. Tried getting him into martial arts too at different times. He still acted like a pussy because he was afraid of getting hit. Said shit like "I'm a lover not a fighter", yet would love to talk big despite this.

Tried getting him involved in other things, like getting him around more positive male influence (some of my friends), less numales and burnouts, more gym bros and martial artists. I've been holding him accountable for his action for years, and have called him out on his shit constantly. Only results that would ever come from it is that he would blame everyone else for his problems besides himself. Further action won't work at this point. Which is why I don't feel bad about cutting him out.

(05-26-2018 02:05 AM)Alpha_Romeo Wrote:  Your friend himself has to want to change/improve. It's near to impossible to make someone want to change. You've done your best to help him in a reasonable manner. But sadly, most people don't change because they see the light, only when they feel the heat. Who knows what your friend's wake up event will be... a devistating divorce. Even then some men don't learn.

He could have insecurity issues, which could be explored with a good therapist.

I had friends like this, and I think everyone here probably knows someone like this in some shape or form. It's a common problem. And the solution isn't that simple. The only advice I could offer is to find out if there is something that he is good at which has a competitive element and scalability and then encourage him to go at it full on.

I realized that unfortunately. Don't think he's ever going to change. Insecure or not, he doesn't take advice from anybody. Not me his former best friend, nor his father, nor his older brother (not that his brother is much better than him). He doesn't want to stop putting the pussy on the pedestal. That's 50% of whats holding him back. The other 50% is his lack of accountability. When I said he worships women, I am not over stating anything. He literally believes women are perfect, could do no wrong, and would never have a bad intention.

But oh well, if he ever learns, he'll probably learn when its too late.

(05-26-2018 11:32 PM)tobehero Wrote:  

(05-26-2018 05:08 PM)VisionsofGandhi Wrote:  He's gone.You should end your friendship. Nothing you can say can change that if he's lucky life will teach him

Haha bit harsh ending friendship over this.

Nope. It's been going on since we were around 17 or 18. We're 22 now. I don't see it changing anytime soon. I've done nothing but help him through his bullshit over the past few years (and even back in hs before it was as bad). Any problem he has had was entirely his own fault, and I still helped him through it because I assumed that's what a good friend was supposed to do.

I'll give you some examples to expand the picture on this situation a bit. When we were 18 he broke up with his hs sweetheart (or whatever you want to call it). He wanted to "kill himself" over her and cried practically every day for weeks on end. hung out with him every day back then, he wasn't getting any better so I punched him in the stomach (don't advise others in similar situation to do that) as he was bitching about her not answering him after he tried contacting her after nearly a month of her hooking up with some chad. That helped him moved on to other girls. However you can imagine most of these other girls were trouble. Because he's attracted to trouble. SJWs and the like as I explained in the OP.

Soon after this he dropped out of college and started bumming around for nearly a year. During the course of this I helped get him a job at a place I used to work at. And guess what? He was fired for stealing money from the said job about 5 months in.

The summer after this, I got him another job at a different place I was working at. During the course of this he decided to go back to college. But you guessed it, he dropped out a second time. This time however he went back to work at the job I got him. He was threaten to be fired at different times for casually showing up late, being rude to customers, etc. They're short of employees, which is the only reason he hasn't been fired again.

The guy would have the nerve to complain to me calling me lazy while he was "working" so hard at this part time job three days a week, and I was taking 18 credits worth of credits a semester. Minus during the summers, I had practically no free time to do shit during the past few years, also minus the occasional weekend once or twice every month or two.

I graduated early, and it's been painstakingly obvious that I got a useless degree (that's a bit off topic though). He'd use the fact that I not only didn't drop out like him, but also graduated early as a reasoning for him not taking my advice. Because apparently bumming around getting high and drunk 6 days a week with other bums gives you more social experience and thus more leverage in a discussion about what is a good/bad direction in life, than what I experienced living at college for three years around a bunch of different kinds of people, and taking a shit load of classes while also attempting to expand into different social circles as a means of self-improvement (went from a shy socially awkward teenager to a observant well-rounded adult during my time in college, if it was worth anything).

How about the fact that I went and picked him up from shady places he went to party at at like 3am at various times, despite being so busy. One of which times he was left outside throwing up drunk and high out of his mind in the pouring rain by his "friends" like the pathetic waste of space that he is. Told him to ditch them and try getting his shit together, but to him I'm practically anti-social in his mind and thus have no real opinion. Another time he was going to get the shit beat out of him and I went over and talked the situation down.


In hindsight I don't know what I was thinking helping him so much. I feel like an idiot for doing so. Maybe it was the fact that we had known each other since we were practically babies? Either way, what's done is done and I'm not looking back. Haven't dealt with him in about two weeks, and I hear he's been arrested for a DUI. At this point I don't need such negative influence around me, life friend or not. He's only proven himself to be trouble. I have other friends with their lives much more together than he ever has had. He may have been friends with me longer than most people, but he wasn't a friend of quality. He doesn't view me more than something to be used to his convenience, otherwise he'd have taken my advice seriously.


I advise you to evaluate the people you hang around. If I learned one thing from this experience it's that it doesn't matter how long you've known a person, if they're a shit person they're a shit person. If they were a good friend in the past, look at the present instead and see who they are now, not who they were.
As another user commented in the thread, you are the sum of the 5 people you hang around the most. Don't let people like him hold you back. Man or woman, some people just like to leech the energy off of you. It's better to live without said leeches. I wish I would have learned this earlier in life, it would have saved me a lot of trouble. I'm glad I learned the negative aspects of women when I was younger, but I wish someone would have warned me about shit friends too.

Post: #16

(05-25-2018 07:23 PM)Coffee Wrote:  My question to you guys is did we do the right thing by telling him to finally fuck off? We've known him for most of our lives and had tried helping him on numerous occasions over the past few years since he started making one bad decision after another (both regarding women and regarding life situations). He never listens and would rather live in his own head. Have any of you know a person like him in your lives? What did you do?

Coffee... some guys are just pussies. Maybe he was raised by a single mom... or a dad who was a pussy... or maybe he just doesn't have a normal amount of male testosterone. Whatever the reason, he likes how he is and doesn't want to change.

You had 2 choices. Accept him as he is, or ditch him. I have learned to accept people as they are and there is a certain power in that... however it also requires emotional distance. It's likely for the best that you walk away from him. You typed this huge long post... because you care.

Post: #17

People don't change.... or they change slowly. First they have to want to change and then it is usually a slow process.

There are probably exceptions to the rule but I think Coffee made the correct decision after reading his last post about all the problems and trouble this guy was causing.

Post: #18

I read the title, but not the post...because the details here are in all likelihood, superfluous.

The best thing you can do for anyone in this situation is nothing. Let them crash and burn and feel the utter humiliation that he is hell-bent on running into.

For fuck's sake don't try and "redpill" him.

Post: #19

Find a new friend, someone like that would stab you in the back for nothing.

Post: #20

I think we found Eric Ripert's RVF account.

(Too soon? Sorry.)

Post: #21

Get him out of the US, on a fun roadtrip, or backpacking expedition. Once a guy sees the options out of the US, and how optimal game works in SEA, SA, EE, he's gonna red-pill himself.

Post: #22

I had a friend who wasn't quite as bad as the OP's buddy, but I did witness a serious decline and tried in vain to guide him out of it. The downfall started when we weren't in the same geographic area anymore and he no longer had an intensely masculine work environment (we were former Army buddies - his term ended before mine did).

For a while I thought he was doing well. He got a decent job at a big insurance company in NYC doing some kind of auditing, and saved the company over a million dollars in a year. But that job ended after barely a couple of years. I suspect that job went the way it did because his immediate supervisor with a degree from Big State U was terrified of a Harvard grad showing him up and making the big bosses wonder who's a better manager. Instead of looking for another similar job in NYC, he chose moving closer to his parents home in northern NJ, renting a room in suburbia and basically taking shelter in the family business in some sinecure they created. These were the first warning signs and it only got worse.

With pretty much zero social life, he got into aping liberal causes like vegetarianism and animal rights in a desperate attempt for attention. Next thing you know he's seeing a female therapist. This was obviously a VERY bad sign - all kinds of wrong information flowing his way with a veneer of credibility. When he started repeating talking points from her, I knew the infection set in - it was a matter of time before he'd succumb completely.

Not long afterwards I noticed he'd disappeared from Facebook - but what really happened is I got de-friended, probably at the suggestion of his (likely middle aged and self-identified feminist) therapist. This guy wasn't a pussy and had very exploitable social status: a B.A. from Harvard, fluent French speaker, military veteran and enough skills to land a decent job in NYC. Instead of getting up off of the mat and swinging back, he ran away from it all and cowered in what seemed safe, then faded off into middle age, overweight and lonely.

You know what? I don't miss him - the friend I knew and respected died a long time ago.

You did not have to tell your friend to fuck off, he effectively told you already, so don't sweat it. If he fixes himself, great, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. You can't be counselor for the world. Just move on and learn from the train wreck you witnessed.

Post: #23

There is no shame in being pussy whipped. It's actually a sign that the girl wants you for long-term in a stable life. She will have access to managing the house and in exchange give you awesome sex. What's the problem with that?

Post: #24

The "red pill" is something that a man must obtain through realization.

As one of the posters above said, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink."

This mindset is achieved through desire and experience. You can't force it on another.

My moment was when I walked in on a gf getting railed by another guy.

Could I have handled it better? Absolutely.

I think things happen for a reason.

If your friend wants to keep dating women that ruin his life, then so be it.

At this stage, do whatever is best for you. The friend seems like a lost cause.

He is mentally masturbating to a unicorn, a woman who doesn't exist. Sure, he may be a good looking dude with social skills, but it hasn't amassed to anything that benefits him.

Hopefully, he will have that confounding moment that makes him realize that his taste in women is off, or, he will marry the next woman who spreads her legs and he will end up miserable.

Either way, it's not on you. Not your job to save him.

This is a realization he needs to make on his own. Any outside influence will most likely cause him to stray to his original mindset and deter him from future happiness.