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Parzival · 04-26-2018 03:04 PM

(04-25-2018 02:20 PM)TravelerKai Wrote: Some good lessons on disarming someone and like John says, if you take away an arm or hand from an attacker, do not let him regain control of it, even if you disarm him from his weapon.

When you are to sure of the victory, the enemy often has a last strike:

You see this kind of often, well less the puke out of the eyes and a smashed skull. But that one think the enemy is down and turns his back to the threat. Or leave some weapons still close. Use of maximum force is very important. And be sure that the enemy is really out.
I often consider to extra break an arm or so - never done - but how much get back the fight a guy can do when you break his arm or some fingers when he got down.

Checkmat · 04-26-2018 10:59 PM

I was training with a competitive BJJ purple belt tonight and he mentioned it was his fourth training session. I asked him, “today?” and he said yes.

This shit is truly mind-blowing and at the same totally matter of fact: this guy tools me up worse than most black belts. He hardly breaks a sweat and does almost whatever he wants to me. I literally have never given him anything resembling a fight.

So when I heard that he’s training up to 4x/day, well...That makes sense. I train 4-6x/week and this dude does 3-6x as much as me. No wonder he is light years ahead.

Martial arts (or anything) isn’t rocket science. The more you practice, the better you are.

budoslavic · 04-28-2018 12:09 PM

(03-18-2018 11:31 PM)Suits Wrote:
(03-18-2018 11:20 PM)budoslavic Wrote: ...

Is there a version of this video with subtitles?

Speaking as someone who's deaf/HOH, I noticed not all videos have CC/subtitles and a list of languages. However, I can see Aberethy's video in English subtitle in my browser.

(04-17-2018 03:51 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:
(04-17-2018 11:55 AM)debeguiled Wrote: Comic Relief.
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TK pretty much brought up a lot of good points so I won't repeat what he said, but I'll add some comments in regarding to all of the videos I had watched.
* a personal trainer who teaches "women's self-defense" in a fitness center or gym does not mean that she is qualified. Run if you think he/she knows self-defense.
* a student must always check the personal trainer's credentials and background to see if he/she has any type of REAL martial arts training. Otherwise, lack of martial arts training is typically a red flag.
* a woman who learns impractical and unrealistic self-defense moves from a fitness instructor will only do more harm than good when in a real life dangerous situation.
* a female personal trainer who wears sexy "hump me" outfits...well, I'd tell her to turn around so I can bang her. Rolleyes

For each video, I went straight to the source's background and credentials for any type of martial arts training.

Video 1. Lena Marti's background and credentials:

Quote:Credentials:
Personal Trainer • Nutrition Coaching
CES Corrective Exercise Specialist
PES Performance Enhancement
CPT Certified Personal Trainer
WLS Weight Loss Specialist
NPC fitness Competitor
2x National Qualifier

Part Italian, part Puerto Rican, Lee was born, raised and hardened in Queens, New York Excelling in dance, young Ms. Marti faced a pivotal decision early in life: should she dive into a self-centric performing arts career or inspire others to actively realize their own potential? After embracing an opportunity to train women at her neighborhood gym, the ambitious Lee proved to have the makeup of a natural born leader.

No martial arts training...no surprise there. WB her though.

Sources
TeamLeeFit Instagram
Lena Marti Instagram
CoachLeeNYC Twitter

Funny enough, a martial artist wrote a post about that BS video.
Entrusting Your Life To BS “Women’s Self-Defense” Techniques Could Get You Killed

Code:

In the past few years, there’s been a surge of gyms offering “women’s self-defense” courses, and from a business standpoint, it’s a smart move. Every day, there are stories about women who are beaten, raped, and murdered by people who are much bigger and stronger than them, so it makes sense that we’d want to take whatever precautions we could to prevent ourselves from becoming a statistic. Hell, I started my own jiu-jitsu journey nearly five years ago after a close call, and I’ve since used it to defend myself in another sketchy situation. It’s a dangerous world out there, and we should absolutely be doing everything we can do stay safe in it.

The problem, though, is that many of these classes and tips have the potential to do more harm than good. I came across a video yesterday filmed for women’s lifestyle magazine Marie Claire and promoted by My San Antonio that featured fitness coach Lena Marti teaching five “self-defense” moves. The problem? Every last one of them was utter BS and actually put the victim in a more vulnerable position than they started in.

Thankfully, most of the comments on the video were by people who saw right through the nonsense. Even to the untrained eye, it’s pretty clear that Marti’s moves wouldn’t work against anyone who was over the age of twelve and, you know, awake. But that’s probably because, at least as far as her website suggests, Marti has no certification (and an unknown amount of any training) in any kind of martial art or self-defense system. She’s an accomplished fitness coach and model, but unless she’s leaving out some pretty significant information, she’s less qualified to teach self-defense than a brand new blue belt.

I’m not trying to rag on Marti here. This woman is a successful badass who can out-lift, out-run, and out-hot me any day. The issue is that she’s far from the only underqualified person who’s giving bad advice to women who don’t know any better and might fall for it. Lots of women don’t do their research before they watch these videos or take these classes, and the result is that they shell out a lot of cash for advice that could get them killed if they tried to use it.

Even taking a class from someone who’s qualified to teach it, such as a certified krav maga instructor, can have the opposite of its intended effect. While yes, learning something is better than nothing (and it actually helped this woman who used what she learned to defend against an attacker), it can also lure women into a false sense of security. Knowing what to do if a problem arises is good, but ignoring basic safety precautions because you think you can handle an assailant can land you in the hospital or the morgue.

Moreover, many of these one-off classes don’t emphasize the need for realistic and constant repetition. You get paired up with people who move at a snail’s pace and with 30 percent of the effort a real assailant would be giving you. You learn between five and ten moves, practice them until you kind of have the hang of them, then go on your merry way confident that you’ll be able to remember them if your safety is in jeopardy.

But those of us who have ever been in a real fight (or even competed in a local martial arts tournament) know that that’s not how it works. It’s always different when you’re practicing with people you know and trust. When you’re trying to truly defend yourself, your adrenaline dumps. Thinking isn’t something that happens unless you’ve conditioned yourself to remain calm and keep your head in these situations. You’re not going to have time to review the step-by-step instructions for a move you practiced for five minutes over a year ago — your body is going to rely on instinct, and unless you are conditioned to properly defend yourself as naturally as you’d hit the brakes if someone stepped in front of your car, that move is going to be useless at best and dangerous at worst.

Am I saying you should just give up on being able to use your own body as a weapon? Absolutely not. But if you’re going to spend your time or money either taking a class or watching a video on self-defense, this is how you make sure you’re doing it right:

Check the teacher’s credentials. Just because a person calls themselves a “self-defense expert” doesn’t mean they know what they’re talking about. Have they trained in krav maga or another defense system for at least a few years? Are they certified? Have they taught before? You can set your own standards for who you want to learn from, but make sure they have some kind of right to be teaching others how to protect themselves.

Practice until you can’t get it wrong. Not until you get it right. Again, for these movements to work in a real-life scenario, they have to happen before you can even process what your body is doing. The ideal thing to do would be to sign up for regular classes, but if you can’t do that, at least enlist the help of a friend to drill the techniques you learned until they become second nature to you.

Don’t go easy on yourself. When you practice this stuff, don’t partner up with someone who’s going to go easy on you. Tell your partner (who will ideally be much bigger and stronger than you) to try to control you using all their strength, just like a real attacker would. Practice in tight spaces, bad lighting, and when you’re already exhausted. It’s going to suck, but if someone actually attacks you, it’s highly unlikely that they’re going to do it in a way that’s convenient for you.

Don’t get cocky. Ideally, you’ll never be close enough to an attacker where you’ll have to worry about striking or choking him. Your objective should always be to avoid the danger, and that means being aware of your surroundings and finding an escape rather than looking for confrontation. Even if you’re well-versed in self-defense techniques, there’s no guarantee that your attacker won’t have a weapon on him or that he won’t be too fast or too strong for you. Any self-defense technique should only be used as a last resort and with the knowledge that if you use it, it might cost you your life if you fail.

To be clear, the victim of an assault is never, ever to blame. But there are some terrible people out there, and dedicating time and effort towards learning how to protect yourself is a wise move. Learning something is better than learning nothing (provided that the information you learn is accurate), but if you truly want to use your body to defend yourself when all else fails, it’s going to take more dedication than a 60-minute class or a quick video could offer.

Video 2. No comments. A lot of the moves were half-assed. From looking at http://www.PureMotionFitness.com, no mention of real martial arts training.

Video 3. The girl who runs her own website (http://www.wongsworksout.com) and YouTube videos is a TaeKwonDo stylist. She's mostly into tournament stuff, which is typical in the TKD world. She is young so she has a long way to go in order to become a much more proficient and knowledgeable instructor.

Below is a bunch of videos that show practical and realistic self-defense training.

Back against the wall

Quit Lying to Women About How to Survive Violent Attacks...Please.

Choke

This video is not bad, but the important thing to remember is that she's receiving proper instructions from a qualified instructor on how to apply the techniques. (Girl's good looking. WB.)

Takedown variations

budoslavic · 04-28-2018 12:14 PM

Continuing on the topic of women's self-defense, this surveillance video is extremely disturbing to watch. Don't watch it if you don't have the stomach for it.

It's important to remember that women who want to learn self-defense are better off enrolling in a real martial arts school, not some gym or fitness center.

A Reminder of Why Women Need Significant Self-Defense Skills

TravelerKai · 04-29-2018 11:14 PM

(04-28-2018 12:09 PM)budoslavic Wrote:
(03-18-2018 11:31 PM)Suits Wrote:
(03-18-2018 11:20 PM)budoslavic Wrote: ...

Is there a version of this video with subtitles?
Speaking as someone who's deaf/HOH, I noticed not all videos have CC/subtitles and a list of languages. However, I can see Aberethy's video in English subtitle in my browser.

(04-17-2018 03:51 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:
(04-17-2018 11:55 AM)debeguiled Wrote: Comic Relief.
...
TK pretty much brought up a lot of good points so I won't repeat what he said, but I'll add some comments in regarding to all of the videos I had watched.
* a personal trainer who teaches "women's self-defense" in a fitness center or gym does not mean that she is qualified. Run if you think he/she knows self-defense.
* a student must always check the personal trainer's credentials and background to see if he/she has any type of REAL martial arts training. Otherwise, lack of martial arts training is typically a red flag.
* a woman who learns impractical and unrealistic self-defense moves from a fitness instructor will only do more harm than good when in a real life dangerous situation.
* a female personal trainer who wears sexy "hump me" outfits...well, I'd tell her to turn around so I can bang her.

For each video, I went straight to the source's background and credentials for any type of martial arts training.

Video 1. Lena Marti's background and credentials:

Quote:Credentials:
Personal Trainer • Nutrition Coaching
CES Corrective Exercise Specialist
PES Performance Enhancement
CPT Certified Personal Trainer
WLS Weight Loss Specialist
NPC fitness Competitor
2x National Qualifier

Part Italian, part Puerto Rican, Lee was born, raised and hardened in Queens, New York Excelling in dance, young Ms. Marti faced a pivotal decision early in life: should she dive into a self-centric performing arts career or inspire others to actively realize their own potential? After embracing an opportunity to train women at her neighborhood gym, the ambitious Lee proved to have the makeup of a natural born leader.
No martial arts training...no surprise there. WB her though.

Sources

Funny enough, a martial artist wrote a post about that BS video.
Entrusting Your Life To BS “Women’s Self-Defense” Techniques Could Get You Killed

Code:

In the past few years, there’s been a surge of gyms offering “women’s self-defense” courses, and from a business standpoint, it’s a smart move. Every day, there are stories about women who are beaten, raped, and murdered by people who are much bigger and stronger than them, so it makes sense that we’d want to take whatever precautions we could to prevent ourselves from becoming a statistic. Hell, I started my own jiu-jitsu journey nearly five years ago after a close call, and I’ve since used it to defend myself in another sketchy situation. It’s a dangerous world out there, and we should absolutely be doing everything we can do stay safe in it. The problem, though, is that many of these classes and tips have the potential to do more harm than good. I came across a video yesterday filmed for women’s lifestyle magazine Marie Claire and promoted by My San Antonio that featured fitness coach Lena Marti teaching five “self-defense” moves. The problem? Every last one of them was utter BS and actually put the victim in a more vulnerable position than they started in. Thankfully, most of the comments on the video were by people who saw right through the nonsense. Even to the untrained eye, it’s pretty clear that Marti’s moves wouldn’t work against anyone who was over the age of twelve and, you know, awake. But that’s probably because, at least as far as her website suggests, Marti has no certification (and an unknown amount of any training) in any kind of martial art or self-defense system. She’s an accomplished fitness coach and model, but unless she’s leaving out some pretty significant information, she’s less qualified to teach self-defense than a brand new blue belt. I’m not trying to rag on Marti here. This woman is a successful badass who can out-lift, out-run, and out-hot me any day. The issue is that she’s far from the only underqualified person who’s giving bad advice to women who don’t know any better and might fall for it. Lots of women don’t do their research before they watch these videos or take these classes, and the result is that they shell out a lot of cash for advice that could get them killed if they tried to use it. Even taking a class from someone who’s qualified to teach it, such as a certified krav maga instructor, can have the opposite of its intended effect. While yes, learning something is better than nothing (and it actually helped this woman who used what she learned to defend against an attacker), it can also lure women into a false sense of security. Knowing what to do if a problem arises is good, but ignoring basic safety precautions because you think you can handle an assailant can land you in the hospital or the morgue. Moreover, many of these one-off classes don’t emphasize the need for realistic and constant repetition. You get paired up with people who move at a snail’s pace and with 30 percent of the effort a real assailant would be giving you. You learn between five and ten moves, practice them until you kind of have the hang of them, then go on your merry way confident that you’ll be able to remember them if your safety is in jeopardy. But those of us who have ever been in a real fight (or even competed in a local martial arts tournament) know that that’s not how it works. It’s always different when you’re practicing with people you know and trust. When you’re trying to truly defend yourself, your adrenaline dumps. Thinking isn’t something that happens unless you’ve conditioned yourself to remain calm and keep your head in these situations. You’re not going to have time to review the step-by-step instructions for a move you practiced for five minutes over a year ago — your body is going to rely on instinct, and unless you are conditioned to properly defend yourself as naturally as you’d hit the brakes if someone stepped in front of your car, that move is going to be useless at best and dangerous at worst. Am I saying you should just give up on being able to use your own body as a weapon? Absolutely not. But if you’re going to spend your time or money either taking a class or watching a video on self-defense, this is how you make sure you’re doing it right: Check the teacher’s credentials. Just because a person calls themselves a “self-defense expert” doesn’t mean they know what they’re talking about. Have they trained in krav maga or another defense system for at least a few years? Are they certified? Have they taught before? You can set your own standards for who you want to learn from, but make sure they have some kind of right to be teaching others how to protect themselves. Practice until you can’t get it wrong. Not until you get it right. Again, for these movements to work in a real-life scenario, they have to happen before you can even process what your body is doing. The ideal thing to do would be to sign up for regular classes, but if you can’t do that, at least enlist the help of a friend to drill the techniques you learned until they become second nature to you. Don’t go easy on yourself. When you practice this stuff, don’t partner up with someone who’s going to go easy on you. Tell your partner (who will ideally be much bigger and stronger than you) to try to control you using all their strength, just like a real attacker would. Practice in tight spaces, bad lighting, and when you’re already exhausted. It’s going to suck, but if someone actually attacks you, it’s highly unlikely that they’re going to do it in a way that’s convenient for you. Don’t get cocky. Ideally, you’ll never be close enough to an attacker where you’ll have to worry about striking or choking him. Your objective should always be to avoid the danger, and that means being aware of your surroundings and finding an escape rather than looking for confrontation. Even if you’re well-versed in self-defense techniques, there’s no guarantee that your attacker won’t have a weapon on him or that he won’t be too fast or too strong for you. Any self-defense technique should only be used as a last resort and with the knowledge that if you use it, it might cost you your life if you fail. To be clear, the victim of an assault is never, ever to blame. But there are some terrible people out there, and dedicating time and effort towards learning how to protect yourself is a wise move. Learning something is better than learning nothing (provided that the information you learn is accurate), but if you truly want to use your body to defend yourself when all else fails, it’s going to take more dedication than a 60-minute class or a quick video could offer.

Video 2. No comments. A lot of the moves were half-assed. From looking at http://www.PureMotionFitness.com, no mention of real martial arts training.

Video 3. The girl who runs her own website (http://www.wongsworksout.com) and YouTube videos is a TaeKwonDo stylist. She's mostly into tournament stuff, which is typical in the TKD world. She is young so she has a long way to go in order to become a much more proficient and knowledgeable instructor.

Below is a bunch of videos that show practical and realistic self-defense training.

Back against the wall

Quit Lying to Women About How to Survive Violent Attacks...Please.

Choke

This video is not bad, but the important thing to remember is that she's receiving proper instructions from a qualified instructor on how to apply the techniques. (Girl's good looking. WB.)

Takedown variations

Good stuff Budoslavic! Yeah that Krav Maga dude is right. Another reason why you have to be careful which KM school you attend, more so if you are a woman because women really should not be taught the same as guys. A woman with a great 40m dash is better able to escape than a swol bitch with a man's ego. All they really need to do is escape the grip and do enough to pull away and run. An armbar is indeed ridiculous for self defense for the street.

BJJ is actually great for women if they want to be rape proof, or at least extremely rape resistant. If that man is large enough and can lift and slam that same woman or knows how to ground and pound, her BJJ skills will be stretched to the limits. Likely she will lose that fight and end up raped if that is the case. An regular/weak untrained man and he will end up getting choked out or arm broken.

Thing is, what feminine women you know want to do BJJ long enough to be this way? I had a hard time recruiting ones for my female classes. I would toss in self defense stuff for them on top of the BJJ. Still was a tough sell....

In an ideal world, women actually do not go places all the fucking time alone anyway. Muslims actually got that part right about chaperones, etc. That 12 year old girl that got kidnapped recently walking home from school is a great example of that. Good looking white girl walking home from school alone? In a sexually repressed society full of omegas and perverts? Her parents are stupid. Would not be me letting mine do that. Dropped off or picked up. Period.

That last video while he seemed to teach the technique properly, I would rarely to never use that in self defense situations. Most Judokas would rather use a heel sweep or osoto gari/kosoto gari or similar. You really do not want to get that low in a self defense situation to the ground. Lots of Karate guys (black belts I have found) are familiar with those kinds of sweeps. Like those Kyokushin type Karate guys. They would not use that takedown especially if other unknown men are standing around during the fight.

TravelerKai · 04-29-2018 11:22 PM

For those wondering why Muay Thai kickboxers tend not to have as good punches as regular boxers or other kickboxers, look at this video.

If you pay close attention, some of these guys got knocked out cold for throwing uppercuts and right cross punches, that actually landed flush!

Understand that a punch is nowhere near as devastating as an elbow strike. You better stun that dude with a punch if you are going to bother throwing it, otherwise you are wide the fuck open for a short thrown elbow. One guy got hit so hard he probably did not know where he was or who he was. He actually looked like he lost motor functions and turned into a plank of wood stiff.

Muay Thai is powerful fellas.

kinjutsu · 04-30-2018 12:38 AM

(04-28-2018 12:14 PM)budoslavic Wrote: Continuing on the topic of women's self-defense, this surveillance video is extremely disturbing to watch. Don't watch it if you don't have the stomach for it.

It's important to remember that women who want to learn self-defense are better off enrolling in a real martial arts school, not some gym or fitness center.

A Reminder of Why Women Need Significant Self-Defense Skills

That was rough to watch...
RIP to that girl.

Dalaran1991 · 04-30-2018 11:35 AM

Or they could learn how to not date psychos and convicts in the first place. Who s the convict who got a modeling contract and career change because women find him hot?

In what world would any girl manage to accumulate the necessary amount of self defense needed to survive in such situation? Im a black belt in aikido and we are supposedly experts at dealing with being grabbed from behind, and i could think of no effective way to really defend myself from that situation. If you're lifted off the ground from behind like that you are fucked, saved if you are really good at headbutts or backhanded elbows.

Her only chance was to kick herself against the wall and thus leveraging her way out from his grip. The best defense here really is to not be there with that kind of person in the first place, but we all know how women love these bad boys.

kinjutsu · 04-30-2018 02:31 PM

(04-30-2018 11:35 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote: Or they could learn how to not date psychos and convicts in the first place. Who s the convict who got a modeling contract and career change because women find him hot?

In what world would any girl manage to accumulate the necessary amount of self defense needed to survive in such situation? Im a black belt in aikido and we are supposedly experts at dealing with being grabbed from behind, and i could think of no effective way to really defend myself from that situation. If you're lifted off the ground from behind like that you are fucked, saved if you are really good at headbutts or backhanded elbows.

Her only chance was to kick herself against the wall and thus leveraging her way out from his grip. The best defense here really is to not be there with that kind of person in the first place, but we all know how women love these bad boys.

I've had similar conversations with various women in my life, about how to defend themselves against a large male and what is the best martial art for women to learn.
I answered them all the same.
"Make better choices"
Don't date edgy guys with a record and tattoos with drinking/drug problems.
Don't be out at night alone and drunk.
Don't go to places without at least a few people you know well and trust to help you if/when you get fall down drunk.

Not being there is the best type of self defense in the world.
You don't have to worry about getting stabbed or shot in the club if your ass is at home in bed sleeping.
Just because we CAN fight doesn't mean we SHOULD.

blck · 05-01-2018 03:00 AM

(04-30-2018 02:31 PM)kinjutsu Wrote: I've had similar conversations with various women in my life, about how to defend themselves against a large male and what is the best martial art for women to learn.
I answered them all the same.
"Make better choices"
Don't date edgy guys with a record and tattoos with drinking/drug problems.
Don't be out at night alone and drunk.
Don't go to places without at least a few people you know well and trust to help you if/when you get fall down drunk.

Not being there is the best type of self defense in the world.
You don't have to worry about getting stabbed or shot in the club if your ass is at home in bed sleeping.
Just because we CAN fight doesn't mean we SHOULD.

First of all
>Women
>Self Defense
Choose one

There are a lot of sport that women could do to defend themselves but why should they ?
I mean everywhere you'll go you'll find white knights, they're legion out there defending & getting women out of trouble for free and who predictably ,like butterfly when you get it out of the spider web, go back into it again right away.

Once again I'll get this perfect quote out that you should Never forget next time you try to have a conversation with women about why they chose Danger over Security:

Quote:Tingle Trump Common Sense

kinjutsu · 05-01-2018 03:16 AM

(05-01-2018 03:00 AM)blck Wrote:
(04-30-2018 02:31 PM)kinjutsu Wrote: I've had similar conversations with various women in my life, about how to defend themselves against a large male and what is the best martial art for women to learn.
I answered them all the same.
"Make better choices"
Don't date edgy guys with a record and tattoos with drinking/drug problems.
Don't be out at night alone and drunk.
Don't go to places without at least a few people you know well and trust to help you if/when you get fall down drunk.

Not being there is the best type of self defense in the world.
You don't have to worry about getting stabbed or shot in the club if your ass is at home in bed sleeping.
Just because we CAN fight doesn't mean we SHOULD.

First of all
>Women
>Self Defense
Choose one

There are a lot of sport that women could do to defend themselves but why should they ?
I mean everywhere you'll go you'll find white knights, they're legion out there defending & getting women out of trouble for free and who predictably ,like butterfly when you get it out of the spider web, go back into it again right away.

Once again I'll get this perfect quote out that you should Never forget next time you try to have a conversation with women about why they chose Danger over Security:

Quote:Tingle Trump Common Sense

This type of comment is basically useless to the conversation.
There are many times when the females in your life will ask fro self defense advice since they know I've studied martial arts for many years.
There are many many times when women get attacked/raped/killed because there was no "white knight" there to step in to save them.
There are many times female students come to me asking about situational defense for when they're going to their car a night etc.

Saying "Tingles trump common sense" adds nothing to this discussion.
If your sister/mom came to you for self defense tips, is that how you would address their concerns?

If you have nothing to contribute to this conversation please keep it to yourself.

blck · 05-01-2018 05:34 AM

Don't be mad about my comment, try to refute it, you're right about women getting raped and killed but you're being delusional if you think women, who can't get out of friendly situation in the dojo against a man without him lowering his level, will be able to get out of a really sticky situation against a motivated aggressor with only tips & tricks.

For my quote about Tingle trumping common sense it had a lot of thing to do when you start arguing that women should chose better men in a martial arts thread...

kinjutsu · 05-01-2018 01:01 PM

You have contributed next to nothing in this thread so please keep your opinions about how women can effectively keep themselves from getting raped/attacked to yourself.
This thread is for providing relevant and correct information about various martial arts or giving feedback on YouTube videos.
Your comment did neither.
With what you've already said it looks like you believe women who happen to make a mistake in judgement deserve to be assaulted.

Your comments are of someone who clearly has no clue about martial arts or self defense.

TravelerKai · 05-01-2018 02:46 PM

Blck's posts are a little bit confusing to me. I don't think I fully understand what he is trying to say, but the best fights are the ones you never had. Whether that is verbal judo, de-escalation, threat detection skills, a working knowledge of exits and egress (transitional spaces), avoidance of poorly lit places, be near crowds, etc.

Women can learn all these things, just like any man can.

The best self defense tool a woman can have is a handgun, with an inside the waistband (IWB) holster. Abdominal carry is second best. Purse slot carry is not that great or recommended.

Anyway, women have 40% the bone density a man has and much much less muscle mass. Women need force multipliers to deal with a male threat. Since women can shoot any man attacking them, that has no deadly weapon in his hands, a modern day single woman (in the USA at least) would be retarded to NOT have a handgun license.

For all the foreign women out there? Good luck and train hard to avoid shit. Aside from carrying a karambit or talon blade, or pepper spray (both of which are illegal in Canada I think), there is not much they can do except avoid, avoid, avoid.

Relying on others to protect you is a playing with house money at the blackjack table of life.

Your personal safety is YOUR responsibility. No one else's.

sterling_archer · 05-06-2018 07:29 AM

Russian slap though!

Laugh3

cascadecombo · 05-20-2018 06:55 PM

(05-06-2018 07:29 AM)sterling_archer Wrote: Russian slap though!

About 23 seconds in is where it starts.

TravelerKai · 05-24-2018 08:28 AM

Good stuff Combo. That 10 List guy's videos are idotic Bullshido forums claptrap nonsense.

Capoeira can have very powerful uses, most people just use the dance form of it. I honestly do not know too many people or places where you could learn it. Like your video shows, some Brazilian guys in MMA have used as well as former breakdancers, in order to get openings and throw off opponents.

I used to train a couple of breakdancers and they would bust it out on occasion in sparring, so I have seen it first hand. I even taught a Capoeira instructor BJJ once back in the day. Guys like that, you could skip the whole fight with rhythm stuff and just teach them techniques. They made their own timings and stance styles, that actually made sense and were very hard for other orthodox style fighters to read.

If you really want to get down in the weeds, the Brazilian UFC, Pride, MMA fighters for a long time, were hard to film study and read because they had those dance sambas when they fought. Anderson Silva, Marco Ruas, Wanderlei Silva, Pedro Rizzo, Nog, all those Brazilian Top Team and Chute Boxe guys, etc.

All those guys had good head movements and hip and foot movements borrowed from Capoeira. Now lots of guys copied this and fight like this as if this thing is a pure MMA thing. They have no idea where all that comes from.

The only reason why I do not think Boxers never borrowed much from it, is because they cannot kick, and most pro boxers are savvy enough to adjust. That said, Mike Tyson had lots of the same head movements even before he honed his peekaboo style. I watched on Youtube recently some super old footage of him before going pro, and you can hear DAmato yelling at him to keep moving his head.

TravelerKai · 05-24-2018 09:07 AM

(04-12-2018 06:58 PM)Rocha Wrote:
(04-12-2018 05:51 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:
(04-12-2018 02:47 PM)Rocha Wrote: ^ I am quite sure Andrew Tate knows how to throw an elbow or a knee.

There is no need to train years in Muay Thai to throw a deadly elbow. And deadly they are indeed.

Even though you are on my ignore list. I will reply to this.

Elbows in American and Dutch Kickboxing are not the same as in Muay Thai.

There are 5 types of elbow strikes in Muay Thai, give or take. All thrown in different variations aside from the direction (all 4 cardinal directions plus center = 5, even though there are diagonal ones)

Andrew is an American style Kickboxer, not a Muay Thai guy.

There is a very different and distinct set of rules between the two styles. To a casual observer it looks the same. It's not the same thing. Not all styles of kickboxing allow the same elbow strikes, nor are all those elbow strikes taught.

Clinch work is unique to MT as opposed to kickboxing. the hand grips, which serve as a dual purpose nerve pinch choke on the neck, with the palm on palm grip, to how the knees are given when a clinch is had. Knees are given to the ribs (in particular spots that just so happen to be powerful pressure points), butterfly knees, knees to the chin, and the famous knee to the body + elbow to the temple on the head/face is unique to Muay Thai. This is not a combo for American style kickboxing or Dutch.

That clinch attack would knock out cold or stun most people on earth. Hence the deadly and efficient reputation of MT.

Regular kickboxing does not have this. Using it would mean that the event you are doing it in, has made it legal for whatever reason, but most of the times that is not legal in non-Muay Thai events. Unless you train this way, does not mean you can use it anyway.

Up and down elbows to the head are illegal in UFC for this very reason.

Elbow strikes are insanely strong in self defense and the artform that holds a monopoly on them would, no doubt, have the strongest versions of such. The bone density of the elbow compared to the rest of the body is not up for debate.

To suggest different would show your inexperience with MT and self defense in general.

I understand your passion for Martial arts, teaching, and share your knowledge.
But what I meant was that any guy who trains a striking martial art can incorporate elbows and knees on his training if they are not part of the discipline.

Ex: Mirko Cro Cop was always a Kickboxer, with some BJJ mixed up. Does not mean he did not broke Gonzaga's soul with elbows (around 1:00)

Wrong.

You just furthered my point entirely.

Of course Cro Cop knows elbow strikes intimately. He also was a Karate guy not a MMA guy at first.

Look at who his teacher was!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Hippolyte

Titles
1995 K-3 Grand Prix '95 Champion
1995 W.M.T.C. Middleweight World Champion at Lumpinee Stadium, Bangkok, Thailand
1994 K-3 Dutch Edition Tournament Champion -76.2 kg
M.T.B.N. World Champion
W.M.T.A. World Champion -72 kg
1988 W.K.A. Welterweight World Champion
4 times E.M.T.A. European Muay Thai Champion
1986 European Champion Savate

The eye in the sky does not lie. Watch enough CroCop film and you can easily tell he has a Muay Thai background (as well as Karate which has elbows too). Look it up and sure enough, it's all there from a half Dutch-Asian man who was his teacher. I had no idea who his teacher was just now, but when I looked it up I was not surprised at all. You need to pay more attention to what you see during a fight. Fighters give off more clues than you think. Don't look at what camps they fight out of when they are pro. Some of them have backgrounds (and their coaches) that you would not expect.

Poker · 05-24-2018 10:07 AM

Damn TravelerKai, One day, I hope to buy you a beer, give you a good cigar and pick your brains on martial arts, fighting etc....

TravelerKai · 05-24-2018 01:31 PM

Homework Assignment Time:

I want everyone to measure their arm lengths and leg lengths. Do both arms and legs in case you are an ectomorph or XXY syndrome'd or something else funky.

Inches or Centimeters, your choice.

Stick out a yard stick or a stick with the measured length of both your arms and your legs. You have to know your range from a casual stare into the air. Measure your arm flat/hyperextended and measure with the slight elbow bend for correct punching mechanics.

Now you know how close or how far to allow or prevent someone hostile from entering your personal space.

Having a deeper understanding of distancing and position is paramount to success either in the ring or outside of it.

BJJ guys (myself included) love for opponents to be so close they could get kissed. That's fine and dandy in a 1-1 fight with no weapons involved, but even then, cage or outside, you cannot outstrike some people. Some people might even be just too damn big to grapple.

If pros like Lomachenko or Floyd constantly position themselves at the optimal distances for strikes and engagement, you should be doing it to. You need to understand your reaches on a subconscious level. Pivot around the bag, the focus mitt partner without having to think about the distance or even use your eyes. It really needs to be a feel thing, because if you ever get rocked, you need to be able to counter without whiffing the punch into the air.

When working on focus mitts, make your partner alternate between pressing on you and being elusive. Closing gaps and expanding space consistently is the ultimate goal.

TravelerKai · 05-24-2018 02:40 PM

Check this dude out. Artur from the Ukraine

This is a prime example of a somewhat rare Dutch Style Kickboxer that should have boxed professionally instead of kickboxing.

I don't follow this guy so I do not know if he has always been this good boxing wise. He is 31 so switching to boxing now could make sense because even a few years with a few good bouts could get him a nice enough amount of money to be worth switching.

Assuming he's clean (he looks fit as fuck for 170), he probably could make some good dough if he switched. Kunlun is cool and all and I casually watch it sometimes, but make no mistake, it isn't WBC/WBO Boxing or even UFC. It's just a Chinese UFC in the early stages. I can see him giving grief to the lower and mid rank 170s in boxing. He might have to trim up on that muscle and get a bit leaner though if he goes past 8 round fights.

Rocha · 05-24-2018 02:55 PM

(05-24-2018 09:07 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:
(04-12-2018 06:58 PM)Rocha Wrote:
(04-12-2018 05:51 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:
(04-12-2018 02:47 PM)Rocha Wrote: ^ I am quite sure Andrew Tate knows how to throw an elbow or a knee.

There is no need to train years in Muay Thai to throw a deadly elbow. And deadly they are indeed.

Even though you are on my ignore list. I will reply to this.

Elbows in American and Dutch Kickboxing are not the same as in Muay Thai.

There are 5 types of elbow strikes in Muay Thai, give or take. All thrown in different variations aside from the direction (all 4 cardinal directions plus center = 5, even though there are diagonal ones)

Andrew is an American style Kickboxer, not a Muay Thai guy.

There is a very different and distinct set of rules between the two styles. To a casual observer it looks the same. It's not the same thing. Not all styles of kickboxing allow the same elbow strikes, nor are all those elbow strikes taught.

Clinch work is unique to MT as opposed to kickboxing. the hand grips, which serve as a dual purpose nerve pinch choke on the neck, with the palm on palm grip, to how the knees are given when a clinch is had. Knees are given to the ribs (in particular spots that just so happen to be powerful pressure points), butterfly knees, knees to the chin, and the famous knee to the body + elbow to the temple on the head/face is unique to Muay Thai. This is not a combo for American style kickboxing or Dutch.

That clinch attack would knock out cold or stun most people on earth. Hence the deadly and efficient reputation of MT.

Regular kickboxing does not have this. Using it would mean that the event you are doing it in, has made it legal for whatever reason, but most of the times that is not legal in non-Muay Thai events. Unless you train this way, does not mean you can use it anyway.

Up and down elbows to the head are illegal in UFC for this very reason.

Elbow strikes are insanely strong in self defense and the artform that holds a monopoly on them would, no doubt, have the strongest versions of such. The bone density of the elbow compared to the rest of the body is not up for debate.

To suggest different would show your inexperience with MT and self defense in general.

I understand your passion for Martial arts, teaching, and share your knowledge.
But what I meant was that any guy who trains a striking martial art can incorporate elbows and knees on his training if they are not part of the discipline.

Ex: Mirko Cro Cop was always a Kickboxer, with some BJJ mixed up. Does not mean he did not broke Gonzaga's soul with elbows (around 1:00)

Wrong.

You just furthered my point entirely.

Of course Cro Cop knows elbow strikes intimately. He also was a Karate guy not a MMA guy at first.

Look at who his teacher was!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Hippolyte

Titles
1995 K-3 Grand Prix '95 Champion
1995 W.M.T.C. Middleweight World Champion at Lumpinee Stadium, Bangkok, Thailand
1994 K-3 Dutch Edition Tournament Champion -76.2 kg
M.T.B.N. World Champion
W.M.T.A. World Champion -72 kg
1988 W.K.A. Welterweight World Champion
4 times E.M.T.A. European Muay Thai Champion
1986 European Champion Savate

The eye in the sky does not lie. Watch enough CroCop film and you can easily tell he has a Muay Thai background (as well as Karate which has elbows too). Look it up and sure enough, it's all there from a half Dutch-Asian man who was his teacher. I had no idea who his teacher was just now, but when I looked it up I was not surprised at all. You need to pay more attention to what you see during a fight. Fighters give off more clues than you think. Don't look at what camps they fight out of when they are pro. Some of them have backgrounds (and their coaches) that you would not expect.

Ivan Hyppolite was originaly a Savate practicioner, and Mirko Cro Cop hired him as a coach in 2009 when the latter was already a veteran pro fighter and past his prime.

Also Ivan is not a half Dutch-Asian man, he is a black guy from Suriname.

Back on topic, everybody can train elbow strikes. I train them 10 minutes at the end of each practice.

You just could not leave it at that.

TravelerKai · 05-24-2018 03:17 PM

(05-24-2018 02:55 PM)Rocha Wrote:
(05-24-2018 09:07 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:
(04-12-2018 06:58 PM)Rocha Wrote:
(04-12-2018 05:51 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:
(04-12-2018 02:47 PM)Rocha Wrote: ^ I am quite sure Andrew Tate knows how to throw an elbow or a knee.

There is no need to train years in Muay Thai to throw a deadly elbow. And deadly they are indeed.

Even though you are on my ignore list. I will reply to this.

Elbows in American and Dutch Kickboxing are not the same as in Muay Thai.

There are 5 types of elbow strikes in Muay Thai, give or take. All thrown in different variations aside from the direction (all 4 cardinal directions plus center = 5, even though there are diagonal ones)

Andrew is an American style Kickboxer, not a Muay Thai guy.

There is a very different and distinct set of rules between the two styles. To a casual observer it looks the same. It's not the same thing. Not all styles of kickboxing allow the same elbow strikes, nor are all those elbow strikes taught.

Clinch work is unique to MT as opposed to kickboxing. the hand grips, which serve as a dual purpose nerve pinch choke on the neck, with the palm on palm grip, to how the knees are given when a clinch is had. Knees are given to the ribs (in particular spots that just so happen to be powerful pressure points), butterfly knees, knees to the chin, and the famous knee to the body + elbow to the temple on the head/face is unique to Muay Thai. This is not a combo for American style kickboxing or Dutch.

That clinch attack would knock out cold or stun most people on earth. Hence the deadly and efficient reputation of MT.

Regular kickboxing does not have this. Using it would mean that the event you are doing it in, has made it legal for whatever reason, but most of the times that is not legal in non-Muay Thai events. Unless you train this way, does not mean you can use it anyway.

Up and down elbows to the head are illegal in UFC for this very reason.

Elbow strikes are insanely strong in self defense and the artform that holds a monopoly on them would, no doubt, have the strongest versions of such. The bone density of the elbow compared to the rest of the body is not up for debate.

To suggest different would show your inexperience with MT and self defense in general.

I understand your passion for Martial arts, teaching, and share your knowledge.
But what I meant was that any guy who trains a striking martial art can incorporate elbows and knees on his training if they are not part of the discipline.

Ex: Mirko Cro Cop was always a Kickboxer, with some BJJ mixed up. Does not mean he did not broke Gonzaga's soul with elbows (around 1:00)

Wrong.

You just furthered my point entirely.

Of course Cro Cop knows elbow strikes intimately. He also was a Karate guy not a MMA guy at first.

Look at who his teacher was!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Hippolyte

Titles
1995 K-3 Grand Prix '95 Champion
1995 W.M.T.C. Middleweight World Champion at Lumpinee Stadium, Bangkok, Thailand
1994 K-3 Dutch Edition Tournament Champion -76.2 kg
M.T.B.N. World Champion
W.M.T.A. World Champion -72 kg
1988 W.K.A. Welterweight World Champion
4 times E.M.T.A. European Muay Thai Champion
1986 European Champion Savate

The eye in the sky does not lie. Watch enough CroCop film and you can easily tell he has a Muay Thai background (as well as Karate which has elbows too). Look it up and sure enough, it's all there from a half Dutch-Asian man who was his teacher. I had no idea who his teacher was just now, but when I looked it up I was not surprised at all. You need to pay more attention to what you see during a fight. Fighters give off more clues than you think. Don't look at what camps they fight out of when they are pro. Some of them have backgrounds (and their coaches) that you would not expect.

Ivan Hyppolite was originaly a Savate practicioner, and Mirko Cro Cop hired him as a coach in 2009 when the latter was already a veteran pro fighter and past his prime.

Also Ivan is not a half Dutch-Asian man, he is a black guy from Suriname.

Back on topic, everybody can train elbow strikes. I train them 10 minutes at the end of each practice.

You just could not leave it at that.

No it was 2007 not 2009 when he hired him as a coach. He was not past his prime either. He probably would have hired him sooner, but Pride did not allow elbows the way UFC does. He still has the Karate background as well for elbows, but again, Pride doesn't allow it.

Training elbows for 10 mins everyday after practice is not going to make anyone proficient at doing them. That's beyond stupid. It needs to be part of everyday training with a qualified instructor or MT coach, teaching you how to do them properly and not get your nerve endings stunned or injure yourself like a dumb amateur.

There is a very good reason why you are on my ignore list, but I had to make sure you are not confusing others and spreading your typical bullshit and misinformation. Go troll in your Soviet Union music lovers thread nobody gives a shit about.

Parzival · 05-24-2018 03:25 PM

The book meditation on violence was mention here. I have read it and was very good. Here is a very good interview about self defence. I like this channel as well.
Most attacks are an ambush, happen when you don't expect it, lack fairness, lack rules. Also how important is your mindset to survive. Will you give up? Will you fight to win? To survive? To death? How strong is your desire to life? To give resistance? How fast can you pull the switch in your head?

Finally some last words of wisdom:
Brick don't hit back!

Rocha · 05-24-2018 03:26 PM

(05-24-2018 03:17 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:
(05-24-2018 02:55 PM)Rocha Wrote:
(05-24-2018 09:07 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:
(04-12-2018 06:58 PM)Rocha Wrote:
(04-12-2018 05:51 PM)TravelerKai Wrote: Even though you are on my ignore list. I will reply to this.

Elbows in American and Dutch Kickboxing are not the same as in Muay Thai.

There are 5 types of elbow strikes in Muay Thai, give or take. All thrown in different variations aside from the direction (all 4 cardinal directions plus center = 5, even though there are diagonal ones)

Andrew is an American style Kickboxer, not a Muay Thai guy.

There is a very different and distinct set of rules between the two styles. To a casual observer it looks the same. It's not the same thing. Not all styles of kickboxing allow the same elbow strikes, nor are all those elbow strikes taught.

Clinch work is unique to MT as opposed to kickboxing. the hand grips, which serve as a dual purpose nerve pinch choke on the neck, with the palm on palm grip, to how the knees are given when a clinch is had. Knees are given to the ribs (in particular spots that just so happen to be powerful pressure points), butterfly knees, knees to the chin, and the famous knee to the body + elbow to the temple on the head/face is unique to Muay Thai. This is not a combo for American style kickboxing or Dutch.

That clinch attack would knock out cold or stun most people on earth. Hence the deadly and efficient reputation of MT.

Regular kickboxing does not have this. Using it would mean that the event you are doing it in, has made it legal for whatever reason, but most of the times that is not legal in non-Muay Thai events. Unless you train this way, does not mean you can use it anyway.

Up and down elbows to the head are illegal in UFC for this very reason.

Elbow strikes are insanely strong in self defense and the artform that holds a monopoly on them would, no doubt, have the strongest versions of such. The bone density of the elbow compared to the rest of the body is not up for debate.

To suggest different would show your inexperience with MT and self defense in general.

I understand your passion for Martial arts, teaching, and share your knowledge.
But what I meant was that any guy who trains a striking martial art can incorporate elbows and knees on his training if they are not part of the discipline.

Ex: Mirko Cro Cop was always a Kickboxer, with some BJJ mixed up. Does not mean he did not broke Gonzaga's soul with elbows (around 1:00)

Wrong.

You just furthered my point entirely.

Of course Cro Cop knows elbow strikes intimately. He also was a Karate guy not a MMA guy at first.

Look at who his teacher was!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Hippolyte

Titles
1995 K-3 Grand Prix '95 Champion
1995 W.M.T.C. Middleweight World Champion at Lumpinee Stadium, Bangkok, Thailand
1994 K-3 Dutch Edition Tournament Champion -76.2 kg
M.T.B.N. World Champion
W.M.T.A. World Champion -72 kg
1988 W.K.A. Welterweight World Champion
4 times E.M.T.A. European Muay Thai Champion
1986 European Champion Savate

The eye in the sky does not lie. Watch enough CroCop film and you can easily tell he has a Muay Thai background (as well as Karate which has elbows too). Look it up and sure enough, it's all there from a half Dutch-Asian man who was his teacher. I had no idea who his teacher was just now, but when I looked it up I was not surprised at all. You need to pay more attention to what you see during a fight. Fighters give off more clues than you think. Don't look at what camps they fight out of when they are pro. Some of them have backgrounds (and their coaches) that you would not expect.

Ivan Hyppolite was originaly a Savate practicioner, and Mirko Cro Cop hired him as a coach in 2009 when the latter was already a veteran pro fighter and past his prime.

Also Ivan is not a half Dutch-Asian man, he is a black guy from Suriname.

Back on topic, everybody can train elbow strikes. I train them 10 minutes at the end of each practice.

You just could not leave it at that.

No it was 2007 not 2009 when he hired him as a coach. He was not past his prime either. He probably would have hired him sooner, but Pride did not allow elbows the way UFC does. He still has the Karate background as well for elbows, but again, Pride doesn't allow it.

Training elbows for 10 mins everyday after practice is not going to make anyone proficient at doing them. That's beyond stupid. It needs to be part of everyday training with a qualified instructor or MT coach, teaching you how to do them properly and not get your nerve endings stunned or injure yourself like a dumb amateur.

There is a very good reason why you are on my ignore list, but I had to make sure you are not confusing others and spreading your typical bullshit and misinformation. Go troll in your Soviet Union music lovers thread nobody gives a shit about.

Don't make a fool out of yourself, you have more potential than that. Oss.

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