Post: #426

(05-02-2018 07:56 PM)Mr. Ripley Wrote:  Trump declares May Jewish history month.

Post: #427

I reckon the Japs were innocent during WW2.

There was no mass murder of Chinese nor were POWs treated badly.

The Brit ,Aussie ,Yank POWs just didn't want to eat because they couldn't stand rice so they got sick.

The Jap military tried to help them with medical care but these POWs were just stubborn and wanted no help.

They were racist against Asians so didn't want Jap Doctors toiching them.

They volunteered to build to build the Burma Thai railway but they wanted no food for it.

Those crazy white guys and Coolies just kept dying and the kind Japs did everything to help them.

So all the Jap atrocities are a myth and Allied POWs just went on hunger strikes

All Allied POWs were just liars and it was an excuse to carve up Japan.

You know like those Allied POWs the Germans captured and put in Concetration camps to keep them safe after they were naughty or those Millions of Russian POWs that just refused to eat.

Or those Allied soldiers that liberated the Concetration camps more liars.

Post: #428

(05-19-2018 07:02 PM)Green-On-GO Wrote:  I reckon the Japs were innocent during WW2.

There was no mass murder of Chinese nor were POWs treated badly.

The Brit ,Aussie ,Yank POWs just didn't want to eat because they couldn't stand rice so they got sick.

The Jap military tried to help them with medical care but these POWs were just stubborn and wanted no help.

They were racist against Asians so didn't want Jap Doctors toiching them.

They volunteered to build to build the Burma Thai railway but they wanted no food for it.

Those crazy white guys and Coolies just kept dying and the kind Japs did everything to help them.

So all the Jap atrocities are a myth and Allied POWs just went on hunger strikes

All Allied POWs were just liars and it was an excuse to carve up Japan.

You know like those Allied POWs the Germans captured and put in Concetration camps to keep them safe after they were naughty or those Millions of Russian POWs that just refused to eat.

Or those Allied soldiers that liberated the Concetration camps more liars.

Not sure what you are trying to get at by being sarcastic, but all these points illustrate what this thread is getting at: That WWII was numerous regional conflicts where various different nations devastated each other - Japan devastated China and other parts of SEA, Germany devastated Eastern Europe, US devastated Germany and Japan....the Jews are objectively only a tiny fraction of this yet are being blown way out of proportion. Maybe this was the point you were trying to make.

Post: #429

@GreenOnGo - and the point of your post is?

Post: #430

Germany devastated Eastern Europe?

Wasn't that the Jewish communists?

Post: #431

(05-20-2018 06:41 AM)ProGambler Wrote:  Germany devastated Eastern Europe?

Wasn't that the Jewish communists?

Both.

Germany in the final months of war carted off a lot of factory equipment from the industrialized cities in EE. Also they engaged in a genocidal campaign against the intelligentsia of EE - at least part of them even closing universities for a couple years. Only at later levels of the war did Hitler espouse integration of the slavs into the Reich. Many were used as slave laborers under austere conditions.

The Bolsheviks intended to do much worse of course, so one could argue about the degree. After the war a lot of that genocide had to be rolled back because the EE people had to officially join and support the communist bloc.

Post: #432

(05-19-2018 07:52 PM)kamoz Wrote:  Not sure what you are trying to get at by being sarcastic, but all these points illustrate what this thread is getting at: That WWII was numerous regional conflicts where various different nations devastated each other - Japan devastated China and other parts of SEA, Germany devastated Eastern Europe, US devastated Germany and Japan....the Jews are objectively only a tiny fraction of this yet are being blown way out of proportion. Maybe this was the point you were trying to make.

Let's not overstate this. Yes, Jews were a minority of WWII deaths but their Jewishness painted targets on their backs that could never be erased while the Nazis ruled most of Europe. The Jews were treated more harshly by the Nazis, much more harshly, than the otherwise hated Slavs were. Aside from scarce individual cases, Jews were never spared from persecution.

The only group that came close to Jews for being persecuted and exterminated by the Germans was the captured Red Army soldiers. Poles and others were certainly butchered, but the murdered Slavs basically had to win a kind of macabre lottery in order to be killed. This lottery was on display in Lidice in Bohemia, where the Nazis killed hundreds of or several thousand Czechs as reprisal work for the killing of Himmler's deputy Reinhard Heydrich. Tragic and inexcusable, but nevertheless confined to a limited area.

If "inferior" Slavic nations kowtowed to the Germans, they fared pretty well (murder is murder, yes, but mortality rates were lower when countries minimized their resistance). For example, the death rate in Slavic Czechoslovakia (partitioned into the military-governed Bohemia/Moravia and Hitler's direct ally Slovakia) was the same (ca. 3.5%) as the death rate in the supposedly Aryan Netherlands. Though the Czechs were not pro-Nazi like many Slovaks, they offered only piecemeal resistance to the Nazis, excluding the assassination of Heydrich in '42.

By contrast, the Poles experienced a 20% death rate. Even if you take out the Polish Jews, the death rate was 4-5 times higher in Poland than in the modern-day Czech Republic. The Poles erupted in revolt in '44 and had a very decently organized resistance, whereas the Czechs were essentially the last European people to be met by Allied soldiers and tanks. The Czechs also gave up without a shot in late '38 (the Sudetenland Crisis) and early '39 (the annexation of their lands), whilst the Poles fought pretty valiantly for around a month in '39.

Likewise, the Nordic Dutch experienced a higher death rate (2.5 times higher) than the non-Germanic French because they tended to resist more and collaborate less. This is despite the historical animosity between the Germans and French.

For the Jews, it didn't matter whether they resisted (generally they didn't).

I get your point, yet the Nazi policy towards the Jews, albeit originally contradictory, became a plan of genocide that lacks any firm parallel in the wider context of World War II.

Post: #433

(05-22-2018 12:06 AM)david.garrett84 Wrote:  the Nazi policy towards the Jews, albeit originally contradictory, became a plan of genocide that lacks any firm parallel in the wider context of World War II.

Interesting, David. The Nazis had a genocide policy towards the Jews...

Do you mean the gas chambers?

Are there any official third Reich documents detailing this policy?

Post: #434

This Jewish kid that said gas chambers were not as depicted by history disappeared after this interview.

Post: #435

< He is stil around, but disappeared from public life - he published a semi-sarcastic letter that said that EVERYTHING TOLD AS BY THE OFFICIAL ACCOUNTS IS ABSOLUTELY 100% TRUE and that he was just a young unaware boy and that they should leave him the fuck alone.

I think there is a link of his letter somewhere in the thread. He quickly realized that the kickback to his activities is just too severe. Though the letter is worded so clear that it might appear legit - in reality he states all the most inane things as truth now - even the ones he saw with his own eyes to be false.

I understand him - the repercussions are just too severe.

Post: #436

(05-20-2018 04:04 AM)fokker Wrote:  @GreenOnGo - and the point of your post is?

Achtung ...I'm was being sarcastic

Dude I use to have this arguement back in the 90s with skin heads I served with in the Army.

Some how all Jap crimes against us are real but Nazi crimes are fake.

Holocaust denial to me is an insult to every Allied soldier who fought the Nazis and liberated camps.

Its an insult to every Allied POW put in those camps and Allied POWs who witnessed what the Nazis did.

Its an insult to evey kid put on a train and sent to the gas chambers...but but they needed toddlers to work the mines.

Witness upon witness from Doctors to postmen to Police officers etc etc .What they all met in a pub after the war and made it up?

Where are the Jap papers that say starve ,beat ,bayonet allied POWs?The Chinese Yanks etc must be lying


Also there is no question on the estimated German Jap or USSR dead but Jews eterminated dead that can't be real.

BTW all those skinheads cease being skinheads once they went on Ops and carried their first butchered kid..

If a 96 year old Jap man was arrested for crimes against Aussie ,Brit or Yank POWs .Say he beheaded dozens was known on the Baatan death march then worked the Thai Burma railway .He was at Nanking way before that.
Say that cunt was arrested.Would the denial crew rush to his defence?Fuck no.

Arrest a 96 year old former Nazi camp guard and denial crew lose their shit.Oh let him go he is an old man bla bla bla.

Yeah but he killed women and kids..nah never happened.
But the Jap that's different.

Post: #437

(05-23-2018 04:46 AM)Green-On-GO Wrote:  Its an insult to every Allied POW put in those camps and Allied POWs who witnessed what the Nazis did.

What do you think of General Patton, the liberator of Europe?

http://foreignpolicy.com/2010/06/25/patt...hypocrite/

Quote:Evidently the virus started by Morgenthau and Baruch of a Semitic revenge against all Germans is still working. … Harrison and his ilk believe that the Displaced Person is a human being, which he is not, and this applies particularly to the Jews, who are lower than animals.

Post: #438

Goddamn I have seen this much of an emotional argument since lefties were defending MS-13 as not animals lol.

Post: #439

(05-23-2018 05:34 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(05-23-2018 04:46 AM)Green-On-GO Wrote:  Its an insult to every Allied POW put in those camps and Allied POWs who witnessed what the Nazis did.

What do you think of General Patton, the liberator of Europe?

http://foreignpolicy.com/2010/06/25/patt...hypocrite/

Quote:Evidently the virus started by Morgenthau and Baruch of a Semitic revenge against all Germans is still working. … Harrison and his ilk believe that the Displaced Person is a human being, which he is not, and this applies particularly to the Jews, who are lower than animals.

This quote without context makes no sense. Care to elaborate?

Post: #440

(05-23-2018 02:01 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(05-23-2018 05:34 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

(05-23-2018 04:46 AM)Green-On-GO Wrote:  Its an insult to every Allied POW put in those camps and Allied POWs who witnessed what the Nazis did.

What do you think of General Patton, the liberator of Europe?

http://foreignpolicy.com/2010/06/25/patt...hypocrite/

Quote:Evidently the virus started by Morgenthau and Baruch of a Semitic revenge against all Germans is still working. … Harrison and his ilk believe that the Displaced Person is a human being, which he is not, and this applies particularly to the Jews, who are lower than animals.

This quote without context makes no sense. Care to elaborate?

I was responding to the quote above:

Quote:Holocaust denial to me is an insult to every Allied soldier who fought the Nazis and liberated camps.

The quote I gave you was General Patton responding to orders by (Baruch and Morgenthau) to forcibly remove civilian germans from their homes to be put into open air camps and to put jews called "displaced persons" in them instead. Millions of germans perished in these open air camps without sanition or in forced labor with the Sovjets (which the allies orchestrated).

Quote:His best estimate is that some three million Germans died unnecessarily after the official end of hostilities.

The poster said it was an insult to every allied soldier, so I bring quotes from the greatest allied soldier General Patton.

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/quest...rong-enemy

Quote:We may have been fighting the wrong enemy (Germany) all along

The full quote above in context:

http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/gen-p...017/12/20/

Quote:In a letter to General Eisenhower discussing a report by Earl G. Harrison, the dean of the University of Pennsylvania School of Law whom President Truman had sent to inspect the camps, the incensed president noted that

[W]e appear to be treating the Jews as the Nazis treated them except that we do not exterminate them. They are in concentration camps in large numbers under our military guard instead of SS troops. One is led to wonder whether the German people, seeing this, are not supposing that we are following or at least condoning Nazi policy.

Patton responded in his September 15, 1945 diary entry:

Evidently the virus started by [FDR’s treasury secretary Henry] Morgenthau and [financier and presidential adviser Bernard] Baruch of a Semitic revenge against all Germans is still working…. Harrison and his ilk believe that the Displaced Person is a human being, which he is not, and this applies particularly to the Jews, who are lower than animals.

Post: #441

Regarding Patton, this is an excellent article about his views:

Quote:The orders from above—Eisenhower wanted him to confiscate the houses of wealthy Germans so Jewish survivors could live in them—embittered Patton. His beloved Third Army was decaying as troops decamped for home, discipline vanished, and meanwhile, “the displaced sons-of-bitches in the various camps are blooming like green trees,” he wrote a friend.

He saw journalists’ criticism of his handling of the Jews and the return of Nazis to high official positions as a result of Jewish and Communist plots. The New York Times and other publications were “trying to do two things,” he wrote, “First, implement Communism, and second, see that all business men of German ancestry and non-Jewish antecedents are thrown out of their jobs.”

Quote:While Eisenhower ordered him to stop “mollycoddling Nazis,” Patton lashed out at journalists and others he viewed as enemies. “The noise against me is only the means by which the Jews and Communists are attempting and with good success to implement a further dismemberment of Germany,” he said.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/...ion-214545

Post: #442

(05-02-2018 07:56 PM)Mr. Ripley Wrote:  During Jewish American Heritage Month, we celebrate the profound contributions that the Jewish faith and its traditions have had on our Nation. Two hundred years ago, in April 1818, Mordecai Noah delivered his famous discourse before the members of America’s first synagogue, Congregation Shearith Israel, upon the consecration of their new house of worship. Reflecting on Jewish history as well as on the unique rights and privileges afforded to American Jews, Noah proclaimed that, “for the first time in eighteen centuries, it may be said that the Jew feels he was born equal, and is entitled to equal protection; he can now breathe freely.”

Trump gets it wrong again. This was not the first synagogue by any means. The oldest surviving one is in Newport, Rhode Island. It was built in 1763. Rhode Island was probably the most tolerant of all the original colonies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touro_Synagogue

Post: #443

(05-02-2018 09:35 PM)Suits Wrote:  

(05-02-2018 07:56 PM)Mr. Ripley Wrote:  Trump declares May Jewish history month.

Suits, I thought you were white. Why are you such a Jewish fanboy?

I know there's a lot of rightly-placed anti-Muslim sentiment around here, but both groups want to displace us equally.

Post: #444

Brother Nathanael's stuff is pretty dope for an ex-Jew.

Post: #445

As a German I have some opinions about this topic but it's sensitive to talk about it.
The complete deny of killing jews is something I don't get. One one side jews are seen as the one that are at the elite and want to rule and destroy, Hitler seen this. Jews are the ones that control most of the media and finance, they want to destroy the nation state. As a final solution Hitler made the step to let them kill for a purge. Also Nazis and other people still say the Jews play an important role by negative influence and then they still they hesitate to say that Hitler and the Nazis took the final step for this solution.

To deport them had failed, neither Madagasgar Plan, nor settlement behind the Ural line nor "good" countries accept the jews in masses. Also it's hypocritical that Germany and the Nazis are blamed for the treatment of the Jews while Hitler for sure took a look on US laws on blacks. Those negative laws against black did just change in the 1960s and 1970s but I get confronted by Americans how much racist Germans are. Most of the jews get killed by shootings and there had be mass shootings for sure. About the gas chambers, when I was in Dachau - not a dead camp - some guide told me they build it up a little more bad for educational shock process. Even showed us some ovens even that Dachau was no dead camp. Also there was a Wehrmacht exhibition some years ago that manipulated a lot of pictures to paint them more bad.

So one side say the Jews are bad, manipulate and so on but as a final consequence that Hitler took, they say, no this never did happen. On the other side a lot paint Hitler and the Nazis as pure evil but then they need to manipulate sources and exaggerate about the crimes of the Nazis. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Hitler and the Nazis had be radical, and a lot of those men and women that commit crimes did it on a naive idealist purpose for the greater good. Purge the world from the jews was dirty and necessary for them for a better tomorrow. On the other hand the Allied forces and other people wanted Germany to be down, they want this till today for multiple reasons. We see so often how countries, groups etc lie for a benefit or to bring some foe down.

For me jews had be social outcast with a lot of negative consequences. That lead to the dead of a lot of them. Had there the extreme gruesome stuff that they want us to believe? I have my doubts.

Post: #446

Deleted quotes about the number of deaths in concentration camps

Post: #447

My grandmother died in a concentration camp before my mother was born, which is why I'm able to be here today to speak to you, writing this post.

Post: #448

^^

Post: #449

Brother Nathaniel is absoluty right - there were books written by supposed Holocoust survivors in the 1950s - and no peep about gas chambers. There was also no mention of 6 million or any number of that sort.

My girl's grandfather who is Polish worked as a forced laborer for the Nazis. He volunteered later to work in Germany, because they got treated better than in the vassal Polish state. One of their crew who volunteered from their city was a Jew - everyone knew that he was Jewish. But true to the word - they got treated better than at the local businesses who abused the workers as well as 19th century robber barons.

It was no picnic working for free for years, but they fed and housed them giving them a bearable work schedule. In the last months of war they just released them and told them to go home - that included their Jewish mates who had been on those crews. He returned on foot from Germany.

My girl also had an uncle who was a Polish freedom fighter. He was captured by the Nazis and transported to Auschwitz spending there a few years. He survived, but he was tortured by them for being a rebel - all fingernails were pulled. In the camp he got used to eating all his food in what the Germans call Eintopf - meat and vegetables put all together as some kind of gulasz. It struck them as odd that he wanted to eat every meal in a specific German way, but he obviously had some PTSD being tortured. And yet they did not shoot him - he also never heard of any gas chambers while being in Ausschwitz.

Her grandfather however saw random acts of violence against Jews in Krakow by the Nazis. Contrary to what many folk think - aside from the bankers and real estate holders, many Jews in EE were rather normal laborers and they comprised the upper as well as the lower classes doing various trades. After the war he reported many returning from the concentration camps or from hiding, selling their properties and moving either further West or to Israel. There was a lot of packing and moving going on in cities with large Jewish populations like Krakow. So even with the naked eye you saw many survivors.

You can still find plenty of Polish folk with families who were even in Ausschwitz - it's easy enough to compile witness statements, but of course there is little interest in doing so.

Post: #450

Posted in wrong thread