Post: #151

I think my story got taken way out of context, the reason I ended up seeking out white friends was because the Asian and Indian friends I was making were toxic people constantly crying about race. There is also no acting "non-Indian", its an ethnicity just like being white or black, if I was born and raised in the US then I am going to act American.

The other key takeaway from my post that everyone missed is how I mentioned that the way a lot of white guys I hung around approached life was entirely different than how most Indian guys I know did. I've known Indian guys that approach life with the same mentality as a lot of Chad and alpha white guys, they have absolutely no problem.

While we complain about pedestalization, the sour grapes towards white women is just as bad.

Not fooling anyone by hyping up Latinas and black women while complaining about how picky white women are. I am all for Indian guys going for whatever or whoever they want regardless race or gender but FFS, chill out with the whole dislike towards white women. I've seen a few minorities play the same game of calling white women basic and plain, still going after the hot ones and then crying racism when she doesn't want anything to do with them. If you genuinely like black and Hispanic women more, that's great but then don't go around talking about how picky white women are because it shouldn't even matter to you.

We're crying racism because white women from old money families are being picky? Give me a break, even white guys themselves struggle with those.

These girls have serious options and as I mentioned on other threads, they care more about looks and physical appearance (how shredded and handsome you are) than women of other races. If you had the choice of constantly banging 9s and 10s, it would take a lot for a 7 to impress you.

I haven't had much issues with white women, find myself getting along and relating with them more than women of minority groups, to each his own I guess. My race rarely comes up much around them compared to me being around a girl that isn't white where it is constantly a discussion.

In the end, do whatever works for you I guess.

I have the irrational confidence approach of finding solutions to an issue rather than thinking too much about it. If I want any particular kind of chick, I adjust my game and approach to get them. I've been spoiled too, think if I was living in San Francisco then I would wake up to the reality of race more.

If you want to take the strategic approach of only targeting certain women because others are pickier about race, go for it but why spend so much time complaining about how picky those women are rather than just talking about how awesome it is to spend time with the kinds of women you like?

Post: #152

There are a couple reasons why non-American women will be more into Indians:

-Most Europeans, Arabs, Latin Americans etc don't see their culture as being perfect and the pinnacle of human civilization. A lot of white Americans look at America's status in the world, "greatest country on the planet", etc and associate that with their own culture. This is why it's a lot easier for an extremely whitewashed Indian guy to bang American white girls than an Indian guy with a stronger connection to his roots, and why I see less assimilated brown people having success in Europe, Lat Am, etc. Other cultures have a lot more humility and open-mindedness. They are also fundamentally family-oriented culutres (like Indians) and are therefore easier for us to vibe with. I felt a stronger connection most Dominicans, Moroccans, and Armenians than I did to the white Americans who lived thirty minutes away from me due to this difference in values.

- We just look more similar to the average person in a lot of these places. Even in Europe, plenty of Italians, Greeks, and Spanish people look fairly similar to lighter-skinned Indians. This is even more true in Latin America where the majority of us would pass for locals.

- A lot of these cultures don't place as much emphasis on being a loud hedonistic dickhead. American women love shit like this but it's not as accepted in Europe, for example. Fewer Indians have this kind of personality so the cultural difference works in our favor.

I agree that Indian dudes shouldn't get hung up on basic beckys. Thing is we're programmed to like them (you've watched porn your whole life, 99% of all pornstars are blondes, after jerking it to them 9801232198 times you're going to find them attractive). On top of that, in many areas the only attractive women are white. This can be due to a lack of diversity or severe poverty in the local minority community. On top of that, many of us end up in successful upper-middle class environments that, again, are majority white with a sprinkling of ethnic immigrants. So we're basically stuck trying to pursue a group of women who will occasionally be open to us, but don't have values or a culture that really meshes well with ours. Success is certainly possible, it's just less easily attainable and requires a more torturous path to achieve.

^Also, beer...agreed that no one needs to be unnecessarily negative towards white women. I've definitely met cool white women, I'm related to a couple as well. Just that there is some conditioning surrounding the dynamic between Indian dudes and white women (in liberal areas in particular, which I guess I should have specified). The weird vibe and feelings of antagonism don't exist with more down-to-earth white girls from Middle America or the South -- as you can see many guys on this thread have had great success with such women.

Post: #153

@Bastard Sword - that analysis was on point. I've seen the same

Anyways, I'm part of the camp that believes that any Brown man in the US MUST learn how to game white women - whether or not they are bitchy.

Why?

Let's take the USA for example. Yeah, there are large cities (NYC/LA/Miami/etc) with large minority populations and foreigners. But outside of the large cities, the rest of America is incredibly white. Look at any rural area or small-mid-mildly large sized cities in the US and the majority of the people are white. What is someone living in those areas going to do?

Before moving to NYC, I spent almost my entire life in suburban America where 98% of the population was white. Bitchy, basic, or just plain entitled white girls. I hated them, but the reality is that we are men and we need to bust a nut every once in a while and we need to deal with and learn how to game what we have around us - and sometimes that could be just the stock, basic white girl

Heck, there are many times that I just want to fuck a basic, entitled American girl even in a big city. Why? Because I'm horny at the club. I'll take the shit just to bust my nut. I've found that the sluttiest of girls are these kind anyway. Learning how to game them is important so I have all the options I can get when I'm out

Asking how to game white girls is not preferencing them over any others - they're not any better than Latinas or Euros - but sometimes it is a necessity, which was my case for many, many years and would have been a great tool to have when I was living outside of big cities

Post: #154

Glad we agree on something Crash but there is one big benefit of getting good with white girls that I have mentioned before is that it gives you a serious boost with girls of other races. I've attracted a lot of curiosity from non-white girls because I was out with a girl who was white. One of my Asian friends has banged whitewashed self-hating Asian girls due to getting good with white girls, these are the same Asian girls that swear off Asian guys.

If girls of other races see you with a white girl, they get curious and cannot help but trying to get to know what is going on. On one hand they hate it but on the other, they want a piece just out of some sense of competition.

The Asian and Indian guys I've known who have done well with white girls have had a lot of doors opened to them with hot girls of other races because of it. It is like as soon as women of other races assimilate into American society, they're looking at what white girls are going for and trying to copy yet compete with them.

Post: #155

(05-18-2018 01:22 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  Glad we agree on something Crash but there is one big benefit of getting good with white girls that I have mentioned before is that it gives you a serious boost with girls of other races. I've attracted a lot of curiosity from non-white girls because I was out with a girl who was white. One of my Asian friends has banged whitewashed self-hating Asian girls due to getting good with white girls, these are the same Asian girls that swear off Asian guys.

If girls of other races see you with a white girl, they get curious and cannot help but trying to get to know what is going on. On one hand they hate it but on the other, they want a piece just out of some sense of competition.

The Asian and Indian guys I've known who have done well with white girls have had a lot of doors opened to them with hot girls of other races because of it. It is like as soon as women of other races assimilate into American society, they're looking at what white girls are going for and trying to copy yet compete with them.

Yeah man, I agree with you. That's another reason why it's important to learn how to game white American women, no matter how much Indian guys try to deny it

Post: #156

(05-18-2018 01:22 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  Glad we agree on something Crash but there is one big benefit of getting good with white girls that I have mentioned before is that it gives you a serious boost with girls of other races. I've attracted a lot of curiosity from non-white girls because I was out with a girl who was white. One of my Asian friends has banged whitewashed self-hating Asian girls due to getting good with white girls, these are the same Asian girls that swear off Asian guys.

If girls of other races see you with a white girl, they get curious and cannot help but trying to get to know what is going on. On one hand they hate it but on the other, they want a piece just out of some sense of competition.

The Asian and Indian guys I've known who have done well with white girls have had a lot of doors opened to them with hot girls of other races because of it. It is like as soon as women of other races assimilate into American society, they're looking at what white girls are going for and trying to copy yet compete with them.

That's 100% true many ethnic/minority girls that are whitewashed kind of worship white society and look up to them. If an ethnic girl sees you with a hot white girl that's probably one of the best things that can boost your SMV to an ethnic girl. I think it would be good to have a hot white girl as a "wing girl" that you could use to easily get with many asian girls.

Post: #157

When it comes to necessity of learning how to game white girls, it depends. It also depends on who you are as a person and what your interests are.

I'm an Indian guy who grew up in a heavily immigrant area (Indians, Chinese, Persians, some Russians/Israelis). My best friends were Indian and my entire social circle was mostly comprised of immigrants. This was my reality for the first eighteen years of my life. It shaped my entire outlook and personality, not to mention my sense of humor. I also retained a strong interest in my culture and relied heavily on the values it gave me (having quality relationships with a number of people, having a community to fall back on). This meant that the people I connected with came from a similar background or at least had a similar outlook on life.

Simply put, most white girls did not have that outlook. I could probably write a book about the reasons for this. My problem off the bat wasn't even gaming them. I did fine with white girls initially when I first landed in a predominantly white university. My issue was the fact that I actually didn't like THEM. I couldn't relate to most of them, didn't like many of them as people. The few that I initially hooked up with just didn't do it for me. I found, however, that I really liked and did well with the ethnic women I was around -- not only did they actively pursue me, but I could relate to them on a deeper level. (These were black, Chinese, Indian, mixed-race, Arab, and even Jewish girls). I even felt this way towards the few white women I ran into from the South or from a more humble/rural background.

I think this is actually what trips up a lot of Indian guys and ethnic immigrant guys in general. The way we were raised just doesn't culturally gel with white women from liberal areas. It's not like they don't want to fuck us, it's just that our fundamental values are completely different. I will write more on this later. It's also why Indian guys in Texas, Illinois, and other more rural/conservative states do fine with white women and rarely have problems with them -- because the values that defined the first eighteen years of their lives were not fundamentally that different from ours.

This is why I actually don't think it's important to learn how to game white women, especially in places like SF and LA. If you're an Indian dude from an immigrant suburb like me, you'll have to distort your personality and fake shit to such an extent that it won't even be worth the effort. If you're naturally very whitewashed and comfortable around WASP women, that's another thing, but going out of your way to try and bang a certain group of women by contorting who you are as a person...just doesn't really make sense to me. Trying to bang the popular, cheerleader esque white girls is just kind of a dumb goal to aspire for IMO, there are thousands of other women who will treat you dramatically better and actually accept you for who you are. You shouldn't have to shuck and jive just to get laid.

On top of that, why is anyone trying to bang self-hating ethnic women who are mimicking white women in an attempt to seem cool? The goal of game shouldn't just be to bang women regardless of how bad their personalities are or how idiotic their worldview is. It should be to find women who will actually make your life better and make you a better human being. That notch you get from a white-washed Asian girl who sees white people as being superior and bangs you because you're with a white girl will do neither of those things.

Post: #158

(05-18-2018 02:04 PM)Bastard Sword Wrote:  On top of that, why is anyone trying to bang self-hating ethnic women who are mimicking white women in an attempt to seem cool? The goal of game shouldn't just be to bang women regardless of how bad their personalities are or how idiotic their worldview is. It should be to find women who will actually make your life better and make you a better human being. That notch you get from a white-washed Asian girl who sees white people as being superior and bangs you because you're with a white girl will do neither of those things.

There is a difference between a bang a relationship. If a self hating ethnic girl is hot and she pursues you because she sees white girls doing the same then you should fuck her, there is no reason not to. If I'm just looking for a bang I don't care if an ethnic girl is self hating or anything moral related as long as she is good looking I'm not interested in her political views in the slightest. You don't really need to look at this situation with some kind of what is right lens.

Post: #159

If you want to make your life better and be a "better human being", just get into an LTR and quit the whole sleeping around lifestyle because it is not seen as moral by society. Even I have this weird relationship with the game to where I occasionally look back and wonder what would have happened if I would not have broken up with my only LTR. In many ways, being in an LTR offered me the happiness and security that going out there and chasing women cannot offer me.

I was late to the party, not getting any play in high school and only getting a bit of it in college but I just think if I had got some play early I would have put a ring on her.

The game in general is pretty fucking fake, girls who chase the ONS are usually shallow and most top tier women tend to get locked down quick. I start to wonder some days if I will make it to my 30s a bachelor and even if I did, how it would feel like being one of the very few around my age who is that way.

Kind of on my soapbox here but if I was looking for morals and feeling better about myself, I would've stuck with the only girlfriend I have ever had. At the same time, I feel like I have to get a certain place with my notch count and truly feel fed up with the game to allow myself to get to that place. Its no wonder so many men who do peak early settle down before their 30s.

Post: #160

^I agree that you need to reach a certain point in the game before you realize it can be pretty shallow and illusory. At that point, your definition of game changes (as does what you want out of women). For me personally, I realized that an LTR would give me everything I wanted out of game without any serious negatives. I personally think having a good LTR is better than sleeping around, but you also have to sleep around enough to realize that it frequently is more trouble than it's worth. These are just stages in a person's development.

IMO it usually comes after around three to four years in the game and around 20-30 notches. This is when most people truly scratch the itch of having a strong notch count and sleeping around. Whether they remain players or not depends on the person, but in my own personal experience, it led to me trying to find something more lasting.

I definitely do feel like the game can be incredibly fake. I will always respect it for what it taught me about myself and about life, but I still strongly feel like notch count in particular is an insecurity to get over and nothing more. Personally my girlfriend and lifestyle give me vastly more fulfillment than banging another 30 girls would. After a certain point it really does just become about quality, which in many cases leads to an LTR.

Post: #161

(05-19-2018 12:35 AM)Bastard Sword Wrote:  ^I agree that you need to reach a certain point in the game before you realize it can be pretty shallow and illusory. At that point, your definition of game changes (as does what you want out of women). For me personally, I realized that an LTR would give me everything I wanted out of game without any serious negatives. I personally think having a good LTR is better than sleeping around, but you also have to sleep around enough to realize that it frequently is more trouble than it's worth. These are just stages in a person's development.

IMO it usually comes after around three to four years in the game and around 20-30 notches. This is when most people truly scratch the itch of having a strong notch count and sleeping around. Whether they remain players or not depends on the person, but in my own personal experience, it led to me trying to find something more lasting.

I definitely do feel like the game can be incredibly fake. I will always respect it for what it taught me about myself and about life, but I still strongly feel like notch count in particular is an insecurity to get over and nothing more. Personally my girlfriend and lifestyle give me vastly more fulfillment than banging another 30 girls would. After a certain point it really does just become about quality, which in many cases leads to an LTR.

Many men, including myself, are just looking for bangs. I get that an LTR can be good - but I don't want that now

Point is that, whether or not the game with American white women is fake/basic, if we want the bangs, we have to learn the bang game. That applies to any other demographic

Rather than debate on if we should or shouldn't be gaming American women, maybe we can all focus on effective strategies/game that have worked from experiences? I saw a few posts here that were golden, such as social circle game that worked. It could even be on any other type of demographic (latina, black, Euro, etc.), if that's your thing

Post: #162

We're acting as if only white women can be fake and basic but from my experience, I've seen it way more with ethnic women (especially Middle Eastern, Indian and Asian women). With white girls it never openly turns into race but I have seen ethnic girls openly say racist shit when an ethnic guy approaches them and they are not interested.

Speaking of this, have you guys noticed that when you approach a set that has an Asian or brown girl in it, you're more likely to get cockblocked?

Hung out with my Asian friend last night, dude gets some serious pussy and he approached this one hot blonde who was with her chubby Asian friend. It was funny because as soon as he did, the Asian girl tried to immediately cockblock him by putting her arm in front of the blonde who gently pushed her arm away because she wanted to hear what my friend was saying. He tried going for the number close but said he got the she has a boyfriend line.

I've had this experience myself but here is what is strange, the few times it has been a latina she genuinely tries to help me out to close her white friend but if it is an Asian, Indian or Middle Eastern girl she always tries to cockblock me.

Post: #163

When it comes to just getting bangs for Indian guys, I feel like generic advice outweighs anything specifically race-related.

-Be in a good location (ideally a huge college or a hip area of NYC/Austin/Chicago -- avoid the sausagefest of SF).
-Have a killer online profile (don't get discouraged by IRT's and other online trolls telling you that online is a bad bet for Indians/minorities -- a good profile is a good profile regardless of anything)
-Do daygame
-Make sure you're taking your fitness very, very seriously. All of the bad stereotypes around Indian guys center around us being ugly, scrawny computer FOB's. An Indian guy with even decent fitness completely contradicts all of those stereotypes. Get a personal trainer to get your diet and lifting form on lock.
-If you're in college, join a more diverse and multicultural fraternity -- you'll likely fit in well with them and many of these actually do have a good rep/a pool of women who are into them (despite not being as prestigious as the top frats).

Post: #164

I am still not getting this whole ugly scrawny Indian guy stereotypes, rarely see it come up, really only hear it from discouraged Indians or self-hating Indian women. That being said....

So I've gotten a few PMs asking about how to game white girls and then seeing the direction this thread has taken too. I'll give one and probably the only piece of advice you should need when dealing the basic bitch types:

Do not, under any circumstances, take them seriously or be serious around them.

I mean every word of that, these girls do not know what "struggle" is, they live in an alternate reality. These girls go for the carefree doofus guys who are not afraid to be loud at a bar and make themselves look like idiots because it is funny. Most of these girls, as cool as I might be with a lot of them, do not live life for a purpose or a struggle barring some exceptions. For these women, life is just one high after another, one exciting moment after another and that is that.

That is why I feel like some Indian may struggle with them, because a lot who immigrate here are just trying to chase one achievement after another. Even talking to Indian guys, there is this ambitious but serious kind of vibe while that basic bitch is paying attention to the guy that farted loudly in the room but owned up to it.

I mean what I say, do not take these women seriously.

Look at us pulling up all these studies and analyzing this shit, no kind of women is really worth that much thought.

In all of my years of being around basic white girls, they don't take life seriously, it is a big joke to them.

Do some fucked up shit? No worries, parents will bail them out.

That is the one lesson I learned being around frat guys, they tease the fuck out of these women and hit them with hard sarcasm. These girls do not want to hear of serious educated stuff or any of that, they want to chase one high after another, try to be indifferent towards them and take your emotion out of every encounter..

Talk to them like you would talk to an annoying kid, try it, you'll find I am right.

Post: #165

(05-19-2018 03:07 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  We're acting as if only white women can be fake and basic but from my experience, I've seen it way more with ethnic women (especially Middle Eastern, Indian and Asian women). With white girls it never openly turns into race but I have seen ethnic girls openly say racist shit when an ethnic guy approaches them and they are not interested.

Speaking of this, have you guys noticed that when you approach a set that has an Asian or brown girl in it, you're more likely to get cockblocked?

Hung out with my Asian friend last night, dude gets some serious pussy and he approached this one hot blonde who was with her chubby Asian friend. It was funny because as soon as he did, the Asian girl tried to immediately cockblock him by putting her arm in front of the blonde who gently pushed her arm away because she wanted to hear what my friend was saying. He tried going for the number close but said he got the she has a boyfriend line.

I've had this experience myself but here is what is strange, the few times it has been a latina she genuinely tries to help me out to close her white friend but if it is an Asian, Indian or Middle Eastern girl she always tries to cockblock me.

This happens to me all the time. Heck, there are many times where I enter a social group just to make friends with others and the Indian girl automatically becomes bitchy towards me, automatically denouncing anything I say and my presence

Even on a one-on-one basis, when I'm just talking to an Indian girl, with no intention of gaming her, I still get the automatic bitchy attitude back to me. Of course, the bitchiness amplifies if I'm in gaming mode.

This happens to me at least here in the East Coast USA

It's encoded in a woman's DNA to assimilate as best as she can to social circles. My theory is that Indian women are constantly trying to prove how American they are and view men of their own kind also as barbarians. They also tend to be bitchy towards Indian men because they assume that a lot of Indian guys are creepers and way too aggressive for them.

Post: #166

Man Crash, it seems like the northeast and Bay Area are where we get a lot of the nastier Indian stereotypes coming up and it is Indians and other brown people (Pakis, Arabs, etc.) kind of pushing them on. The women seem to be big into it too, I know a lot of Asian guys have to face this shit to where their own women are spreading nasty stereotypes about them.

Kind of lucked out in my time in NYC, surprisingly there were not a lot of brown or even Asian girls in the social circles I ran in. My friends typically consisted of whites from outside of NYC and even the northeast area so that would have played a role. Did run into Asian and Indian women out with their white friends who would give me a stink-eye when they saw me with a girl.

I know I've come off as kind of the naive one on this thread being somewhat oblivious to some of the disdain towards Indian men but I am thinking it is because I lucked out. Could easily see some Indian guy who has to be around a "diverse" group full of self-hating Asian and Brown girls being a bit let down.

Rather than talking about how awful white women are or how bad life can be as a minority, do you guys have any go to strategies for dealing with cockblocking ethnic women?

My Asian friend could have definitely used this advice a few nights back. At times I have lucked out and the girl was hooked enough to shoo her cockblocking friend away but it does take a strong frame to deal with some of these types. I've occasionally seen some hot white girls with Asian and Indian friends so any strategies to potentially combat the cockblocking would be great.

Post: #167

(05-20-2018 04:55 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  Man Crash, it seems like the northeast and Bay Area are where we get a lot of the nastier Indian stereotypes coming up and it is Indians and other brown people (Pakis, Arabs, etc.) kind of pushing them on. The women seem to be big into it too, I know a lot of Asian guys have to face this shit to where their own women are spreading nasty stereotypes about them.

Kind of lucked out in my time in NYC, surprisingly there were not a lot of brown or even Asian girls in the social circles I ran in. My friends typically consisted of whites from outside of NYC and even the northeast area so that would have played a role. Did run into Asian and Indian women out with their white friends who would give me a stink-eye when they saw me with a girl.

I know I've come off as kind of the naive one on this thread being somewhat oblivious to some of the disdain towards Indian men but I am thinking it is because I lucked out. Could easily see some Indian guy who has to be around a "diverse" group full of self-hating Asian and Brown girls being a bit let down.

Rather than talking about how awful white women are or how bad life can be as a minority, do you guys have any go to strategies for dealing with cockblocking ethnic women?

My Asian friend could have definitely used this advice a few nights back. At times I have lucked out and the girl was hooked enough to shoo her cockblocking friend away but it does take a strong frame to deal with some of these types. I've occasionally seen some hot white girls with Asian and Indian friends so any strategies to potentially combat the cockblocking would be great.

One thing I do is, when I'm in a social circle setting, I usually just ignore the Indian women at first and talk to the whites. Once the Indian woman sees that I'm just a normal guy, Americanized, and cool with the American crew, the Indian woman will open up to me.

Indian women try so hard to blend in with Americans that if you were to start off a conversation with them, and even if you proved to be a cool, social guy, they will ward you off in fear of seeming too "Indian" around others. It sounds crazy, I know, but my thoughts.

Post: #168

That is the approach I would typically take and IMO, it is a bad idea to game Indian women when she is the only Indian girl in the crowd. If you want to game Indian women so bad, go to an Indian heavy crowd, that should be common sense.

The cockblocking I have received at times has been more active cockblocking and for some strange reason, I also get it from white-washed Asian girls. Had an encounter like a year ago when I approached this cute blonde and her Asian friend physically dragged her away, it is that sort of cockblocking I tend to get. In a social circle it would be easy to deal with but I have occasionally struggled with it in cold approach situations.

Going to sound racist here but these days I try not to approach girls who have Asian or brown friends around them, it is like a guaranteed cockblock but I am starting to feel like I am passing up some good opportunities every now and then. I've had far more luck and better experiences approaching a group of white girls rather than a mixed race group, whenever it has an Asian or Indian girl in it I've been cockblocked but if there were some good tactics you guys use to deal with aggressive cockblocking then a cold approach newbie like me is all ears.

Post: #169

(05-20-2018 05:13 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  That is the approach I would typically take and IMO, it is a bad idea to game Indian women when she is the only Indian girl in the crowd. If you want to game Indian women so bad, go to an Indian heavy crowd, that should be common sense.

The cockblocking I have received at times has been more active cockblocking and for some strange reason, I also get it from white-washed Asian girls. Had an encounter like a year ago when I approached this cute blonde and her Asian friend physically dragged her away, it is that sort of cockblocking I tend to get. In a social circle it would be easy to deal with but I have occasionally struggled with it in cold approach situations.

Going to sound racist here but these days I try not to approach girls who have Asian or brown friends around them, it is like a guaranteed cockblock but I am starting to feel like I am passing up some good opportunities every now and then. I've had far more luck and better experiences approaching a group of white girls rather than a mixed race group, whenever it has an Asian or Indian girl in it I've been cockblocked but if there were some good tactics you guys use to deal with aggressive cockblocking then a cold approach newbie like me is all ears.

It's funny I'm black and the only time I've got some racist reactions from asian/indian girls is when they're not around white girls.

If I were to ever approach a white girl that had whitewashed indians/asian girls around her they would never cockblock me because they would be afraid of coming off as racist/not progressive enough in front of the white girl. A lot of white girls these days want to seem progressive, along with the media and shows like keeping up with the kardashians making it cool to be with a black guy a lot of white girls will go with black guys to virtue signal, seem progressive and cool all at the same time. White washed ethnic girls will notice the trends of white girls and almost mimic them but like x10, so even if an asian/indian girl doesn't like black people she will never say or do anything negative to a black person around a white girl. A white washed ethnic girl will even say she prefers black guys just to virtue signal, seem progressive and cool just like a white girl.

Just something I noticed about the race dynamics of whitewashed people and how they will react differently to you based on who they're around.

Post: #170

Damn... I just read through this whole thread and my initial thoughts were: "Indian guy game" that's hysterical. What could that possibly be? I'm white. I don't have "white guy game," nor do I think I could start a thread with that title without being crucified.

But, after reading it through, I guess I just don't have a lot of Indian guy friends, because it seems like there is something there that I've just never been exposed to. If enough Indian bros are complaining about it, there's something--not sure what it is, but some guy, somewhere, is having a problem.

Is it perhaps your social circle? I see that you're hanging around mostly whites and that's causing an issue, but not so much from the whites, really, but more from the other Indians in the social circle who don't want to accept you until you've been accepted by whites?

Did I read this wrong? I'm pretty sure I did read it wrong because I read it quickly--I've other obligations that I must attend to--just wanted to understand if I was correct in my reading. Black guys offer insights about dealing with Indian girls and they don't feel persecuted by them, yet Indian guys do....

I'm pretty sure I'm not understanding the sentiment.

Post: #171

(05-20-2018 05:45 PM)pargan Wrote:  

(05-20-2018 05:13 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  That is the approach I would typically take and IMO, it is a bad idea to game Indian women when she is the only Indian girl in the crowd. If you want to game Indian women so bad, go to an Indian heavy crowd, that should be common sense.

The cockblocking I have received at times has been more active cockblocking and for some strange reason, I also get it from white-washed Asian girls. Had an encounter like a year ago when I approached this cute blonde and her Asian friend physically dragged her away, it is that sort of cockblocking I tend to get. In a social circle it would be easy to deal with but I have occasionally struggled with it in cold approach situations.

Going to sound racist here but these days I try not to approach girls who have Asian or brown friends around them, it is like a guaranteed cockblock but I am starting to feel like I am passing up some good opportunities every now and then. I've had far more luck and better experiences approaching a group of white girls rather than a mixed race group, whenever it has an Asian or Indian girl in it I've been cockblocked but if there were some good tactics you guys use to deal with aggressive cockblocking then a cold approach newbie like me is all ears.

It's funny I'm black and the only time I've got some racist reactions from asian/indian girls is when they're not around white girls.

If I were to ever approach a white girl that had whitewashed indians/asian girls around her they would never cockblock me because they would be afraid of coming off as racist/not progressive enough in front of the white girl. A lot of white girls these days want to seem progressive, along with the media and shows like keeping up with the kardashians making it cool to be with a black guy a lot of white girls will go with black guys to virtue signal, seem progressive and cool all at the same time. White washed ethnic girls will notice the trends of white girls and almost mimic them but like x10, so even if an asian/indian girl doesn't like black people she will never say or do anything negative to a black person around a white girl. A white washed ethnic girl will even say she prefers black guys just to virtue signal, seem progressive and cool just like a white girl.

Just something I noticed about the race dynamics of whitewashed people and how they will react differently to you based on who they're around.

Pargan = that analysis was ON POINT.

The difference between an Indian guy and you (a black guy) around liberal white girls is that liberal white girls want to show how progressive and accepting they are, so being open to you is key. The minority girls want to be around the cool black guys because they bring social value. Yeah, they may not be attracted to black guys, but they'll want to show that they're not racist

Racism in America is generally framed as white vs black, so the same liberal white American girl wouldn't give a shit about the Indian/Asian guy - there's nothing "progressive" about talking to the Indian guy and there's no white guilt involved either

Dulce - Hanging around whites, ultimately, shows that an Indian guy is Americanized - which leads him out of the general beta nerdy stereotype. Yeah there's some racism going on within the social group (i.e. asian/Indian girls hating on Indian guy), but that's overcome by acting more whitewashed/American. A lot of minority girls want to show that they're more American because they will blend in more (at least that's their thought process) and have high social status/value then...think that answered your question?

A Beer is Enough - Reason for that is probably because the minority girls just associate Indian/Asian/colored men as creeps and awkward dudes. They probably grew up around a bunch of awkward and creepy minority guys (with no game) and assume that. How to solve this on a solo cold approach? I have no idea haha

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In Toronto, the Indian guys I see doing best in bars/clubs are dark skinned and "fraud" as black guys. Hat, chain etc.    

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Speaking of the Kardashians, I have heard from a couple of my Middle Eastern friends (don't have too many though) that they actually get hit hard with self-hating women of their own race these days too. One of my Persian friends from So Cal told me it is rare to see westernized Persian girls going for Persian or any sort of Middle Eastern guys and a lot prefer to go interracial, same stuff we see with westernized Asian girls. Black guys with Middle Eastern girls is legit becoming a thing in So Cal although white guys are top preference.

The things I've heard about California from my Asian and ethnic friends in general makes me consider never moving to that state.

Now onto whitewashed brown and Asian girls......

It is not as bad as I might have made it seem earlier in the thread.

As I mentioned earlier, my experiences with white washed Asian and Indian women have been so lopsided depending on the context.

Once they see me with a white girl or have seen me with white friends, the IOIs go right through the roof and there is definitely some touching involved. On more than a few occasions they actually feel entitled to my attention and will bring up race to get it. A common one I hear is how I only go for white girls and don't like the color of my own skin.

It is only in the solo cold approaches that I encounter some issues and my Asian friend has faced the same problem but we only face this issue at bars, clubs and when running night-game. It is often the whitewashed Asian and Indian women who are heavily involved in the party scene and trying to take fancy pics to put on social media who resort to cockblocking hard. On a few occasions I can count on one hand, I've seen a sexy girl in a set and not really approached because it had an Asian or Indian girl in it.

The only takeaway I have from my experiences is that as much as we have shit on white women in this thread, I've had it the worst with whitewashed Asian and Indian women than any demographic, seduction or not.

Even when I approach a set that is all white girls, I rarely get cockblocked especially if all the girls are at least above average looking.

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(05-19-2018 02:09 PM)Crash_Bandicoot Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 12:35 AM)Bastard Sword Wrote:  ^I agree that you need to reach a certain point in the game before you realize it can be pretty shallow and illusory. At that point, your definition of game changes (as does what you want out of women). For me personally, I realized that an LTR would give me everything I wanted out of game without any serious negatives. I personally think having a good LTR is better than sleeping around, but you also have to sleep around enough to realize that it frequently is more trouble than it's worth. These are just stages in a person's development.

IMO it usually comes after around three to four years in the game and around 20-30 notches. This is when most people truly scratch the itch of having a strong notch count and sleeping around. Whether they remain players or not depends on the person, but in my own personal experience, it led to me trying to find something more lasting.

I definitely do feel like the game can be incredibly fake. I will always respect it for what it taught me about myself and about life, but I still strongly feel like notch count in particular is an insecurity to get over and nothing more. Personally my girlfriend and lifestyle give me vastly more fulfillment than banging another 30 girls would. After a certain point it really does just become about quality, which in many cases leads to an LTR.

Many men, including myself, are just looking for bangs. I get that an LTR can be good - but I don't want that now

Point is that, whether or not the game with American white women is fake/basic, if we want the bangs, we have to learn the bang game. That applies to any other demographic

Rather than debate on if we should or shouldn't be gaming American women, maybe we can all focus on effective strategies/game that have worked from experiences? I saw a few posts here that were golden, such as social circle game that worked. It could even be on any other type of demographic (latina, black, Euro, etc.), if that's your thing

Point I'm making is that you shouldn't have to "convince" a girl that you aren't inferior to her or that you're worthy of her attention. You shouldn't have to plot and scheme different ways to circumvent her extreme self hate and racism. This especially goes for overly whitewashed Indian or Asian girls. At the end of the day there really are no tips and tricks, there's just self-improvement and self-respect. If she's cockblocking you because she sees men of her own race as being inferior, that's her problem, not yours. Spending time trying to "get around" this is a waste of energy, especially if you're trying to discuss how to make it happen in a nightclub. Don't degrade yourself just to get laid. You have nothing to prove being Indian, if someone looks down on you for that, they can go fuck themselves plain and simple.

Also, fuck girls who are only going to go for you out of a sense of "white guilt". Is that seriously why you'd want a girl to bang you? Because of guilt over what her ancestors did? Bang a girl because she's actually attracted to you as a man, not because she's a libtard who wants to virtue signal. Guys in the manosphere can't complain about the quality of women in the west when they surround themselves with the worst ones possible.

If you really want to "get around it", get better at online and daygame -- it's impossible to get cockblocked on those. You'll also probably have better results and a better overall experience.

Also, are both of you on the East Coast? I think that's really where this epidemic of self-hating ethnic girls comes from. On the West Coast this barely happens. I've seen very few Indian girls especially with a specific preference for white or black guys, and those who do go interracial have probably also been with Indians at some point. This is especially true for Persians and Arabs, who are probably some of the most endogenous communities out there. Persian Jews don't date out at all in my experience, Muslim Persians probably do so at a slightly higher level but even then nothing significant.

This whole thing about white guys swooping and stealing all ethnic women is generally pretty untrue IMO. I mean yeah it happens, there are times I see a troll looking white dude with an extremely hot ethnic girl, but those are in the tiny minority.

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(05-18-2018 11:44 AM)a beer is enough Wrote:  Not fooling anyone by hyping up Latinas and black women while complaining about how picky white women are.

Say what? You do realize you're in a travel thread on a travel forum, right? This is exactly the type of info that belongs here. We've gotten up to 7 pages in this thread and the bulk of the discussion has revolved around gaming white women in the US. This is a prime example of the pedestalization of these women I mentioned earlier.

(05-18-2018 11:44 AM)a beer is enough Wrote:  chill out with the whole dislike towards white women.

This is a misreading of much of what has been said here. Bastard Sword has already offered an excellent analysis of why many Indians might not automatically vibe with these women (and his post was liked by many, indicating agreement). SLSlayer has noted that in his travels to Europe he noticed minority guys getting with girls they most likely wouldn't get here in the West. This has also been noted repeatedly in the Black and Asian guy travel threads, I've experienced it and observed it and so have many other minority guys I've spoken with over the years.

None of this amounts to a bigotry/dislike towards Anglo white women (EE/Nordic women are a different breed) - it's just the lived experience of many that's being shared here. And as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I've hooked up with my share of these types from all over during my time in NYC. If I harbored a dislike towards them, why would I have even bothered.

FWIW, there are other demographics of women that can be hard to crack. Argentinian women come to mind. So do Ukrainian women. Don't believe me? Browse the forum and see for yourself. Heck, go take a trip there and report back. They're still hot as fuck, and anyone claiming "I've noticed they tend to go for such-and-such type of guys, usually" or "I didn't get much play from them" isn't necessarily bitching or complaining. That's *your* (mis)interpretation. Personally I'd rather have this info so I can adjust expectations accordingly before traveling, instead of no information at all.

It's great that you're happy with the selection available to you, but recognize that you have some things goin for you (top-percentile height, solid social circle) that many others don't. Not knockin' you or trying to discredit your successes by any means, so please don't take it that way. And neither am I implying these are absolutely essential. What I'm saying is that they have contributed to your track record and might be skewing your perception a bit of what it takes.

All that said, I think the rest of your posts are on point and have solid information, so keep it comin'.

Would love to hear more from others that have traveled through SEA/LatAm/EE/Scandinavia etc. I've shared my impressions in the Colombia Master thread.