Post: #26

I've noticed that more and more, the main theme is that girls now need to be overwhelmed with stimulation.

I used to for example solo nightlife, pick a few targets, engage in a conversation and manage to attract a few. But now a lot of the same conversations and methods fall flat. I don't know if it's because I'm older but I think with girls now they need to be overstimulated.

For example, be very high energy, overwhelm them with height/stature, be with a fun group, have bottles/tables, have an edgy look, etc...

They're not going out with a goal to meet THE interesting guy anymore.

Not are they looking for connections as much as before.

There are definitely adjustments to be made in nightlife for me compared to what used to work.

I'm not sure I will want to, I might just take the lower percentage results because the adjustments don't really appeal to me.

Post: #27

As a guy who's been doing night game in Canada for 10-15 years, I've noticed girls today are far less likely to give a guy whose looks they don't like a window of opportunity to game them.

It used to be that a guy's average in looks would get a window of opportunity to win her over with smooth talking. A lot of old PUA material emphasized verbal game (negs, DHV stories, routines etc.)

This is no longer true. A guy's looks and style have to be on point to even get the audition. Women are mimicking their behaviour on Tinder in real life. If you don't pass her looks bar, she won't engage you - it's an instant no/swipe left.

Post: #28

(05-17-2018 05:48 PM)Beirut Wrote:  I've noticed that more and more, the main theme is that girls now need to be overwhelmed with stimulation.

I used to for example solo nightlife, pick a few targets, engage in a conversation and manage to attract a few. But now a lot of the same conversations and methods fall flat. I don't know if it's because I'm older but I think with girls now they need to be overstimulated.

For example, be very high energy, overwhelm them with height/stature, be with a fun group, have bottles/tables, have an edgy look, etc...

They're not going out with a goal to meet THE interesting guy anymore.

Not are they looking for connections as much as before.

There are definitely adjustments to be made in nightlife for me compared to what used to work.

I'm not sure I will want to, I might just take the lower percentage results because the adjustments don't really appeal to me.

Girls used to go out at night to potentially meet guys. The vast majority don't do that anymore. These days it's more about just going out to take pictures, hang out with their girlfriends/cool guys in their social circle, and potentially meet up with guys they've already been talking to on dating/hookup apps. There's not much wiggle room in there for a random guy to waltz in and sweep her off her feet. It's just not something they are looking for. It can certainly be done, don't get me wrong - but the difficulty has increased significantly in the past 5 years or so.

Any girl who's at least moderately attractive simply doesn't have to put in the effort. Any effort, really. She will have more attention than she can handle on dating apps and a steady supply through her existing social circles. A random approach these days is more likely to make her think you're incredibly thirsty than bold. In her mind, high value men don't have to put in the effort to approach - they can easily slay online and through social circle with minimal effort. She projects her experience onto you and judges you harshly for it.

We're at the point now where you pretty much need to be significantly above average in almost every area - looks, height, build, charisma, game - to have any consistent success cold approaching attractive young women in the West. Your window of opportunity is simply too small these days. You have to overwhelm them with your presence to break through the state of total attention overload that bombards them 24/7 through their phone and renders them unable to concentrate on what's in front of them. If you can't make an extremely strong impression on her through some combination of your look, vibe and game, she simply will not feel sufficiently compelled to buy what you're selling. You might get her contact info, but that has never meant less than it does today. Absent that strong initial emotional hook, even a phone number is 90% likely to lead nowhere.

It's really impossible to overstate how much damage smartphones and dating apps have done to the sexual marketplace. Women have essentially unlimited, unrestricted and totally unaccountable access to casual sex on demand. They literally don't even need to leave the house to get it. And no one ever has to know how much they've been whoring around. They can get sex as easily as a man can order a pizza. They aren't waiting around for a random man to approach them. They're already texting eight different guys who want to fuck them. Your approach is likely flattery at best, or more often an awkward inconvenience to be endured until they can get back to texting and taking pictures of themselves to post on Instagram.

Social media microfame and social circle are the winning plays for game these days. Women are drowning in a sea of attention and you need to leverage status and pre-selection to set yourself apart from the pack. The reality is that young women are overstimulated and essentially suffering from analysis paralysis. Random approaches demand an immediate buying response, which makes them very uncomfortable after having grown accustomed to entertaining various options at their leisure. Cold approach has therefore fallen off drastically the past few years. Guys who are experienced and well put together can still pull it off, but the ROI has tanked. You put in twice the effort for half the results. I can't imagine how badly newbies or unattractive guys are getting slaughtered out there these days. I think cold approach is going to continue falling off over the next several years, at which point it will become almost extinct. It will then enjoy a small resurgence for the skilled few who can pull it off due to the sheer novelty value women will feel from being randomly approached (and to the extent that cold approach is successful at all these days, I believe it is largely due to this novelty factor already coming into play - so many young men and women have shifted almost entirely to dating apps now that many younger girls really have never experienced being approached by a mysterious, well put together guy with good game).

Post: #29

@scorpion, good post.

Game, as we define it, has shifted more towards keeping a woman around and past the first initial interaction as opposed to on the fly. When I am talking to a woman, I am relying more on my intuition to see what fantasy she is looking for and fulfilling that rather than just being authentic, in the first 2 interactions. Generally, yes, women are all about the social media and social circle i.e. external validation via the status of the man she is with.

Women are more aware than ever, of how thirsty men are; of how hot they are compared to what they thought. Fuck, I had the same realization and had to calibrate my game to tone it down.

You have to be a man who she can show off and market to her friends. Nothing has changed in this regard except for the avenues they use to market you; the social media and social circles discussed here.

Women are attracted to confidence and resources. Any man with resources is advertising it on social media. Their confidence is derived from the external validation of his showing off about this and in such, women screen for this. We have watched the transition and this forum itself have switched to a more holistic, self-improvement focused one where we increase our value through exercise, making money and becoming more attractive so when judgment time comes, we are at our best.

If you can bridge the gap between signaling you have resources, are confident (without relying on resources) and pre-selected then you are in. Social media is a stock market of acceptance, that’s pretty much it. It’s pre-selection by your peers and women want what other women want.

It’s like wealth. As time passes on, secret society (top 10% ) shrinks in size yet increases amount of girls they net. The focus thus turns to becoming part of the secret society and a macro approach to game as opposed to simply cold approaching.

Cold approaching for me doesn’t really constitute game. Any person with reasonable confidence and aura can open a woman, the difference is eliciting the emotions where she doesn’t want you to leave.

I am probably in the minority but game has become easier for me; partly due to adapting and preparing for this and partly thanks to maturing and increasing in value (mid-20s). I wrote about the importance of social media in 2015 and it struck a nerve with most game traditionalists here. For what it's worth, I have shifted FB to IG for value display and FB is solely logistics. WhatsApp is only logistics and voice notes but phone calls are making a heavy comeback. Especially if you have a commanding, sexy voice.

We have identified the problems and the higher barriers of entry to seducing women so let’s focus on the solutions and where our strengths lie. Cold approaches are already a novelty for most and the girls I speak to about it find it quite refreshing. It’s just being curious and pointing some stuff out along with being attractive enough to turn off the switch in her mind of “what does he want/when will he leave/what a creep”.

Every single man here, should be befriending women. Stop trying to fuck every single one, especially every single hot one. Befriend them. Understand their nature. Go out with them and they will preselect you, go and approach other women with you (in a casual manner). They legitimize your presence and set you apart.

For every man going out with hot women in his social circle, there are another 15 guys going out with other men. This is a long term strategy for those who are building careers in a metropolis or smaller places and aren’t sexual nomads. Even for the nomads, a powerful social media presence is absolutely killer.

On the flipside, having the real-life presence above and some mystery online is beneficial for the short term. Mystery still exists and the power of its scarcity in an information-rich age cannot be underestimated. At the very least, you shouldn’t be giving your social media accounts out, pre-bang.

Phone numbers are a waste of time. You put the ball in their court. Online game is the same, women are the selectors, requiring jedi master standout game and it doesn’t always work. They will flock to men who fit their ideal, remind them of that good sex with their ex or simply their friends like.

Women care about what other women and their friends think about so social circle should be your focus.

You can and will get one night stands on the regular with hot girls if you put yourself out there and are very ballsy. You just need to shatter their state of minds with sexuality and nothing to lose.

For all the posts on this, if you were to take some MDMA and go out, you would absolutely kill it and all of this game theory goes out of the window. No inhibitions. Sexual connections. You project the vibe that ‘only now matters’ and you take them on a whirlwind experience. It’s not sustainable but it’s a sneak peek into your potential. Deconstruct that and figure out what it is that attracts women and keeps them around for the night.

The way women judge us have changed as have the avenues of getting to the women and being able to destroy their short attention spans to let you run that game on them.

Alternatively, you need to be able to attract immediately as opposed to within 1 hour or so.

The power of the present is the most powerful.

Spend time with women and figure out what their red flags are. They don’t screen men as leniently as they used to.

Become as attractive as you can be if you’re not already.

Too many men have pedestalized women that if you’re a man serious about slaying on the regular, you need to ensure your value is high enough.

Then again, remember, the % of men fucking hot women has actually decreased. It’s no longer 10/90, its 5/95.

Use this to your advantage because once you are on that side, it’s really easy.

Post: #30

(05-17-2018 09:37 PM)SLSlayer Wrote:  As a guy who's been doing night game in Canada for 10-15 years, I've noticed girls today are far less likely to give a guy whose looks they don't like a window of opportunity to game them.

It used to be that a guy's average in looks would get a window of opportunity to win her over with smooth talking. A lot of old PUA material emphasized verbal game (negs, DHV stories, routines etc.)

This is no longer true. A guy's looks and style have to be on point to even get the audition. Women are mimicking their behaviour on Tinder in real life. If you don't pass her looks bar, she won't engage you - it's an instant no/swipe left.

I hate that this rings 100% true in my experience too

If she doesn't look at you and think you are very good looking, you just don't stand a shot. All the negs and DHV stories and strong subcommunications etc (game) just isn't gonna change that fact. Crazy how so many old hands in the game seem to confirm this change. I think as an ugly dude, I was born about 20 years too late!! haha

Post: #31

(05-17-2018 11:15 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Social media microfame and social circle are the winning plays for game these days. Women are drowning in a sea of attention and you need to leverage status and pre-selection to set yourself apart from the pack. The reality is that young women are overstimulated and essentially suffering from analysis paralysis. Random approaches demand an immediate buying response, which makes them very uncomfortable after having grown accustomed to entertaining various options at their leisure. Cold approach has therefore fallen off drastically the past few years. Guys who are experienced and well put together can still pull it off, but the ROI has tanked. You put in twice the effort for half the results. I can't imagine how badly newbies or unattractive guys are getting slaughtered out there these days. I think cold approach is going to continue falling off over the next several years, at which point it will become almost extinct. It will then enjoy a small resurgence for the skilled few who can pull it off due to the sheer novelty value women will feel from being randomly approached (and to the extent that cold approach is successful at all these days, I believe it is largely due to this novelty factor already coming into play - so many young men and women have shifted almost entirely to dating apps now that many younger girls really have never experienced being approached by a mysterious, well put together guy with good game).

This is a great post overall, but is there any actionable advice you can give for these men in the bolded? Grinding and putting in immense effort for 4's and 5's that most guys aren't even sexually attracted to seems very depressing. And you can't even count on those women being faithful to you. At what point does international game get played out? I get the sense from the forum we are only a few years from the major international cities being completely saturated with feminism, the dating apps plaguing western countries, and younger expats looking for women on apps and via cold approach. Pretty much any high status guy (athletes, entertainers, etc) is shooting fish in a barrel with these instagram women right now. I've even seen them stoop to ones who are 4's without makeup. These women are ruined for life after one encounter like that. They will never be capable of respecting a man they perceive to be "normal" ever again. Don't mean to be doom and gloom but it really does feel we are close to the breaking point where the value proposition of gaming women for average men in the west is destroyed and men start dropping out en masse, initiating the end game.

Post: #32

(05-18-2018 04:56 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 09:37 PM)SLSlayer Wrote:  As a guy who's been doing night game in Canada for 10-15 years, I've noticed girls today are far less likely to give a guy whose looks they don't like a window of opportunity to game them.

It used to be that a guy's average in looks would get a window of opportunity to win her over with smooth talking. A lot of old PUA material emphasized verbal game (negs, DHV stories, routines etc.)

This is no longer true. A guy's looks and style have to be on point to even get the audition. Women are mimicking their behaviour on Tinder in real life. If you don't pass her looks bar, she won't engage you - it's an instant no/swipe left.

I hate that this rings 100% true in my experience too

If she doesn't look at you and think you are very good looking, you just don't stand a shot. All the negs and DHV stories and strong subcommunications etc (game) just isn't gonna change that fact. Crazy how so many old hands in the game seem to confirm this change. I think as an ugly dude, I was born about 20 years too late!! haha

I think your observation is a women's natural reaction to a game heavy social environment. Every guy she will talk to is putting up the same front with varying levels of skill so she isn't capable of differentiating who is actually alpha and who isn't. The online dating environment plays up looks and status first and foremost, so that is the easiest way for them to eliminate a lot of men fast. This is precisely why the game is zero sum. Once everyone meets the bar for game, the bar only gets higher and higher beyond merely having good game until the whole thing collapses on itself. Completely unsustainable for an ever decreasing fraction of men to monopolize the desirable women while the percentage of desirable women is also decreasing due to feminism, obesity, etc.. Online game was so much better when most guys saw it as beneath them and when it was considered taboo for a girl to meet a guy off the internet. That mystique is long gone. And like you mentioned, in some cases cold approaches are being seen as a sign of thirst or desperation rather than assertive and confident behavior. Damned if you do damned if you don't.

Post: #33

The game of today is like a hilarious, dark-mirrored perversion of game before the advent of mobile tech. It's similar in that it is based around value (and the projection of value) but the value you must project must often be inordinately divergent from your true value so that you appear to be some sort of minor celebrity. Hard, in-person verbal game is taking a back seat to IG, Tinder, Tantan and other mobile dating platforms that allow you to create a deceitful web of a reality to suck women in. I don't write that all to sound bitter, I actually find this all fascinating.

What I have learned from watching game evolve over this past decade:

Being a man of value never goes out of style, but now you must bolster that value heavily with amazing photos of your travels and other things in order to lure in the ADHD generation.

Post: #34

(05-18-2018 06:22 AM)Fortis Wrote:  The game of today is like a hilarious, dark-mirrored perversion of game before the advent of mobile tech. It's similar in that it is based around value (and the projection of value) but the value you must project must often be inordinately divergent from your true value so that you appear to be some sort of minor celebrity. Hard, in-person verbal game is taking a back seat to IG, Tinder, Tantan and other mobile dating platforms that allow you to create a deceitful web of a reality to suck women in. I don't write that all to sound bitter, I actually find this all fascinating.

What I have learned from watching game evolve over this past decade:

Being a man of value never goes out of style, but now you must bolster that value heavily with amazing photos of your travels and other things in order to lure in the ADHD generation.

Couldn't have said it better.

I'll say the mini-fame game is one of the most important aspects of my DHV game. The girls just never think about the fact that if you're really spending that much effort to build up your Instagram account you're not really working yourself off on things of actual substance.

Post: #35

(05-18-2018 06:04 AM)Razor Beast Wrote:  This is a great post overall, but is there any actionable advice you can give for these men in the bolded? Grinding and putting in immense effort for 4's and 5's that most guys aren't even sexually attracted to seems very depressing. And you can't even count on those women being faithful to you. At what point does international game get played out? I get the sense from the forum we are only a few years from the major international cities being completely saturated with feminism, the dating apps plaguing western countries, and younger expats looking for women on apps and via cold approach. Pretty much any high status guy (athletes, entertainers, etc) is shooting fish in a barrel with these instagram women right now. I've even seen them stoop to ones who are 4's without makeup. These women are ruined for life after one encounter like that. They will never be capable of respecting a man they perceive to be "normal" ever again. Don't mean to be doom and gloom but it really does feel we are close to the breaking point where the value proposition of gaming women for average men in the west is destroyed and men start dropping out en masse, initiating the end game.

It's definitely a tough environment now for average guys. The bolded portion you touched on here is an enormous problem stemming from social media. A moderately attractive woman can easily obtain a one-night sexual encounter with a high-value man, which essentially ratchets up her own perceived SMV to that man's level. And maybe it is on his level - but only for quick, anonymous sex. A male 10 has no problem fucking a female 7, but at the end of the day he's got much better options for commitment. She's way down on the list. But in her mind, once she fucks him, that's her new value. In her mind she's a girl who deserves nothing less than that male 10 in the future. Anything less than that she will perceive as a step down. This is a recipe for destroying actual relationship formation between men and women of approximately equal SMV. The women are fixated on chasing the top 1% of guys (who actually seem accessible through social media - this is the great delusion) and meanwhile ignore guys on their own actual level. By the time reality slaps them in the face and they're forced to settle down in their early 30s, these women are of course filled with bitterness. In their mind, settling down is literally settling for less. Social media whoring is turning all women into alpha widows. It's a recipe for mass social dysfunction, lowered fertility and broken families.

There really are no easy answers for this problem. I think the best thing an average guy can do, once he maximizes his looks and game, is to focus on creating a lifestyle that he can easily sell on social media and that naturally puts him in the company of attractive women. Leverage what you bring to the table - if you have a strong personality and social skills, try to become the center of a few social circles and be seen as "the guy" with high status there. If you have some extra money to throw around, consider starting some sort of side business that will put you around hot women (modeling, promotions, photography, etc...). Beyond that, I really don't know. It's a weird environment out there. Uncharted territory for sure.

Post: #36

(05-17-2018 11:15 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Any girl who's at least moderately attractive simply doesn't have to put in the effort. Any effort, really. She will have more attention than she can handle on dating apps and a steady supply through her existing social circles. A random approach these days is more likely to make her think you're incredibly thirsty than bold. In her mind, high value men don't have to put in the effort to approach - they can easily slay online and through social circle with minimal effort. She projects her experience onto you and judges you harshly for it.

This is sadly more true than many on this forum would like to admit. If you don't have some social circle game, niche play, or part of your tribe working for you, you're really limited to almost dead in the water. Even if you do well, look good, etc. I think scorpion is on it, and no one likes to admit just how bad it is or can be. I agree with him though, for the most part.

Post: #37

As I've said in other places, in the modern world of allowing women all sorts of agency they never had, you've by definition made tribal and community (healthy things) relationships, which are true and lasting, irrelevant. You let them all out on their own to the smorgasboard of choice, and thus, led hypergamy to its natural end, the pareto principle. The "communities" they have chosen are social media fraudulent communities that sell a dream, and like the lotto, end in progressively broke or dead ends, a sort of death by a thousand cuts. Sure, 1 in a million will hit the lotto, but even then you don't see the real story behind the girl who hooked up with supposed IG photo hottie X, who probably got dumped by him after a few pumps, and won't fill you in on the real details of what transpired after.

All tech in that sense is like porn, an alluring prospect that in the end has no real basis in reality.

Post: #38

This sounds very pessimistic. All young women can’t be Instagram hoes, can they? If it really is this bad... beta uprising when?

Post: #39

(05-17-2018 11:15 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Any girl who's at least moderately attractive simply doesn't have to put in the effort. Any effort, really. She will have more attention than she can handle on dating apps and a steady supply through her existing social circles. A random approach these days is more likely to make her think you're incredibly thirsty than bold. In her mind, high value men don't have to put in the effort to approach - they can easily slay online and through social circle with minimal effort. She projects her experience onto you and judges you harshly for it.

This is really intelligent analysis. While I've gotten results with day game there are certain girls, especially (though not exclusively do note) in the West where SMV comes more into play, who will think that there simply MUST be something wrong with you if you had to resort to cold approach her, especially during the day time. You can put in a great effort but if you come across a girl who thinks like that - increasing numbers worldwide all the time nowadays - then there's not much you can do about it.

The irony is that I've seen some average guys slip in to a girl's FB messages, do the number exchange that way, use whatsapp to organize a date, and that is given more credit than a real life cold approach. Shit is crazy out there.

On point with everything else scorpion said.

I agree with the social circle/tribe part, but what I liked about cold approach was being able to get results off my own back, do things alone. I'm not a particularly sociable guy most of the time, but I like pretty girls. What's really annoying is having to build a SC (harder than it looks, especially a solid one) or having a "tribe" in the first place. If I ever was part of a mini "tribe" in my life, I pretty much sigma'd my way out of them because I thought they were lame and I could get better results on my own. Shit, most of my old HS senior year are still rolling with the same people, dating people in the same little circle. It's pitiful but there is quality there. I chose to bail on that because I got bored. Starting to regret that decision. The price of cold approach is paid every time you go in: every time you are a "random guy". Even looking good with a good approach, how much value does a "random guy" have to a girl in the West whose standard is now set at 10 Chad she banged once from tinder?

Post: #40

(05-18-2018 08:39 AM)scorpion Wrote:  A moderately attractive woman can easily obtain a one-night sexual encounter with a high-value man, which essentially ratchets up her own perceived SMV to that man's level. And maybe it is on his level - but only for quick, anonymous sex. A male 10 has no problem fucking a female 7, but at the end of the day he's got much better options for commitment. She's way down on the list. But in her mind, once she fucks him, that's her new value. In her mind she's a girl who deserves nothing less than that male 10 in the future. Anything less than that she will perceive as a step down. This is a recipe for destroying actual relationship formation between men and women of approximately equal SMV. The women are fixated on chasing the top 1% of guys (who actually seem accessible through social media - this is the great delusion) and meanwhile ignore guys on their own actual level.

Ever since I got into mass dating and saw how unbelievably lopsided the dating market is, I've sought to understand how and why. Most people (particularly those who have been in a relationship for a long time) refuse to believe that there's some massive asymmetry out there. In their minds, there's a roughly equal number of men and women, therefore it must be equally difficult for both sides. Those of us on the ground obviously know that's untrue.

What scorpion says right there absolutely hits the nail on the head. I could not have said it better myself. To expand on his point, if female 7's are getting fucked by male 10's en masse and ignoring male 7's, what do you think happens to those male 7's? They're left with two options: wait with their dicks in their hands for a miracle, a female 7 who is receptive to them, or go fuck female 4's and 5's in the interim. Even those who would prefer a relationship with a comparably attractive woman will often choose the latter option. And if male 7's are fucking female 5's, what does that leave for male 5's? If male 5's fuck female 2's, what does that leave male 2's? You get where this is going. It boils down to this: All women, except those in the very top tier, are pursued by men out of their league who just want easy sex. And the implications are devastating to the monogamous relationship.

But this issue is not the whole story.

On top of it, there's also the issue of age disparity. Women obviously have a shorter window of being attractive and fertile. In most couples, the man is older than the woman. As a result, in the desirable age range for females (call it 18-27), single men significantly outnumber single women. But it gets worse when you consider that those women are also viably pursued by men who are older. So not only are there more single 18-27 men than women, you also have to consider the single 28-39 year old men who add to the glut of attention received by women of desirable age. All in all, I'd estimate around a 2:1 ratio- 2 men who can viably pursue every 1 woman whose looks and fertility are still in tact (and will be for a few more years).

Lastly, the overweightness epidemic isn't doing us any favors (I refuse to call it the obesity epidemic, as I feel it implies that being merely overweight isn't an issue). Sure the BMI statistics between men and women are fairly similar, but that doesn't really tell the story in terms of sexual attractiveness. A woman who is overweight (i.e. 70% of them in the US) is automatically unattractive, period. At least in my eyes. And probably most other guys' eyes as well. The same is not even close to true for overweight men. Some are overweight due to muscle mass. Some carry the extra weight well enough that it doesn't make them look sloppy and unattractive. Keep in mind that the vast majority of [American] football players, high school level and above, are "overweight" according to BMI, yet those guys are notorious for slaying pussy. So in other words, overweightness has ravaged the dateability of women far more than it has for men. The number of men who aren't disqualified from being attractive due to excessive fat significantly outnumbers women in that category.

Sometimes I get down on myself when I'm in a dry spell. But considering these monumental factors stacked against me helps me realize that it's actually pretty fucking amazing that I'm ever able to get young, thin, attractive women to date and fuck me, tough as it may be to come by.

Post: #41

(05-17-2018 05:48 PM)Beirut Wrote:  I've noticed that more and more, the main theme is that girls now need to be overwhelmed with stimulation.

I used to for example solo nightlife, pick a few targets, engage in a conversation and manage to attract a few. But now a lot of the same conversations and methods fall flat. I don't know if it's because I'm older but I think with girls now they need to be overstimulated.

For example, be very high energy, overwhelm them with height/stature, be with a fun group, have bottles/tables, have an edgy look, etc...

They're not going out with a goal to meet THE interesting guy anymore.

Not are they looking for connections as much as before.

There are definitely adjustments to be made in nightlife for me compared to what used to work.

I'm not sure I will want to, I might just take the lower percentage results because the adjustments don't really appeal to me.

^ This.

There's a research video regarding it as well. Feminism is also teaching women to pursue equal career opportunities (as in- NOT to be mothers). Thus they also encourage the pump and dump mentality, what they forget is that the pump and dump mentality works more for us men than it does for women. Women's true happiness comes from courting, not pump and dumping. So thank you feminists

Post: #42

I remain very optimistic because women still respond to cold approaches and if your game is tight you can still pull.

The window of opportunity is shorter and most focus needs to be placed on one night stands because the dynamic shifts post-sex.

They will find you on social media (or look for you) after your interaction so the further you take it, the more value you have. If you make an impression (and sex is the end game of this), they will rationalize any lack of online presence to justify your value and their investment on you.

Shift the tables as quick as you can and you can negate the after effects of social media. The mystery remains in the initial interaction so you just need to focus on providing a fantasy that you can manage and direct initially.

The added bonus of control is augmented by the virtue of using this as a screening mechanism.

This is a phenomena and easy to adapt to, assuming you acknowledge the new rules of courting and can use it to your advantage.

Negate their ADHD by dominating their frame, creating a sexual bubble and bouncing them around.

Guys aren’t doing this and the magnitude of getting them in bed ASAP cannot be understated.

Be bold and at worst, live a life you showcase to back this up when they want to ‘check your credentials’.

Post: #43

(05-17-2018 11:15 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Random approaches demand an immediate buying response, which makes them very uncomfortable after having grown accustomed to entertaining various options at their leisure.

I never thought about it like this. Good point.

Post: #44

After reading all of this I think NOIR is on to something. Friendzoning a girl especially in this narcissistic day of age might be the best route. I haven't read the Art of Seduction yet but I've read a summary of the 24 rules. Seems to me those keys would work perfectly now.

Most people in my generation 17-35 are what Green calls: Crushed Stars, Aging Babies, Drama Queens
Here's the list and explanation: http://masksofsanity.blogspot.com/2009/1...ctims.html



The roles are slowly switching to where women are the aggressors because men are too afraid or misfortunate to approach women. In a strange way women aggressive approach is simply their reply (if that makes sense) Let me explain, women get approached constantly on Instagram and such to the point where they don't HAVE to reply to every message. So every reply is actually her initiating a conversation. You are simply making yourself known to her. Instead of being a salesman for a great product you're now a marketing strategist. A commercial for a tasty candy VS An attractive interesting wrapper sitting on the shelf.

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One thing I've noticed is where girls in the past would have boyfriends in their early/mid twenties for a few months at a time it seems like that isnt the case anymore and they are content to live the single life for years at a time. They are alos very skilled at keeping any hint of a guy off their IG feed. Part of me thinks this is because guys are so readily accessible, and always chasing them via the different forms of social media, that they tend to pull away. Its human nature to only want what you cant have, and they have 1000's of suitors via tinder, IG, etc.

Post: #46

I don't see many changes. Confidence and lots of approaches is still what gets results. Leads go cold faster than before though, so pushing for fast sex is more important than ever.

There's more damaged women than before too. More women are scared of getting into relationships that would be good for them and aren't capable of accepting being treated well. It's not all of them though so you have to test the water to see what a particular girl responds to.