Post: #1

It's amazing how we can (rightfully) criticize these primitive attempts at "justice" when our own Western legal systems often resemble social lynchings, especially in "rape" cases or when cops gun down almost always dangerous black suspects.

That said, this sad tale is a great example of why the "all cultures are equal" mantra is seriously flawed.

TL;DR of this story - SJW and absent father who refused to grow up spends years in the Amazon jungle learning "natural medicine" from an old lady. He is accused of her murder (actually probably orchestrated by illegal loggers or the like) and is promptly beaten and strangled to death with kids and emaciated dogs watching.

Somewhat NSFW footage of his death: https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=9RFub_1524426119

Go to any South American country and there is, despite the frequently shared Amerindinan ancestry, a serious hatred between the indigenous peoples (who have 75-100% indigenous blood) of Peru, Colombia etc. and the whites/mestizos/blacks (0-50% indigenous blood).

This dead Canadian reminds me of the Costa Rica South Park episode where the SJW Miss Stevens is the one the midget Amerindian cannibals want to eat. He didn't deserve to die, but his leftist praise for indigenous tribes certainly got him killed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn...us-shaman/

Quote:Canadian dies in ‘lynching’ in Peruvian Amazon, accused of killing an indigenous shaman

It was 2013 when Sebastian Woodroffe decided to quit his job and leave his home in Canada to study plant medicine in Peru. A relative’s battle with alcoholism had inspired him to “fix the family’s spirit” and pursue a career as an addictions counselor, he said in a YouTube video.

Woodroffe, then a 36-year-old father of a 4-year-old boy, began raising money for an apprenticeship with traditional healers in the Amazon. He felt a responsibility to “support this culture and retain some of their treasure in me and my family, and share it with those that wish to learn,” he wrote on a fundraising page. He was particularly interested in experiencing ayahuasca, a sludgelike hallucinogenic potion used by indigenous shamans in spiritual exercises.

It’s not entirely clear what happened in the years that followed, or whether the Canadian tourist found the healing he was seeking in the Peruvian Amazon. But late last week, his name and face somehow landed on a wanted poster that accused him of killing a beloved shaman and indigenous activist in a remote rain forest in northeastern Peru.

Enraged members of the indigenous community appear to have taken matters into their own hands. Peruvian authorities say a mob of locals in the Amazonian region of Ucayali killed Woodroffe before burying him in a makeshift grave. Peru’s ombudsman described the killing as a “lynching.”

A gruesome cellphone video that emerged in local news outlets shows a man — later identified by officials as Woodroffe — being dragged through the mud by a cord wrapped around his neck. He moans and pleads for mercy before lying motionless in the dirt.

Hard to see how the ancestors of the folks in the jungle in 2018 were any more enlightened than the Conquistadors:

Post: #2

I have read that there is nothing more dangerous than an hysterical mob looking for a scapegoat.

A similar lynch mob has happened in Madagascar few years ago.

Quote:Tourist killed on holiday isle by vigilante mob who wrongly believed he was a paedophile screamed ‘I love kids, I have a little girl’ before they burned him alive

Sebastian Judalet and Roberto Gianfala were killed on Madagascar holiday
Pair were wrongly accused of murdering 8-year-old local boy

Recording, circulating locally, was made by mob before execution

In it Judalet, who has an 11-year-old daughter, is heard begging for his life

Madagascar police say there is 'no evidence' to connect pair to boy's death

Third man, revealed as boy's uncle, killed later in similar way

In total 26 people have been arrested for the three deaths


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...z5DWfTxOhA

Post: #3

It reminds me of those fools who try to keep a chimp as a pet and then it rips their face off. Liberals think of third world savages with the same sympathetic pet-like mentality that they treat dangerous animals like chimps and pit bulls, as if their diarrheic emotions will somehow rub off and make the beast tame.

Post: #4

(04-23-2018 02:49 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  It reminds me of those fools who try to keep a chimp as a pet and then it rips their face off. Liberals think of third world savages with the same sympathetic pet-like mentality that they treat dangerous animals like chimps and pit bulls, as if their diarrheic emotions will somehow rub off and make the beast tame.

Are you comparing lower-IQ races to apes? How dare you sir...

Post: #5

(04-23-2018 04:24 PM)Thot Leader Wrote:  

(04-23-2018 02:49 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  It reminds me of those fools who try to keep a chimp as a pet and then it rips their face off. Liberals think of third world savages with the same sympathetic pet-like mentality that they treat dangerous animals like chimps and pit bulls, as if their diarrheic emotions will somehow rub off and make the beast tame.

Are you comparing lower-IQ races to apes? How dare you sir...

Post: #6

White boy should have laid off the Ayahuasca juice.

Post: #7

Then there was that one instance where Brit tourist A freaked out on Ayahuasca.
Killed Brit tourist B while completely out of it.
& was promptly charged with murder despite being 'off in the clouds'...

Post: #8

Puckerman will be missed.

Post: #9

In typical Canadian fashion, I'm sure Trudeau will side with the natives and find some way to get them a payday.

Post: #10

(04-23-2018 04:24 PM)Thot Leader Wrote:  

(04-23-2018 02:49 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  It reminds me of those fools who try to keep a chimp as a pet and then it rips their face off. Liberals think of third world savages with the same sympathetic pet-like mentality that they treat dangerous animals like chimps and pit bulls, as if their diarrheic emotions will somehow rub off and make the beast tame.

Are you comparing lower-IQ races to apes? How dare you sir...

Are you implying that lower-IQ races only live in primitive cultures? How dare you! Thbbbpt!

Post: #11

You have to be careful about that kind of thing in Latin America. In the early nineties in Central America there were rumors among the country people that rich outsiders were stealing their children. In 1994 in a village in Guatemala a local, little girl momentarily disappeared (she was found safe and sound later) and a mob attacked an American tourist woman- June Weinstock, and beat her into a coma. She was airlifted to Alaska but I don't know if she ever recovered as I can't find anything else about her.

Then, in 2000, almost the exact same thing happened in another Guatemalan village. Somehow, the locals thought that a Japanese tour group was grabbing their children, and a spontaneous mob killed one of the tourists and the Guatemalan tour bus driver.

Post: #12

This puts me in the mood for Cannibal Holocaust.

Post: #13

I have always thought going to remote parts of South America to drink ayahuasca was retarded. You are trusting people you don't know to give you the right shit and not poison and not take advantage of you while incapacitated. There are plenty of hallucinogens you can buy in the US and do in your own home or a state park or whatever.

Post: #14

Frankly speaking it could have happened anywhere where police response time is bigger then an hour.

If you think a mob of white people couldn't have done such a thing you are delusional. I see angry mobs of white people getting outraged all the time in twitter and on real life - all those rape hysteria's , doxers, antifas and other SJW things, all these feminists insisting that a man is guilty before proven innocent are the same - easily angered mob mentality is in all of them.

The only difference is that in one place you know that police will arrive soon so your mob uses more passive aggressive tactics to maintain victim-hood status, but in a middle of jungle with no police - white college students would be no better then these jungle Indians.

Post: #15

(04-24-2018 12:31 PM)Mage Wrote:  Frankly speaking it could have happened anywhere where police response time is bigger then an hour.

If you think a mob of white people couldn't have done such a thing you are delusional. I see angry mobs of white people getting outraged all the time in twitter and on real life - all those rape hysteria's , doxers, antifas and other SJW things are the same - easily angered mob mentality.

The only difference is that in one place you know that police will arrive soon so your mob uses more passive aggressive tactics to maintain victim-hood status, but in a middle of jungle with no police - white college students would be no better then these jungle Indians.

Post: #16

When SJWs do horror movies about cannibals in the Amazon:






Spoilers:



In the end the only surviving girl lets the cannibal brutal villagers go, because she feels that the White men were just encroaching on their territory. She does this after those savages have brutally murdered and eaten their male and female friends - also given them their own friends as food to eat.

In the movie she is saved by a mercenary group hired by a corporation - they would have wiped out every last on of those savages, but she let them go in her great social justice compassion (as they were chasing her to kill and eat her literally 5 minutes before).





Sargon - the mainstream leftie of old - has an entire series about all the beautiful cultures alive around the world.

Post: #17

I have a buddy who moved from Europe to Nicaragua straight after high school. He told me mobs taking justice in their own hands were a common thing over there, especially during weekends apparently.
Sometimes they would beat someone to death (or close to) just for stealing minor stuff. He was shocked at first but after a year or so he changed his mind about it. It was a more democratic way of dealing with it and good that the society showed what they thought about such acts. Normal people were better off killing a paedophile rather than keeping him in prison and cost money.

Sure they get the wrong guy once in a while but overall I think the jungle justice system is closer to justice than some white countries. The 3rd world people don't go ape shit bananas over gender prononunce like SJW.

Post: #18

Be careful what you wish for.

Most of these places don't even have running water because the same backward dipshit way of thinking that says "it's a boring Sunday afternoon, let's lynch someone" is the same backward dipshit way of thinking that perpetually traps them in feckless poverty on every other issue in their backward dipshit lives.

It's all fun and games until you're the one having your dick cut off because some dude knocked up his own daughter and when she started showing he needed someone to pin the blame on.

Post: #19

(04-23-2018 09:21 PM)Suits Wrote:  Puckerman will be missed.

I am alive and well, Suits. Plus, I am not Canadian and never will be.

I also want to stress that I found ayahuasca on this web site. The article is here:

http://www.returnofkings.com/28495/the-s...-your-life

Goldmund is another poster who encouraged me to try it, and I am very glad I did.

Post: #20

(04-24-2018 01:15 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  When SJWs do horror movies about cannibals in the Amazon:






Spoilers:



In the end the only surviving girl lets the cannibal brutal villagers go, because she feels that the White men were just encroaching on their territory. She does this after those savages have brutally murdered and eaten their male and female friends - also given them their own friends as food to eat.

In the movie she is saved by a mercenary group hired by a corporation - they would have wiped out every last on of those savages, but she let them go in her great social justice compassion (as they were chasing her to kill and eat her literally 5 minutes before).





Sargon - the mainstream leftie of old - has an entire series about all the beautiful cultures alive around the world.

Looks like a fun movie!

Post: #21

(04-24-2018 01:44 PM)Salvadore Wrote:  I have a buddy who moved from Europe to Nicaragua straight after high school. He told me mobs taking justice in their own hands were a common thing over there, especially during weekends apparently.
Sometimes they would beat someone to death (or close to) just for stealing minor stuff. He was shocked at first but after a year or so he changed his mind about it. It was a more democratic way of dealing with it and good that the society showed what they thought about such acts. Normal people were better off killing a paedophile rather than keeping him in prison and cost money.

Sure they get the wrong guy once in a while but overall I think the jungle justice system is closer to justice than some white countries. The 3rd world people don't go ape shit bananas over gender prononunce like SJW.

Why the fuck does everyone assume that White Western nations are and were a mix of SJW-laws? That shit is at best 2 decades old and even then you still have plenty of nations which adhere to the rule of law.

Mob rule was part of the European culture for a few millennia and it was not good. Even the witch-burnings that cropped up were terrible idiocies - women got rid of pretty girls that way easy. Mob rule is the worst kind of crap and system. The idea that mob rule can punish pedophiles better is idiotic. It's all fine with one guy, but then you yourself, your daughter or some innocent stranger are up on the chopping block of group violence. Mobs have the wisdom and emotional depths of 3 year olds. It takes only scheming bitch who had a bad day in order to see some blood.

This is not justice - it's stupidity and barbarism.

Post: #22

Taking ayahuasca in the jungle just sounds like a bad idea. If anyone understands how this business works, there is little quality control, and when people have bad trips they can end up dead under strange circumstances. In some way sort of reminds me of how Christopher McCandless hiked into the Alaskan wilderness, ill-prepared and in the wrong state of mind, and then ended up dead. I've heard a lot of backpackers talking about doing this shit, and I honestly think it would be better for them to just go to Colombia and do a lot of cocaine--it is probably safer anyway...

It sounds like the indigenous people are not fans of gringos, and that is probably enough of a reason to keep away. Nevertheless, tragic, and a reminder to all of us, that not all communities welcome outsiders or people with good intentions.

Post: #23

(04-25-2018 05:58 AM)Dragan Wrote:  Taking ayahuasca in the jungle just sounds like a bad idea. If anyone understands how this business works, there is little quality control, and when people have bad trips they can end up dead under strange circumstances. In some way sort of reminds me of how Christopher McCandless hiked into the Alaskan wilderness, ill-prepared and in the wrong state of mind, and then ended up dead. I've heard a lot of backpackers talking about doing this shit, and I honestly think it would be better for them to just go to Colombia and do a lot of cocaine--it is probably safer anyway...

It sounds like the indigenous people are not fans of gringos, and that is probably enough of a reason to keep away. Nevertheless, tragic, and a reminder to all of us, that not all communities welcome outsiders or people with good intentions.

Nah it's very safe as long as you do your homework. Probably tens of thousands of tourists drink ayahuasca in South America every year without incident. In fact there is not one case case of a tourist dying directly from drinking ayahuasca - there was the New Zealander who died after some kind of tobacco ritual, and that guy who was stabbed, who knows what happened there but things like that are extremely rare. It's true that there is little or no regulation and of course there are risks. But saying that it's a bad idea is like saying it's a bad idea to travel to Southeast Asia because someone on the news died in a barfight.

Post: #24

My point would remain that you're better off not in these off the grid places where the communities may be hostile to new age hippy dipshits. Getting lynched is a serious indicator, to me at least, that no one should be in the backwoods hellholes.

The idea that taking drugs is going to somehow enlighten you has always struck me as blue pill thinking, or if nothing else, laziness. Let's say the shit works, you know where it works the best? Under controlled clinical settings under close supervision. No such thing is going to happen in the jungle.

There's literally no regulation, and if something goes wrong they will cover it up. They don't care about some tourists, they just care about money, that much is clear. People need to go to church, or go to a psychologist...

Couple cases that I found:
18 YO American teen dead: https://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/24/justi...index.html
24 YO Australian dead: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-14/gr...er/8345808
26 YO Brit killed by Canadian: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne...mazon.html
19 YO Brit Dead: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/exmpw...-ayahuasca

Post: #25

This double tragedy has been very widely discussed within the ayahuasca community. I know people who have trained with Olivia Arévalo Lomas. I did not know Sebastian Woodroffe, but you can learn more about him by visiting his Facebook page and looking at his Youtube videos.

People in the ayahuasca community have also set up fundraising pages for both of the deceased:

https://www.gofundme.com/for-sebatian-wo...39s-family

https://gogetfunding.com/support-maestra...os-family/

Here is what I have heard from reliable sources. Sebastian began to threaten people in the Shipibo community about eight months ago. Several times, they went to the police to report the threats. The police did nothing. So, when he finally killed Olivia, they probably expected the same kind of do-nothing response from the police. Can we blame them?

Why was nothing done? It's hard to tell. They wouldn't have had to charge him with any crime. They could have simply revoked his visa and told him to go home. I'm not sure why the people didn't contact the immigration authorities. It's interesting that the UK won't allow Lauren Southern into the country, yet this guy was allowed to stay in Perú after threatening people.

Olivia apparently didn't even know how old she was, and I heard her age reported from 81 to "in her 90's." My source who said "in her 90's" also told me that she had been leading ayahuasca ceremonies for 75 years. I am finding the 80's more credible myself, as she apparently has a 52-year-old daughter.

Sebastian was clearly a man who needed help. Fortunately, he had enough good sense to recognize that he needed it. Unfortunately, his demons still managed to take over and create a terrible tragedy. Ayahuasca has helped many people recover from addiction and past trauma, so it's no surprise that some really messed up people are finding it.

Regardless of the flaws in primitive societies, they do tend to value their elders much more. Olivia never considered retiring from her work, and she would never have been placed in a home (like we do in our modern societies). I'm happy for the people who got to train with her. I'm happy for the people who were touched by her life. I also wonder what her life says about ayahuasca and longevity.

Contrary to some reports, Olivia was not an activist. She was simply a healer and a trainer for other healers. It doesn't sound like she didn't go much outside the world of ayahuasca. She apparently did go to Iquitos from Pucallpa to help them with work there. There is a lot more ayahuasca tourism in Iquitos than in Pucallpa.

My sources don't think this will harm ayahuasca tourism. The white people in the ayahuasca community have done a great job cultivating trust and goodwill with the indigenous people who have shared their medicines and wisdom with us. I'm glad it is still there, and we can still both mutually benefit from the exchange.

I've learned that a lot of people don't go to Perú unless they really need it. Ayahuasca has helped many of them. These people are addicts, soldiers recovering from the trauma of war, women recovering from abusive relationships and/or childhoods, and others, cancer patients, and people afflicted with neuro-muscular diseases. It has helped me as well, and this also includes helping me improve my eyesight.

I do wonder if some simply are beyond its capabilities and if Sebastian was one of those people. Could ayahuasca have helped someone like Sueng-Hui Cho (Virginia Tech) or Ted Bundy? I don't know and wonder if we ever can know.