Post: #101

@Tintin
Are you in Kiev? Or you finding girls in your native land

Post: #102

REX most Italians are lighter than Ukrainians? Lol? Italians from Napoli and south and lots of Spanish look exactly like Turks from Istanbul

Post: #103

REX where are you at the moment?

Post: #104

Kiev,im thinking of an excursion, send me a pm, I want to know where tintin is he seems like hes doing well

Post: #105

For some reason I can't PM you, but I don't have much else to say about Kiev LOL

Post: #106

Sent u a pm

Post: #107

You haven't enabled replies , so I can't reply to you

Post: #108

Sorry! Just did

Post: #109

(04-10-2018 08:26 AM)Tintin Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 06:48 AM)Belarus1212 Wrote:  Your comment makes me suspect you have never went to Kiev . Girls there are on survival mode. I have some friends that are banging amazing girls on a regular basis, they are not good looking or dress well, but they have a stable presence in Kiev, and can provide for the girls who in exchange give them sexual pleasure. With the top tier girls, if anything, I could argue that you being too charming, good looking and good game can even work against you, as she will think that she won't be able to lock you down. I once went with a friend who is 190 and has model looks, he quickly left as the girls were still trying to lock him up where as in the west he is banging high quality in ONS and from tinder. Can you find the occasional 9 who has lived in the west and is attracted to a more 'western' approach? Yes, but it is the exception and not the norm. If you are good looking and good game, go to Moscow where girls are not in survival mode and will be able to appreciate those qualities in you

Average guys that bang amazing girls regularly in Ukraine = P4P, there are no exceptions.

Yea charm and too good looking (like me) can definitely work against you, you are too experienced for them.

I often spend my time with models in Ukraine, because they speak good English, and they have been overseas, the two things I look for most in a girl. So for me, girls leaving Ukraine to travel and work not such a bad thing at all.

I've dated 2 models here, they were around 7 in looks just very very tall. One had a intolerable personality. The whole models thing I never get, any girl whos 6"1 or 6"2 can be a model. Can you elaborate on what you mean and where you are meeting these girls, are you in Kiev?

Post: #110

Real models have to be between 59 and 511, more than that and they are too tall. And you are correct about a lot of them having bad personalities, they go all around the world and get invited everywhere, ride the CC and so on. And they feel entitled because they are or were models (their 'careers' end at 22-23). NEXT!

Post: #111

(04-09-2018 01:24 PM)Belarus1212 Wrote:  I jave been lurking in this forum for quite some time, and this is my first post. I will be posting more data sheets of several cities and countries in Eastearn Europe, as I have been to all eastearn european countries and traveled extensively in Russia, going as north as Murmansk , south as Dagestan and east as Kamchatka

About me: I am 6 foot, fit, quite good looking (girls in the west give me anywhere between a 7,7 to an 8,2). I speak fluently Russian as I have studied there a field related to science in the Russian program, I am from a developed western country. I am of Latino origin, I have darker skin.

Now , I want to do a little disclaimer on this data sheet : I encounter a great amount of racism in girls, to any guys who look like darker Spanish , Italian or Latino, you will face racism from girls in Ukraine who will assume you are Turkish or from the Caucasus. The game for you will be proving you are from the west. I will write another thread about how to pick up girls from the former Soviet Union when you are Latino looking

About Kiev, I have been coming here since 2010, and I truly believe the place is completely dead. Even though I have rich friends living there, can be at tables every weekend, i will not be going back because I Belive the place is completely over for someone looking to find a genuine beautiful girl who is over an 8

Nightlife:

CHI: on some nights, it is full of beautiful women, and is even better than the most exclusive clubs of Moscow. However, you will quickly find out it's all an illusion: the same girls come over and over again, and they are looking for sponsors. They will be with you if they feel they can get something in return. The name of the game is to take a table, date her in a fancy place in Kiev and later invite her to a rich capital for an expensive trip. She will than open your legs for you in exchange of the possibility for her to expand her social media presence by taking pictures of her 'incredible' life without of course showing the guy paying for it. Girls there don't really care if you are good looking or a cool guy, and unless they are past 25 and on the decline, they will not settle. This literally applies for 98% of the girls there

Alaska: exclusive bar and restaurant. Same girls as CHI, so same principle applies

Avalon: used to be a good place, last time I went was LITTERALLY 90% guys. I don't know what happened, might have been bad luck

Forsage: stupid girls who are students, full of arabs students. If you are white and western, you can have a good time. If you look Latino like me, avoid like the plague as those girls are young and stupid and they will neceraillu assume you are an Arab, even if you are the best dressed guy and looking in the place I got my worst rejections here, and the quality is not so high.

Radio lounge: improved version of forsage, out of the center

Sorry babushka: improved version of forsage

Just cafe: my favorite place, it's a karakoke bar, you have some normal girls not openly blatant golddiggers (maybe 10%, which is not bad for Kiev's standard in exclusive places), music is not loud so you can approach. Don't be scared to approach the groups of girls sitting down, they are more receptive than in CHI

Coin;": fancy restaurant , hard to approach

The bar: girls go there to practice their English. I would avoid, bad ratios and the girls that you will pick up are low for Ukrainian standards and foreigner fan girls.

Skybar: the CHI of poorer people who want to pretend they are rich. Looking for sponsors, but more human than CHI, easy to pick up specially in the smoking area. All of that can be applied for the whole ARENA area.

Daygame: khreshatik, maidan

Overall: the place has went downhill, and in my opinion is no longer worth it. Girls 8 and above are constantly being invited to Europe and the west, or Dubai. They grew up in a hard market for women and they get all the benefits of it when they go to the west, being the only feminine women around. They know their power. Sure , you can date them, but it is only an illusion, since you can date them until they go somewhere where their market is so high.

They know why we are all in Ukraine, and the the good girls who are more than an 8 don't want to date a foreigner, since they know why we are here. They have been fucked by foreigners before and have been burnt, in the sense that they are relationship oriented and did not get it.

I have friends who are well placed in Kiev, i can go to all the VIP places and party with incredible girls, i can pick up easily, given that they hear me speak in a western language before (French in this case) so they know I'm not Turkish . But it's all an illusion, those girls are into survival mode and they want something out of you.

Is Kiev good for you? Well, it can be if you are a stoic person. If you don't mind playing the game of being an alpha sponsor, in the sense of being harsh with the girl making her know, look we go together to Paris but I fuck you or you are out. You will bang incredible girls, and I have friends that have amazing success doing this.

But if you are looking to date up with a nice and genuine girl, it's completely over. They don't exist anymore in Kiev. They have been completely spoiled by Instagram, Turkish and arabs throwing their money at them, they have traveled to westernized countries and have seen how high quality men are on their knees for them. Unless she is 28 and on the decline, she won't be impressed by you, she'll put on a show so she extracts from you

And if you are 190 good looking and have money, you can slay 9-10 in any country

I don't talk about girls who are less than 8, because I don't go to ukraine or FSU to date or bang anything below 8.

On a side not, I think the situation will still go down. I saw some RSD monkey guys spam approaching the girls and saw on Instagram that one of their famous instructors is living there (I didn't know them before , but a friend of mine in Ukraine is really big on them). I suspect those monkeys will massively start coming to Kiev to spam approach everyone there, I hope I am wrong.

Post: #112

(04-15-2018 03:57 AM)Belarus1212 Wrote:  Skank_hunt extremely accurate. To answer your question about Armenians and Georgians, they do make the difference, and they are just slightly above in the racism scale, with for instance someone from Dagestan being at the bottom. If you look like them you will have to work twice, if not three times as hot. I mean a girl who looks like a natural 8. And there are not so many in them in general. When you see a really dolled up girl, you have AT least to take away 1 point from her, look at her heels too she might be short. Also to answer your question about banging the transactional type, I did bang some (not a lot because their attitude repeals me) because like I said I have lots of friends their who are in a high position with money, and we always had tables with legit 8s-9s surrounding the place. I am good looking with a nice body, they get really wet and they really enjoy the sex with you, you can feel it, more so even than average normal goes, since they are used to bang ugly busted dudes. But, they are businesswomen, they would rather have their Channel and dubai picture than a good fuck and they are on survival mode, those girls are not after charming good looking guys and good fucks, if anything it will work against you since she'll think there is no way you'll sponsor her you have too many options (in speaking in general, not necerraily about me) Minsk might even have more Turks. Belarussian people are not racist by nature, at least the girls loved darker guys, like polish or Lithuanian , probably due to the fact that there are almost no Caucasian people there. However, arabs and Turks quickly found that out and they are completely bringing down the place at an incredible pace. It's sad really.

Nail on the head here. Having been to Minsk, I can attest to the above. However in saying that, the Turks and Arabs dominate the P4P market and women seen with them are instantly branded as whores. In saying that, racism is not a big problem in Belarus as it is elsewhere in the FSU but an Iranian guy whom I work with says that he does get racially abused in the street. That said, single Belarusian women, mainly in their 30s do shag Turks and Arabs on their holiday jaunts to places like Turkey and Egypt. Turks and Arabs are here but only in their usual haunts like Black Hall, Rich Cat, Dozari and Next. They are easily avoided.

Post: #113

(04-15-2018 08:15 AM)REXslavicus Wrote:  those are typical ukr 7s 6s , here some other common variants

These birds are solid 8s in my view. Some people here have ridiculous standards.

Post: #114

The RSD monkeys will not have a lot of success in kyiv, especially if they dont spend money. only advantage for them is they are from the us even though the girls dont give a shit about it.

Post: #115

(04-15-2018 03:19 PM)REXslavicus Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 08:26 AM)Tintin Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 06:48 AM)Belarus1212 Wrote:  Your comment makes me suspect you have never went to Kiev . Girls there are on survival mode. I have some friends that are banging amazing girls on a regular basis, they are not good looking or dress well, but they have a stable presence in Kiev, and can provide for the girls who in exchange give them sexual pleasure. With the top tier girls, if anything, I could argue that you being too charming, good looking and good game can even work against you, as she will think that she won't be able to lock you down. I once went with a friend who is 190 and has model looks, he quickly left as the girls were still trying to lock him up where as in the west he is banging high quality in ONS and from tinder. Can you find the occasional 9 who has lived in the west and is attracted to a more 'western' approach? Yes, but it is the exception and not the norm. If you are good looking and good game, go to Moscow where girls are not in survival mode and will be able to appreciate those qualities in you

Average guys that bang amazing girls regularly in Ukraine = P4P, there are no exceptions.

Yea charm and too good looking (like me) can definitely work against you, you are too experienced for them.

I often spend my time with models in Ukraine, because they speak good English, and they have been overseas, the two things I look for most in a girl. So for me, girls leaving Ukraine to travel and work not such a bad thing at all.

I've dated 2 models here, they were around 7 in looks just very very tall. One had a intolerable personality. The whole models thing I never get, any girl whos 6"1 or 6"2 can be a model. Can you elaborate on what you mean and where you are meeting these girls, are you in Kiev?

Yes true thst it's too easy to be a model in Ukraine, for example im Turkey almost any girl 7 or above can model.

I often approach the hottest girls on the street, I'm good looking as well which helps.

To answer your other question I'm in and out of Ukraine regularly

Post: #116

(04-16-2018 04:02 AM)Batka Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 08:15 AM)REXslavicus Wrote:  those are typical ukr 7s 6s , here some other common variants

These birds are solid 8s in my view. Some people here have ridiculous standards.

Some people are really really ridiculously good looking



Or rich

Post: #117

(04-16-2018 05:49 AM)Tintin Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 03:19 PM)REXslavicus Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 08:26 AM)Tintin Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 06:48 AM)Belarus1212 Wrote:  Your comment makes me suspect you have never went to Kiev . Girls there are on survival mode. I have some friends that are banging amazing girls on a regular basis, they are not good looking or dress well, but they have a stable presence in Kiev, and can provide for the girls who in exchange give them sexual pleasure. With the top tier girls, if anything, I could argue that you being too charming, good looking and good game can even work against you, as she will think that she won't be able to lock you down. I once went with a friend who is 190 and has model looks, he quickly left as the girls were still trying to lock him up where as in the west he is banging high quality in ONS and from tinder. Can you find the occasional 9 who has lived in the west and is attracted to a more 'western' approach? Yes, but it is the exception and not the norm. If you are good looking and good game, go to Moscow where girls are not in survival mode and will be able to appreciate those qualities in you

Average guys that bang amazing girls regularly in Ukraine = P4P, there are no exceptions.

Yea charm and too good looking (like me) can definitely work against you, you are too experienced for them.

I often spend my time with models in Ukraine, because they speak good English, and they have been overseas, the two things I look for most in a girl. So for me, girls leaving Ukraine to travel and work not such a bad thing at all.

I've dated 2 models here, they were around 7 in looks just very very tall. One had a intolerable personality. The whole models thing I never get, any girl whos 6"1 or 6"2 can be a model. Can you elaborate on what you mean and where you are meeting these girls, are you in Kiev?

Yes true thst it's too easy to be a model in Ukraine, for example im Turkey almost any girl 7 or above can model.

I often approach the hottest girls on the street, I'm good looking as well which helps.

To answer your other question I'm in and out of Ukraine regularly

Kiev or other cities in Ukraine? You speak Russian?

Post: #118

Too easy to be a model? I think some people here are mistaking some wannabe models taking insta pics or working as a hostess with a few photo shoots here and there for models. If she's not walking on podiums in Milano London Paris she is not a fucking model, and let her know! It's time to bring those instawhores off their pedestal gentlemen

Post: #119

And if she is a real model, bring her also down her pedestal. At 22 she'll be retired and will be treated as a normal human being again , so always feel superior to those girls

Post: #120

(04-16-2018 06:19 AM)Belarus1212 Wrote:  Too easy to be a model? I think some people here are mistaking some wannabe models taking insta pics or working as a hostess with a few photo shoots here and there for models. If she's not walking on podiums in Milano London Paris she is not a fucking model, and let her know! It's time to bring those instawhores off their pedestal gentlemen

Most models on milano catwalks are tall 6s and 7s with makeup

Post: #121

Fair enough

Post: #122

(04-16-2018 06:02 AM)REXslavicus Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 05:49 AM)Tintin Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 03:19 PM)REXslavicus Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 08:26 AM)Tintin Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 06:48 AM)Belarus1212 Wrote:  Your comment makes me suspect you have never went to Kiev . Girls there are on survival mode. I have some friends that are banging amazing girls on a regular basis, they are not good looking or dress well, but they have a stable presence in Kiev, and can provide for the girls who in exchange give them sexual pleasure. With the top tier girls, if anything, I could argue that you being too charming, good looking and good game can even work against you, as she will think that she won't be able to lock you down. I once went with a friend who is 190 and has model looks, he quickly left as the girls were still trying to lock him up where as in the west he is banging high quality in ONS and from tinder. Can you find the occasional 9 who has lived in the west and is attracted to a more 'western' approach? Yes, but it is the exception and not the norm. If you are good looking and good game, go to Moscow where girls are not in survival mode and will be able to appreciate those qualities in you

Average guys that bang amazing girls regularly in Ukraine = P4P, there are no exceptions.

Yea charm and too good looking (like me) can definitely work against you, you are too experienced for them.

I often spend my time with models in Ukraine, because they speak good English, and they have been overseas, the two things I look for most in a girl. So for me, girls leaving Ukraine to travel and work not such a bad thing at all.

I've dated 2 models here, they were around 7 in looks just very very tall. One had a intolerable personality. The whole models thing I never get, any girl whos 6"1 or 6"2 can be a model. Can you elaborate on what you mean and where you are meeting these girls, are you in Kiev?

Yes true thst it's too easy to be a model in Ukraine, for example im Turkey almost any girl 7 or above can model.

I often approach the hottest girls on the street, I'm good looking as well which helps.

To answer your other question I'm in and out of Ukraine regularly

Kiev or other cities in Ukraine? You speak Russian?

Not well. Odessa and Kiev mostly

Post: #123

(04-16-2018 04:02 AM)Batka Wrote:  These birds are solid 8s in my view. Some people here have ridiculous standards.

Note to self: If Batka says someday that a place is "a paradise filled with 8's+", don't go there - it means in fact that it's a dump filled with (at best) sub-7's.

Post: #124

(04-16-2018 12:18 PM)Tintin Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 06:02 AM)REXslavicus Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 05:49 AM)Tintin Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 03:19 PM)REXslavicus Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 08:26 AM)Tintin Wrote:  Average guys that bang amazing girls regularly in Ukraine = P4P, there are no exceptions.

Yea charm and too good looking (like me) can definitely work against you, you are too experienced for them.

I often spend my time with models in Ukraine, because they speak good English, and they have been overseas, the two things I look for most in a girl. So for me, girls leaving Ukraine to travel and work not such a bad thing at all.

I've dated 2 models here, they were around 7 in looks just very very tall. One had a intolerable personality. The whole models thing I never get, any girl whos 6"1 or 6"2 can be a model. Can you elaborate on what you mean and where you are meeting these girls, are you in Kiev?

Yes true thst it's too easy to be a model in Ukraine, for example im Turkey almost any girl 7 or above can model.

I often approach the hottest girls on the street, I'm good looking as well which helps.

To answer your other question I'm in and out of Ukraine regularly

Kiev or other cities in Ukraine? You speak Russian?

Not well. Odessa and Kiev mostly

Sent you a PM

Post: #125

(04-16-2018 01:26 PM)Count Pierre Wrote:  

(04-16-2018 04:02 AM)Batka Wrote:  These birds are solid 8s in my view. Some people here have ridiculous standards.

Note to self: If Batka says someday that a place is "a paradise filled with 8's+", don't go there - it means in fact that it's a dump filled with (at best) sub-7's.

@Count Pierre, I remember you said you don't like Kiev, what cities do you recommend?