Post: #26

(04-10-2018 07:39 AM)monsquid Wrote:  SMH at these idiots willingly doxxing themselves by showing attendance to this guy's bootcamp.

I was going to mentioned this. I think there was just one guy with a blurred face.
You have to sign a release form (accepting or declining) for this crap.
These dudes are totally clueless

Post: #27

(04-10-2018 04:12 AM)asdfk Wrote:  Before the anti-PUA trolls come in, there are legit coaches out there who do a lot of good by teaching men how to "game". They are just very hard to find. Sleazy marketeers like Justin Wayne further destroy market trust. Fuck him.

Yes, the legit ones are forum members with game who would be willing to help people in exchange for value added on the forum and a beer.

Post: #28

(04-10-2018 07:43 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 04:12 AM)asdfk Wrote:  Before the anti-PUA trolls come in, there are legit coaches out there who do a lot of good by teaching men how to "game". They are just very hard to find. Sleazy marketeers like Justin Wayne further destroy market trust. Fuck him.

Yes, the legit ones are forum members with game who would be willing to help people in exchange for value added on the forum and a beer.

I've never been to a bootcamp. Can't justify the exorbitant prices and the feeling that I'm getting baited by the same tactics that lure fat women to buy diet pills that have "doctors in disbelief." I do have some friends who've gone to various bootcamps. Most say they benefited but they would rather have kept their money.

Post: #29

I was very close to dropping a thousand dollars or something like that for a bootcamp before finding this forum. This forum is a godsend.

Post: #30

(04-10-2018 07:48 AM)monsquid Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 07:43 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 04:12 AM)asdfk Wrote:  Before the anti-PUA trolls come in, there are legit coaches out there who do a lot of good by teaching men how to "game". They are just very hard to find. Sleazy marketeers like Justin Wayne further destroy market trust. Fuck him.

Yes, the legit ones are forum members with game who would be willing to help people in exchange for value added on the forum and a beer.

I've never been to a bootcamp. Can't justify the exorbitant prices and the feeling that I'm getting baited by the same tactics that lure fat women to buy diet pills that have "doctors in disbelief." I do have some friends who've gone to various bootcamps. Most say they benefited but they would rather have kept their money.

Well, it's like fitness, as I'm reminded of the recent ROK article. There's always some new piece of equipment or workout that claims to get you results fast. Truth is that on the contrary game takes work. It takes logistics, fitness, and style, in addition to openers and kino and whatever else, a lot of which PUA types appear clueless about.

Effort is the product of a mindset that will give you consistent long term results. PUA bootcamps are a few hours and will keep you pumped for a week, maybe a month at most. The dollar to value ratio is horrendous.

Post: #31

Guy thought he'd made it big time by landing a Vice interview. "Big-time" mistake.

Post: #32

The thing with these interviews is unless you're someone like Jordan Peterson, there's no way in hell you can win really. JBP is effective in media given his tremendous knowledge of Western civilization, discourse, and key texts--but you can tell him having to run the media gauntlet is putting a lot of stress on him, and he says as much.

Back to the topic at hand: they (the media) have infinite time to prepare for these interviews, they have researchers to look up incriminating info about you even if it's out of context, they have the ability to select the pointman they want for the interview (in this case Elle Reeve, who specializes in making puas and alt right types look bad). Take notice, they surreptitiously recorded him and the girl when they were mic-ed up without their knowledge, this is classic MSM hatchet job (remind anyone of the Trump Access Hollywood thing?). Oh, and when it's all said and done they get to edit it. And if they still don't like there finished project, they just throw it out so it never sees the light of day.

Post: #33

"Hi. This is Vice. We are an edgy, advocacy group opposed to everything except Hillary Clinton and open borders. We'd like to come and interview you as you teach men how to score poon. For this job we are sending an uptalking cunt in hipster glasses to give you a fair hearing. Sound good? Good."

Post: #34

Dude was a scam artist from the start, you have to be to last in the PUA industry, probably banging some wannabees actress on the way.
Probably will go on the self-help niche giving seminars on "How to feel good about yourself making others feel good about themselves and getting a ton of cash on the way"

Post: #35

This is like a prominent Jewish scientist agreeing to an audience with Joseph Goebbels because "it might be interesting to pick his brain". Total lack of awareness.

Post: #36

(04-10-2018 10:10 AM)blck Wrote:  Dude was a scam artist from the start, you have to be to last in the PUA industry, probably banging some wannabees actress on the way.
Probably will go on the self-help niche giving seminars on "How to feel good about yourself making others feel good about themselves and getting a ton of cash on the way"

Justin Wayne is basically running P2P game. I have no doubt he can sometimes pull hot girls... but he isn't very tall, or handsome, and has a weird lisp. I've been to Miami and guys like him are a dime a dozen, there is no +2 just for being black down there like there is in 90% white areas. The girls in Miami are very well acquainted with black guys and know the quality dudes from the short, ugly, lisping, wanna bees.

With that said... his info about touching is solid. Touching is extremely important to women... I don't know why, but it is. One of the reasons dancing is so effective because its a socially acceptable reason to touch a woman all over.

Post: #37

Vice is absolute garbage but so is this guy. I really don't get it, even if you dismiss the fact that he's paying the women this is just some chubby ugly black guy, dressed in ghetto baggy clothes, gold chain, the backwards baseball cap, sunglasses inside, he looks like a clown, and this is supposed to be some pickup guru that other guys pay money to teach them about women? Some guys are so desperate that it's sad and pathetic.

Post: #38

Fuck - he is one piece of shit.

Of course it would be a hit job from Vice, but they picked that bloke carefully. I saw a few other articles on PUAs. Sometimes the reports were more like: "Shit, this stuff might work." So it's not so bad.

But here they have it on tape that he threatened a pretend-girlfriend. Not only is this bloke potentially dangerous, but he is simply dumb. Why even pretend that they are his girlfriends at all? Just say that they are girls hired as props for the teaching.

Nick Krauser and other credible guys with solid Game dug into the bloke some years ago already:

http://marriedgamedenialist.blogspot.com...aynes.html

http://marriedgamedenialist.blogspot.com...beans.html

Quote:We've been discussing Justin Wayne on this blog and in my forum a couple of times. His spiel is that he is a "PUA" from an ethnic minority and regularly pulls "supermodel caliber" women. He does belong to an ethnic minority, yet Justin Wayne's success rate is much worse than he wants to make us believe. This alone is enough to rebuke his boisterous claims about his "mad skillz" with the ladies.

Yesterday, I received an email from an ex-girlfriend of Justin Wayne who revealed what really goes on behind the scenes. Her revelations completely discredit this "PUA". She claims that Justin ran a "fake MTV group", and was convincing girls that they would be part of an MTV reality show! It seems that Justin Wayne is a seedy black version of AFC Adam.

You may think that anybody can claim anything in an email, but the proof she offered was convincing enough since she revealed the real name of Justin Wayne, too. This is "Justin Wayne":

Quote:Here is Natascha's email:

Quote:Okay so I'm a pissed off ex of justin wayne (his real name is marcus nero),when i met him he went under the alias of "subliminal" and so I'd like to share the truth with you about some of those "girlfriends" he has on his website. Two of them namely "elaine" and "Natascha" (those are not real names) he did not met off of "cold appoarch" as you guys call it. He ran a fake mtv girl group, where he convinced 25 of us, that we were going to be apart of a some kind of MTV reality show.

The story on how he met elaine is fake, and he better not post anything about me. I wish to stay anonymous in this fight, the email provided is not real, but if you really wish to contact me, make a post on your sight.

I sugguest you ask justin to produce a video of me(natascha) explaining how i met him. Which I obviously will not do

Thanks

I thank you, Natascha! If you want to share anything else with the world about your ex Justin Wayne, then please contact me again or post in the comments section below.

So, Justin Wayne, do you want to take up Natascha's suggestion?

The problem with Vice is of course that they are throwing any seduction expert into the same pot with pedophiles and other scum. Of course we know here that a video on the migrant crisis/Holocoust etc. gets instantly de-monatized while the pedophiles are allowed to rake in cash while they film bathing children in pedo-poses.

Justin Wayne sound like some dumb piece of crap who is not above using fake MTV casting stints, cash and other ruses. Of course he manages to fuck some girls - in his case one could wonder whether he actually uses manipulation. Posing like an MTV producer goes even beyond sugardaddy posing, because the latter is more honest.

This crap will continue either way until humanity starts creating Red Pill/psychology and science of seduction classes in universities. At least then the scientific precepts will be all set - only the individual applications will differ.

Until then you will find hacks and real deals using the same words - like MDs used to be in the past:



It's usually bad for business to say:

"Alright gents - this is the first step on a long voyage of self-improvement. It will be fast and quick for some and it will hard and arduous for others. The end goal is for everyone to get better with women and I can help you with that. But most of the work will be done by yourself, your diet, your workout, your daily self-improvement, the approaches you do etc. Also your individual goals will vary strongly. And if you get into a relationship, then a whole new chapter of relationship management and Red Pill awareness needs to be opened."

It's usually better to state:

"Wanna get this model here in your bed? I will show you how to turn her and get in her bed with one simple trick!"

Post: #39

Quote:Detailed Breakdown of Justin Wayne's "Social Circle Game"
Thanks to an anonymous commenter, we now know how elaborate Justin Wayne's scam was. It turned out that he not only played the girls, telling them they could get on TV. He actually pitched his little fake MTV group to some desperate guys in the pickup community who paid a lot of money to have access to this "social circle."

You have to marvel at this: on the one hand Justin Wayne promises girls that he'll make them famous. You know, all they have to do is cooperate a little bit here and there. This gets him laid, he puts some videos on his website, and at the same time, he turns around, and tells some guys that if they only pay him enough money, he'll teach them about social circle game.

In one corner we've got gullible girls, in the other desperate guys, and in the middle is Justin Wayne trying his best to profit from both. He took the cash from the guys, and sex from the girls. The setup was even more treacherous, as the following message shows:

http://marriedgamedenialist.blogspot.com...aynes.html

This is also another breakdown.

He tells some poor EE/FSU women that he is doing an MTV shoot, creates some kind of "social circle" with the women. Gives them some coke.

Then lets 5 guys pay thousands of dollars to get also a few of those girls - to show them how it's done.

"You fake to be an MTV/Hollywood producer, then get a bunch of chumps to believe you and pay thousands of dollars for your snake-oil."

Post: #40

What a fucking clown...

Post: #41

Good BS tells in the parts of the video where he has to make excuses for what was picked up on the hot mics:

- "Did you just say you weren't going to pay her? I thought she's your GF, why would you need to pay her to show up?"

- "Well she's my GF, but she's from [foreign country] so she knows I take care of her, I don't have to do that, I was just trying to keep her in line letting her know I won't keep taking care of her if she makes me look bad"

Actually a decent re-frame in a tight spot, making it seem like he's some pimp and "pay her" meant "keep being her daddy" rather than "pay her for this fake GF appearance".

HOWEVER

He employs the classic BS tell of speeding up and pitching up his voice during the lie, thus sub-communicating "I am working overtime to create this BS story".

If he kept his voice lower and steadier and slower, he at least would have made Reeves have to work a bit harder to make him come off as awfully dishonest as he did.

[Edit: you'd think with the big sunglasses, he had enough of a "lie shield" and it would be even easier to maintain frame, but everything else gave it away.]

Post: #42

I didn't see the interview, but this news doesn't surprise me. I remember back when I was just getting rolling in the Game, Justin Wayne (or as he was sometimes known by the ostensibly cooler-sounding "Marcus Nero") was among the 1st of these dues I was looking over, and from the start, he had this incredulous air about him. The whole business of this smarmy upstart type, with his unassuming thug persona, pulling chick after chick in the 8+ range back to his place within 15 mins. of his approach. The clips were entertaining, but even then, at the preliminary stage of learning I was in at the time, I still felt the material to be highly questionable. As has been mentioned all ready above, scrotes like this dude cast a negative light on the good things we're trying to do here.

Post: #43

geez He really got destroyed.

I will say though, that shit were he was talking about weapons... I've always suspected Justin of not being legit and paying girls for infields, but that shit is just creepy.

Post: #44

I haven't seen much PUA stuff (I came across this board a couple of years ago via a Trump thread.) The guys in his "bootcamp" are all above average attractiveness. Really sad indictment on society if they need to pay for help to get laid.

Post: #45

(04-09-2018 05:49 PM)Markcrist Wrote:  

I don't understand how he sings like a bird to that hit piece reporter. Did her body language and her inquisitive tone not ring his alarm bells? Keeping your frame is good advice, but not with enemies that want to take you down.

It's interesting, she also interviewed Christopher Cantwell, and likewise, he relaxed - and then bragged about how he would use his weapons in the next ethnic revolution or something like that.

Post: #46

(04-10-2018 02:58 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  Vice is absolute garbage but so is this guy. I really don't get it, even if you dismiss the fact that he's paying the women this is just some chubby ugly black guy, dressed in ghetto baggy clothes, gold chain, the backwards baseball cap, sunglasses inside, he looks like a clown, and this is supposed to be some pickup guru that other guys pay money to teach them about women? Some guys are so desperate that it's sad and pathetic.

This is one of the big mysteries of the world. It is extremely difficult to predict who is a good salesman before you see him in action. And since PUA comes down to sales... there are duds in the game who you think must be perfect, but are not; and then there are little lisping weasels that draw a lot of tail. Probably the IDGAF attitude is off the chain. But you don't see that from a few videos. Sure, maybe all his "infield" videos are paid prostitutes, but not necessarily so.

Post: #47

This guy really brought all this shit on himself. I find myself debating with feminist and soy boys at least once a month and they go harder than this "reporter" did.

He should have paused after every question and gave his brain time to process.
He should have addressed every question directly and not circumvent it.
He should have spoken clearly and slowly, not stammer on his words and beg for water because his mouth was dry.
He should have known he was busted when asked about the paying his "Girlfriend". I would have said yes, I agreed to pay her because she deserves to be compensated for her time and blah blah blah.
He should have corrected the mischaracterizations like a man instead of stammering around like a bitch.

I have not liked Justine Wayne since the beginning. Any person with a social intelligence level one standard deviation above autism could see the women in his videos were paid "actresses" reading a script. I'm glad Vice busted this fool, he hurt the culture way more than any slander piece could have. Like stated before, when my game wasn't so tight, I met forum members who only charged me a laugh and splitting a round of beers for knowledge and self-improvement. Not fucking $999

-CD

Post: #48

Saw his final video.

https://youtu.be/WQVud-5O788
(Can't embed, I'm on mobile)

You can see the girl is being forced. Bet he blames her for ending his "career" and gave her a beating. You can watch her body language. It saddening.

It's a waste of good-looking girl. Guess she's from Romania. Saw him as a ticket-out-of-poverty and now she's stuck with that idiot.

WNBDG (Would Not Bang Damaged Goods).

Post: #49

Dude was a dingbat .took himself out the paint.

Post: #50

(04-11-2018 04:33 PM)Psygnosis89 Wrote:  I haven't seen much PUA stuff (I came across this board a couple of years ago via a Trump thread.) The guys in his "bootcamp" are all above average attractiveness. Really sad indictment on society if they need to pay for help to get laid.

I think the combination here is also that guys think they should be getting much better than the 5s and 6s that surround them in this culture, and that's exponentially harder when women are indeed that bad: the 7s and 8s become unbelievably inflated in "value" (looks, since that's all they have here).