Post: #176

Acapulco 1980:





Mexico was not rich in the 1970s and 80s, but it was stable in it's own right.

Something happened to the country starting in the 1980s - and I would bet my left nutsack that it had something to do with the Big Boys who wanted to start the stampede to the US.

Though of course - it takes two to tango.

Post: #177

(01-26-2018 12:35 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  The Aztecs were racially homogeneous

We wouldnt know, conquistadors left very few of them alive.

But then they had the Tlaxcaltecs, the Olmecs, the Tultecs, the Chichimecs, the Purepechs, the Huastecs, the Totonacs, and at least 2 dozen others from which they took slaves, women and hostages every season, each one of them with their own language, culture and traditions.

Oh, you mean they all where "racially homogenous" because they where all brown?

Post: #178

Racially though, they were very homogeneous by global standards, because their common ancestors crossed the Bering Straight about 15,000 years ago. There's been plenty of time and space for cultural differentiation across the centuries, but pre-Columbian America is not the complex racial jumble of the old world.

Post: #179

Boots on the ground opinion?

Post: #180

I know a few Eskimos, Cree and Mi’kmaq in Canada and have run into a few indigenous people in Mexico and South America over the years, each tribe varied in looks just as much as native Europeans do, if not more.

Post: #181

(01-30-2018 03:27 AM)scotian Wrote:  I know a few Eskimos, Cree and Mi’kmaq in Canada and have run into a few indigenous people in Mexico and South America over the years, each tribe varied in looks just as much as native Europeans do, if not more.

Eskimos are a culture apart, having adapted to the most extreme climactic environment on earth, they probably are very similar to the original Siberian tribes that have crossed the Bering to colonize the Americas.

But if you look south at typical North American tribes though, Lakota, Sioux, Mohawks etc, they are a whole lot more like like Aztecs, located 4,000-5,000km south, than say, the Germanic tribes are like those located 5,000km south in sub-Saharian Africa, or 5,000km east in the Central Asian steppes. You have people with straight, jet-black hair and brown eyes across the Americas from Alaska to Patagonia.

Post: #182

More proof there's no need for a wall

Quote:Remains of 240 people who were dissolved in barrels of acid and then buried in trenches by a SINGLE hitman known as ‘The Soup Maker’ have been discovered in Mexico as authorities say he could have killed 650



- Authorities believe the mass graves are the work of hitman Santiago Meza Lopez nicknamed The Soup Maker
- The hitman was arrested in 2009 for 300 murders and confessed to disposing hundreds of victims' bodies
- He got his nickname for his method of using acid to dissolve victims in barrels and pouring remains into pits
- Judging by amount of organic material, officials think 650 bodies are buried in the mass graves in Tijuana

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...exico.html

Post: #183

The current frontrunner in the election is a guy who is very similar to Chavez and still likes what is happening in Venezuela. If Mexicans elect that bloke, then a border wall is necessary because otherwise 50% of their population will want to leave in a few years.

Post: #184

Damn! I was thinking of moving to Mexico for 2019 - I've never been... will I just be shot dead on arrival?

Post: #185

(03-30-2018 04:00 AM)Sandstorm Wrote:  Damn! I was thinking of moving to Mexico for 2019 - I've never been... will I just be shot dead on arrival?

Of course not! You'll first be raped and/or forced to fight as a gladiator, then they'll finish you off with a machete. Why would anyone want to shoot you?

On a more serious note, I'm sure you can an ordinary and safe life in Mexico, but you have to pick your region wisely.

Post: #186

(03-30-2018 02:30 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  The current frontrunner in the election is a guy who is very similar to Chavez and still likes what is happening in Venezuela. If Mexicans elect that bloke, then a border wall is necessary because otherwise 50% of their population will want to leave in a few years.

I know some professional Mexicans who swear they will emigrate if "AMLO" wins. They're gathering up their documents already.

Me, I'm not sure AMLO will be a disaster for Mexico. In some ways, he reminds me of a certain other populist president on the north side of the border.

Post: #187

Yeah I can totally see Hillary being the same as AMLO ^

Post: #188

(03-30-2018 11:31 AM)ElFlaco Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 02:30 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  The current frontrunner in the election is a guy who is very similar to Chavez and still likes what is happening in Venezuela. If Mexicans elect that bloke, then a border wall is necessary because otherwise 50% of their population will want to leave in a few years.

I know some professional Mexicans who swear they will emigrate if "AMLO" wins. They're gathering up their documents already.

Me, I'm not sure AMLO will be a disaster for Mexico. In some ways, he reminds me of a certain other populist president on the north side of the border.

I am putting money that Mexico's Bernie Sanders is going to win. I mean, he is basically taking a page straight out of the left-wing Chavista book and the gullible Mexicans that are supporting him are buying it hook, line and sinker! If I were America, if that wall is not built and soon, then the southern border is literally going to be a war zone. Skirmishes that have been reported now will seem like child's play compared to the hell coming soon.

Post: #189

I think it’s highly region-dependent. I have spent a lot of time recently in Mexico City and have felt very safe at all times of the day or night.

Post: #190

(03-30-2018 07:12 PM)Stirfry Wrote:  I think it’s highly region-dependent. I have spent a lot of time recently in Mexico City and have felt very safe at all times of the day or night.

Why ofcourse.

Not many places to have large amounts of corpses cut up and thrown in shallow graves or barrels full of acid without nosey neighbours snooping around. Not many places to grow weed or cook other drugs in peace either.

I think the peace also has something to do with the many thousands of heavily armed marines and other troops in that city seeing as it was the world kidnapping capital of the world and it wouldn't be a good idea to have cartels zooming around with .30 and .50 cal weaponry mounted on their 4x4 American brand trucks shooting up some wedding because 1 or 2 people there were associated with a rival gang/cartel.

Fuck that countrys criminals and the government and society which enables them.

Post: #191

^ AMLO would grant amnesty to the cartels, and decree plaza ownership among players, which would take the country back to the good old days of PRI enforced Narco Peace. Its not perfect but i'll take an induced coma over death anyday of the week.

Post: #192

Plaza guys get taken off the streets and cut up on video for all sorts of reasons and you think an amnesty with government sanctioned zones will stop human nature?

Heres how you can kill the cartels.

> Build a wall
> stop the CIA operations
> stop the arms flowing south
> start killing off the players, imprison the banksters and financers helping them
> burn the drug farms
> seize ALL assets in banks and foreign territories

And last but not least, kill the guys who are professionals and leave nothing for them to pass on.

But this will not change a society completely so it needs to be a two way street.

Post: #193

(03-31-2018 07:20 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Plaza guys get taken off the streets and cut up on video for all sorts of reasons and you think an amnesty with government sanctioned zones will stop human nature?

Heres how you can kill the cartels.

> Build a wall
> stop the CIA operations
> stop the arms flowing south
> start killing off the players, imprison the banksters and financers helping them
> burn the drug farms
> seize ALL assets in banks and foreign territories

And last but not least, kill the guys who are professionals and leave nothing for them to pass on.

But this will not change a society completely so it needs to be a two way street.

The US is reputed to make hundreds of billions for black-ops via drug trade.

All those steps above won't last since it is too profitable.

The only thing that would work is legalization, limitation of some drugs to pharmacies and education. Cocaine, weed, morphine even opium was all legal going back to the 1910-20s.

I would even legalize heroine, but put it on severe restrictions so that you need to go to a special doctor/medical care to get it. Other drugs like meth or crack would disappear completely, since they are only substitutes to more expensive superior drugs.

It's currently impossible to win against an industry that makes 500-1000+ bio. $ a year. That financial power is at best superficial sugar for the US, but too great a destructive force in many poorer countries. When the beast is starved and anyone can buy his cocaine at his cocaine and liquor store, then it's game over for the cartels. A starved beast is a dead beast.

Post: #194

I'm not willing to legalize cocaine to help Mexico.
Fuck 'em.

Post: #195

Post: #196

For those of you who are interested, today is the Mexican presidential debate. Should be interesting to see.






There's Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador aka "AMLO" winning in the polls, he's the anti-Trump populist and consider him the Bernie Sanders of Mexico and even proposed his "Anti-Trump Plan" saying that Pena Nieto has been too soft on Trump and garnered lots of Mexican nationalism and pride among the populace. The guy doesn't speak English and refuses to learn it for this purpose.






AMLO makes man cry






Then you got Ricardo Anaya

Very elitist at 38 years old, knows 5 languages from the PAN party. Very establishment and is seen as something new. Is the strongest challenger against AMLO






Then there's Jose Antonio Meade of the PRI party who I have doubts will do much of anything considering the fact that Pena Nieto's presidency is extremely unpopular. Like Pena Nieto, Meade went to school in the U.S. at Yale University. Very much an establishment candidate.





Videos are in spanish

Post: #197

(03-31-2018 08:01 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  I'm not willing to legalize cocaine to help Mexico.
Fuck 'em.

Then do it to help ourselves. They're not the only ones benefiting.

Post: #198

It's hard to see any candidate other than AMLO winning, they just don't have his charisma.

The man's last name means "worker." It's like "trump," as far as branding.

It's also hard to see AMLO surviving to make it all the way to taking the reins of power.

I'm hoping AMLO has seen what's happened in Brazil and Venezuela lately and will avoid getting both himself and the country involved in disasters.

And if he doesn't and it's a disaster, well maybe it's what Mexico needs, for the establishment to be burned to the ground, metaphorically, in order for folks to learn from the mistakes made and to build a better country.

This is going to be fascinating for political junkies.

Post: #199

(04-22-2018 02:25 PM)DarkTriad Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 08:01 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  I'm not willing to legalize cocaine to help Mexico.
Fuck 'em.

Then do it to help ourselves. They're not the only ones benefiting.

Don't put that crap in your body.

Post: #200

(04-22-2018 03:01 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  It's hard to see any candidate other than AMLO winning, they just don't have his charisma.

Watching the debate live. So far they've been accusing each other of being the most corrupt.

AMLO seems the most confident in his body language and voice. Makes sense, since he has the most experience as a speaker/politician and has a strong lead in the polls. But he goes off track when he starts citing statistics.

Anaya is the beta candidate, too intellectual and nerdy looking.

Meade looks presidential enough but is the establishment candidate, associated with the current government that is not at all popular.

El Bronco is a minor/independent candidate. He just suggested cutting off the hands of bad guys and claims he wasn't joking. That should get him some attention.

Zavala, wife of a ex president, is also a minor/independent candidate. She has a tough persona and I can see her being popular with women but she is low in the polls.

The moderators are decent, nothing like the clowns who moderated the 2016 US debates.

None of these candidates are 'master persuaders' in the Scott Adams sense. They're talking to the moderator and to each other rather than thinking about how their message and image will resonate with the voters watching at home.