Post: #26

I don’t blame millennials for trying to avoid working during school and college at all - given that the value of academic qualifications has decreased but the cost as increased.

Post: #27

(03-31-2018 02:19 AM)N°6 Wrote:  I don’t blame millennials for trying to avoid working during school and college at all - given that the value of academic qualifications has decreased but the cost as increased.

Wouldn't that be just more motivation to work on the side and save money?

Post: #28

I think there was a period that was at it's peak starting from about 10 years ago until now that a lot of young adults were marched into a life of student debt servitude while being trapped in a shitty job market by the time they graduated college.

I don't think it falls 100% to a high school graduate to be able to see the writing on the wall. They're still just kids. The prevailing advice at the time was still simply "pick something you like and get a degree".

Talk about shit advice from lazy parents. People from that era are justified in being just a little bit angry about where they've ended up in life, but they have their parents to blame for that, not the boomers.

Post: #29

The main beef with the boomers comes from the fact that they defined themselves as, or allowed their generation to be defined (speaking about boomer "conservatives" here) as one that "sought to make great changes" because they thought they knew better than our forefathers, and...oh I don't know...thousands of years of human history...and that we are now dealing with much of the fallout from such poor, arrogant decision making.

Most of the cultural changes that occurred because of the boomers, occurred during the 60's when they were still young, feckless, and bratty. Their parents really should be more to blame. Why are most millennials faggy soyboys or feminists? Because their parents were boomers. Ok so who raised the boomers?

I think the greatest generation probably could have cracked the whip harder on them than they did. Hell this was BEFORE every institution in the fucking country had been taken over by card-carrying marxists, so what fucking excuse do they have for letting this happen on their watch?

@PapayaTapper

Quote:So what exactly does boomers' points of view have to do with the outcomes you desire in your life as of now and moving forward?

Kinda funny how neither of those posters had an answer. Probably haven't thought much further than finger pointing and the sky is falling rhetoric.

So in summary...yes boomers suck. My personal bone to pick with them is the rise of cheesy corporate america crap. I hate that shit. They also inherited the most prosperous economy ever to exist and somehow turned it into a massive debt. But PT is right...what are you going to do about it? Because that's what matters.

I think the hatred from the right of the boomers is more aimed at cuckservatives, which are basically boomer conservatives. They seemed to be (and still seem to be) utterly ineffectual. Thus far, they have not even managed to conserve the women's restroom...literally. They love to bitch about the media, but never developed their alternatives (fox news is the exception) and in the big picture LOST THE CULTURE by being so fucking uncool. That actually started with George HW and not Reagan. HW's had a slogan "A kinder and gentler America" or something to that affect.

Where Boomer Leftists seemed cutthroat, cunning, brutal, and evil..they were EFFECTIVE. Right wing boomers, not so much.

Post: #30

Perhaps not. When only 10-20% went to university when the elite boomers came of age, a graduate could still get a well paid job with a Third or a 2:2 and thus he could afford to lose study time with a part-time job.

Also, student labour has largely been replaced by more reliable migrant labour. When the boomers were young, Western labour markets were closed shops owing to widespread acceptance of the reserve labour pool theory.

In the boomers’ defence, they tended to live more spartan student lives (living in dorms and eating in college canteens) as access to usury was limited.

Post: #31

^^Fair points.

Regarding the raising of Boomers, it was only natural; the Greatest Generation grew up during the Great Depression/Dust Bowl, then lived through World War II. That's essentially 16 straight years of insanity that most of us can't even imagine. This is what Millenials don't get when they rail against the post-war period too; a white picket fence, Leave It To Beaver lifestyle wasn't Hell, it was a blessing after the previous 16 years for many. Anyway, the Greatests were bound to spoil their kids rotten after what they went through. The fact that they inherited the greatest economy ever didn't help matters.

Or put another way:

Post: #32

(03-31-2018 01:56 AM)Super_Fire Wrote:  Well, apparently Millenials have the worst high school employment rate ever, so there's some truth to that. Aside from guys like us, Millenials have the worst work ethic in the history of mankind.

According to the (Obama) White House:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/sit...report.pdf

Quote:Millennials, in particular, have been less likely to work while enrolled in high school. Since 2000, labor force participation rates among high school and college students have fallen more sharply than those who are not enrolled...The result is that more students are focused exclusively on their studies during school years.

Lazier high school students or fewer jobs available to high school students?

Post: #33

You guys assume somehow that the boomer generation created itself.

They were the first ones who were bombarded beginning in the 1950s and then continuing in the 1960s with cultural marxism 24/7.

"Don't trust anyone above 30." was designed to make them distrust the previous generations.
All the rebel movies that Hollywood spat out in the 1950s with James Dean were designed to spit at the previous generations. Those movies were clever propaganda of making the "old guys" who fought in WWII and lived through the depression appear like capitalist squares.

Outright communism was beginning to be taught at universities and if you look back at the 60s and the 70s even there was a lot of actually marxist leaning in the US at least for certain parts of the country.

Generations only partly are shaped organically in our times. Most of it is done by the media, entertainment, current-day economic and political climate, wars and lack of wars. Fucault and other intellectual thinkers came into being back in the 1960s, there was also Vietnam with the boomers fighting that conflict - never forget that. Rambo was a boomer as well.

The advice that boomers give about college, rolling up your sleeves and going to work is based on the fact that they had it simply easier. In the 1960s a lowly unskilled steel mill workers could pay down a house in 10 years, pay for 2 cars, a non-working house wife and 2 kids. That began to change in the 1970s and was only ameliorated in the 80s due to an economic boom and the advent of credit cards and the necessity to women to start working to keep up with the same lifestyle.

Generation X came upon a totally different time that was rather directionless, but the indoctrination picked up a notch with the Millennial. Also Xers and Millennials each have deteriorating economic conditions (more immigration, less entry level and teenager-jobs, lower real disposable income, more competition, massive off-shoring, huge cost-ratio of education).

In the 1970s you could have most college degrees for almost nothing - tuitions were low for almost all except the elite schools. And college meant something.
Millennials in contrast are met with college that is more a leftist indoctrination gulag and one that lets you pay an arm and a leg.

Also in terms of economics - the unskilled steel worker from the 1960s made more money in tersm of real disposable income than a middle manager at most corporations in the 2010s. You just don't realize it as much as anyone is in debt through the eyeballs, both spouses are working, credit cards are readily available and loaded up and the mortgage runs 30 years instead of the 10 years that was common in the 60s and even 70s.

The boomers don't know better.
The Xes don't know better.
The Millennials don't know better.
And the Zs might know better, but they haven't hit college yet - most of them - so we don't know how bad those fuckers will turn out.

To break free from all of that would have meant that you have access to knowledge in order to see it as propaganda and see beyond it - also understand the underlying forces trying to shape your mind and accept the changing nature of the environment. Advice form the 1960s would not have helped you in the 80s, 90s and certainly not 2010s. And the climate is changing ever faster.

The indoctrination continues unabated in this late stage of Rome.

Post: #34

(03-31-2018 08:00 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  In the 1970s you could have most college degrees for almost nothing - tuitions were low for almost all except the elite schools. And college meant something.
Millennials in contrast are met with college that is more a leftist indoctrination gulag and one that lets you pay an arm and a leg.

I just want to note that US universities are among the most capistalistic institutions on earth, as they own much of the property in their cities, granting entrance into the middle class and the professions. The richer ones are run by Goldman Sachs and Wall street. Compare that with Europe, where universities are owned by the state.

You could still call US universities "neo-marxist," and explain the banks that own them "globalist." But that is hard to swallow when there is a much more obvious and more plausible explanation. US universities embody classical American liberalism. Identity politics and capitalism go hand in hand. This bullshit originated in America, not Europe.

Post: #35

My parents are boomers and have a very solid grip on reality but the general point many make is that boomers have lost the plot and give terrible advice to younger generations.

Many have minimal understanding of the modern job market, minimal awareness of the importance that relative inflation in wages & real estate has on housing affordability and don’t understand technology, cryptocurrency or developments in automation.

Post: #36

My parents are boomers and have a very solid grip on reality but the general point many make is that boomers have lost the plot and give terrible advice to younger generations.

Many have minimal understanding of the modern job market, minimal awareness of the important inflation in wages & real estate has on housing affordability and don’t understand technology, cryptocurrency or developments in automation.

Post: #37

(03-31-2018 09:22 AM)churros Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 08:00 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  In the 1970s you could have most college degrees for almost nothing - tuitions were low for almost all except the elite schools. And college meant something.
Millennials in contrast are met with college that is more a leftist indoctrination gulag and one that lets you pay an arm and a leg.

I just want to note that US universities are among the most capistalistic institutions on earth, as they own much of the property in their cities, granting entrance into the middle class and the professions. The richer ones are run by Goldman Sachs and Wall street. Compare that with Europe, where universities are owned by the state.

You could still call US universities "neo-marxist," and explain the banks that own them "globalist." But that is hard to swallow when there is a much more obvious and more plausible explanation. US universities embody classical American liberalism. Identity politics and capitalism go hand in hand. This bullshit originated in America, not Europe.

If you honestly think that university tuitions across the entire country went up like crazy just because of capitalism and they did it organically, then I cannot help you mate.

The crap has been on the rise for two reasons:

1) Ability of every student to get government funded almost unlimited student debt - get every serf started with debt makes for obedient serfs

2) All the diversity and political stuff costs cash like Diversity Commissars who make 350.000$/year and the administrative staff is as big as the teaching staff. In the past the teachers were over 90% of the staff and administration was a tiny part - sometimes the teachers did part of the administrative tasks.

This is not something organic, but is top-down and has jack-shit to do with true liberalism. John Taylor Gatto and Charlotte Izerbyt Thompson detailed all of this in massive books.

Post: #38

(03-31-2018 09:53 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  ...

OK but the debt model is widespread in America, and an idiosyncratic part of US capitalism. Credit cards, homes, cars. No?

To focus on diversity bureaucrats is a little disingenuous. I hate it as much as you do. But bloat is omnipresent in universities, due to their expansion into property, sports, and so on.

Bloat comes from HR. HR is essentially a capitalistic managerial enterprise. They allow the owners (Goldman Sachs) to control and passify the serfs.

Post: #39

(03-31-2018 09:36 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  My parents are boomers and have a very solid grip on reality but the general point many make is that boomers have lost the plot and give terrible advice to younger generations.

Many have minimal understanding of the modern job market, minimal awareness of the important inflation in wages & real estate has on housing affordability and don’t understand technology, cryptocurrency or developments in automation.

A very succinct post, bearing out my experience that the ones who do get it are very sympathetic; sadly most don't/aren't.

Post: #40

What happened to godfather dust?

The OP was actually a very level headed and mature post for someone as young as thirty. He is seeing through the matrix to the divide and conquer strategies that keep us at each others' throats while the elite sip sweet tea with gold flakes in it so they get shiny shits.

Millennials, Gen X, and Boomers are far more like each other than they are different from each other, and have more in common with each than they do with people from most of the rest of the world of any age.

Just like Western women have far more privilege than any other group in history except for a tiny minority of rich white guys.

Dialectics abide.

I'm a tail end boomer, too young for Woodstock, Vietnam, Free Love, and you know what? My parents, Silent Generation folk, were the ones smoking weed and wearing hippie leather jackets and peace signs, and squandering money on weird projects, and getting all New Age and pop psych in their views, giving loads of bad advice, and living the bad advice they gave.

When I think of all the insane people they invited over for dinner, or just to *rap,* it gives me the shakes. Brainless hippies who thought they had all the answers with no visible means of support, for their lives or their ideas. My siblings and I just would look at each other and roll our eyes at the insane adults who had no clue. Sometimes we would get in trouble for imitating the accents and affectations of speech of these people at the dinner table.

I am in a way confirming what Zelco was saying, looking back and seeing the social engineering for what it was, but also, just saying, that all the things you guys are saying about boomers, many of them true, we were saying about our parents of the Silent Generation and it was equally true.

Also, back then, trust for politicians was still higher as well as information sparser, so you couldn't Google something, you had to really go and search out information you wanted, and, like all people of every generation, when someone is telling you what you want to hear, you don't sweat the details.

I wouldn't even be surprised if defining yourself as your generation is something cooked up in the think tanks of the elite institution in order to alienate people from each other, and generation from generation.

It's working pretty good.

(P.S. That Heather MacDonald is criminally underappreciated.)

Post: #41

It seems like everyone's talking about millenials and boomers... gen x is out here sneaking around doing whatever the hell we want. We did have a lot better economic situations than the millenials came of age in.

Post: #42

I am reminded when thinking about this topic about what Alan Watt has often said - each generation since quite a long time has been receiving a separate set of propaganda. This has been happening a long time already - certainly way over a century just with an increase in control and extent.

You can take a look at this one talk by Alan Watt that was visualized well by someone.

I remember how the British generals sent in countless men to die in front of heavy machine gun fire. They did this to eliminate the masculine more resistant male generation. They knew very well that it was militarily futile, since you cannot storm heavy machine gun defenses with simple guns and bayonets.

Back then those generations received their sets of propaganda, their rising push for feminism and simplistic views of things.

Some changes just take decades and multiple generations to mature.

We are not there at the intended system yet, but the new generation is getting closer to the target.

The idea that the boomers as an entire generation were responsible for the changes in the last decades is about as preposterous as accusing the Millennials for becoming crazy SJWs.

The only thing that you can accuse them is to not have resisted the propaganda despite having contrary info at their disposal. But even the boomers were hit with their own set of indoctrination just like the so-called "greatest generation" were hit with theirs. It was just far more sane by current standards.

Sure - the current set of indoctrination is much more severe, but the boomers were not so bad - they were just mostly clueless. Some of them were crazy hippies, but many were hard workers who had a rather simple outlook on life that worked well for them even if it was misguided. I still rate them and their level of indoctrination as superior to the Millennials and probably the coming generation Zers.





We don't know how crazy those fucks will turn out.

Post: #43

(03-30-2018 11:10 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 05:51 PM)TigOlBitties Wrote:  Boomers do give a lot of shitty advice, especially regarding college.

They say go to college to find yourself and get an education, or you'll be a loser without it. Meanwhile in reality, you don't need a bunch of useless classes to be educated in today's world. We have easy access to an incredible amount of information. You also don't need adult day care, I mean college, to find yourself. This can be accomplished by working multiple jobs after high school, travelling, volunteering, researching things on your own, meeting people on your own, etc.

They give feel good advice and say to major in your passion. This may have worked in the past when any bachelor's degree was still impressive and the costs weren't out of control, but the economy is different and the amount of people going to college has skyrocketed, diminishing the value of a degree. And to add to this point, they don't stress the importance of keeping college costs/debt as low as possible, and how important it is to graduate with an employable degree, or at the very least have a plan for why you're going to college.

A lot of conservative boomers will rightfully bitch about the Marxists on campuses brainwashing their kids and creating insane SJWs. But then they'll still send their kids to these colleges, and pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in the process, further contributing to the problem and keeping cockcucker leftists in positions of power.

Boomers also act like blue collar workers are losers, when many of these guys are making six figures without any debt, make more than many college graduates and have better job satisfaction and all kinds of career opportunities. It's also possible to work white collar jobs without a degree, mainly in things like sales, tech, supply chain, etc. But no one ever mentions this.

You don't need college to be successful, and in many cases it will make becoming successful even harder. It should only be utilized for people that desire careers that actually require certain degrees.

Ill ask you the same question...So what exactly does boomers' points of view have to do with the outcomes you desire in your life as of now and moving forward?

As of the past few years and moving forward, the boomers' points of view mean nothing to me. I decided to ignore their college and career advice, and I'm much happier. Their relationship advice is terrible as well. Most of us would end up worshipping women, divorced raped and miserable if we listened to them.

But the point of the post wasn't about me. It was about how shitty, out of date advice from boomers has consequences. College is a great example because of how many younger people are enslaved with debt, chasing unfulfilling careers in a less prosperous economy, majoring in useless nonsense and/or being indoctrinated by insane leftists on campuses. These are prime years of a person's life that could be spent on more productive and enriching experiences.

Boomer parents, teachers and guidance counselors basically indoctrinated their kids into thinking college is necessary to be successful. Ultimately younger people have to admit their poor decisions, but it's hard to place all the blame on them when that's all they've been taught for 18-22 years.

Post: #44

Millenials in the west have seen first hand what low level immigration has done to the economics of 'getting started'.

Jobs that 16yo boys would traditionally do are being staffed by middle aged immigrant men. That should piss millenials off, but it doesn't seem to like it does to GenX. Instead they took on debt and went to university to 'out educate' those in the running for entry level jobs. This is partly to do with boomers love of higher ed.

In support of the boomers, of which my parents are from. They grew up poor and many had no trappings of luxury - especially outside the cities. This is where the ribbing of country vs city started. When country kids went into the cities for school they really were wide eyed and looked out of place. The city kids made it worse by widening the divide, when they didn't have to. But kids are kids.

I blame boomers for some things but I also find blame to be a waste of time. Some boomers are barely able to hold new thoughts together from years of toxic food and drugs. Some are sharp as a whip (usually those who work with their hands). Any younger generation blaming an older one needs to look at what the hell it means to have sacrifice and diligence. There are plenty of mentors out there who end up spending their years 'mentoring' GenX because of the mistrust and disrespect many of millenials have for boomers, and vise versa.

Post: #45

(03-31-2018 10:12 AM)churros Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 09:53 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  ...

OK but the debt model is widespread in America, and an idiosyncratic part of US capitalism. Credit cards, homes, cars. No?

To focus on diversity bureaucrats is a little disingenuous. I hate it as much as you do. But bloat is omnipresent in universities, due to their expansion into property, sports, and so on.

Bloat comes from HR. HR is essentially a capitalistic managerial enterprise. They allow the owners (Goldman Sachs) to control and passify the serfs.

Property and sports create jobs and make universities money. HR is one of the many arms of central control characteristic of communist and communist lite (USA) governments. HR is all about control, threats and conformity to corporate culture, and has little to do with filtering out unqualified applicants.

Post: #46

(03-31-2018 04:55 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 01:56 AM)Super_Fire Wrote:  Well, apparently Millenials have the worst high school employment rate ever, so there's some truth to that. Aside from guys like us, Millenials have the worst work ethic in the history of mankind.

According to the (Obama) White House:

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/sit...report.pdf

Quote:Millennials, in particular, have been less likely to work while enrolled in high school. Since 2000, labor force participation rates among high school and college students have fallen more sharply than those who are not enrolled...The result is that more students are focused exclusively on their studies during school years.

Lazier high school students or fewer jobs available to high school students?

I haven't been back to the US in 5 years, but I'm not under the impression that supermarkets, Cinnabon, and country clubs are being staffed by illegal Hondurans. But I could be wrong.

Post: #47

(03-31-2018 05:26 PM)Laner Wrote:  Jobs that 16yo boys would traditionally do are being staffed by middle aged immigrant men.

We must live in very different parts of the country. I can't think of many employers around here who would hire an immigrant middle aged man over a native English speaking local boy for a starting position.

Most immigrants I see are working in meat packing or in manufacturing plants around here. I don't remember any 16 year olds getting those jobs 30 years ago either. The only people I see losing jobs in those cases are people aged 20+.

My first job was the dreaded minimum wage Walmart type of job. I don't see that position or any customer facing job flooded with middle aged immigrant men.

What type of traditional starting jobs that kids only got decades ago are you referring to?

Post: #48

(04-01-2018 09:42 PM)IvanDrago Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 05:26 PM)Laner Wrote:  Jobs that 16yo boys would traditionally do are being staffed by middle aged immigrant men.

We must live in very different parts of the country. I can't think of many employers around here who would hire an immigrant middle aged man over a native English speaking local boy for a starting position.

Most immigrants I see are working in meat packing or in manufacturing plants around here. I don't remember any 16 year olds getting those jobs 30 years ago either. The only people I see losing jobs in those cases are people aged 20+.

My first job was the dreaded minimum wage Walmart type of job. I don't see that position or any customer facing job flooded with middle aged immigrant men.

What type of traditional starting jobs that kids only got decades ago are you referring to?

I'll take a go at this:

My area is super nice and posh. We have a few of those "health" restaurants (serving acai bowls or whatever the latest fad is). They're staffed by immigrants from south of the border. All of them. Except for one that I guess cares about American workers or something, and surprise, all the staff there are high school kids.

Meat packing and manufacturing. Not sure if they hired 16y kids even way back in the day. Agreed with you on that one.

But service jobs...lots of them being taken by immigrants.

Second point:

I worked a shitty service job in college, working at the dining hall making $6.75/HR or something. Many of my Millennial friends didn't work at all. They got allowances for their parents.

That might be the other issue: I'll admit a good chunk of my generation got spoilt with cash. So that coulld explain why fewer millennials worked in HS/college.

Post: #49

(04-01-2018 10:33 PM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  I worked a shitty service job in college, working at the dining hall making $6.75/HR or something. Many of my Millennial friends didn't work at all. They got allowances for their parents.

That might be the other issue: I'll admit a good chunk of my generation got spoilt with cash. So that coulld explain why fewer millennials worked in HS/college.

I had a similar experience. I worked minimum wage for almost 4 years in high school unloading trucks that were 120 degree F in the summer, pushing carts inside in blizzards and wiping up shit and period blood from the bathrooms while my friends partied or played sports. Of course most would bitch about me having a few bucks in my pocket. I got really pissed about shit like that and it has stuck with me to this day.

The job sucked but it was the #1 thing that helped me land a real job after that. I showed that I was a productive and trustworthy person.

I have been in hiring positions in the past and the #1 thing I looked at was prior job experience. If a person jumped from place to place and never held a job for more than a few months, I would toss the application to the back of the pile. If the person was in their 20's and never held a job, I would toss it straight in the trash.

I find it hard to comprehend how some people's minds work if they are in their 20's, have barely held any employment and do nothing but point fingers and make excuses why they can't find a job.

There are plenty of starter jobs out there for everyone. If anyone who is unemployed with minimal work experience but thinks they are above working those types of jobs, please let us know the vast experiences and skills you can offer the world. Maybe someone can hook you up with something worthy of your presence.

Post: #50

Boomers were in a unique place in history, advances in technology had made life in the west comfortable and they had no great struggle. They didn't have to fight a Great War, survive a Great Depression, and their basics were basically taken care of. This comfortable lifestyle allowed them to become complacent because they were so comfortable and with that took for granted what things such as mass immigration and cultural degradation do to a society because it wasn't affecting their comfort. Now those things are making the west uncomfortable and the younger generations are the ones who will the effects of boomers complacency.