Post: #26

(02-21-2018 09:42 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 08:16 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  Stopped reading at

(02-20-2018 02:37 AM)Dragan Wrote:  Couple things, I'm on Instagram,

Instagram is an excellent passive and potentially active dating-tool when done well. It is far more useful than Facebook.

My IG account currently sits at 18.5k followers. It has only ever worked for me as a DHV and keeping old plates interested.
My MO is: I approach the girl, we chat, I number close. Text her later on, at some point during the text exchange I ask her if she has IG. When she says yes I give her my username and she suddenly becomes interested in meeting up again.
I have never successfully met and pulled a girl on IG. Maybe I'm doing it wrong.

Post: #27

(02-21-2018 11:05 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 09:42 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 08:16 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  Stopped reading at

(02-20-2018 02:37 AM)Dragan Wrote:  Couple things, I'm on Instagram,

Instagram is an excellent passive and potentially active dating-tool when done well. It is far more useful than Facebook.

My IG account currently sits at 18.5k followers. It has only ever worked for me as a DHV and keeping old plates interested.
My MO is: I approach the girl, we chat, I number close. Text her later on, at some point during the text exchange I ask her if she has IG. When she says yes I give her my username and she suddenly becomes interested in meeting up again.
I have never successfully met and pulled a girl on IG. Maybe I'm doing it wrong.

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It helps to become better at it, though it's not up to everyone's taste. For me Instagram is the only Social Media platform that has some actual use in terms of pussy attraction. Facebook is far too connected and Orwellian and I use it exclusively to keep in touch with family.

Post: #28

(02-21-2018 04:44 AM)droughtmeat Wrote:  OP literally just chose three bad girls. Of course those girls exist everywhere in the world, except maybe in places like north korea or north sentinel island.

You literally chose an 18 year old who is mentally ill...seriously?
This looks more like purely anecdotal evidence to me. But yea, still good to know that "even in EE" undesirable women exist.

I didn't choose any of these girls. I gave you three anecdotal examples of girls I was hanging out with, coincidently they're the first 3 that popped into my head, that is we were running in the same social circles because we had the same friends. And to be clear I would not date girl one if given the opportunity. Mental illness and drug issues are clear no-nos. Girl 2 sure i would, but she's an attention whore which i dislike immensely, but then again, as i point out here, most EE girls are becoming attention whores if they're not already. Girl 3 hell yeah I'd date, I don't know if she f*ed any dudes on vacations. But she gets the presumption of innocence right haha?

Maybe my deeper point here is that social media can be deceiving, thus you need to be alert whether they put stuff on their social media or not. If a girl is hooking up with a dude, there's likely to be no evidence of it on social media. What goes on social media, is just as important as what doesn't go on it. Very similar to a person with large gaps in their resume. You have to fill in the blanks, it's all right there in front of you.

Post: #29

(02-21-2018 08:16 AM)NomadofEU Wrote:  Stopped reading at

(02-20-2018 02:37 AM)Dragan Wrote:  Couple things, I'm on Instagram,

I think all men dislike the things that game demands us ti do: work out, be mysterious, having to literally take charge all the time, be clowns, cook like a professional chef, be an excellent conversationalist (like Seinfeld), because she can't carry a convo, tolerate cellphone attention whoring in public with these girls, etc.

I'm sure I'm hardly the only dude on Instagram on this forum. It yields far more utilizable intel than just asking a girl what she's doing, looking through facebook, twitter, or even having to banter for days on tinder. Girls willingly give up so much info about themselves on it. I don't like the fact I have to use it, but I also don't like the fact that I have to pay taxes... It's just a fact of live now. I only passively use it, and I rarely post photos because I'm travelling. That way girls know that I do what I want, and if I don't like the girls or the people, I leave and go somewhere else. Boomer-types my be like "SMH why are they using instagram, I love facebook." The utility of Instagram is going to be lost on them.

Post: #30

Can you elaborate on instagram? I don't use it but l do have a Facebook creeper account for recon purposes, that's saved me a lot of time on feeling out prospects so lm intrigued to know what info is useful on what is essentially a 'look at me' service catered to attention whoring

Post: #31

Three elements to insta. 1) Direct message. this is to send private messages to other users. This is how you flirt with a girl, but also, don't want to overuse it to stoke the girls ego. 2)Posts-These are what your friends see. If you're a girl, these are the things youre putting a high amount of effort into, to get attention from men. They're usually a photo or short video with some caption that you write up. Dudes that have one-itis for girls leave comments on these pots. 3)Stories- These are like posts, only last for 24hrs and disappear. A lot of stories are videos or photos. You can add filters to them, add drawing to them, or captions on the video/photo itself. Girls like to use these when they're going out, at a restaurant, listening to music, studying. They do a lot more of these than posts, but they're meant to be more spontenous. Since they're put up in real time, you see a lot of times where the girl is and what she's doing. There's a GPS feature on these, so a lot of times the girl posts the location she's at.

Seems like everyone on IG is under 30, so you may get a lot more utility out of it than facebook.

The posts that girls do, are usually like bigger moments for them so to speak. So a lot of posts are her at a really nice restaurant, her all dressed up for a night out, beach photos, vacation photos. That's where they rack up a lot of likes and comments, a lot of girls get 100+ likes for a post. Don't be decieived, they probably took 50 photos trying to get the perfect one, and then put it through photoshop or image editing software. These photos are not spontenous at all.

Girls are attention whores with instagram, so they try to get as many followers as possible, and may even pay for followers to try to get in the 1000+ count. They want to be instagram famous, so then it all starts to make sense to you.

Girls will quickly remove posts that aren't on the trajectory for the number of likes they want. This is pretty common among girls.

Post: #32

(02-20-2018 04:08 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Yes and no - girls' mentality gets impacted heavily by feminism, social media and online dating - also the opportunities of fucking foreigners.

But .... the gender ratios are still sane in EE. You will find many girls with busted dudes. You will also find hot girls in the 7-9 range aged 18-22 settling down with promising nerd-look-alikes and ugly shy boys.

So no - the sexual market in EE is not as bad ad in the West and it cannot become as bad so long as gender ratios are still as sane as in the 1980s in the West and poverty also makes girls focus on survival (and less on party fucking) much sooner - some as soon as 19 putting their eggs in the basket of a smart nerdy young man. That simply is much much rarer in the West.

If it were no different than in the West, then there would not be scores of Euro-jaunters and men trying to get laid here instead of the West. And you can find more sane traditional women as well.

Your description above are:

1. Mental case
2. Wannabe actress willing to suck every dong for fame
3. Instagram escort/sugarbabe

No shit, that those girls are mad. Try a local 19yo girl who has had 1-2 boyfriends and has a job as a part-time waitress.

They're all in university, and probably not as whorish as I described. You never know with f***in instagram. That's the problem. I operate from the mindset that all girls on IG are textbook narccists or low self-esteem. Would love to meet a girl not on instagram!

Post: #33

This is a good book on the subject, it's timely because the social media habits of eastern girls will follow what's already happened here. American girls: social media and the secret lives of teenagers, was an enlightening read: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/27/books...sales.html

on girls:
"For most of them, social media is a necessary evil. It’s an inextricable part of daily life — “Girls our age live on their phones,” one 16-year-old says — but also a source of anxiety and jealousy and a tool for harassment and abuse."

"boys her age “blackmail” girls for nude pictures: “They say, Oh, I have embarrassing pictures of you, if you don’t send nudes I’ll send them all out on social media.” If a girl relents, boys may share the nude picture with others, or post it to an Instagram account devoted to such images. Says Cassy, “Everyone winds up having it.”

On men and social media:
"College women complained that men their age had no interest in courtship or even basic politeness — “Tinder has destroyed their game.” And 20-something male Tinder aficionados made a variety of repellent comments suggesting women are disposable and interchangeable: “If you had a reservation somewhere and then a table at Per Se opened up, you’d want to go there,” one of them said."

I'm too lazy to open the book and pull quotes, but basically a lot of the book talks about Instagram, posing for photos, nude photos, gossip that happens as a result of social media, and how girls like are up all night on their phones, taking photos all the time, etc.

Really eye-opening book, and you start to notice the commonalities of all girls that have smart phones and social media.

Post: #34

God bless EE girls. If they are whores, then that should mean more girls for you to have fun with.

Western girls aren't even worth talking about.

Not sure what your gripe is.

Post: #35

(02-21-2018 09:09 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  God bless EE girls. If they are whores, then that should mean more girls for you to have fun with.

Western girls aren't even worth talking about.

Not sure what your gripe is.

i myself had the misconception that EE girls were not glued to their phones. I was proven wrong.

Post: #36

(02-21-2018 09:09 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  God bless EE girls. If they are whores, then that should mean more girls for you to have fun with.

Western girls aren't even worth talking about.

Not sure what your gripe is.

I knew Rocha would like this, ha

The Great Paradox of EE Women: we want them to be sweet, feminine, reserved, conservative creatures, virgins or near virgins, yet we also expect them to be easy as hell to have sex with?

The problem I have with "EE Whores" or "EE Sluts" is that they display whorish and slutty behavior, which is unpleasant and is not so different from the behavior traits of western sluts, the kind of personalities we were trying to escape.

Like the girls who stand just outside bars under the tent of night time outdoor seating at night in the main square smoking all night with a face that looks like they constantly have a piece of dog shit on their top lip.

Is there a happy medium between the two? Not exactly the most pleasant girls but just about tolerable, and easy enough to bang without fuss?

These are the same questions I asked myself in the US, and I know small towns and near places I grew up in so I can banter more with "tolerable sluts", but in FSU even if you know Russian the innate "I grew up here" familiarity is not there, so a lot of jokes fall flat, there isn't the automatic good energy etc. Though as time goes by the attitudes of even the best sluts are going down.

Post: #37

EE girls are like any other girls. Attitudes are the same or worst. Like anywhere there is good and bad girls, sluts and virgins, funny girls and boring girls, golddigger and frugal girls...All is there.

Advantadge in FSU number one (places like Poland not included because many dynamics are already similar to the west), is that a guy can have a perceived higher SMV than in the West.

Highest quality, or proportion of good looking and femenine women per capita, and better ratios (normally..not always, not everywhere) in venues than in the West.

Regarding nightgame. In the West, everyone, literally everyone goes out on a friday or saturday night, most of the big cities don't have enough venues for the quantity of people going out. Fucked up ratios, plenty of thirsty dudes. If you play it right in the west, and stand from that crowd, some results can be had too.

As for daygame, more good looking women, more chances of success in EE.

As for online, everyone, literally every single girl is on online dating apps in FSU. It is the best market for these apps.

Yeah, FSU or even EE women in general are lovely in my view, with all of their perks. And yeah, pulling one or even two points above the average a guy gets back home is doable. And yeah, I also agree that a faillure of a guy in the West will also be a faillure in EE.

Post: #38

fuck, I'm finding myself agreeing with Rocha's posts lately, what's the world coming to? Must be the thought of -20C awaiting for me in the morning

Post: #39

Aside from some basket case / biological imbalance, girls are simply a product of their environment, EE girls included.

Personally I find that a feminine and traditional French or Spanish girl is much better than an EE girl, unless you can speak her language. She will cook, clean, get jealous and capable of having semi-intelectual discussion with you including making fun of ugly feminists.

All the EE girls I know are extremely cold and unresponsive, even if they like you or have slept with you. Must be the cold climate or something. And the language barrier is tough.

Everything changes if you speak their language I assume. Since most of us don't, we tend to run into EE girls who speak English and are either the slutty/westernized ones or golddiggers.

Post: #40

Just want to point out this:

Non westernized -》not sinonymous with virgin

Westernized -》 not sinonymous with slut

Post: #41

The topic of this thread is about Western and EE/FSU girls becoming more similar, to the point where in the most important aspects of personality they won't be so different. Cold western attitude not much different from cold eastern attitude. Different in quality and nuances perhaps, but still cold nonetheless. If attitude is the same or worse than Western girls, that's one of the big two reasons in terms of girls, why we go there (better personalities, better looks). If they have shitty personalities like girls in the west, we are going entirely for their superior looks. (Aside from lower cost of living, higher perceived SMV in some places etc.) That's a pretty huge advantage of FSU erased right there. A lot of it due to smartphones, instagram etc. It's the number 1 reason in the following article by Roosh, the most popular article on his site: http://www.rooshv.com/10-reasons-why-het...ve-america

I agree that a relatively warm blooded french or spanish girl with more traditional values can be preferable to FSU girls who seem cold by comparison even if they have some warmth somewhere inside. They are a product of the often depressing environments they live in. Even basic courtesies like "please" "thank you" "excuse me" that are almost reflex in countries like England, forget that shit even in Poland.

Post: #42

I have to give some credit to Rocha, there is a paradox with EE women....

My point is, is that the Westernization is happening very fast... Having read this forum as a lurker for years, I thought it was all OK in the east, but I tell you, even in places like Macedonia, the Westernization is proceeding at breakneck pace, having only been in EE a few months ago.

Post: #43

They only want your MONEY... one said so to me.