Post: #1

Firstly props to El Mechanico for formulating an idea and then letting me start the same thread but aimed at members who would like to do something in Europe instead of the states. For an in depth read of the concept I recommend first reading his original thread. Thanks.

Ok to break it down simply: Anybody interested in opening a bar somewhere in Europe? I've been kicking the idea around for a few years and don't doubt there are others out there who are too.

The way I see it is we're all here to get high quality women. European beach resorts in the summer are full of high quality women. If a few of us like minded individuals could get together and invest a little money and some of the wealth of experience we each bring in different fields we could have our own bar up and running in time for Summer season 2013. It's my belief that the bar would result in instant access to untold numbers of women and a return on our investment which I would hope to keep as little as possible.

My initial thoughts are that places like Spain/Greece/Cyprus are played out competition wise and getting a decent location would require a large investment. I don't like the idea of laying down big money in something that could go belly up in one season. Therefore I think we should look East. Romania has a thriving black sea resort of Constanta. Anyone been? Bulgaria has summer beaches full of Russian girls and the cheapest property in Europe. Hungary has Lake Balaton,an inland sea that becomes party capitol in summer with Europeans driving from all over to get to it's beaches and outdoor discos. A friend of mine was in Albania last summer. It blew his mind. The coast there matches anything in Croatia apparently and it's only just being discovered. We could be one of the first in. Or for those who really want an adventure and doing it on the cheap I'll throw in the curve ball of Abkhazia at you. Sub tropical paradise,full of Russian girls in the summer,dirt cheap and I'd lay a wager we'd be the only foreign owned bar there. We'd clean up.

This is just the initial concept, I'll start researching the idea in more depth this week and try to work out costs,locations,laws,etc. In the mean time I just want to know if there is anybody who is interested by the idea of running a bar in Europe and if so please share your ideas and thoughts because I genuinely believe that if we can get a handful of people together who are committed to getting something up and running and have an adventurous spirit then we can do something we'll remember for ever.

Cheers.

Post: #2

I am in!

Post: #3

I've got $$$ I can invest... and often thought a bar/club would be an interesting idea.
Keep me informed on the results of the research you're doing and anticipated costs. I've never been to Europe - but am planning a trip in December - although I was thinking Spain, France, Germany - I could be very easily swayed to venture somewhere different instead to get things under way.

Post: #4

Vorkuta, great posts - you may well be the new top dog on this forum - congratulations. Going to Bishkek because Moldova is too tame? Right-fucking-on and well done! Moldova is indeed a shit-hole, but a shit-hole filled with some amazing women - I loved it. I was well-aware of Tiraspol, but I got sucked in by the locals and, as you said - the locals all said the place was shit. I will not make the same mistake in May when I return. I'm considering Georgia in June. Thoughts?

Albania? A bar? Brilliant! Stunning women, good food and wine, cheap as hell and great weather. I'd sure consider going in. Let the Russians have Montenegro and the rest of the Euro's Croatia.

Post: #5

(03-04-2012 06:32 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I am in!

Great,welcome on board. Feel free to post your ideas or what you want to do.

(03-04-2012 10:15 PM)mcr Wrote:  I've got $$$ I can invest... and often thought a bar/club would be an interesting idea.
Keep me informed on the results of the research you're doing and anticipated costs. I've never been to Europe - but am planning a trip in December - although I was thinking Spain, France, Germany - I could be very easily swayed to venture somewhere different instead to get things under way.

Good. This will be a democratic plan so I think once we have a few who confirm genuine interest we can debate the ideas of location etc. and see what people want to do. We may even find that we split into different groups wanting different things which is cool too. Try to have a look regarding the countries you mentioned. For example in Spain there are hundreds of bars for rent and some very cheaply too but there must be a reason why? Cote d'Azur is a place I know well but you need big $$$ if you want good location. Germany....never considered it but what about a Soviet themed place in East Berlin? See if you can find some places for rent on the net and let me know what you find out.

(03-05-2012 11:51 PM)LostGringo Wrote:  Vorkuta, great posts - you may well be the new top dog on this forum - congratulations. Going to Bishkek because Moldova is too tame? Right-fucking-on and well done! Moldova is indeed a shit-hole, but a shit-hole filled with some amazing women - I loved it. I was well-aware of Tiraspol, but I got sucked in by the locals and, as you said - the locals all said the place was shit. I will not make the same mistake in May when I return. I'm considering Georgia in June. Thoughts?

Albania? A bar? Brilliant! Stunning women, good food and wine, cheap as hell and great weather. I'd sure consider going in. Let the Russians have Montenegro and the rest of the Euro's Croatia.

LG thanks for the kind words. Glad to find a kindered spirit who takes pleasure in visiting shit holes! Make sure you check out Tiraspol next time,I think you'll have a good time there. Georgia: Never been myself but one of my mates spent a few months there and constantly goes on about what a great place it is. He reckons the women are stunners too. If you book your ticket I'll pump him for info regarding where to go etc. I think it's a great choice and certainly on my to do list.

Right,Albania....I think it's a bloody good choice. It's not often you get the chance to be in at the beginning of something and Albanian tourism looks set to take off in a big way ( already discovered by Italians ) once the world economy picks up.

An idea I'll throw out there: what about getting a concession off the local council ( or rent a farmers bit of land next to a beach ) to pitch a fucking big yurt or teepee on an undeveloped beach ( there are loads that I'm sure the gov. want to develop ) and turn it into a bar/disco. We could buy a few sit on top kayaks and rent them out too. Maybe 4 or 5 little yurts we could rent out to backpackers to stay in. We'd have plenty of women coming to stay or drink in the bar/disco and of course we'd know a few secluded coves where we could take them kayaking and snorkeling in the daytime. It would lead to a lot of fun : ) Say 10,000 Euro total investment between 3 or 4 of us. Do that for a couple of summer seasons see how we go. We'd have to take a scouting trip down there this year to explore locations etc. What's the worst that can happen? We each lose 2500 Euro. But we would have banged a lot of women and had a blinding adventure. Also you never know where it would lead in terms of other opportunities down that way.

Post: #6

Bulgaria is also the most corrupt place in europe.

You have to either be mafia or pay off mafia to have a bar there

Steer clear

Post: #7

(03-06-2012 12:42 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  Bulgaria is also the most corrupt place in europe.

You have to either be mafia or pay off mafia to have a bar there

Steer clear

Why steer clear? Corruption just let's you cut out red tape. The people worse off in a corrupt state are the people with no money. If you have $ then corruption can be wonderful. The mafia might be another proposition entirely however.

Post: #8

Had any ideas for names? If you open a coastal bar then it would certainly have to be Lizards on the Rock surely?

Anyway I don't have a lot of money to invest in something like this but I'd certainly come visit.

Post: #9

This is an interesting idea...I'll follow it carefully. If you guys go ahead with this idea, let me/us know of the location, I'll definitely check it out and if I like the place, I wouldn't mind considering to invest in something like this. Albania is a great suggestion! How about Malta? Anyone has the run down of this place? Read some interesting articles on it...

Post: #10

Again.

Someone needs to "general" this thing and set it up.

Lock, Stock.

If you do that, people will bring the dough.

Build it they will come.

Post: #11

I am sure due to the Greece crisis there would be some bars/nightclubs for sale on a greek island for cheap.
Years ago a friend told me of a great story about some greek man complaining about his business (restaurant), apparently he was fed up of the tourists and the same bs every year. He claimed he would sell it if he got the right offer, a Australian called his bluff and bought the business off him for a song.

My first thought would be Bulgaria, the price of real estate is dirt cheap. I would just be nervous about the mafia/gangster types that my extort money from you in those countries (Bulgaria/Albania).

Lake Balaton caught my attention, I have been to Hungary a few times and I am well aware of this spot. Trouble is it might attract too many germans/austrians for my liking.

Post: #12

(03-06-2012 08:22 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  Again.

Someone needs to "general" this thing and set it up.

Lock, Stock.

If you do that, people will bring the dough.

Build it they will come.

It is being worked on. It is just a slow process, given that everyone here has jobs and none of us have really met in person.

A good business is not worked out overnight, especially given these circumstances. I really do hope this does work out though, even If I am just a small fry in the planning process.

Post: #13

This idea that owning a bar will bring you automatic pussy,
Has it been tried and tested?

Anybody got any bartending experience to verify?

Seems like a lot of effort if you don't know what your doing.

Post: #14

All right guys, here is some first hand experience from Bulgaria. First time I went there after a long absence was 2003, I think. I stopped to have a beer at this beach bar near the village of Primorsko and when I saw the male-to-female ratio I took this picture with my phone because I had never seen such a ratio. In fact, when the males are zero, you cannot even compute a ratio mathematically:


This is the location:


I wanted to buy the place right there. It's just a little hut but at night time it had a DJ and several couches and brought a good crowd dancing on those wood planks.
So I asked around how things work there. Granted, they may have changed a lot by now, but what I heard back then discouraged me.
Here is how the local system worked: someone gets a long-term lease on a whole stretch of beach from the government. It's cheap, but not any Joe Schmoe can go and bid. You have to be pre-approved by showing experience in beach management, you have to have equipment for cleaning, set up medical booths, lifeguard posts, etc. In return, you are allowed to build up 10% or so of the beach area with bars, shops, etc. You then rent these out to people who want to run them. The rent on these places ran around EUR 5k-10k for a season but in addition you had to pay cleaning fees, you had to pay for "security" and other bullshit - of course the security is provided by the same guys who lease the beach.

90% of these place fail to turn into consistent money-making ventures. When you go in a few years, the bar is still there but it's run by a new guy. The old guy lost his shirt and closed down, but apparently the world never runs out of new guys aspiring to the lifestyle of beach bar owners.

When you say real estate is cheap there, remember that alcohol is also cheap there. You will be charging 1 EUR for a beer. You can't charge 5 EUR, this is not France or Spain. For import liquor you charge somewhat more, but still it's not a get-rich-quick thing. Those who get rich buy local alcohol sold by the barrel - you can get scotch flavor, bacardi flavor, and so on - fill it in import bottles, and resell it for 3 EUR the shot. Stuff costs 3 EUR per liter probably. Then you can make some $, but when the health inspectors come you better be prepared to shell out.

I have since spent quite a few summers at the beach, met some guys who run places like these, and also surf shops, clothes shops, stuff like that - none of them are rich. The rich guys are those who lease the beach.

I can't imagine it's much different in Albania, which is considered even more back-water than Bulgaria (the poorest country in the EU, but still in the EU).

If you want to run beach game and spend a summer there, just go and spend a summer there. Don't get into a business you don't understand. Just my 2c. Good luck to all!

Post: #15

(03-05-2012 11:51 PM)LostGringo Wrote:  Vorkuta, great posts - you may well be the new top dog on this forum - congratulations. Going to Bishkek because Moldova is too tame? Right-fucking-on and well done! Moldova is indeed a shit-hole, but a shit-hole filled with some amazing women - I loved it. I was well-aware of Tiraspol, but I got sucked in by the locals and, as you said - the locals all said the place was shit. I will not make the same mistake in May when I return. I'm considering Georgia in June. Thoughts?

Albania? A bar? Brilliant! Stunning women, good food and wine, cheap as hell and great weather. I'd sure consider going in. Let the Russians have Montenegro and the rest of the Euro's Croatia.

PM me if you hit Georgia. I've got an "in" there.

Post: #16

(03-07-2012 03:34 AM)K-man Wrote:  I wanted to buy the place right there. It's just a little hut but at night time it had a DJ and several couches and brought a good crowd dancing on those wood planks.
So I asked around how things work there. Granted, they may have changed a lot by now, but what I heard back then discouraged me.
Here is how the local system worked: someone gets a long-term lease on a whole stretch of beach from the government. It's cheap, but not any Joe Schmoe can go and bid. You have to be pre-approved by showing experience in beach management, you have to have equipment for cleaning, set up medical booths, lifeguard posts, etc. In return, you are allowed to build up 10% or so of the beach area with bars, shops, etc. You then rent these out to people who want to run them. The rent on these places ran around EUR 5k-10k for a season but in addition you had to pay cleaning fees, you had to pay for "security" and other bullshit - of course the security is provided by the same guys who lease the beach.

90% of these place fail to turn into consistent money-making ventures. When you go in a few years, the bar is still there but it's run by a new guy. The old guy lost his shirt and closed down, but apparently the world never runs out of new guys aspiring to the lifestyle of beach bar owners.

When you say real estate is cheap there, remember that alcohol is also cheap there. You will be charging 1 EUR for a beer. You can't charge 5 EUR, this is not France or Spain. For import liquor you charge somewhat more, but still it's not a get-rich-quick thing. Those who get rich buy local alcohol sold by the barrel - you can get scotch flavor, bacardi flavor, and so on - fill it in import bottles, and resell it for 3 EUR the shot. Stuff costs 3 EUR per liter probably. Then you can make some $, but when the health inspectors come you better be prepared to shell out.

I have since spent quite a few summers at the beach, met some guys who run places like these, and also surf shops, clothes shops, stuff like that - none of them are rich. The rich guys are those who lease the beach.

I can't imagine it's much different in Albania, which is considered even more back-water than Bulgaria (the poorest country in the EU, but still in the EU).

If you want to run beach game and spend a summer there, just go and spend a summer there. Don't get into a business you don't understand. Just my 2c. Good luck to all!

Cheers for the contribution K-Man,lot of great info in there.

I think that inevitably there are different people looking for different things with the idea. For me my priorities are adventure and women and a chilled lifestyle for the summer. Making a lot of money is not my priority,at all and if it was then a bar would not be the way I would go about it.

Post: #17

What about just renting 3-4 bedroom house on the beach? Advertise on airbnb, and couchsurfing to bring in the poon. Tell the local gals you live there, and work in the shipping industry. Members of the forum could pay for the time they stay there.

Post: #18

Im into the other one but no sense in not getting in on this one as well, im not in Europe but cant see that being a prereq, im no expert on Europe so you guys know the hotspots I got money to put in. Id love to see it tied into the original idea and a simultaneous beta bar open but 2 different sets of people could be tough to make happen. That picture k man put up has me agreeing about Bulgaria lol but the greek idea is probably the most potentially profitable. Bulgaria could be a haven for hotties but if youre not getting tourists coming in or locals who can afford to be out drinkin then youre asking to be outta biz quick and if the mafia thing is an issue who wants to get tied up into that. My priorities at the minimum are that it carry itself and provide some fun times and beautiful women but if you're we're not looking at it as a potential money maker we're asking to fail. If you get complacent and stay happy just getting by eventually that kind of thinking ends up killing your biz. Fun should be a fall back position the goal should be lets turn this into the next big tourist trap, hooters, senor frogs...then its not a summer of fun its a lifetime of it. I wouldnt invest anything but fun money in this as I agree a bars not a smart investment but if its just a small gamble why not aim big, its a penny stock lets hit it.

Post: #19

(03-07-2012 07:21 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  What about just renting 3-4 bedroom house on the beach? Advertise on airbnb, and couchsurfing to bring in the poon. Tell the local gals you live there, and work in the shipping industry. Members of the forum could pay for the time they stay there.

Nice. I would think if there were 3 or 4 of like minded guys living together and who were committed to going out every day and night for a month in a resort you would bang an incredible amount of women. I know a group of lads who go to Ibiza each year for three weeks they bang so many women in that time it's unreal.

Post: #20

(03-07-2012 07:25 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  Im into the other one but no sense in not getting in on this one as well, im not in Europe but cant see that being a prereq, im no expert on Europe so you guys know the hotspots I got money to put in. Id love to see it tied into the original idea and a simultaneous beta bar open but 2 different sets of people could be tough to make happen. That picture k man put up has me agreeing about Bulgaria lol but the greek idea is probably the most potentially profitable. Bulgaria could be a haven for hotties but if youre not getting tourists coming in or locals who can afford to be out drinkin then youre asking to be outta biz quick and if the mafia thing is an issue who wants to get tied up into that. My priorities at the minimum are that it carry itself and provide some fun times and beautiful women but if you're we're not looking at it as a potential money maker we're asking to fail. If you get complacent and stay happy just getting by eventually that kind of thinking ends up killing your biz. Fun should be a fall back position the goal should be lets turn this into the next big tourist trap, hooters, senor frogs...then its not a summer of fun its a lifetime of it. I wouldnt invest anything but fun money in this as I agree a bars not a smart investment but if its just a small gamble why not aim big, its a penny stock lets hit it.

You make a lot of good points. I agree totally that the bar must pay for itself at the bare minimum,making a loss is not an option. I think it might be easier to see how much capitol we can raise between us and then that will help decide what and where we can do something.

Post: #21

The absolute pussy trap as a call it here would be a yacht to rent or buy.With this we could be able to move to any Greek island and all hotspots of Mediterranean on wish.There is not one girl who is not tempted by the possibility of a yacht cruise in Mediterranean.We could easily get 5-10 slavic girls constantly naked on boat and ready to satisfy every desire.However one needs a captain at least or two guys with boat driving diploma.

Post: #22

(03-07-2012 08:49 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  The absolute pussy trap as a call it here would be a yacht to rent or buy.With this we could be able to move to any Greek island and all hotspots of Mediterranean on wish.There is not one girl who is not tempted by the possibility of a yacht cruise in Mediterranean.We could easily get 5-10 slavic girls constantly naked on boat and ready to satisfy every desire.However one needs a captain at least or two guys with boat driving diploma.

The dream lifestyle. You can buy yachts for under 20,000 Euro if you just want a more basic model. http://www.theyachtmarket.com/boatimages...id=&page=#

Two guys,two girls,a whole lot of fun.

Post: #23

Or this for 40,000 Euro.

http://www.theyachtmarket.com/boats_for_sale/268066/

4 guys each chip in 10,000. 4 guys,4 girls,a whole lot more fun!

Post: #24

The boat could be rent as a fuckboat to other forum members.For example one could pay 500 euro and bring one or two girls to the boat for a week.I had found about 10 Czech and Slovak women who promised me to be steadily naked and available if I rent a boat for them.For sure you can invite 5 or more Ukrainian women or some Russian they view it as extreme pleasure it is the best kind of vacation when you are free to visit any small island you want and you can tan and swim all day in Mediterranean.Many girls are also prone to swim naked if other tourists do not see them this will be granted.

Post: #25

I am in on this for sure.

Another way to make cash on the beach is to buy some jet-skis and rent them out by the hour. You can hire locals on the cheap to maintain the jet skis and do guided tours for tourists. Plus you can ride jet-skis all day which is awesome. Chicks dig jet-skis.